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Title: Search for alien life could remain fruitless, study finds
Source: The Conversation
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/ ... -remain-fruitless-study-finds/
Published: May 10, 2014
Author: Akshat Rathi
Post Date: 2014-05-10 09:46:15 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 170
Comments: 8

Given that we are unlikely to be visiting an exoplanet any time soon, astronomers have been contemplating whether it might be possible to detect indications of simple life – a biosignature – from a distance. Many think that the strongest case for extraterrestrial life would be the discovery of oxygen and methane on the same body. They also think that the likelihood of finding such a biosignature is greatest on an Earth-like planet that is orbiting a sun- like star.

Astronomers who hope to search for these biosignatures in expolanets, however, may be in for a disappointment. New research finds that there is no way we can confirm that such a signature is actually the result of extraterrestrial life. The problem, it turns out, is that an exomoon’s atmosphere will be indistinguishable from the one of the planet it orbits.

Finding E.T.

Searching for extraterrestrial life is no easy feat. Astronomers have to first search for a star that has planets. Then they have to ensure that there is at least one planet that orbits this star in the habitable zone, which is a region around the star in which we might expect liquid water. Finally, they have to record the faint light that originated from the bright star and was reflected off the exoplanet after having passed through its atmosphere.

This faint light, even if only a handful of photons, when compared with light from the parent star is enough to give some indication of the chemicals in the atmosphere of this planet. Life as we know it creates two gases that wouldn’t naturally be present in an atmosphere at the same time – oxygen from photosynthesis and methane from microbes.

Both oxygen and methane can be created independently by non-living processes, so their individual presence is of little interest. What scientists are looking for is both of them in the atmosphere of a single body. If these reactive gases are not constantly replenished by living things, they will react with each other, creating carbon dioxide and water. As a result, we should not observe them in the same atmosphere without a large, living source.

False hopes

In the new study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Hanno Rein at the University of Toronto and his colleagues wanted to know whether anything else could mimic this biosignature. While working through potential false positives, which are signals that would show signs of life but in reality there isn’t life, he found a big one: exomoons. Rein found that observers on Earth will not be able to tell whether the signs of methane and oxygen originate from a single celestial body, or come from two nearby worlds.

This could happen because, just as Earth has a moon, there is a chance that exoplanets will have exomoons. While we have yet to find an exomoon, looking at the various moons of our solar system’s planets suggests that exomoons ought to be plentiful. However, even if they are plentiful, chances are that exomoons will be difficult to spot.

If both these celestial bodies have an atmosphere and in their atmospheres the exoplanet has oxygen and the exomoon has methane (or vice-versa), then an observer on Earth will record an oxygen-methane biosignature. This might seems like evidence for life, whereas in reality both these gases are being produced by non-living processes on two separate celestial bodies. Since they can’t react with each other, they will be able to build up to high levels.

Futile technology

“Even if we somehow developed ways of finding exomoons, we won’t be able to tease out the difference between their atmospheres given the limited amount of light that reaches us,” Rein said. This fundamental limit on the light that reaches us is called photo noise.

Rein limited his analysis to biosignatures coming from Earth-like planets orbiting a sun-like star, which is the combination that astronomers are betting has the greatest chance of hosting life. The American space agency NASA recently announced that they had found such an Earth-sized planet less than 500 light years away, although the star it orbits isn’t sun-like.

While their analysis might seem quite restrictive and involves a number of assumptions, it does not really matter: interpretation of biosignatures needs to be flawless. According to David Cullen at the University of Cranfield, “This study seems to highlight a real issue that will needed to be considered, along with other issues, when interpreting biosignatures.”

Rein himself was surprised to find such a limitation. However, he sees the results of his work in positive light. “Finding such a limitation tells us what we should focus on in the future. Rather than a restricted search for Earth-like planets orbiting sun-like stars, we should broaden our search,” he said.

What this research shows is a need to move away from a highly focused search for extraterrestrial life that is currently in place. Rein points out that the chances of eliminating such false positive biosignatures increases as the star becomes dimmer or larger planets are considered. Perhaps alien life is not just unlike that on Earth, but it is also resides in a place that is unlike Earth.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

It may be that life is so rare than it only exists on earth. Even with our technology scientists have been unable to create life with the problem being the difficulty of cell membrane to hold the nucleus.

If, however, we could discover evidence of life or past life on mars the the universe may be teaming with life but not technically advanced life. Our galaxy is billions of years old. If there was another or other planets that have or will be technically advance, as likely as not we would not be the first and the probability is high for one to be ahead of us by atleast 1/10 of percent of the life of our planet which is several million years.

In that case, they would have already have been here since, unless we destroy our civilization, we can expect to populate the galaxy in about one million. years.

