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Title: If US Constitution suspended.- comment..
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/at-west-point ... -foreign-policy-210854002.html
Published: May 25, 2014
Author: Posters
Post Date: 2014-05-25 08:12:55 by Tatarewicz
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Comments: 10

[President George Washington]

If Obama succeeds in suspending the US Constitution and declares Martial law, YOU must realize that the United States of America, at that moment, instantly ceases to exist as the United States of America. Our Constitution is the only thing that grants authority to a national government and was ratified by the individual nation states and then other states applied to join that Confederacy and were accepted into the Constitutional Republic. If the founding document is suspended so then is that nation established on it suspended as well.

I would suggest that the Central States NOT follow after Washington DC's edicts, but unite in and under own Constitution Convention and thereby establish our own nation and leave the socialist states to flounder in their own mess. We have our original State Constitutions to govern our actions while we re-unite as one free nation as envisioned by some very intelligent and well educated men."

Originally written by Gerald David Stotler (deceased January 2014)+63-2

[Steven]

I think that what is bothering people is the fact that Homeland Security has bought up decommissioned armored vehicles from the military and has purchased millions of rounds of ammunition. Never outside of the military has any government agency done this under any president.

Add to this the incident in Nevada where 200 armed government agents with dogs, snipers and a helicopter were sent in to deal with a ranch family of 5-6 people. The Federal Government has a history of taking strong arm actions like it in the past.

While we all like to believe that the Constitution would stop any one man from seizing power we have to remember that the Federal Government acts like it owns the Constitution and that it acts like the Bill of Rights are just suggestions from long dead white men. It was Obama who not so long a go declared that he did not need the Congress and that he could legislate by executive orders. These words were used and of course they were quickly "redefined" by the Whitehouse aides.

While no one has ever been totally in agreement with this country's government there has never in my life time has there been so much anger at the government. FYI: I am including the Vietnam era into this assessment. The number of anti-government organizations are growing every day and many joining are military veterans. In reality most Americans are fed up with the taxes, the bureaucracy, the Washington style "truths" (aka lies), the cover-ups, the news media being biased, the corruption, the government give away programs and they are awakening to the fact that elections do not change or improve things. So if regular people are waking up to this reality in growing numbers then don't you think that the government realizes that it's survival may at some point be threatened? Throughout history when any government, country or empire has been threatened from within then the response has always been to evoke martial law and to exercise force to maintain the status quo. Don't think that it could happen in America? I pray that you are right.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

The constitution suspended? I thought that happened a long time ago.

Deasy  posted on  2014-05-25   8:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If?

Support bacteria.

(The world needs more culture)

Obnoxicated  posted on  2014-05-25   9:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The constitution suspended? I thought that happened a long time ago.

yup. It started with Lincoln:

The Admiralty Court exists because the U.S. is under martial law ...
www.bibliotecapleyades.ne...aster_file/martiallaw.htm For example, Abraham Lincoln declared martial law during the Civil War. Martial law has not been lifted yet from his declaration of martial law, over a hundred years ago ...

The United States Isn't a Country; it's a CORPORATION

"...The date is February 21, 1871 and the Forty-First Congress is in session. I refer you to the "Acts of the Forty-First Congress," Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62. On this date in the history of our nation, Congress passed an Act titled: "An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia." This is also known as the "Act of 1871." What does this mean? Well, it means that Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land.

What??? How could they do that? Moreover, WHY would they do that? To explain, let's look at the circumstances of those days. The Act of 1871 was passed at a vulnerable time in America. Our nation was essentially bankrupt — weakened and financially depleted in the aftermath of the Civil War. The Civil War itself was nothing more than a calculated "front" for some pretty fancy footwork by corporate backroom players. It was a strategic maneuver by European interests (the international bankers) who were intent upon gaining a stranglehold on the neck (and the coffers) of America.

