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Title: Why I Cannot Support Concealed Carry Weapons Permits (And Why You Shouldn’t Either!)
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URL Source: http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-ne ... y-you-shouldnt-either_01162014
Published: Jan 17, 2014
Author: Mac Slavo
Post Date: 2014-01-17 19:11:12 by James Deffenbach
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John Filippidis is a Concealed and Carry Weapons permit holder, which means he can carry his firearm on his person or in his car legally. He followed all applicable laws in the State of Florida to obtain his permit, and has been a lawful citizen since being “given the right” to retain a firearm when in public. Recently he was driving through the State of Maryland on a family vacation when he was stopped, for no apparent reason, by a law enforcement officer who had trailed his car for at least ten minutes. According to his family, this is how the stop went down: The officer was from the Transportation Authority Police. He asked Filippidis for his license and registration. Around ten minutes later, he returned and asked John to exit his vehicle. “You own a gun,” the officer says. “Where is it?” Filippidis told the officer his gun was at home in his safe. Apparently the officer didn’t believe Filippidis, because he began questioning his wife, Kally, next: “Your husband owns a gun. Where is it?” First Kally said, “I don’t know.” Retelling it later to the Tampa Tribune, she said, “And that’s all I should have said.” Instead, attempting to be helpful, she added, “Maybe in the glove [box]. Maybe in the console. I’m scared of it. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. I might shoot right through my foot.” That’s when things escalated. The officer confronted Filippidis: “You’re a liar. You’re lying to me. Your family says you have it. Where is the gun? Tell me where it is and we can resolve this right now.” Of course a gun could not be produced, since it was home in Filippidis’ safe. Because Mrs. Filippidis told a different story than her husband, the officer said he had probable cause to search the vehicle. And he did just that. He called for backup and they literally took the vehicle apart in an effort to find the weapon the Mr. Filippidis left in his safe back at home in Florida. The gun, of course, was never found. After 90 minutes of having their personal property violated, the Filippidis family was released without charge or citation. Since Mr. Filippidis was driving according to all traffic laws, there was absolutely no reason to pull him over. And this is where our problem starts. Why did he get pulled over in the first place? It turns out that when you register your weapon as a CCW holder you get flagged and tagged in the system. And, apparently this crosses over state lines, because the Transportation Authority Officer who pulled Mr. Filippidis over did so because he suspected there was a firearm in the car. That’s it – there was no probable cause of wrong doing and no other possible reason this car should have been pulled over. Remember that whole ridiculous argument about registration of guns eventually leading to confiscation like it has in so many other countries in the past? Turns out there may we be something to that. Mr. Filippidis and his family were, by all accounts, considered and treated criminals for legally owning a firearm, even though that firearm was not in their possession. The chief of TAP has apologized to the Filippidis family, but no action has been taken against the officer that, in no uncertain terms, illegally detained and violated the rights of this family and did so at gunpoint. As noted by Karl Denninger at The Market Ticker, this illegal stop highlights the key problem with CCW permits and gun registration initiatives in general, and he argues why such registration requirements need to be repealed. Denninger: Why I Cannot Support CCW Permits There is only one solution to this problem folks — it’s none of the government’s damned business if you’re carrying a weapon or not. It’s none of the government’s damned business right up until you do something unlawful with it, at which point it becomes both reasonable and appropriate to search, arrest, charge, whatever — for the unlawful act. But the bottom line here is that the fact that this individual registered his ownership and intent to carry for personal protection of himself and his family in the places where it is lawful to do so with the government meant that he was unlawfully stopped, detained and searched by a ****head who has faced no penalty for the violation of his Constitutional right to be left alone absent evidence of, or probable cause to suspect, actual unlawful activity. The only solution to this is Constitutional Carry. That is, you have the right under the 2nd Amendment to carry, either openly or concealed, a firearm without applying for any sort of permit or asking for permission from the government first. It is only if and when you commit a crime with a weapon present and in some way related to the offense that the government gains the ability to intervene in yourpersonal decision to not be a victim and protect both yourself and others near you, most-particularly your family. There is no means to solve this problem any other way, as despite whatever sanctions Florida may apply to its peace officers for abusive acts of this sort the very act of registration exposes you to abuses by other political subdivisions in the United States. Therefore, the only means of stopping this crap is in fact to get rid of any such requirement of registration — period. We’ll repeat that again in case you missed it: The only solution to this is Constitutional Carry. Can we all agree that a criminal who intends to do harm to others will never register their firearm? They will be carrying concealed regardless of the laws of the state in which they reside. So, if the intent of these CCW laws is to prevent gun crimes instigated by gangs and others, then it is a total failure. What these laws do in actuality is restrict the ability of law abiding citizens to own self defense weapons and, as the case in Maryland shows, to track those citizens across the country. Of course, the government would never overstep its bounds like these peace officer in Maryland did. That was just an isolated incident, right? They’ll have us believe that officials having knowledge of every gun owner in their state, city or neighborhood poses no danger to the freedom of American citizens. Perhaps today it doesn’t (unless of course you’re John Filippidis on a family vacation). But consider what will happen should more restrictive legislation be passed – or if the President of the United States signs an Executive Order outlawing the ownership of certain types of firearms or their accessories. It should be crystal clear: Gun registration in any form, even CCW Concealed Carry Weapons permits, pose an immediate and distinct danger to the liberty of the American people. Please Spread The Word And Share This Post
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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
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Do you recall the movie, "Red Dawn"? When the commies paratroop into the Colrado town, the first order the Commander gives to the subordinate is, "Go to all sporting goods stores and obtain Forms 4473. This will give us the location of all privately owned firearms." Tjhe liberals went berserk over this, of course. The gun owners used this as a ploy to keep the lid on firearms ownership records. It is all a game, and Obama wants the U.N. to control our guns. The lid is off the pot and it is boiling furiously. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I always suspected that was the case. Purchasing weapons or accessories with a credit card has always been a no no for me as well. It's possible that hunting licenses, insurance policies and even declaring the presence of firearms on a list of possessions being transported by a moving company could allend up in a confiscation data base. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
“Your husband owns a gun. Where is it?” First Kally said, “I don’t know.” Retelling it later to the Tampa Tribune, she said, “And that’s all I should have said.” Instead, attempting to be helpful, she added, “Maybe in the glove [box]. Maybe in the console. I’m scared of it. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. I might shoot right through my foot.” Notice how his wife threw her husband under the bus. She crumpled like a cheap beer can at the sight of a badge and gun. Remember that whole ridiculous argument about registration of guns eventually leading to confiscation like it has in so many other countries in the past?
