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Title: THE PHYSICAL APPEARANCE OF ANCIENT ISRAEL THE HEBREWS & THE SONS OF HAM
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Yahoo News... And the sons of Ham, Cush & Mizraim & Phut & Canaan. "Genesis 10:6"

For years, scholars, theologians and archaeologist have debated the answer to the question, "How did the ancient Israelites look physically?" Although the scriptures and other historical documents, have left a lot of evidence that confirms the physical appearance of the Israelites, much of this information is still unknown to the masses. The popular belief today among Christians, scholars and theologians, is that the people known as "Ashkenazi Jews" are the direct descendants of the ancient Israelites. But, can this be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt?

The answer is NO.

The scriptures which will be used here as the main source, supported by history and archaeology proves that these Jews are not the physical descendants of the ancient Hebrew Israelite nation. In addition it reveals who the true descendants are. The answer may leave you in shock. Israel is mentioned in scripture over 2,500 times. The scriptures contain the Hebrews' entire history. In fact, no other people on the face of the earth have such an extensive recorded history, not even the ancient Egyptians. Every thing we need to know about the ancient Hebrews is contained in Scripture. So, let's examine these facts, information that to this day remains unknown or hidden to many "bible" readers.

ISRAEL IN THE LAND OF EGYPT

The history of the Israelite nation began in Egypt, the land of Ham. They entered Egypt 66 in number, (not including Joseph, his wife and two sons who were already in Egypt), and left numbering over two million people. Ancient Israel spent 430 years in Egypt. For half that time they enjoyed good favor with the Egyptians, but for the remainder of those years they were enslaved and horribly mistreated by them.

One of the facts scripture gives us about Israel (Ysrayl in the Hebrew tongue), is in regard to their physical appearance. Throughout scripture Israel is described as looking like the sons of Ham (Khawm in the Hebrew tongue), in physical appearance.

Ham was one of Noah's three sons, Shem and Japheth were the other two. Noah's descendants repopulated the earth after the Great Flood. Ham's descendants are traced to the families of Africa. Ham (Khawm) in Hebrew means BLACK, HOT AND BURNT. Ham had four sons,

1. CUSH (Ethiopians / Cushites & Nubians), 2. MIZRAIM (Egyptians / Khemet), 3. PHUT (Ancient Libyans or Somalia), 4. CANAAN (Canaanite, the original inhabitants of the land of Israel) genesis 10:6-19.

All four of Ham's sons and their descendants settled in and around the continent of Africa, this includes the so called Middle East which is also a part of the Continent of Africa. Ham sons are the people of the African continent, the Ancient Egyptians, Ethiopians, Somalia's, Canaanites etc.

The Israelites are descendants of Noah son SHEM, through Abraham, he is the father of the Hebrew Israelite Nation. Abraham is the father of Isaac, Isaac is the father of Jacob, Jacob had twelve sons and these sons are the progenitors of the Israelite nation. The Twelve tribes of Israel are as follows:

REUBEN GAD SIMEON ASHER LEVI NAPHILTI JUDAH ISSACHAR ZEBULON JOSEPH DAN BENJAMIN

Each one of Jacob's sons became a tribal nation, that made up the greater nation of Israel. EXAMPLE: Reuben's descendants became known as the tribe of Reuben. Judah's descendants became known as the tribe of Judah and so on and so forth. The nation of Israel are the descendants of Jacob who had his name changed to Israel by the Most High (Gen 28:32). That's the basics, lets move on to the meat of our lesson.

We will begin with the story of Jacob's second Youngest son Joseph, and his time in Egypt. Joseph was one of the twelve sons of Jacob (Yaaqob in Hebrew). Jacob sired Joseph in his old age, and he was clearly his favorite son. This caused Joseph's brothers to become jealous of him.

Ultimately, their jealousy resulted in Joseph being sold by Arab merchants as a slave to Egyptians.

Over the course of time Joseph became Viceroy (Governor) of Egypt and was second in command to Pharaoh in authority. There was a famine in Canaan, where Jacob and his sons lived. (Pharaoh had a dream which Joseph interpreted. His dream told of the forthcoming famine and gave Egypt an opportunity to prepare by storing food.) So, Jacob sent his ten sons to Egypt to buy bread. When Joseph's ten brothers came into Egypt they were brought before him. Joseph recognized his brothers, but they didn't recognize him (Genesis 42:1-8).

Since the biblical Egyptians were a black-skinned people, Joseph had to be black-skinned also. If he were white skinned, his brothers would have recognized him easily among the "black" Egyptians. His brothers thought Joseph was another Egyptian.

The ancient Egyptians of Joseph time were indeed what we know today as "black", this is a fact attested to by many.

Gerald Massey, English writer and author of the book, Egypt the Light of the World, wrote, "The dignity is so ancient that the insignia of the Pharaoh evidently belonged to the time when Egyptians wore nothing but the girdle of the Negro." (p 251)

Sir Richard Francis Burton, a 19th century English explorer, writer and linguist in 1883 wrote to Gerald Massey, "You are quite right about the "AFRICAN" origin of the Egyptians. I have 100 human skulls to prove it."

Scientist, R. T. Prittchett, states in his book The Natural History of Man, "In their complex and many of the complexions and in physical peculiarities the Egyptians were an "AFRICAN" race (p 124-125).

The Ancient Greek historian Herodotus, who visited Egypt in the 5th century B.C.E., saw the Egyptians face to face and described them as black-skinned with woolly hair.

Anthropologist, Count Constatin de Volney (1727-1820),spoke about the race of the Egyptians that produced the Pharaohs. He later paid tribute to Herodotus' discovery when he said:

The ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of it's original color, while retaining none the less the imprint of it's original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face (referring to The Sphinx) is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest to or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of the people."

The fact that the ancient Egyptians were black-skin prompted Volney to make the following statement: "What a subject for meditation, just think that the race of black men today our slaves and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, science and even the use of our speech."

The testimony of the ancients, the scriptures, & many Egyptologists, along with archaeology confirms that the Egyptians during biblical times were a "BLACK" PEOPLE. This is important to know, as we continue, we'll see that the bible on multiple occasions describes the ancient Hebrews as looking like the Egyptians in physical appearance.

Next, in Genesis chapter 50 verses 7-11, scripture will describes ALL the Hebrews as looking like the ancient Egyptians.

After Jacob (who's name was changed to Ysrayl - Israel) died in the land of Egypt, all the Hebrews and Egyptians went down to the land of Canaan to bury him (He asked his son to bury him in the land of Canaan with his forefathers Genesis 49:29-30).