The Congress realized our country was in dire financial straits, so they cut a deal with the international bankers — (in those days, the Rothschilds of London were dipping their fingers into everyone's pie) thereby incurring a DEBT to said bankers. If we think about banks, we know they do not just lend us money out of the goodness of their hearts. A bank will not do anything for you unless it is entirely in their best interest to do so. There has to be some sort of collateral or some string attached which puts you and me (the borrower) into a subservient position. This was true back in 1871 as well. The conniving international bankers were not about to lend our floundering nation any money without some serious stipulations. So, they devised a brilliant way of getting their foot in the door of the United States (a prize they had coveted for some time, but had been unable to grasp thanks to our Founding Fathers, who despised them and held them in check), and thus, the Act of 1871 was passed.

In essence, this Act formed the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Note the capitalization, because it is important. This corporation, owned by foreign interests, moved right in and shoved the original "organic" version of the Constitution into a dusty corner. With the "Act of 1871," our Constitution was defaced in the sense that the title was block-capitalized and the word "for" was changed to the word "of" in the title. The original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers, was written in this manner:

"The Constitution for the united states of America".

The altered version reads: "THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". It is the corporate constitution. It is NOT the same document you might think it is. The corporate constitution operates in an economic capacity and has been used to fool the People into thinking it is the same parchment that governs the Republic. It absolutely is not.

Capitalization — an insignificant change? Not when one is referring to the context of a legal document, it isn't. Such minor alterations have had major impacts on each subsequent generation born in this country. What the Congress did with the passage of the Act of 1871 was create an entirely new document, a constitution for the government of the District of Columbia. The kind of government THEY created was a corporation. The new, altered Constitution serves as the constitution of the corporation, and not that of America. Think about that for a moment.

Incidentally, this corporate constitution does not benefit the Republic. It serves only to benefit the corporation. It does nothing good for you or me — and it operates outside of the original Constitution. Instead of absolute rights guaranteed under the "organic" Constitution, we now have "relative" rights or privileges. One example of this is the Sovereign's right to travel, which has been transformed under corporate government policy into a "privilege" which we must be licensed to engage in. This operates outside of the original Constitution. ....."

www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm

fast forward to 1933....the American people were OFFICIALLY declared to be ENEMIES OF THE STATE under the Bankster-contrived Emergency War Powers Act:

"...when Congress declares an emergency **** there is no Constitution. This means its death....But the Constitution of the United States, as a restraining influence in keeping the federal government within the carefully prescribed channels of power, is moribund, if not dead. We are witnessing its death-agonies, for when this bill becomes a law, if unhappily it becomes law, there is no longer any workable Constitution to keep the Congress within the limits of its constitutional powers." - Congressman James Beck in Congressional Record 1933 "

excerpt, Treason in Government - Admiralty on Land - Where's the Water?

"....What does this date 1933 mean? Well you better sit down. First, remember World War I, in 1917 President Wilson declared the War Powers Act of October 6, 1917, basically stating that he was stopping all trade with the enemy except for those he granted a license, excluding Americans. Read the following from this Trading with the enemy Act, where he defines enemy: In the War Powers Act of 1917, Chapter 106, Section 2 (c) it says that these declared war powers did not affect citizens of the United States:

"Such other individuals, or body or class of individuals, as may be natives, citizens, or subjects of any nation with which the United States is at war, OTHER THAN CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, wherever resident or wherever doing business, as the President, if he shall find the safety of the United States of the successful prosecution of the war shall so require, may, by proclamation, include within the term "enemy."