#2. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Gun registration in any form, even CCW Concealed Carry Weapons permits, pose an immediate and distinct danger to the liberty of the American people.
#3. To: Buzzard, Texans, shooters, 4 (#2)
#4. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
he began questioning his wife, Kally, next:
-Alex Kurtagic
#5. To: James Deffenbach (#0) (Edited)
Back in the days of the old West, open carried was required. A real man carried a pistol, and on the open range a rifle as well. Back when I lived in Chicago, I was making cosmetics deliveries for a woman in the neighborhood. She had a purple fluid that would take the kinks out of the blacks hair. I would deliver it by the gallon to the beauty shops on the South Side. She told me, "Don't take any checks from those people." By the time I was done with the deliveries, I had between $500 qnd $800 in cash on me, and I ALWAYS carried a pistol. Never had any trouuble except once making a right turn on the southeast side, there was a blast from my left rear. I floored it and got out of there. I checked the door later and there were a few BB marks on it. Must hae been a small gauge shotgun that they used. No other damage. ;) The only solution to this is Constitutional Carry. That is, you have the right under the 2nd Amendment to carry, either openly or concealed, a firearm without applying for any sort of permit or asking for permission from the government first.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#6. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#0)
Filippidis told the officer his gun was at home in his safe. This is where Filippidis rolls off the rails. He should be asking the questions, not answering them. Never, ever speak to officers beyond giving them your name, DL, reg, etc. If that makes them unhappy, let them arrest you. Upon release, get a lawyer and sue. Simple stuff. “You own a gun,” the officer says. “Where is it?”
#7. To: X-15 (#4)
Don't judge. She may have been questioned separately, without knowing her husband already told them the gun was at home. Notice how his wife threw her husband under the bus.
#8. To: X-15 (#4)
Indeed... The problem lies in hiring people that want to wear a big badge, carry a cannon on their hip and they know...everyone they meet is a criminal... Anyone that wants to be a cop should not be hired. The injustice system is just that, populated top to bottom by mostly people that know they are above the law. Notice how his wife threw her husband under the bus. She crumpled like a cheap beer can at the sight of a badge and gun.
#9. To: BTP Holdings (#1)
Yes, I do indeed remember it. Pretty good movie but I thought at the time, and still think now (even more now) that we have more to fear from our own government than we have from any outsiders, whether the outsiders be other governments or "terrorists." Most Americans are far more likely to be killed by some out of control government agent with a God complex than he is by any terrorist. Do you recall the movie, "Red Dawn"?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#10. To: Buzzard (#2)
All weapons purchases should be done in cash as much as possible. Purchasing weapons or accessories with a credit card has always been a no no for me as well.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#11. To: X-15 (#4)
Yeah, they both said too much. If he had merely given the mall cop his dl, registration and proof of insurance and not answered any questions he would have been on his way in no time, or should have been. Notice how his wife threw her husband under the bus. She crumpled like a cheap beer can at the sight of a badge and gun.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#12. To: BTP Holdings (#5)
Good idea. Don't take checks from sketchy people and carry a pistol if you carry much cash. She told me, "Don't take any checks from those people." By the time I was done with the deliveries, I had between $500 qnd $800 in cash on me, and I ALWAYS carried a pistol.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
Indeed, couldn't agree more. This is where Filippidis rolls off the rails. He should be asking the questions, not answering them. Never, ever speak to officers beyond giving them your name, DL, reg, etc. If that makes them unhappy, let them arrest you. Upon release, get a lawyer and sue. Simple stuff.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#14. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
There must be more to this than crazy "paranoid" cops. Their elected officials probably intimaate if you guys want more pay you'll have to bring in more fines.
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