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Resistance See other Resistance Articles Title: The Reason Why There Will Be a Second American Civil War: “American Citizens are Soon to Become an Endangered Species” Anyone knows, who has half of an eye open, that American citizens are soon to become an endangered species under our present lunatic President. Everyone should know that all of our constitutional protections against an out-of-control globalist puppet regime are melting away right before our very eyes. Everyone knows that Obama, under the NDAA, has the legal authority to “disappear” all political opponents without so much as a trace. Everyone knows that American economy was driven over the fiscal cliff in 2008 when Congress permitted the bankers to plunder our tax revenues and, today, we are just waiting for the official eulogy that the American economy is dead and the real “hunger games” are about to commence. Everyone knows that when the Obama puppet masters in the Federal Reserve are done plundering what is left of our pensions, our social security, our private property and our 401k’s, that the economy will be collapsed once and for all. And then, what will the American people do? They will do what any generation of Americans would do, they will take to the streets in an attempt to rid themselves of the corrupt banker controlled government which has ruined this country. Sadly, this last ditch desperate attempt at regaining our lost liberties will not have a happy ending. Picture, if you will, the veterans groups marching on Washington DC. Imagine bus loads of citizens following the veterans groups which will demand an end to a tyrannical government. Obama will make a formal declaration of martial law. Americans, desperate for food, water and the means to make a living will seek open confrontations with the present administration and this will commence the darkest days in American, and perhaps, even world history. As an aside, this is why Operation American Spring is a bad idea. Will American Troops Carry Out Genocidal Orders? Will American troops follow the genocidal orders surely to be delivered by Obama? Will they begin to secretly arrest perceived dissidents? Will the military follow orders to shoot to kill American citizens who will be desperately looking for their next meal? With FEMA’s performance following Hurricanes Katrina and Sandy, will there even be a next meal? Don’t hold your breath. When the irresistible force meets the immovable object, what will happen? Will American troops fire, when ordered, upon their American brothers and sisters? There are two possible answers to this question. First, it is a known fact that the military is programmed in boot camp to follow orders like a bunch of Pavlovian conditioned dogs who are well trained in the art of unquestionably carrying out the orders of their superiors without hesitation. From a military training perspective, there can be little doubt that American soldiers will not only fire upon American protesters, but most will do so without the slightest amount of hesitation or conscience. However, the field of psychology provides an even more accurate view of why we can expect the American military to do in the coming desperate times. Not only will our military fire upon us, their fellow citizens, but they will also willingly participate in the round up of dissidents, and the extermination of these dissidents in what has become known FEMA Camps, which will surely accompany the coming martial law. NORTHCOM has been training for this since the 1990?s. Before I address the psychological reasons on why the coming American genocide is almost upon us and it will receive the enthusiastic support from active duty military personnel, let’s examine the fiction set forth by a group known as Oath Keepers. Some our citizens are deluded into a false sense of security by the group known as Oath Keepers. It is a well-intentioned effort to remind both law enforcement and the military to uphold the Constitution and to disobey unlawful orders which would bring harm to American citizens. Under the this false sense of security, many in the American public really believe that American troops will not fire upon American citizens. Unfortunately, the field of psychology demonstrates why only a minority of soldiers will actually resist committing atrocities against the American people. Group Think The world of psychological research provides the definitive answer to whether we should fear our military in the coming storm ahead in the form of a phenomenon called group think. Group think is often described as a decision-making process whereby the group members go along with what they believe is the consensus. Group think has also been used to describe individual acquiescence to authority even when the authority has limited power to enforce compliance. Group think often causes groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside, for fear of upsetting the group’s leadership and balance. Just how far will people go to please authority figures and subsequently do what they know to be immoral? The first known laboratory test for groupthink occurred in 1963 by Yale professor, Stanley Milgram. Subjects for this landmark study were recruited for the Yale study through newspaper ads and direct mail. The participants were men between the ages of 20 and 50, from all educational backgrounds, ranging from an elementary school dropout to participants with doctoral degrees. milgram-300x217Milgram wanted to determine what percentage of people would willingly administer enough progressive electric shocks which would result in death simply based on the orders of a perceived authority figure (i.e., the experimenter). There were three participants in the experiment: 1. The Teacher was the real subject in the experiment. Their role was to administer shocks for each wrong answer provided by the learner. How far would they go, was the true subject of the experiment. Would they actually kill a person for failing to provide the correct answer on a word pair test? Would they mindlessly follow the orders of the experimenter to continue with the abuse, regardless of the results and obvious harm being perpetrated upon the pretend victim in the experiment? 2. The second participant, the Learner, was actually a plant in the experiment. The Learner would sit in an adjacent room and pretend to be shocked for each wrong answer that they would purposely give. Eventually, they would cry out for help and beg the Teacher to stop administering the electric shocks. Their cries included pleas of mercy that were often based on an unknown level of self-expressed cardiac distress that they were pretending to experience. 