Verses 7-8, states that all the elders of Pharaoh's house and all the elders of the land of Egypt along with all the Hebrews (except for their small children) went down. VERSE 9 says, "It was a very great company." VERSE 11 says, that the Canaanite saw the funeral procession and said "THIS IS A GRIEVOUS MOURNING TO THE EGYPTIANS". But, remember this was a mixed multitude of Hebrews and Egyptians going to bury a HEBREW, and the Canaanite identified them both as Egyptians. WHY? Because, the Canaanite saw a great company of black-skinned people who all look like native (black) Egyptians.

If the Hebrews were a white skinned people, as we have been led to believe. The Canaanite who were familiar with both the Hebrews and Egyptians would have acknowledged them both by saying, "THIS IS A GRIEVOUS MOURNING TO THE EGYPTIANS AND HEBREWS." Without doubt white Hebrews would have stuck out like a sore thump among the black Egyptians. The Canaanites never Identified the Hebrews separately from the Egyptians. Since it was a Hebrew being buried you know the Israelites were the ones who were mourning the greatest. The Canaanites seen this and though those Israelites in mourning were Egyptians.

The scripture goes on to say that the Canaanite named the place where they saw this great mourning for a HEBREW Abel Mizraim which means the meadow of Egypt/Mizraim or Mourning of the Egyptians.

Now lets go to the greatest and most famous story about the Israelites sojourn in the land of Egypt. This would be the story of Moses (Moshe).

Many years after the death of Joseph, His brothers and all that generation that entered Egypt during the time he was viceroy. The Hebrew population in Egypt grew tremendously. Because of this, they were no longer looked upon as friendly neighbors, the Egyptians now considered them hostile enemies and enslaved them.

Because of the Hebrews' population growth the Egyptians decided, they would impose upon them their own form of birth control. Pharaoh decreed that all Hebrew males are killed at birth (Exodus 1), this brings us directly to the story of Moses.

Moses was born a Hebrew - Israelite from the tribe of Levi (exodus 2:1-3). He spent 40 years in the house of pharaoh (Acts 7:23) and was raised as the Pharaoh's Grandson (Exodus 2: 6, 10).

This was during the same time that Pharaoh ordered all Hebrew males to be killed at birth. So, with Pharaoh, being a black-skinned descendant of Khawm / Ham, it would of course follow that Moses was black-skinned also.

Many Scholars say the Pharaoh who was on the throne of Egypt at the time of Moses' birth, was Pharaoh Seti I. He was the father of Rameses II, the Pharaoh of the oppression, also known as Rameses the Great.

George Rawlinson, an English author wrote a book entitled History of Egypt. On page 252, he gives a description of Seti I. He states: "SETI'S FACE WAS THOROUGHLY AFRICAN. HE HAD A STORMY FACE WITH A DEPRESSED FLAT NOSE, THICK LIPS AND HEAVY CHIN."

Moses had to have the same physical characteristics because again, he was raised in the house of Pharaoh, as the grandson of Pharaoh, when Pharaoh ordered all other Hebrew males to be killed at birth. If the Israelites were a white-skinned people, how could Moses the Hebrew survive (secretly) in the house of Pharaoh among black-skinned Egyptians for 40 years, and not be noticed.

Furthermore, after giving the decree (himself) to kill all Hebrew males, how could Pharaoh face and rule over his people, if he knowingly had one living in his house with all the rights and privileges of his own family? Moses survived 40 years in the palace of Pharaoh because he was a black man just as the Egyptians were.

This is deep, Pharaoh looked into the eyes of Moses as a baby and thought this was his own flesh and blood. He looked into the eyes of Moses as a teenager and thought this was his own flesh and blood. He looked into the eyes of Moses as a young man in his 20's and 30's and thought this was his own flesh and blood. Pharaoh seen Moses grow into a man of 40 and he thought this was his own flesh and blood grandson.

Just as the Canaanite couldn't tell the Hebrews from the Egyptians. Pharaoh couldn't either, or Moses would have been killed instantly.

Scripture tells us that Moses killed an Egyptian, after he saw him mistreating a Hebrew. So Moses had to flee from Egypt for his life, because Pharaoh found out and sought to kill him (Exodus 2:12-15). Pharaoh was trying to kill Moses because he found out Moses was a Hebrew and not his flesh and blood grandson.

Moses fled to the land of Midian (located in Saudi Arabia) where he helped seven daughters of the priest of Midian water their flock, after chasing away some bully shepherds. The girls went home to their father, Reuel and told him what happened.

Exodus 2:16-19

16 Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters: and they came and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father's flock.

17 And the shepherds came and drove them away: but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock.

18 And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?

19 And they said, An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock.

Notice they didn't say a Hebrew in Egyptian clothing saved us, they described Moses as a black-skinned descendant of Ham (Egyptian).

Further proof that Moses was "black" can be found in Exodus 4:6-7, In this passage, Yah / YHWH, (The Creator's name in Hebrew) is showing Moses miracles so that he can prove to the children of Israel who sent him. YAH tells Moses to put his hand into his bosom, which he does. When he takes his hand out, it is LEPROUS (White) as snow. If Moses was already white-skinned, what would have been the miracle in turning the skin of his hand white?

But, since Moses and the rest of the Hebrews were a black skinned people, this would have been a very powerful miracle, to turn his hand (skin) the opposite color of the rest of his flesh.

Verse 7 says, Yah told Moses to put his hand back into his bosom, and it turned as his other flesh. Meaning that the rest of his body (skin) was other than white or the opposite of white, which is black.

In the book of Numbers, chapter 12 verse 1, Moses' sister and brother, Miriam and Aaron spoke out against him because he married an Ethiopian woman, (not because she was black skinned, but because she was of another culture. / Nation, read Acts 10:28:) their behavior angered Yah. Verse 10 says, He TURNED MIRIAM LEPROUS, WHITE AS SNOW. Once again if Miriam, who was a Hebrew, was white to begin with, what would have been the curse of turning a white skinned person white?

It is an established fact that The Bible always mentioned leprosy in the context of the skin turning white because of a disease or in relationship to some specific wrong doing.

Leviticus 13:2 states:

"When a man shall have in the skin of his flesh a rising, a scab, or bright spot and it be in the skin of his flesh like the plague of leprosy. Then he shall be brought to Aaron, the priest, or to one of the sons of the priest".

verse 4: If the bright spot be WHITE in the skin of his flesh, the priest shall shut up him that has the plague seven days.

