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Title: Who here has a cell phone and is being tracked by Government satillites?
Source: none
URL Source: http://http:none
Published: Dec 19, 2005
Author: me
Post Date: 2005-12-19 16:40:41 by Itisa1mosttoolate
Keywords: satillites?, Government, tracked
Views: 619
Comments: 48

Better yet, who is NOT?

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#9. To: robin (#8)

Supposedly those prepaid cell phones are not tracked.

I don't think thats true.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-12-19   18:34:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: timetobuildaboat (#6)

I first heard of this capability nearly 10 years ago.

What is most tragic about Dudayev's death is how he was lured by Russian 'negotiators' into a death trap. Following Yeltsin's March 31 announcement of a 'peace plan' and call for direct negotiations with Dudayev, the Chechen leader was begged to attend a Russian satellite phone call for the sake of 'peace'.

As soon as he began the conversation, Dudayev was reportedly killed by a missile fired from the air, guided by emissions from his satellite telephone. The missile attack also obliterated much of Gekhi-Chu village, 35 kms southeast of Grozny.

The technology to pinpoint emissions from satellite phones has been supplied to Russia by the US.

Sam Houston  posted on  2005-12-19   18:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: timetobuildaboat (#7)

personally don't own one

Nor do I.

Now I got this brother-in-law that steadfastly refuses to use the internet, for fear of privacy invasions. Yet he spends 24/7 with his freakin' ear pinned to the cell phone.

The way I see it...if you got a SS card, or a D/L or ever applied for credit, then anyone that wants to find anything out about you sure can, very easily. The idea of having privacy? That ship sailed back in the '30s sometime.

Soda Pop  posted on  2005-12-19   18:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Soda Pop (#11)

The way I see it...if you got a SS card, or a D/L or ever applied for credit, then anyone that wants to find anything out about you sure can, very easily. The idea of having privacy? That ship sailed back in the '30s sometime.

But they can't track your every movement.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-12-19   18:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

I don't own a cellphone. I don't even use a cordless phone anymore. I do have a wireless computer network in the house though, but I do not do online banking. If the government, or those driving near me with a laptop, manages to read what I'm typing right now so be it, lol.

If the need arises to buy and sell stocks, I use an automated phone trading system with a corded phone (still gives me the online rate). Had a broker ask me why I wouldn't do it online not too long ago. I told him it was not secure. He assured me it was. I told him, as a computer programmer, how he's so certain I don't have an undetected computer virus on my machine capturing all keystrokes? You know, maybe come out to my house and actually prove it to me since I can't seem to prove it to myself. No matter how secure the system is at his end all it would take is one keystroke capturing virus at my end to make it unsecure. By the end of that talk I'm guessing he's back to using a corded phone at home too, lol.

For long distance, I use phone cards I buy at Costco (less than 3 cents per minute). I do not recharge them though. First, it is often more expensive than just buying another card. Second, the fewer people who know my credit card information the better.

Chasing the Keystroke Capturers
Judging by the reaction of the audience, monitoring for this kind of stealthware is next to impossible. The products are designed to operate invisibly—that’s the whole point—and once installed are unlikely to trigger alerts from firewalls or intrusion detection systems. They just sit there, whispering your secrets.

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markm0722  posted on  2005-12-19   18:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: timetobuildaboat (#9)

Amendments are expected in connection with Section 206. In this age of disposable cell phones, satellite phones and constantly advancing communications technology, the original Act altered existing law to accommodate these new technologies. Permitting “roving” wiretaps based on a description of the target but not specifically identifying the location or facilities to be targeted for surveillance, Section 206 gave investigators what was necessary to keep pace with the terrorists and the new technologies they use. The primary concern with this section was the lack of specificity required in the identification of the individual to be targeted for surveillance. The reauthorizing legislation, therefore, requires – where a positive identification cannot be provided – a description of the target that is sufficiently specific to ensure that only one person is indeed targeted.

I guess you're right, but the difference is, I think, they don't know who you are.