3. The Experimenter was a stern looking fellow who carried a clipboard, wore a lab coat, and would urge the Teacher to continue regardless of the make believe pleas of the Learner. The “Teachers” were told by the experimenter that they would be participating in an experiment to test the effects of punishment on learning. However, as has already been stated, this was not the goal of the experiment. The “Teacher” was given a list of word pairs which was used to teach the Learner. The Learner was actually a confederate, or a plant, in the experiment. The Teacher would then read the first word of each pair and read four possible answers. The Learner would deliberately press the wrong button to indicate his response. Since the answer was incorrect, the Learner would receive an electric shock, with the voltage progressively increasing with each wrong answer. Therefore, the subjects believed that for each wrong answer, the Learner was receiving an ever increasing level of actual shocks which would eventually result in death. In reality, there were no shocks. After the confederate (i.e., Learner) was separated from the subject, the confederate set up a tape recorder integrated with the electro-shock generator, which played pre-recorded sounds of pain and distress for each successive level of shock. After a number of voltage level increases, the Learner would bang on the wall which divided him from the subject (teacher). After several instances of banging on the wall and complaining about his heart condition, the learner provided no further responses to questions and no further complaints. The fate of the Learner was left to the imagination of the teacher. The silence was met with the command to continue with the experiment. Although the Learner was not being harmed, the Teacher believed that they were administering progressively dangerous shocks. From the instrumentation panel, the Teacher could clearly see that their shocks were approaching the level of lethality. Was the Teacher being forced to capitulate and continue with the experiment? Quite the contrary was true, the prompts to continue administering shock were encouraged by minimal prompts and absolutely no threats were offered by the Experimenter. If at any time the subject hesitated or expressed a desire to discontinue the experiment, the subject was given a planned and verbatim succession of verbal prompts by the experimenter: 1. “Please continue.” 2. “The experiment requires that you continue.” 3. “It is absolutely essential that you continue. ” 4. “You have no other choice, you must go on.” If the Teacher still wished to stop after having listened to four successive verbal prompts, the experiment was discontinued. Otherwise, the experiment was terminated after the subject had administered the lethal 450-volt shock three times in succession. Milgram expected that less than one percent would actually administer a fatal electric shock. The actual results were so stunning that he decided to film the results on the final day, fearing that nobody would believe his results. And what were the results? Despite expressing some measure of discomfort and the minimal use pressure, in Milgram’s first set of experiments, 65% (26 out of 40) of the subjects administered the experiment’s final and hypothetically fatal 450-volt shock. Amazingly, no participant steadfastly refused to give further shocks before the 300-volt level! Milgram’s results were confirmed when Dr. Thomas Blass performed a meta-analysis on the results of repeated performances of the experiment. Blass found that the percentage of participants who were willing to administer fatal voltages remains remarkably constant, between 61% and 66%. The results of Milgram’s and Blass’ work are stunning in their final conclusion which demonstrated that almost two-thirds of all Americans will mindlessly follow the commands of a “perceived” authority figure even when the authority figure has no real power over the people. Is this why our military continues to serve a despot who does not hesitate to throw away their lives or anyone else under his charge such as Ambassador Stevens? To achieve political success, every authoritarian regime requires a high level of voluntary cooperation (i.e., group think) from its citizenry. Cooperation can be coerced as many times, in dictatorial regimes, cooperation is obtained as a result of extreme intimidation by carrying out a relatively small number of exceptionally harsh punishments in order to serve as a warning to the masses. However, there are not enough police, inspectors, auditors, etc. to control a populace in which the majority would fail to comply with the status quo. Then why do we continue to follow leaders who have abandoned the Constitution and the welfare of our people long ago? Is America a prisoner to the group think phenomena? What about gross ignorance as a contributor to America’s capitulation to such bad leadership? Can anything be done? Now that we have had the confirmation of FEMA Camps, are you concerned about the propensity for the American people to follow directions right to the planned extermination of Americans as planned by the globalists? fema-camp-prisoners2 Conclusion I wholeheartedly support and applaud the efforts of the Oath Keepers and for some military personnel, Oath Keepers will make some difference, and thank God, because they are one of our last lines of defense. However, when one considers the conditioned response training of the military and the propensity for even nonmilitary personnel to blindly follow orders, through the process of group think, I think Oath Keepers may only be able to exert a minimal effect on the overall outcome as it pertains to the American troops committing genocide against the American people. In addition to the brainwashing of boot camp, our soldiers are getting years of indoctrination with regard to the killing of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are getting years of practice, through multiple tours of duty, on how to confiscate guns and how to conduct civilian roundups. When the troops begin to be withdrawn from Afghanistan, the American people should become very worried. The number of troops which will not obey the heinous order can fixed at between 35-40% based upon the work of Blass and Milgram. If you are a member of the military and reading these words, you may no doubt become angry that about two-thirds of the military will not stand down. Although it is true that you may not obey an unlawful order to fire upon American citizens, the soldier on your left and the one are your right will obey that order. There is an unspoken message, heretofore, in this post. No military can operate with a dissension rate of 35-40%. This kind of widespread dissension can only spell one outcome, civil war! Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
#1. To: Horse, Christine, Jethro Tull, Lod, X-15 (#0)
Yes, they will.