Verse 6: And the priest shall look on him again the seventh day: and behold, if the plague be somewhat DARK, and the plague spread not in the skin, the priest shall pronounce him clean: it is but a scab; and he shall wash his clothes and be clean".

In the 2nd and 4th verse a bright or white spot in the skin is mentioned. A bright spot means a spot that is lighter than the regular dark brown / black skin. Moses said in the sixth verse: "And the priest shall look on him again the seventh day, and behold if the plague be somewhat dark, and the plague spread not in the skin, the priest shall pronounce him clean..."

This is because the skin is getting darker like his original skin tone. A black skinned man or woman with these spots covering some part of their body is a partial leper. However, once the plague of the whiteness has covered his entire body from his head to his feet, the leper is clean. He has completely changed his color like the albino. The people who had this form of leprosy in the scriptures CAN BE classified as albino, and these albinos are the only white skinned Hebrews that existed in ancient times, they were the minority.

If Israel was a white skinned people in ancient times, why does The scriptures only speak of them as TURNING WHITE OR BECOMING WHITE WITH LEPROSY (in reference to their skin color).

Acts 21:37-38, states that Paul, (Shaul in Hebrew) the apostle, was being led into a castle by a chief captain. Paul spoke to the chief in Greek, asking permission to speak with him. The chief captain was surprised that Paul could speak Greek and in verse 38, asks Paul, "Are not you that EGYPTIAN?" Paul responded, (Verse 39) "I am a man of Israel (Hebrew)."

37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?

38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?

39 But Paul said, I am a man of Israel (Hebrew) of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

In order for this chief captain to mistake Paul (the Hebrew) for a black-skinned Egyptian, Paul had to look like an Egyptian, as scripture tells us the whole nation of Israel did. Paul had to tell the chief captain he was an Israelite. Once again we see from scripture that it is hard to physically identify a Hebrew from an Egyptian.

In the book of Matthew 2:13, the angel of Yah told Joseph to arise and take the young child Yahshuah, (The Messiah’s true Hebrew name is Yahshuah) and his mother Mary (Miriam in Hebrew) and FLEE INTO EGYPT. He was told to stay there until he received further instruction, because Herod would seek the young child to destroy him.

13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of Yah appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

Joseph, Miriam and Yahshuah were told to flee into Egypt, not for military protection, because during this time, Egypt was a Roman province under Roman control. They fled into Egypt because Egypt was still a "black" country, populated by a majority of black-skinned people (Egyptians). Joseph, Miriam and Yahshuah would have been just another black-skinned family among many. Remember, they fled into Egypt to HIDE from Herod who was seeking to kill Yahshuah.

If Yahshuah and the rest of the Hebrews looked like those pictures of the "Christian Christ", it would have been hard for him to hide in Egypt and not be noticed.

NOTE: the above fact about Yahshuah hiding in Egypt was attested to by a biblical scholar (DR. MARK GOODACRE) on a BBC produced program in 2001.

The Program was called 'THE COMPLETE JESUS'. Dr. Mark Goodacre (pictured) stated that it would have been hard for Yahshuah to hide among the Egyptians, if he didn’t look like the Egyptians, he was saying that Yahshuah could not have been white skinned. He admitted in the program that Yahshuah was a dark /black skinned man.

HERE IS HIS EXACT QUOTE FROM THE PROGRAM ENTITLED THE COMPLETE JESUS. “Now it’s very unlikely that Jesus would have been able to be HIDDEN in Egypt, if he had a very different color of SKIN from the people in Egypt.”

He also made mention that the Israelites of the first to third centuries wore their hair in Afro's. this is only the tip of the iceberg, you can't hold down the truth.

Now back to our lesson.

Herod was put on the throne of Israel by the Romans. Egypt was under Roman dominion. All Herod had to do was check with the Roman officials in Egypt to find out if there were any Hebrews with baby boys around. But, since the Hebrews and the Egyptians looked the same physically, it would have been hard to single out a Hebrew family among the native "black" ancient Egyptians.

As was mentioned, the ancient Egyptians were the descendants of Noah's son, Khawm, or Ham in English. Khawm means black, hot and burnt. The ancient Egyptians called their land and themselves Khemet, which in their tongue means "THE LAND OF BLACKS." The word Khemet is nothing but a variation on the word Khawm in the language of ancient Egypt.

In Psalm 78:51, Egypt is called "The House of ham (Khawm)."

"...AND SMOTE ALL THE FIRSTBORN IN EGYPT; THE TABERNACLES (HOUSE) OF HAM (KHAWM)."

Psalm 105:23,27 -- 23 "ISRAEL ALSO CAME INTO EGYPT; AND SOJOURNED IN THE LAND OF HAM (KHAWM)."

Verse 27 "THEY SHOWED HIS SIGNS AMONG THEM, AND WONDERS IN THE LAND OF HAM (KHAWM)."

The scriptures calls Egypt the land of Khawm, and remember one of the meanings of Khawm is black, the scriptures are calling Egypt "The Land of Black" which is what Khemet means. Egypt is called the land of Khawm because the Egyptians were descendants of Noah's son Khawm. This is more than likely the reason they called themselves Khemet. Scripture supports the fact that the Egyptians were a black-skinned people.

In the book of Amos chapter 9: we will now see Israel being compared to Ham (Khawm) first born son Cush / Ethiopians.

Verse 7 says "ARE YOU NOT AS CHILDREN OF THE ETHIOPIANS UNTO ME, O CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?"...

In this Verse, the Israelites are being called children of the Ethiopians by the Most High. The Ethiopians are a known black- skinned people, and the most high is calling Israel their children. How much sense would it make to call a white skinned people, CHILDREN OF THE ETHIOPIANS? The majority of Jews today are white-skin. if ancient Israel were a white skinned people, wouldn't it make more sense to compare them to a white skin nation. This verse does not say, "ARE YOU NOT AS CHILDREN OF THE ROMANS / GREEKS / GENTILES UNTO ME O CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?" It clearly compares Israel with a black skinned people. The reason for this is simple. Israel was and is a black skinned people, and the majority of them still are.

That verse also coincides with Acts 8: 26-36. When the angel of Yah spoke to the apostle, Philip saying:

"Arise go toward the south."

Verse 27: "...And he arose and went: and behold, a man of ETHIOPIA an eunuch of great authority... who had come to Jerusalem for to WORSHIP."

