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Title: Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl: Prisoner of the War Party
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URL Source: http://original.antiwar.com/justin/ ... ahl-prisoner-of-the-war-party/
Published: Jun 2, 2014
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2014-06-02 07:37:51 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 333
Comments: 34

His release may spark a major controversy

Is US Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl a traitor or a martyr, a coward who walked away from his unit or a symbol of how a misconceived war used US soldiers as pawns in a losing geo-political game?

This is going to be the issue as the prisoner swap with the Taliban takes incoming fire from Republicans like John McCain and others opposed to "negotiating with terrorists." Yet the real issue goes deeper than that: Bergdahl was profoundly disillusioned by the war, and his capture by the Taliban would never had occurred if he hadn’t walked off base – in plain language, deserted, as this 2012 Rolling Stone piece by Michael Hastings makes clear. In his last email to his parents, sent just before he walked, Bergdahl wrote:

“The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be American. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting.”

Bergdahl goes on at length, indicting a military system that punished competent soldiers and rewarded the "conceited brown-nose shitbag" who’s "allowed to do whatever [he] wants." In spite of his pro-military outlook, which had prompted him to join up in the first place, he realized he had joined "the army of liars, backstabbers, fools, and bullies." Bergdahl was no anti-military hippie: he’d long wanted to be a soldier and even tried to join the French Foreign Legion before enlisting in the US Army. A 23-year-old idealist who took soldiering seriously, Bergdahl was shocked to learn that the best officers "are getting out as soon as they can, and they are telling us privates to do the same."

It wasn’t just a military machine run from afar by incompetents that riled him, it was also the nature of the mission itself:

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Bergdahl was no anti-military hippie: he’d long wanted to be a soldier and even tried to join the French Foreign Legion before enlisting in the US Army.

This pretty much confirms my suspicions of this kid & the Obummer administration; one is a full blown KooK, while the administration continues to turn anything it touches into a pile of shit.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-06-02   7:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1) (Edited)

American kids who want to be soldiers just know that a future Tom Brokaw might associate them with the Greatest Generation. I think we should cut this guy some slack for realizing Afghanistan was a boondoggle. He loses points for getting captured though. Maybe he was in a MIC-induced funk. I don't think we've heard the end of this though.

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-02   8:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deasy, Jethro Tull (#2)

American kids who want to be soldiers

From General Washington to Obombo, 75 per cent of our Presidents have been military people.

Kids did NOT elect them, adult voters did, time after time.

Guess we have to start with General Washington, put all of them on the shit list.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-06-02   9:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

What do you think of the Obombo speech at West Point, Cyni?

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-02   9:15:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deasy, 4 (#2)

This story comes to us from deep left field, and, IMO, the controversy that surrounds his 'capture' and the release of the Gitmo 5, is all designed to distract a nation already riddled with ADD.

My gut feeling toward anyone wishing to join the French Foreign Legion is that they are a candidate for a padded cell, but like you I look forward to the alternative media's take on the subject.

Mike Rivero from RBN - 2PM EDT - is my favorite (non-corportist) voice of reason.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-06-02   9:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deasy (#4)

Have family member there, junior, finishing up next year.

After graduation next year, he will be entering med school as an army regular. No way his family could ever have afforded such.

Obombo is an insult to them as CIC.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-06-02   9:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#6)

I haven't read it all, but the speech tells them to up the role of a strong America. Based on that, where would you disagree?

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-02   9:31:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deasy (#7)

Did not read it.

However, when he speaks of strong America, he is lying thru his socks.

Those people at West Point did NOT get there by being stupid, poor yes, stupid no.

They know as well as we do that this country is in its death throes, that there is no going back. Not if, but when.

This kids father just lost a lifetime job at age 59.

Med school on his own, not hardly.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-06-02   9:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#3) (Edited)

Your #3.

What does Washington have to do apparent dirt bag?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-06-02   9:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull, Deasy (#9)

What does Washington have to do apparent dirt bag?