Now, this leads us up to 1933. Our country was recovering from a depression and now was declared bankrupt. I know you are saying. Do What, the American people were never told about this? Public policy and National Security overruled the public right to know. Read the following Congressional quote:

"My investigation convinced me that during the last quarter of a century the average production of gold has been falling off considerably. The gold mines of the world are practically exhausted. There is only about $11,000,000,000 in gold in the world, with the United States owning a little more than four billions. We have more than $100,000,000,000 in debts payable in gold of the present weight and fineness. . . As a practical proposition these contracts cannot be collected in gold for the obvious reason that the gold supply of the entire world is not sufficient to make payment." -- Congressional Record, Congressman Dies, March 15, 1933

Before 1933 all contracts with the government were payable in gold. Now I ask you? Who in their right mind would enter into contracts totaling One Hundred billion dollars in gold, when there was only eleven billion in gold in the whole world, and we had about four billion. To keep from being hung by the American public they obeyed the banksters demands and turned over our country to them. They never came out and said we were in bankruptcy but, the fact remains, we are. In 1933 the gold of the whole country had to be turned in to the banksters, and all government contracts in gold were canceled. This is bankruptcy.

"Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. government." -- Congressman Traficant on the House floor, March 17, 1933

The wealth of the nation including our land was turned over to the banksters. In return, the nations 100 billion dollar debt was forgiven. I have two papers that have circulated the country on this subject. Remember Jesus said "money is the root of all evil" The Congress of 1933 sold every American into slavery to protect their asses. Read the following Congressional quotes:

"I want to show you where the people are being imposed upon by reason of the delegation of this tremendous power. I invite your attention to the fact that section 16 of the Federal Reserve Act provides that whenever the Government of the United States issues and delivers money, Federal Reserve notes, which are based on the credit of the Nation--they represent a mortgage upon your home and my home, and upon all the property of all the people of the Nation--to the Federal Reserve agent, an interest charge shall be collected for the Government." -- Congressional Record, Congressman Patman, March 13, 1933

"That is the equity of what we are about to do. Yes; you are going to close us down. Yes; you have already closed us down, and have been doing it long before this year. Our President says that for 3 years we have been on the way to bankruptcy. We have been on the way to bankruptcy longer than 3 years. We have been on the way to bankruptcy ever since we began to allow the financial mastery of this country gradually to get into the hands of a little clique that has held it right up until they would send us to the grave." -- Congressional Record, Congressman Long, March 11, 1933

What did Roosevelt do? Sealed our fate and our childrens fate, but worst of all, he declared War on the American People. Remember the War Powers Act, the Trading with the enemy Act? He declared emergency powers with his authority being the War Powers Act, the Trading with the enemy Act. The problem is he redefined who the enemy was, read the following: (remember what I said about the SS# being a license to work)

The declared National Emergency of March 9, 1933 amended the War Powers Act to*** include the American People as enemies

"In Title 1, Section 1 it says: The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March 4, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by subdivision (b) of section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended, are hereby approved and confirmed."

"Section 2. Subdivision (b) of section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, (40 Stat. L. 411), as amended, is hereby amended to read as follows: emergency declared by the President, the President may, through any agency that he may designate, or otherwise, investigate, regulate, or prohibit, under such rules and regulations as he may prescribe, by means of licenses or otherwise, any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit between or payments by banking institutions as defined by the President, and export, hoarding, melting, or earmarking of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency, BY ANY PERSON WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY PLACE SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF."

Here is the legal phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof, but at law this refers to alien enemy and also applies to Fourteenth Amendment citizens:

"As these words are used in the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Federal Constitution, providing for the citizenship of all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the purpose would appear to have been to exclude by the fewest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common Law), the two classes of cases, children born of *ALIEN ENEMIES(emphasis mine), in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, both of which, by the law of England and by our own law, from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country." - United States v Wong Kim Ark, 169 US 649, 682, 42 L Ed 890, 902, 18 S Ct 456. Ballentine's Law Dictionary

Congressman Beck had this to say about the War Powers Act:

"I think of all the damnable heresies that have ever been suggested in connection with the Constitution, the doctrine of emergency is the worst. It means that ****when Congress declares an emergency **** there is no Constitution. This means its death....But the Constitution of the United States, as a restraining influence in keeping the federal government within the carefully prescribed channels of power, is moribund, if not dead. We are witnessing its death-agonies, for when this bill becomes a law, if unhappily it becomes law, there is no longer any workable Constitution to keep the Congress within the limits of its constitutional powers." - Congressman James Beck in Congressional Record 1933

The following are excerpts from the Senate Report, 93rd Congress, November 19, 1973, Special Committee On The Termination Of The National Emergency United States Senate. They were going to terminate all emergency powers, but they found out they did not have the power to do this so guess which one stayed in, the Emergency Act of 1933, the Trading with the Enemy Act October 6, 1917 as amended in March 9, 1933.