In verse 29, The Spirit tells Phillip to go and JOIN HIMSELF TO THE CHARIOT OF THIS ETHIOPIAN.

Verse 30, tells us that Philip heard him reading SCRIPTURE (Hebrew Scripture) about Yahshuah, (erroneously called Jesus) which he didn't understand.

In verses 34-36, Philip explains the meaning of the scripture and then preaches Yahshuah to him,

and in verse 38, Phillip baptizes him.

Lets analyze these verses.

First, this "Ethiopian" was coming to Jerusalem to worship.

In those days only the Hebrews came to Jerusalem for worship, because this is where the Temple of Yah stood, making Jerusalem the spiritual home of all Hebrews (2nd Chronicles 6:6 - 7:16).

Hebrews continued to come to Jerusalem to worship, up until the time of the Roman destruction in 70 C.E. As a matter of fact, Many Hebrews were worshiping at the temple while the Romans were breaking down the walls of Jerusalem about to lay siege to it.

Second, this Ethiopian had Hebrew scriptures in his possession.

In those days the scriptures were still considered sacred, and remained in the possession of the Hebrews, not everyone had access to scripture, as we do today. Hebrews, whether abroad or in the land, were the primary owners of scripture in those days.

Third, the Ethiopian was baptized by Phillip.

All these facts prove that this Ethiopian was a Hebrew, according to what Peter said in Acts 10:28:

"You know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Hebrew TO KEEP COMPANY OR COME UNTO ONE OF ANOTHER NATION."

If the Hebrews thought it was unlawful to keep company with those of another nation, why would Philip go and keep company with this Ethiopian, if indeed he was from a entirely different nation? Philip didn't even try to argue with the spirit, when he was told to go and teach this Ethiopian. The reason for that is:

The Ethiopian was a Hebrew who lived in Ethiopia. Making him what we know as a Ethiopian Hebrew.

As stated previously, it is a known fact that the Ethiopians are a black-skinned people. The name Ethiopian comes from the Greek word Aethiops which means burnt face. This was a title the ancient Greeks gave to the people who lived south of Egypt because they were closer to the equator than the Egyptians. Their hue on an average was a little darker than the Egyptians.

This Hebrew was not called Ethiopian just because he lived in Ethiopian, but because he also looked like a black-skinned Ethiopian. To this very day, there are many black-skinned Hebrews who live or have lived in Ethiopia in the past. Today many of them are known as the "Falasha" or Beta Yisrael. So far we have not seen where scripture likens Israel to any white-skinned nations as it relates to physical appearance. This is very important to understand because many of the people who are called Jews today are white- skinned and come from Europe.

These white skinned Jews make up the majority of the Jews in Israel and in the world. This is not a racist or "anti-Semitic" statement. It's only the truth according to scripture.

For further proof of the color of the ancient Israelites lets look at Acts 13:1:

"Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain PROPHETS AND TEACHERS: as Barnabas, and SIMEON THAT WAS CALLED NIGER, AND LUCIUS OF CYRENE, and Manaen which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Shaul (Paul)".

The word Niger is a Latin word that means BLACK, and Cyrene is a city in Libya, which is located in North Africa. Historians and scholars both agree that the city of Cyrene was a black area, meaning it was heavily populated with black skin-people in biblical times. Cyrene is also the place where Simon, the man who helped Yahshuah carry the cross (stake) was from (Matt. 27:32, Mark 15:21, Luke 23:26). Many acknowledge that Simon (the cross bearer) was a "black" man.

This man who was called Niger wasn't called black because he was the only black- skinned person there. He was called black because his hue was maybe darker than the rest of the prophets and teachers. Much like in the "African American" community, when one of our brothers or sisters have a skin tone that is darker than the rest, we sometimes give that person a nick name that describes his color. If the person's name is Michael we might call him Black Mike, or we might just call him Black, even though, we are all black-skinned. He's just been given a FRIENDLY nick name which describes him. This is why Simeon was called Niger or black.

Scripture confirms in Acts 13:1, that there were black-skinned men who were prophets and teachers at the church in Antioch. But, we must understand that the Hebrews were not dealing with any other people or racial group at this time, other than scattered Israel. It is written in Acts 11:19:

"Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen, traveled As far as Phenice and Cyprus, and Antioch, PREACHING THE WORD TO NONE BUT THE HEBREWS ONLY".

This was before the apostles ministries to the Gentiles at large started, so why were these "black" men there, if the Hebrews were a white skinned people? Simple, they were Hebrews, just like Paul who was also there with them in the church in Antioch. Remember Paul was mistaken for a "black" Egyptian. Niger and LUCIUS were prophets and teachers, and as scripture shows us, all the prophets and teachers were Hebrews.

Now, I will refer to a few historical sources that are also in agreement with scripture about the physical appearance of the Hebrews. The Romans who knew the Hebrews well, had this to say about their physical appearance.

A Roman historian named Tacitus who lived about C.E. 90 said, "Many assert that the Hebrews are an RACE OF ETHIOPIAN ORIGINS."

Once again, we have the Hebrews compared to one of HAM’S black-skinned descendants. Historian and scholar, J.A. Rogers commented, "For the Romans to have considered them Ethiopians is a clear indication of their color, because the Ethiopians are a known black people". Tacitus also said that the Hebrews were Egyptians , who left Egypt during a disease outbreak.

The Roman Emperor, Justinian the Great, who ruled basically from 527 - 564 C.E., 500 years after the time of Yahshuah, had engraved on a coin, the image of Yahshuah with woolly / kinky hair and "BLACK" features. On the obverse side of the coin there is an image of Justinian but with straight hair.

The Cambridge Encyclopedia has this particular listing about that image on the coin.

"Whatever the fact, this coin, with the straight haired Justinian on the obverse side, places beyond doubt the belief that "Jesus" was a Negro (black-skinned)."

Now, lets go back to the scripture for more information that proves the Hebrews were a black-skinned nation.

Lamentations 5:10 reads:

"OUR SKIN WAS BLACK LIKE AN OVEN BECAUSE OF THE TERRIBLE FAMINE."

Notice, it says here that the Hebrews' skin was black like an oven or charcoal black, because of the famine. When the Jews were in concentration camps in Europe during WWII, many of them were starved or in famine. Footage of them in the camps, show that their skin turned pale white. The same is true of the people in Kosov. They were in famine and their skin turned pale white, because they are also a white-skinned people. But pictures of starving people in Africa, show that their skin turns jet black or darker than its original hue.