Both military?

Both volunteered.

Washington manhandled Americans when they rebelled.

"""The calling of the militia had the desired effect of essentially ending the Whiskey Rebellion. By the time the militia reached Pittsburgh, the rebels had dispersed and could not be found. The militia apprehended approximately 150 men and tried them for treason. A paucity of evidence and the inability to obtain witnesses hampered the trials. Two men, John Mitchell and Philip Weigel, were found guilty of treason, though both were pardoned by President Washington""""

Their treason????? Uhhh, they did not want to pay a tax on whiskey.

Washington personally led the force to round up people refusing to pay taxes.

In 1802, the tax was eliminated.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-06-02   9:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom, 4 (#10)

Bergdahl = Washington?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10868955/Bowe-Bergdahl-played-badminton-with-his-Taliban-captors.html

From numerous reports this AM, Bergdahl did an Eddie Slovik. And to make matters worse, it is being reported that at least four members of the military were killed trying to rescue him as he played badminton and drank tea with his 'captors.' That he didn't lose his head is unusual and that he appears to be in excellent physical condition is also remarkable.

I'm sticking with his story reeks until additional information proves me wrong.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-06-02   10:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: All (#11)

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...-his-Taliban-captors.html

Tea & badminton anyone?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-06-02   10:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#12)

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...last-prisoner-of-war.html

- SNIP

Sgt Bergdahl took an unusual route into the US military, studying ballet and joining a sailing expedition from the Atlantic to the Pacific before attempting to enlist in the French Foreign Legion. Only after being rejected by France did he join the US Army.

-SNIP

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-06-02   10:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

I'm sticking with his story reeks until additional information proves me wrong.

I agree with you.

Slovik did NOT run away, he stayed, and told them he could no longer take the living hell. So Ike shot him.

Bergdahl it appears took off. I agree with his reasons for doing such, but you do NOT take off.

Washington could not bring himself to hang two men for treason, when their only offense was refusing to pay taxes.

Bergdahl taking off on his own, is a no no. Object, refuse, pay the price, but you do not take off.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-06-02   10:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#8) (Edited)

However, when he speaks of strong America, he is lying thru his socks.

Ditto heads are saying Obama has weakened America. I don't see how. America is stronger now than ever before in terms of its spheres of influence. In strategic terms I personally find this unsustainable but in terms of global dominance I see it as stronger. I don't think anything significant changed from Bush to Obama except Bush started to go home (except for Georgia) and Obama pushed further outward in Libya, Syria, and the Ukraine.

Please explain how we're weaker tactically now than we were in 2008 or 2001.

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-02   11:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Deasy (#15)

America is stronger now than ever

Strength is gained via muscle, on the ground quantity and quality muscle.

We can exercise this only against inferior forces.

If Russia or China puts up ground forces in number, we are thru.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-06-02   11:16:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#16)

What has Obama done to specifically make this worse?

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-02   11:18:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Deasy (#17)

Boots on the ground are less and less every year.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-06-02   11:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#18)

That sounds like a tactic based on practical issues such as budget pressure, needing to move resources elsewhere, or the ability to project force in more efficient ways now with new transport options. Where have we been effectively weakened where we should have remained stronger?

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-02   11:26:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Deasy (#19)

Where have we been effectively weakened where we should have remained stronger?

Boots on the ground.

In my lifetime this has happened time after time.

WW2, we had nothing. Thousands of troops in the Pacific were written off to die or be captured.

If we are going to play with the big boys, best to carry a big stick.

Korea, my turn. We had nothing. Anyone in uniform was thrown into a ground war. Civilians were given three months training and shipped to Korea.

Vietnam speaks for itself, recent history, we lost in Korea, we lost in Vietnam. MacArthur said only a fool would engage in a land war in Asia. We did it twice, lost. Round three is coming up.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-06-02   11:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#20)

I'm looking for something Obama has done to weaken us by reducing boots on the ground in a specific theater or post.