DWornock  posted on  2014-05-10   11:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: DWornock (#1)

It may be that life is so rare than it only exists on earth.

Personally, I consider that unlikely. Whatever the mechanism for life creation, I consider it as likely to have happened on earth as elsewhere, and given the number of planets in the universe and age of same, it literally doesn't matter how rare the circumstances for life creation need to be.

If there was another or other planets that have or will be technically advance, as likely as not we would not be the first and the probability is high for one to be ahead of us by atleast 1/10 of percent of the life of our planet which is several million years.

In that case, they would have already have been here since, unless we destroy our civilization, we can expect to populate the galaxy in about one million. years.

Some claim that UFO sightings would be evidence that intelligent alien life is already here.

But discounting UFOs, then this theory assumes faster than light travel -- far faster -- is possible to obtain with any amount of technological advance. I would not assume it a certainty that is a barrier that can be eventually overcome.

Pinguinite  posted on  2014-05-10   12:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite (#2)

Some claim that UFO sightings would be evidence that intelligent alien life is already here.

According to Rowdy Roddy Piper, "They Live" was a documentary. I, personally, find that hard to believe, but, the aliens are definitely in control at the White House. ROTFLOL!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2014-05-10   13:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BTP Holdings (#3)

"They Live" was a documentary.

Hard to argue against that, given all the circumstantial evidence!

Pinguinite  posted on  2014-05-10   13:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#2)

An technically advance life would have already populated the galaxy. They would have populated the earth if suitable and not just visit.

Faster than light travel is probaby not possible and certainly not necessary. 20% of the speed of light would be plenty fast enough to populate the galaxy in a million years. They would travel in all directions. When a suitable planet was found they would start a very small group and 50,000 years later the planet would be populated and people would leaving it in all directions.

Even more likely, robotics would be far more advanced than any human. They would take frozen embryos and 100 to 5,000 years later when arriving at a suitable planet, they would thaw and raise the embryos to near adulthood and place the adults on the planet. If life was on the planet, humans have never been kind to other species unless valuable to us. We would feed on it or kill it.

DWornock  posted on  2014-05-10   15:21:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: DWornock (#5)

An technically advance life would have already populated the galaxy. They would have populated the earth if suitable and not just visit.

Thats really a bad assumption. In fact as long as humanity as a whole continues thinks like that, we will proly remain locked to this spherical rock.

I don't see what the big deal is myself. We used to call em angels and nephenhelm. Now we call em aliens. They have made their presence known for eons but never taken over nor exterminated. This can only mean that they consider our rock as ours.

.....From what little more I have read on the subject, those space things turn their ships and their flesh into light then do the interstellar travel thing. Meh. I stopped reading on all this stuff years ago. But yeah I just wanted to say that you can not apply the measuring stick you judge humanity by to alien things that are not human. I mean these things don't eat,. The float from computer bank to biological blank and back. They are really freaky. But not world conquering evil like we imagine ourselves from time to time.

If you can travel the stars you have most likely evolved past the need for petty greed.

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titorite  posted on  2014-05-10   15:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: DWornock (#5)

Seems to me that multi-generational space travel is so uneconomical that it would never be attempted. At least by humans. And beyond economics, there's the probability that any such ship would never reach the destination with any survivors remaining on board, given the chance of collision with asteroids, a catastrophic failure of life support systems or even a civil war in the ship (Such a ship would need to be enormous with many, many thousands of pissed off descendants of original space-farers who never chose to be locked up in a tin can world their entire lives).

Even more likely, robotics would be far more advanced than any human. They would take frozen embryos and 100 to 5,000 years later when arriving at a suitable planet, they would thaw and raise the embryos to near adulthood and place the adults on the planet. If life was on the planet, humans have never been kind to other species unless valuable to us. We would feed on it or kill it.

This sounds like a more reasonable means of interstellar space travel.

Pinguinite  posted on  2014-05-10   16:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#7)

Almost certainly unmanned spacecraft would be first. Including our own sun, there are about 500 G-type stars within 100 light years. At 20% of the speed of light it would take 600 years (500 years travel plus 100 years to transmit the information back to earth at the speed of light) to explore all of them.

If earth type planets with a suitable orbits are discoved. They may not have life. Therefore, to create an atmosphere with oxygen the probes would have to seed the clouds and oceans, if any, with bluegreen algae and/or other microorganisms and vegetation.

At 20% of the speed of light, in 21 years, we could travel with manned spacecraft to Alpha Centauri A, a star similar to our sun and it does have an earth size planet. However, the orbit is too close to the star and it is unknown if there areother earth size planets further from the star.

DWornock  posted on  2014-05-11   6:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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