When brown or black skinned people don't eat for a long period of time or get sick, they get dark

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

so Jesus was BLACK?

Itistoolate  posted on  2014-06-24   5:24:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Jacob (Israel) was instructed by his mother to marry his cousin(s) the daughters of Laban, his uncle (his mother's brother). His mother told him not to be like his brother Esau, and marry within his own race.

His uncle's name means TO BE WHITE.

Truthfully, everyone on earth has attempted to be "chosen" in the eyes of God. But the proof is in the pudding, as they say.

God made a list of promises to Abraham - and the only race of people that have fulfilled the promises - are Caucasians ! Either God is a liar or Caucasions were his chosen vehicle to civilize the world.

The black Hebrew thing just doesn't pan out as there isn't even one advanced and successful society on earth ruled over by blacks.

Sorry !

"Resolve to serve no more,” he says, “and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.”

Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-06-24   6:53:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: noone222, Itistoolate, Tatarewicz (#2)

["...avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain....."

the following is long. sorry. it connects some dots to show how the article contributes to the enemy's long-range plan of INTERNATIONAL STRIFE, to keep Christians divided and conquered, and to keep others from joining the church, in order that satan and his followers may rule the world....(the idea of british-israelism www.seekgod.ca/identity.htm and its partner, christian identity www.seekgod.ca/britisrael.htm , which this article proclaims, is a major part) ] .

maybe if we would define the battle as between the Word of God and the Talmud [which came out of babylon and rules the world today - http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/ultimate_delusion.htm ] we would be better off. just a thought.

Judaism vs Christianity: The War The Lamb Wins

The Talmud: The Reason Why This “War” Must Come

www.fixedearth.com/talmud.html

whovever the israelites were, sounds like God was not all that pleased with them:

22What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,… http://biblehub.com/romans/9-22.htm

Romans 9 ►

King James Bible

Paul's Concern for the Jews

1I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

God's Sovereign Choice

(Genesis 25:19-28; Malachi 1:1-5)

6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. 10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

The Calling of the Gentiles

19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

29And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Israel's Unbelief

30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and *** whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/9.htm

Sons Through Faith in Christ

Galatians 3:26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.…

http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-26.htm

Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 And if you are Christ's then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs to the promise. http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-29.htm

http://biblehub.com/kj2000/galatians/3.htm

Cross References

Matthew 3:9

And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

Romans 4:13

It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.

http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-29.htm

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okay, here it comes....."

**** Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. http://biblehub.com/titus/3-9.htm

1 Timothy 4:3As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, 4nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. 5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.…http://biblehub.com/1_timothy/1-4.htm :

our enemies are loving this, and MOST LIKELY behind it ["...racial strife is our most powerful weapon...." search]:

GCongress> Flashback 1940: US Congressional Record on The British-Zionist Israel World Federation Plan, steps towards a totalitarian World State and *** International Strife

"In the late 1930s, the British Israel World Federation Movement's Destiny Magazine published articles identifying September 17, 2001 as the target date for beginning their planned global theocratic state -- a"Kingdom of Heaven on Earth."

Jordan Maxwell presents the following ultra-high-resolution scans of the ORIGINAL ARTICLES so you can see for yourself what these people have been talking privately about for generations in their own publications.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/arc....html?s=6e8648920a0ca9239 246f176f75992a1

Proceedings from the U.S. Congressional Record of 1940 discussing how the British have been subverting the American government.

PDF Link (http://wayback.archive.org/web/*...ell.com/documents/US-Cong ressional-Record-1940-British-Israel-World-Government__OCRv0.1.pdf <http://wayback.archive.org/web/*...ll.com/documents/US-Congr essional-Record-1940-British-Israel-World-Government__OCRv0.1.pdf> )

Steps Toward British Union, a World State, and International Strife-Part I

REMARKS of HON. J. THORKELSON OF MONTANA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Monday, August 19.1940

Mr. THORKELSON. Mr. Speaker, In order that the American people may have a clearer understanding of those who over a period of years have been undermining this Republic, in order to return it to the British Empire, I have inserted in the RECORD a number of articles to prove this point.

These articles are entitled "Steps Toward British Union, a World State, and International Strife." This is part I, and in this I include a hope expressed by Mr. Andrew Carnegie, in his book entitled "Triumphant Democracy." In this he expresses himself in this manner:

"Let men say what they will, I say that as surely as the sun in the heavens once shone upon Britain and America united, so surely is it one morning to rise, to shine upon, to greet again the reunited states-the British-American Union."

This statement is clear, and the organizations which Mr. Carnegie endowed have spent millions in order to bring this about. This thing has been made possible by scholarships, exchange professors, subsidies of churches, subsidies of educational institutions; all of them working for the purpose of eliminating Americanism as was taught once in our schools and to gradually exchange this for an English version of our history.

These organizations were organized to bring about a British union, a union in which the United States would again become a part of the British Empire. However, this has been upset to some extent by the attempt of the internationalists to establish their own government as an International or world union. And there is, therefore, a conflict between the two, for England wants a British union, with America as a colony, and the international money changers want a Jewish controlled union, in order to establish their own world government.

It is, therefore, best for us to stay out of both of these, in order to save what is left of this Republic as it was given to us in 1787, by a people who knew more about international intrigue and the real problems that confronted the world, than we know today. These early founders not only understood the problems, but in drafting the Constitution they provided an instrument for us to follow, so that we could remain secure from foreign double-dealing and intrigue.

Congressional PDF: search in <http://>http://www.archive.org> http://www.archive.org http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/doc...-Record-1940-British-Isra el-World-Government__OCRv0.1.pdf

What You Need to Know About the British Israel World Federation Movement <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/index.html> Page 1 <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/index.html> http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/art...british-israel/index.html <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/british-israel-2.htm> Page 2 <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/british-israel-2.htm> http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/art...rael/british-israel-2.htm <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/british-israel-3.htm> Page 3 <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/british-israel-3.htm> http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/art...rael/british-israel-3.htm

The following two images are taken from the Congressional Record of the United States of America, 76th Congress, Third Session, dated April 19, 1940.

To download the complete document, <http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/doc...l-Record-1940-British-Isr ael-World-Government__OCRv0.1.pdf> Click here.