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-02   11:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deasy (#21)

This puts it all in perspective, now vs WWII....

www.nytimes.com/2014/02/2...ld-war-ii-level.html?_r=0

Cynicom  posted on  2014-06-02   12:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#22)

...drop to 490,000 troops from a post-9/11 peak of 570,000.

A 15% reduction from the post-9/11 peak when we're withdrawing from Afghanistan and Iraq sounds reasonable given budget issues and the ever-present need to emphasize quality. I wouldn't say our peak post-9/11 levels were the best that money could buy.

I'm still looking for a specific theater or post that is less secure under Obama than Bush because of a specific Obama order. The NYT article didn't discuss any such thing.

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-02   12:25:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ada (#0)

From being a prisoner of the Taliban to being a prisoner of the War Party – will Sgt. Bergdahl be doubly victimized? In such a case, the War Party’s vindictiveness could well backfire on them. Imagine the trial: it won’t be Bergdahl who will be exposed as criminally incompetent and guilty of war crimes. The war itself, and what it’s done to the best of our youth, will be put on trial in that courtroom.

It’s hard to believe any decent human being would even consider putting Bergdahl through more trauma than he’s already endured – but in the case of the War Party, exemplified by the foam-flecked Peters, we aren’t talking about decent people. They will exact their pound of flesh from an ordinary, powerless individual caught in the headwinds of our turbulent era, just to make an ideological point...

It is no telling what Obama will do. Probably will leave Sgt. Bergdahl alone because there is little, if any, politial advantage to putting him on trial. However, if put on trial, it will not be a fair trial and Sgt. Bergdahl will not be able to give any reasons for his action nor will he be permitted to introduce evidence against the war.

The only question if placed on trial will be did he leave aor disobay orders. Whether or not, his orders were legal will not be allowed.

DWornock  posted on  2014-06-02   13:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

This pretty much confirms my suspicions of this kid & the Obummer administration; one is a full blown KooK, while the administration continues to turn anything it touches into a pile of shit.

ROFL! You sum up my take on this mess. Bergdahl is a punk deserter, who btw got other US soldiers killed searching for his sorry ass.

Then O'Bungler jumps even farther down the rabbit hole than we've learned to expect from his amateur self by going to great lengths - exchanging 5 Taliban head honcho leaders! - for the kook deserter.

Is this tragic farce supposed to make the VA non-treatment lists scandal go away?

www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/

scrapper2  posted on  2014-06-02   15:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: DWornock (#24)

However, if put on trial, it will not be a fair trial and Sgt. Bergdahl will not be able to give any reasons for his action nor will he be permitted to introduce evidence against the war.

Duh. Bergdahl is no Snowden if that's what you're getting at. Bergdahl was grunt - he had no special access to military leaders' emails or strategy discussions. Bergdahl is no hero or freedom fighter.

Bergdahl got tired of being a soldier and wandered off base and predictably got captured and then when he got tired of going to the bathroom in a hole in the ground with his Pakistani brethern, he whined his little as* off on a video to get rescued and come back to Western civilization.

That's Bergdahl's "story" in a nutshell. What "evidence" does a douchebag like himself have to present against the Afghan War? Unless people have been living under a rock, everyone in the world knows that the expansion of the Afghan War was the stupidist decision O'Bungler could have made as a Nobel Peace Prize winner. ( smirk)

IF Bergdahl gets prosecuted, he'll get off because of "mental illness." O'Bungler picked the wrong grunt to "rescue" and when he finally figures that out - like yesterday - Zero's going to want this pooh pooh farce story to go away.