"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency....Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 (now 63) years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency....from, at least, the Civil War in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency." - Senate Report, 93rd Congress, November 19, 1973

You may be asking yourself is this the law, and if so where is it, read the following: In Title 12 U.S.C, in section 95b you'll find the following codification of the Emergency War Powers:

"The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March 4, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by subsection (b) of section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended (12 U.S.C., 95a), are hereby approved and confirmed." - (March 9, 1933, c. 1, Title 1, 1, 48 Stat. 1) .....

....I have established that war has been declared against the American people and their children. The American people that voted for the 1933 government were responsible for Congress' actions, because Congress was there in their proxy. What is one of the actions taken against an enemy during time of War. In the Constitution the Congress was granted the power during the time of war to grant Letters of Marque. What is a letter of Marque? Well, read the following:

A commission granted by the government to a private individual, to take the property of a foreign state, as a reparation for an injury committed by such state, its citizens or subjects. The prizes so captured are divided between the owners of the privateer, the captain, and the crew. - Bouvier's Law Dictionary 1914.

Think about the mission of the IRS, they are a private organization, or their backup, the ATF. These groups have been granted letters of Marque, read the following:

"The trading with the enemy Act, originally and as amended, in strictly a war measure, and finds its sanction in the provision empowering Congress "to declare war, grant letters of Marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water." -- Stoehr v. Wallace 255 U.S.

Under the Constitution the Power of the Government had its checks and balances, power was divided between the three branches of government. To do anything else means you no longer have a Constitutional government. I'm not even talking about the obvious which we have already covered, read the following:

"The Secretary of the Treasury and/or the Attorney General may require, by means of regulations, rulings, instructions, or otherwise, any person to keep a full record of, and to furnish under oath, in the form of reports or otherwise, from time to time and at any time or times, complete information relative to, any transaction referred to in section 5 (b) of the Act of October 6, 1917." -- Title 12 Banks and Banking page 570.

How about Clinton's new Executive Order of June 6, 1994 where the Alphabet agencies are granted their own power to obtain money and the military if need be to protect themselves. These are un-elected officials, sounds un-Constitutional to me, but read on.

"The delegations of authority in this Order shall not affect the authority of any agency or official pursuant to any other delegation of presidential authority, presently in effect or hereafter made, under section 5 (b) of the act of October 6, 1917, as amended (12 U.S.C. 95a)"

How can the President delegate to un-elected officials power that he was elected to have, and declare that it cannot be taken away, by the voters or the courts or Congress. I tell you how, under martial law, under the War Powers Act. The American public is asleep and is unaware nor do they care about what is going on, because it may interfere with their making money. I guess Thomas Jefferson was right again:

"...And to preserve their independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes; have not time to think, no means of calling the mismanager's to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow sufferers..." -- (Thomas Jefferson) THE MAKING OF AMERICA, p. 395 ..."

http://www.barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html

This morning I ran across something from Rod Class [ http://www.dailypaul.com/258853/...s-are-private-contractors ], wherein I THINK he was addressing Congress to issue Letters of Marque to the military against our oppressors, but was also laying the claim that he, or the American people were at the point even that was not necessary. He also made the claim the American people were better armed than all the kings' horses:

In support of the Letter of Marque and Reprisal issued by the Congress of the United States of America

"...RELIEF SOUGHT

47. A Letter of Marque and reprisal was presented to Congress from the people not once, but three times over the last 6 years. Military and militia have two choices.