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/doc...-Record-1940-British-Isra el-World-Government__OCRv0.1.pdf

Steps Toward British Union, a World State, and International Strife

http://web.archive.org/web/20101...anmaxwell.com/articles/br itish-israel/images/congressional-record-2.jpg

http://www.cephas-library.com/british-israel-2.html

What You Need to Know About the British Israel World Federation Movement

In the late 1930s, the British Israel World Federation Movement's Destiny Magazine published articles identifying September 2001 as the target date for beginning their planned global theocratic state -- a"Kingdom of Heaven on Earth."......" In the late 1930s, the British Israel World Federation Movement's Destiny Magazine published articles identifying September 17, 2001 as the target date for beginning their planned global theocratic state -- a"Kingdom of Heaven on Earth."

Jordan Maxwell presents the following ultra-high-resolution scans of the ORIGINAL ARTICLES so you can see for yourself what these people have been talking privately about for generations in their own publications.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/arc....html?s=6e8648920a0ca9239 246f176f75992a1

Proceedings from the U.S. Congressional Record of 1940 discussing how the British have been subverting the American government.

PDF Link (http://wayback.archive.org/web/*...ell.com/documents/US-Cong ressional-Record-1940-British-Israel-World-Government__OCRv0.1.pdf <http://wayback.archive.org/web/*...ll.com/documents/US-Congr essional-Record-1940-British-Israel-World-Government__OCRv0.1.pdf> )

Steps Toward British Union, a World State, and International Strife-Part I

REMARKS of HON. J. THORKELSON OF MONTANA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Monday, August 19.1940

Mr. THORKELSON. Mr. Speaker, In order that the American people may have a clearer understanding of those who over a period of years have been undermining this Republic, in order to return it to the British Empire, I have inserted in the RECORD a number of articles to prove this point.

These articles are entitled "Steps Toward British Union, a World State, and International Strife." This is part I, and in this I include a hope expressed by Mr. Andrew Carnegie, in his book entitled "Triumphant Democracy." In this he expresses himself in this manner:

"Let men say what they will, I say that as surely as the sun in the heavens once shone upon Britain and America united, so surely is it one morning to rise, to shine upon, to greet again the reunited states-the British-American Union."

This statement is clear, and the organizations which Mr. Carnegie endowed have spent millions in order to bring this about. This thing has been made possible by scholarships, exchange professors, subsidies of churches, subsidies of educational institutions; all of them working for the purpose of eliminating Americanism as was taught once in our schools and to gradually exchange this for an English version of our history.

These organizations were organized to bring about a British union, a union in which the United States would again become a part of the British Empire. However, this has been upset to some extent by the attempt of the internationalists to establish their own government as an International or world union. And there is, therefore, a conflict between the two, for England wants a British union, with America as a colony, and the international money changers want a Jewish controlled union, in order to establish their own world government.

It is, therefore, best for us to stay out of both of these, in order to save what is left of this Republic as it was given to us in 1787, by a people who knew more about international intrigue and the real problems that confronted the world, than we know today. These early founders not only understood the problems, but in drafting the Constitution they provided an instrument for us to follow, so that we could remain secure from foreign double-dealing and intrigue.

Congressional PDF: search in <http://>http://www.archive.org> http://www.archive.org http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/doc...-Record-1940-British-Isra el-World-Government__OCRv0.1.pdf

What You Need to Know About the British Israel World Federation Movement <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/index.html> Page 1 <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/index.html> http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/art...british-israel/index.html <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/british-israel-2.htm> Page 2 <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/british-israel-2.htm> http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/art...rael/british-israel-2.htm <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/british-israel-3.htm> Page 3 <http://>http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/british-israel-3.htm> http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/art...rael/british-israel-3.htm

The following two images are taken from the Congressional Record of the United States of America, 76th Congress, Third Session, dated April 19, 1940.

To download the complete document, <http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/doc...l-Record-1940-British-Isr ael-World-Government__OCRv0.1.pdf> Click here.

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/doc...-Record-1940-British-Isra el-World-Government__OCRv0.1.pdf

Steps Toward British Union, a World State, and International Strife

http://web.archive.org/web/20101...anmaxwell.com/articles/br itish-israel/images/congressional-record-2.jpg

http://www.cephas-library.com/british-israel-2.html

What You Need to Know About the British Israel World Federation Movement

In the late 1930s, the British Israel World Federation Movement's Destiny Magazine published articles identifying September 2001 as the target date for beginning their planned global theocratic state -- a"Kingdom of Heaven on Earth."

"....HOLLYWOOD

07-07-2008, 10:43 AM

The British, Their Centuries of Oppression, Death, and Thievery continues today. Blair & Brown are examples of Panderers just like Obama and McLieberman.

I love how the British government gets everyone else to resolve their International disputes and wars.

We declared and Independence from this tyranny and formed a CONSTITUTION to protect the people from such governments in the future.

All that has changed... The American TAXPAYERS don't realize the BILLIONS the U.S. government Subsidize the UK Military machine now. Yes, the inside deals for the UK to back the American Onslaught of the middle east, as well as financial control of the world.

British-Zionist-American: ABSOLUTE POWER... CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY!...."

constitutionalgov.us/pipe...us/2012-April/025783.html

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"Wikipedia: British-Israel-World Federation

The British-Israel-World Federation is an organization that was founded in London July 3 1919, although its roots can be traced back to the 19th century. At one time this organization enjoyed the patronage of members of the British Establishment including HRH Princess Alice of Athlone, the Duke of Buccleuch Kt., the Rt. Hon. the Earl of Dysart, the Rt. Hon. the Countess-Dowager of Radnor, the Rt. Hon. Lord Gisborough, and the Rt. Hon. W F Massey (Prime Minister of New Zealand).

Background

The British-Israel-World Federation was born as a movement in the 19th century and federated in 1919 during the days when the "sun never set" on the British Empire. From 1924, the organization maintained an office next to Buckingham Palace. In 1990, it moved to Putney on the Thames, but since 2003 has been based near Bishop Auckland in Co Durham. British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is the belief that people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. The concept often includes the belief that the British Royal Family is directly descended from the line of King David. There has never been a single head or an organisational structure to the movement. Adherents may hold a diverse set of beliefs and claims that are ancillary to the core genealogical theory.

The central tenets of British Israelism contradict modern genetic, linguistic, archeological and historical evidence. They are considered to be without scientific credibility. The concept and theory details have been thoroughly criticized....."

[continues with more "british-israel" useless genealogy plots....]