War is never a solution; it is an aggravation.
~Benjamin Disraeli

robin  posted on  2005-12-19   18:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: robin (#14)

I guess you're right, but the difference is, I think, they don't know who you are.

Voice recognition and other clues such as your home/work location will using the phone and what is said on the phone.....they could figure out who you were pretty quickly.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-12-19   18:57:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: timetobuildaboat (#12)

But they can't track your every movement

Could if they bugged your home and vehicle. Hell they could put cams in your house and watch every move...even the bowel move.

I don't think Me or You would rate that type of interest, but it could be done. I can tell you that when we lived in Govt housing in Berlin, I NEVER said anything that I wouldn't want the world to know; and the phones...well 'nuff said.

Soda Pop  posted on  2005-12-19   20:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Soda Pop (#16)

I don't think Me or You would rate that type of interest

True, so why give them easy access with the use of a cell phone or these kroger/safeway and those of their ilk savings cards they require you to have to purchase products at a reasonable price.

I traded my card with a friend that had traded with his aunt.

I just try to buck the system every chance I get. Fuck big brother and I don't play well with tyrants.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-12-19   20:23:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: timetobuildaboat (#7)

For those of you with cell phones.

They would be quite bored with me. 95 percent of my calls are for Asian take out on my way home. No one who has any sense at all says anything on any kind of phone, email, etc that they don't want anyone else to know about.

Bush: Worst. President. EVER.

justlurking  posted on  2005-12-19   20:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: timetobuildaboat (#9)

Supposedly those prepaid cell phones are not tracked.

I don't think thats true.

And you would be right. I worked prepaid accounts.

Bush: Worst. President. EVER.

justlurking  posted on  2005-12-19   20:29:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: justlurking (#18)

They would be quite bored with me. 95 percent of my calls are for Asian take out on my way home. No one who has any sense at all says anything on any kind of phone, email, etc that they don't want anyone else to know about.

It's not really what you say that matters. It's the fact that they have access to you via listening or tracking you.

Even if you are no threat in any way, if you don't like big brother you don't enable him IMHO.

I would be completely outside thier system if I had the finacial resources to do so.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-12-19   20:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: timetobuildaboat (#20)

I would have preferred to not get a cell, but I have to drive home on back roads in the dark. I feel better having a way to get ahold of someone should something happen.

Bush: Worst. President. EVER.

justlurking  posted on  2005-12-19   20:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: justlurking (#21)

I would have preferred to not get a cell, but I have to drive home on back roads in the dark. I feel better having a way to get ahold of someone should something happen.

I don't blame you.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-12-19   20:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Soda Pop (#11)

The idea of having privacy? That ship sailed back in the '30s sometime.

Yep. Spot on correct, SP.

Lod  posted on  2005-12-19   21:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: markm0722 (#13)

Good information and hints - thank you.

Lod  posted on  2005-12-19   21:37:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Soda Pop (#16)

I can tell you that when we lived in Govt housing in Berlin, I NEVER said anything that I wouldn't want the world to know; and the phones...well 'nuff said.

Visiting my BIL'S house in Switzerland, way back in 1983, he took me up to see all the listening gear/antenaae's that were parked in his attic - amazing stuff.

Lod  posted on  2005-12-19   21:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: timetobuildaboat (#7)

Cell phones? I don't own one...a brain tumor is a horrible way to go...

who knows what evil  posted on  2005-12-19   21:58:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: who knows what evil (#26)

Cell phones? I don't own one...a brain tumor is a horrible way to go...

That and the EMF field generated by the phone disrupted neurons ability to repair themselves, leading to earlier onset of dementia due to and accelerated loss of brain cells.

There have been many studies done in Germany on the subject.

The other study found that the side the brain tumor developed on corresponded to the side in which the user held the phone 95% of the time.

Along with the big brother factor.....Hell no will I ever own one.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-12-19   22:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Soda Pop, all (#11)

The idea of having privacy?