BTW, Bergdahl's dad, Bob, is a kook piece of work, too. No sooner than his son gets "rescued" by Commissair President, than ol' Bob starts tweeting about the need to have all the Gitmo prisoners released. Love it! Kookiness runs in the family. I wouldn't doubt that the Bergdahl Family members are O'Bummer voters.

twitchy.com/2014/06/01/bo...more-guantanamo-releases/

scrapper2  posted on  2014-06-02   15:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: scrapper2, 4 (#25)

Yep, the story seems to be a plant and in a sane country it would have the lifespan of a fruit fly. I can't wait to get back to real news; Concussions in football, changing the name of the Washington Redskins, gay marriage & the foibles of Mr. Sterling & Mrs. Sterling :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-06-02   15:31:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Ada (#0)

Why now? Bergdahl made himself a prisoner of war - he should have been swapped when the war was over.

Of course he was 100% correct about the war - there is no honor in the Afghan and Iraq wars. Bush, Cheney, and their Zionist neocons are looking worse by the day.

p.s. Fox News is going ape sh*t over this - they fight any move towards peace - they never miss a chance to push fear (just like their mentors - Israel).

johnj  posted on  2014-06-02   15:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: johnj (#28)

Bush, Cheney, and their Zionist neocons are looking worse by the day.

You need to update your calendar, bucko - Bush and Cheney have been out of office since January 20, 2009.

For the past 5 years 4 months, it's been the Nobel Peace Prize winner - O'Bungler - and his DemRat minions in charge of US foreign policy. And fyi...not only did O'Bungler EXPAND the Afghan War, but he has also opened new "war fronts" in Libya and Syria and he's itching to bait Russia to a mano-a-mano conflict in Ukraine.

scrapper2  posted on  2014-06-02   16:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: scrapper2 (#29)

Obama’s subsequent misdeeds do not take Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld off the hook. Bush and his Israeli mentors will always own the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. (Of course Obama has the same Zionist mentors.)

p.s. We all know that 9/11 and the cacophony of endless wars belongs in the lap of Israel and its supporters of all strips.

johnj  posted on  2014-06-02   17:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: johnj (#30)

Obama’s subsequent misdeeds do not take Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld off the hook

Who said anything about taking Bush and Cheney off the hook?

What you tried to do in your previous post was to conveniently omit any reference to Obama's expansion of the the Afghan conflict into a full out WAR - yes, the Afghan "war" is Obama's baby - he moved troops from Iraq to Afghanistan and he also had the military adopt new idiotic DemRat "counterinsurgency strategy" that ultimately hung out US soldiers to die or to be seriously injured. Btw, Obama was the guy who promised to shut down the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq when he campaigned for president in 2008. He did the exact opposite after he was elected. He made things worse.

www.breitbart.com/Big-Pea...O-FIGHT-A-TWO-FRONTED-WAR

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In the first seven plus years of war in Afghanistan (October 2001 – December 2008) we lost 630 U.S. soldiers. In early 2009, this administration authorized the implementation of the COIN strategy. Over the next five years, the U.S. death toll skyrocket to 2,292.

Seventy-three percent of all U.S. deaths in Afghanistan have taken place since 2009.

In the first seven plus years of war in Afghanistan, 2,638 U.S. soldiers were wounded in action. In the next forty-five months (2009 – 2012) an additional 15,036 suffered the same fate.

Liars figure, but figures don’t lie.

scrapper2  posted on  2014-06-02   18:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: scrapper2 (#31)

Is not the root cause of all this important?

Of course Obama also owns Afghanistan in a big big way. The question is who owns Obama and Bush? Certainly not the American people. Should that not be our focus?

johnj  posted on  2014-06-02   18:52:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: johnj (#32)

Should that not be our focus?

The focus on today's caw caw should be the current POS who has reigned for 5 years 4 months, which is something you Obama lovers seem to conveniently forget.

scrapper2  posted on  2014-06-02   19:41:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

I can't wait to get back to real news; Concussions in football, changing the name of the Washington Redskins, gay marriage & the foibles of Mr. Sterling & Mrs. Sterling :)

LOL!

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-03   0:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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