With the low-income, low-IQ, mouth-breathers now serving; I can't disagree. However, with the 200M gun owners here, they may be met with serious resistance should they go to the "wrong" doors. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
MacArthur, Patton and Eisenhower were there.
I would like to point out again that America wasn't founded on the CONstitution, a religious trust, and not Christian, nor were most of us the "People" or the "Posterity" spoken of in the Preamble (confirmed by Psalm 2:1-3/ www.apfn.org/apfn/queen.htm ). America was founded on Christ: http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ : Psalm 2:6 ( http://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/2.htm ) and Blessed are they who TRUST IN HIM, verse 12. Everyone is being forced to choose sides between Christ and that which is antichrist (Ezekiel 20:33-44 : http://biblehub.com/kjv/ezekiel/20.htm / http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-29.htm ). Everyone knows that American economy was driven over the fiscal cliff in 2008 when Congress permitted the bankers to plunder our tax revenues and, today, we are just waiting for the official eulogy that the American economy is dead and the real “hunger games” are about to commence. Everyone knows that when the Obama puppet masters in the Federal Reserve are done plundering what is left of our pensions, our social security, our private property and our 401k’s, that the economy will be collapsed once and for all. Everything you have in this post is a prescription for Ezekiel 38-39, http://biblehub.com/kjv/ezekiel/38.htm , Revelation 20:7-10). And then, what will the American people do? At some point, hopefully sooner rather than later, they are going to humble themselves and pray: http://biblehub.com/2_chronicles/7-14.htm and fasting wouldn't hurt either: http://biblehub.com/matthew/17-21.htm . 9It is your destruction, O Israel, That you are against Me, against your help. 10Where now is your king That he may save you in all your cities, And your judges of whom you requested, "Give me a king and princes "?… (see http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0908.htm ). O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Good to see ya ... you must have had one heck of a computer failure ... how are ya ?
"Resolve to serve no more,” he says, “and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.” Étienne de La Boétie
Don't forget to add the local police who are now quasi-military, right down to heavy vehicles.
Jethro... Looking at olde photos of the Bonus March of 1933, in which several Americans died, there are prominent views of MacArthur, Eisenhower and Patton. Willing to shoot their own comrades from WWII. Obey all lawful orders or we shoot YOU. There is the problem, the people at the top get to decide what is a lawful order.
Right you are, and add to that the brave commander, who when dealing with unarmed students at Kent State in the late 60s, gave his troops the order to fire into the crowd. We on 4um are a lot of things, but delusional isn't one of them.
It was a startling awakening for a kid to find out that a grunts life in the military was of no consequence. Advancing from that, what possible value could be placed on the unwashed masses of civilians???? Bush and Obombo call such, collateral "damage". I call it murder.
You too, as always. ... you must have had one heck of a computer failure MAJOR understatement. I was only able to get online a few times in the last going-on-a-year-and-a-half. I am online now, but am waging battles on all fronts and don't really have time to be here now, but I realized I made a very serious error the other day and came online to correct it. It wasn't on this post, but the mention of FEMA made me think of something, and after following up on my hunch, came across a huge piece of information I had heard of when it was in the planning stage years ago, but did not know had been accomplished. It has changed my perception quite a bit, but not on this post. In fact, it makes my statement here more urgent. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
First world war?
We are the frog beginning to boil ! "Resolve to serve no more,” he says, “and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.” Étienne de La Boétie
Yes Sir... My brain does often wander, it does pretty good however, seeing it is fossilized. Stop laffing. hehehe
For sure, and that analogy never gets old to me.
I caught that too, but I chalked it up to Cyni brewing a new batch of hillbilly moonshine :)
I knew that it was the 'shine and passed - of course our resident historian knew which WW he meant. More than a thousand times, my olde fingers have twitched more than they should have on the keyboard... “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lately I've taken it upon myself to keep him on his toes. Sometimes I'm expecting him to be making a pointe, but I can't be sure until I ask when there's such a mistake. I learned a long time ago to avoid making assumptions about what Cyni was saying.
The Professor's mind is as crisp & clear as ever. I hope mine is half as active when I hit 97 years olde :)
I wish that mine were half as clear at 67.5....aging generally sucksssss.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
When we're young we have faith in what is seen, but when we're old we know that what is seen is traced in air and built on water. MAXWELL ANDERSON, Winterset Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
I figured there was a secret to the professor's agelessness!
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