090212 -- [Letter of Marque and Reprisal Memorandum 090212] — Page 9 of 16

48. Choice 1: accept the Marque and reprisal: the fact that Congress did receive and did stamp the Marque and reprisal not once but three times and had the choice to act but failed in their duties. The Constitution gives Congress a 10 day window to reject, pass or pass through remain silence, to which Congress passed these letters of Marque and reprisal through their silence (Article I section 7 clauses 2) or

49. Choice 2: reject the Marque: the above Congressional documents are enough to validate that a change in government took place because they over throw the republic form of government and replaced it with foreign entity (UN-be known to the people of this country). Congress never confronted the people when they passed these Acts. At lease Congress was given the choice to pass or reject the Marques. In law when one fails to respond to a legal document they wave their argument. Failure to show up in Court is an automatic conviction by default/conviction of guilt. Why are We the People not holding those who work for us to the same standing? The United States Supreme Court has rule that God is first, the people are Sovereign and those who hold public office come beneath those who created these positions.

Chilsom vs state of GA - 2 US 419 (1793) .....

58. In all state constitutions the military is subordination to the civil power.

59. Ohio Const. Bearing arms; standing armies; military powers The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.

60. Penn Const. Standing Army; Military Subordinate to Civil Power No standing army shall, in time of peace, be kept up without the consent of the Legislature, and the military shall in all cases and at all times be in strict subordination to the civil power. 61. North Carolina Const. Militia and the right to bear arms. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Nothing herein shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons, or prevent the General Assembly from enacting penal statutes against that practice.

62. The United States Code title 18 section 4 Misprision of felony and Ch 115 sec 2382 Misprision of treason allow the people to confront the Military with issue of government corruption against the people.

090212 -- [Letter of Marque and Reprisal Memorandum 090212] — Page 13 of 16

63. 18 USC section 4 Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

64. 18 ch 115 section 2382 Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

65. These are the facts and case law and Congressional documents that back up the people’s complaint and justify the use of the Marque and the Private Attorney General in the name of the people of the several states. It all has been documented with its correct numbers to be verified. The people can not do any more to prove their case. If these issues are not enough, then there will never be enough to justify the people’s cause.

66. The military has a vested interest in this issue to its military service people who are being misused for personal profit due to the conflict with foreign nations by the policy of this private corporation. ....."

http://image.rayservers.com/rodn..._marque_reprisal_memo.pdf

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2014-05-25   10:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yup. It started with Lincoln:

You can say that again!

Deasy  posted on  2014-05-25   10:37:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So What? The constitution is a worthless document because any law, such as a law against bank robbery, that does not have penalties and an effective means of enforcing the penalties is no law at all.

That is also the reason why laws congress passes pertaining themselves are not laws. They never provide penalties or a means of enforcement. Laws they pass against the public have both huge penalties and means of enforcement.

DWornock  posted on  2014-05-25   13:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are correct, Deasy. It was suspended in 1861 under Lincoln and was never re-instated by Congress. This is the history we were NEVER taught in school. Why is that?

purplerose  posted on  2014-05-25   15:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I live in Arizona, where they have already suspended our constitution. It's a daily fight.

Are You Living in a Constitution Free Zone? https://www.aclu.org/national-security_technology-and-liberty/are-you-living-constitution-free-zone

Lorie Meacham  posted on  2014-05-25   16:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

4 doesn't yet support secure -

www.aclu.org/national-sec...ng-constitution-free-zone

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-05-25   16:45:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is the history we were NEVER taught in school. Why is that?

Oh on the contrary it is taught in school, with great pride. Individual states' rights were suppressed to enforce unconstitutional powers. None of the amendments before and after the war say that the federal government can use military force to slaughter hundreds of thousands of combatant citizens, pillage the land of dissenting territories, and hold thousands of POWs in the process.

That kind of force was never authorized by the constitution, yet now it is held in very high esteem by Republican and Democrat alike.

Deasy  posted on  2014-05-27   10:28:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Lorie, next time you post a link, notice there there is a preview and preview w/Auto Link tab that will automatically hyperlink it. :)

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2014-05-27   10:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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