Have you checked out typing your home address into google lately? Click the first link that pops up. Nice satellite view of your street.

Bush: Worst. President. EVER.

justlurking  posted on  2005-12-19   23:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: justlurking (#28)

Google is a fed intel supplier.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2005-12-19   23:11:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Fred Mertz (#29)

Google is a fed intel supplier.

Really?

Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-19   23:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Zipporah (#30)

http://www.google-watch.org/

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-12-19   23:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Zipporah (#30)

It's so funny that this thread is about cellular phones, but everyone posting to it has their own NSA data log of every web site they visit and prolly everything they type. LOL

Big Brother is here to stay.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2005-12-19   23:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#31)

Oh that's nice.. not!

Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-19   23:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Fred Mertz (#32)

It's so funny that this thread is about cellular phones, but everyone posting to it has their own NSA data log of every web site they visit and prolly everything they type. LOL

Big Brother is here to stay.

Not surprising.. unfortunately.

Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-19   23:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: markm0722, Itsa1mosttoolate (#13)

Had a broker ask me why I wouldn't do it online not too long ago. I told him it was not secure. He assured me it was. I told him, as a computer programmer, how he's so certain I don't have an undetected computer virus on my machine capturing all keystrokes?

I won't do online banking or enter my credit card in the computer for anything.

I never have and never will.

Diana  posted on  2005-12-19   23:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Diana (#35)

I won't do online banking or enter my credit card in the computer for anything.

I never have and never will.

There are a lot of people that feel that way but don't at all see the problem with computer voting.. or even online voting.

Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-19   23:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Fred Mertz (#32)

It's so funny that this thread is about cellular phones, but everyone posting to it has their own NSA data log of every web site they visit and prolly everything they type. LOL

Wouldn't that be a huge data log to wade through?

Diana  posted on  2005-12-20   0:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Zipporah (#36)

I wouldn't do that either!

Diana  posted on  2005-12-20   0:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Fred Mertz (#29)

Google is a fed intel supplier.

I gotta kick outta the first time I tried "Google Earth"...I remember the day when if you just whispered "Keyhole" you'd have the Security Control Officer on your ass.

Soda Pop  posted on  2005-12-20   5:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: robin (#8)

Supposedly those prepaid cell phones are not tracked. Note Fred's comments above.

I bought my pre-paid phone from Cellular One in Michigan.

It was totally anonymous, they didn't even ask for a name or adress.

Unless they got my license number in the parking lot, there is no way that they know who I am.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2005-12-20   7:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Bill D Berger, timetobuildaboat (#40)

Thanks, that's what I understood.

All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.

~George Orwell

robin  posted on  2005-12-20   8:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Diana (#37)

Wouldn't that be a huge data log to wade through?

They only will access it and analyze it when you step out of line.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2005-12-20   10:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Bill D Berger (#40)

Unless they got my license number in the parking lot, there is no way that they know who I am.

Two words....

Voice recognition

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-12-20   12:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: timetobuildaboat (#43)

I think they could ID his cell phone by cross-referencing his calling history, both incoming and outgoing.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2005-12-20   12:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Fred Mertz (#32)

i want my MTV cellular phone!!!

War is good for business. Invest your son.

christine  posted on  2005-12-20   13:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Fred Mertz (#44)

I think they could ID his cell phone by cross-referencing his calling history, both incoming and outgoing.

That and the location in which it is used...like his home work and friends houses.

Anyone who thinks that a throw away phone gives them anonymity isn't really thinking it through.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-12-20   13:06:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: timetobuildaboat (#46)

I agree. But at the same time I feel it is my duty as a loyal American to give false information whenever possible to corrupt the corporate databases. That's why a gave a false name and address when I bought my cell phone for cash; just for shits and grins.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2005-12-20   13:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Fred Mertz (#47)

That's why a gave a false name and address when I bought my cell phone for cash; just for shits and grins.

I would do the same in a heartbeat and I try to live my life thusly sp?.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-12-20   13:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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