"....The Building Race acts to Pattern

The Covenant Nations Act to Pattern In the Siege of Civilization

A Change of Times is now Evident

EVER since 19th March, 1994, when the Covenant Nations began their "Exodus," or separation from bondage under man made systems - defined as "The Field of Mixed Seed," - there has been a countdown taking place to when the change of times becomes evident. On 11th September, 2001 the terrorist attack on the United States made certain that this change would begin to be implemented at an early date -- that date was 19th-20th March, 2003 when the military action for the liberation of Iraq began. It came 9 years exactly, the judgment number, from the separation point for the Servant People from the Gentile systems that have been under final judgment since 1936.

www.britishisrael.co.uk/old/articles/08.htm.

"...The Covenant Nations and the Challenge of Righteous Action

The Need for National Prayer when Acting Against the Spirits of Evil

These are difficult days for the Covenant Nations in Iraq and in the war against the forces of international terrorism. The global media send shaming photographs around the world in an instant, which enflame feelings among those we are trying to win over to the cause of righteousness. As a result, barbaric reprisals are taken against our people on the ground in Iraq who are there to help the people rebuild the country after thirty-five years of suppression by brutal dictatorship. In these circumstances there is a vital need for the nation under God, when acting against the spirits of evil, which is the need of regular National Prayer.

PRESIDENT BUSH was asked recently if he spoke to his father before launching the war on Iraq. In reply he indicated that it was not his earthly father that he spoke to, but his heavenly father. [must be LUCIFER] After his restrained public apology for the behaviour of U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison, George W. Bush attended a ceremony commemorating America’s National Day of Prayer. If Great Britain marked such a day on its national calendar, it might become accepted again as great in its moral stance before the nations.

www.britishisrael.co.uk/old/articles/13.htm ..."

"...The Anglo-American Establishment

- Carroll Quigley, 1949

Product Description

Quigley exposes the secret society's established in London in 1891, by Cecil Rhodes. Quigley explains how these men worked in union to begin their society to control the world. He explains how all the wars from that time were deliberately created to control the economies of all the nations...."

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/sho...rked-For-a-Start-Date-NWO

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Forget the Protocols -- Here Is a Published Jewish [Talmudic] Plan

"...the Christian Church is still alive...We must destroy it without the least delay and without the slightest mercy. Most of the Press in the world is under our Control; let us therefore encourage in a still more violent way the hatred of the world against the Christian Church. Let us intensify our activities in poisoning the morality of the Gentiles. Let us spread the spirit of revolution in the minds of the people. They must be made to despise Patriotism and the love of their family, to consider their faith as a humbug, their obedience to their Christ as a degrading servility, so that they become deaf to the appeal of the Church and blind to her warnings against us. Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized. Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World...And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown..." (From a series of speeches at the B'nai B'rith Convention in Paris, published shortly afterwards in the London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; Paris Le Reveil du Peuple published similar account a little later).

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/...APublishedJewishPlan.html

in case anyone is wondering, i am white.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2014-06-24   11:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#3)

And there is, therefore, a conflict between the two, for England wants a British union, with America as a colony, and the international money changers want a Jewish controlled union, in order to establish their own world government.

No such straight talk is allowed to exist these days. As far as trying to convince anyone of anything about God, I choose to let them pray about it, do the research and determine for themselves the truth. I suspect that God "is no respecter of persons".

So many of the religious debates rage without resolution because God Almighty is the owner of truth and everything (everyone) else.

"Resolve to serve no more,” he says, “and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.”

Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-06-24   12:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#4)

I don't even think it's a secret that trade negotiators are trying to harmonize laws in member countries. Laws same. Banks same. Military strategies coordinated. Spying coordinated.

Sounds like a government to me, and a lot of other people who don't like globalism.

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-24   12:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deasy (#5)

I don't even think it's a secret that trade negotiators are trying to harmonize laws in member countries. Laws same. Banks same. Military strategies coordinated. Spying coordinated.

In my opinion, the world is a stage and its actors (all government leaders) are told what to do by their director (international bankers).

"Resolve to serve no more,” he says, “and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.”

Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-06-24   12:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: noone222 (#6)

The same Federal Reserve banking system is now used as the model for most banks in the western world as far as I know (could be wrong in some cases). The problems are many but big government thrives on fungible money supplies. It's as old as money itself, but modern banking creates money with computers instead of shaving coins or other such games.

People demand:

  1. To be protected.
  2. To be sheltered and fed.
  3. To be educated.
  4. To be employed.
The government and its banker allies comply, at a price. They comply at a price that twists the meaning of the above four items, too. The price just happens to be going up all the time.

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-24   12:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deasy (#7)

Not only does the funny money system skim the nation's savings making everyone a slave the fact that we have altered our monetary system has also destroyed our Constitutional system of law.

In fact, the medium of exchange determines the "choice of law" and the Constitution doesn't allow commercial paper/instruments. The Constitution is an all or nothing document that demands we use real money (gold or silver coin). We are under commercial law because our nation utilizes commercial paper as do all western nations. Commercial law requires either the exchange of commercial paper to conduct business or an agreement (license/permit) in order to make one liable under the law.

"Resolve to serve no more,” he says, “and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.”

Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-06-24   13:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Exodus 12:40Now the time that the sons of Israel lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. 41And at the end of four hundred and thirty years, to the very day, all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt. http://biblehub.com/exodus/12-41.htm

ISRAEL IN THE LAND OF EGYPT

The history of the Israelite nation began in Egypt, the land of Ham. They entered Egypt 66 in number, (not including Joseph, his wife and two sons who were already in Egypt), and left numbering over two million people. Ancient Israel spent 430 years in Egypt. For *** half that time they enjoyed good favor with the Egyptians, but for the remainder of those years they were enslaved and horribly mistreated by them.

this was the most interesting part of the article in my mind, because it agrees with my belief that Exodus 12:40-41 does NOT fulfill Genesis 15:13-14, but that that promise belongs to ANOTHER PEOPLE:

Genesis 15:12And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. 13And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

http://biblehub.com/genesis/15-13.htm / http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/15.htm

I believe the promise is fulfilled in Christians, and in their promised land, which I believe to be America [or properly, Beulah, Isaiah 62:4, meaning "married", : http://biblehub.com/isaiah/62-4.htm see also:

A New Heaven and a New Earth

1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,… http://biblehub.com/revelation/21-2.htm

"heaven and earth" to the Jews was THE TEMPLE:

"..Every Jew knew that the “Heaven and the Earth” was the temple. That’s what Jesus meant when He said that “Heaven and Earth” would pass but that His word would not pass. That is the prophecy of Isaiah 65: the New Jerusalem that came out of Heaven, the new “Heaven and Earth” that John spoke about in Revelation 21 when he said he saw a new Heaven and Earth and no more sea. What John was saying was that there was no more separation, no more exclusivity. Now God’s kingdom was open to all.

The destruction of Jerusalem and the physical destruction of the old temple by the Roman armies was a signal that God’s kingdom was now in place. Christ predicted in Matthew 24 what would happen, and the truth is that what happened in Jerusalem in the times of Titus—the Roman who destroyed Jerusalem—you cannot find anything else in history to match it for horrible events....."

historicist.info/articles2/globalelite.htm

as there is a new testament/covenant, so there is a new people [christian] WHICH IS THE TEMPLE:

2 Corinthians 6:16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. ]

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now back to the "seed of Abraham" in Genesis 15:13-14:

Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.....

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/galatians/3.htm

http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-28.htm

http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-29.htm

and HERE is where the proof is in the pudding concerning Genesis 15:13-14:

land married to Christ [Christians in their promised land, where Christ's standard, the cross, was planted, http://biblehub.com/isaiah/11-12.htm , a land not their own, where they have been afflicted for about 400 years]:

The Enduring Legacy of the First Landing http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/

again.... the seed of Abraham [Christians Galatians 3:29] "shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; fulfilled in the Judeo-British Empire:

THE UNITED STATES. IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY EXTORTING TAXES FOR THE CROWN! http://www.apfn.org/apfn/bcolony.htm / http://www.apfn.org/apfn/queen.htm

Jeremiah 23:7"Therefore behold, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when they will no longer say, 'As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt,' 8but, 'As the LORD lives, who brought up and led back the descendants of the household of Israel from the north land and from all the countries where I had driven them.' Then they will live on their own soil." http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/23-7.htm

Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

John 10:16"I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd." http://biblehub.com/john/10-16.htm

Jesus Binds the Two Sticks [the remnant along with the "other sheep"] in their new land [they are now "one" in His hand http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-28.htm ]:

Ezekiel 37: 13And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

One Nation with One King

15The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, 16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions: 17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. 18And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these? 19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. 20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. 21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: 23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant ["everywhere your foot shall tread...as far as the Great Sea toward the setting of the sun will be your territory." (the world)biblehub.com/joshua/1-3.htm / Galatians 3:29], wherein your fathers have dwelt [ who discovered america: the ancient israelites did: http://hope-of-israel.org/hebinusa.htm ]; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. 26Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. 27My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore. http://biblehub.com/kjv/ezekiel/37.htm

see also 2 Samuel 7:10; Ezekiel 34/John 10.

Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament: Isaiah 9:6-7, and...

The Church is Israel Now http://www.preteristarchive.com/...provan-charles_dd_01.html

...the promises belong to Christians now, and i think it follows America is their promised land, their New Israel/New Jerusalem/Zion/Beulah; Jesus having once and in many quarters still, thought to be their King, the old israel never having thought that...."crucify Him, we have no king but caesar."

This is why there has a been a secret, long-drawn-out holy war against America. See Psalm 2 for starters.

hopefully, our deliverance draweth nigh, and those not on board will take heed, there will be a separation of the wheat and tares.

2 Samuel 7:10

Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, http://biblehub.com/2_samuel/7-10.htm

Isaiah 10:26The LORD of hosts will arouse a scourge against him like the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb; and His staff will be over the sea and He will lift it up the way He did in Egypt. 27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing. http://biblehub.com/isaiah/10-27.htm

The Parable of the Weeds Explained

…Matthew 13:40"So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.… http://biblehub.com/matthew/13-41.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2014-06-24   15:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: noone222 (#8)

The Constitution is an all or nothing document that demands we use real money (gold or silver coin). We are under commercial law because our nation utilizes commercial paper...

...because they stole our gold and silver and sent it to "Babylon" [the queen has acknowledged The City of London as "Babylon the Great"].

"Our gold" is really God's gold: "the silver is mine and the gold is mine, says the Lord" http://biblehub.com/haggai/2-8.htm , in fact as you say, "the earth is the Lord's, and everything in it.]

Hopefully, we are about to repeat history in that case, all Scripture being given as an example:

Belshazzar's Impious Feast

Daniel 5:1Belshazzar the king made a great feast to a thousand of his lords, and drank wine before the thousand. 2Belshazzar, whiles he tasted the wine, commanded to bring the golden and silver vessels which his father Nebuchadnezzar had taken out of the temple which was in Jerusalem; that the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, might drink therein. 3Then they brought the golden vessels that were taken out of the temple of the house of God which was at Jerusalem; and the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, drank in them. 4They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone.

The Handwriting on the Wall

5In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote. 6Then the king's countenance was changed, and his thoughts troubled him, so that the joints of his loins were loosed, and his knees smote one against another. 7The king cried aloud to bring in the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers. And the king spake, and said to the wise men of Babylon, Whosoever shall read this writing, and shew me the interpretation thereof, shall be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about his neck, and shall be the third ruler in the kingdom. 8Then came in all the king's wise men: but they could not read the writing, nor make known to the king the interpretation thereof. 9Then was king Belshazzar greatly troubled, and his countenance was changed in him, and his lords were astonied.

10Now the queen, by reason of the words of the king and his lords, came into the banquet house: and the queen spake and said, O king, live for ever: let not thy thoughts trouble thee, nor let thy countenance be changed: 11There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers; 12Forasmuch as an excellent spirit, and knowledge, and understanding, interpreting of dreams, and shewing of hard sentences, and dissolving of doubts, were found in the same Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar: now let Daniel be called, and he will shew the interpretation.

Daniel Interprets the Handwriting

13Then was Daniel brought in before the king. And the king spake and said unto Daniel, Art thou that Daniel, which art of the children of the captivity of Judah, whom the king my father brought out of Jewry? 14I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee. 15And now the wise men, the astrologers, have been brought in before me, that they should read this writing, and make known unto me the interpretation thereof: but they could not shew the interpretation of the thing: 16And I have heard of thee, that thou canst make interpretations, and dissolve doubts: now if thou canst read the writing, and make known to me the interpretation thereof, thou shalt be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about thy neck, and shalt be the third ruler in the kingdom.

17Then Daniel answered and said before the king, Let thy gifts be to thyself, and give thy rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation. 18O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour: 19And for the majesty that he gave him, all people, nations, and languages, trembled and feared before him: whom he would he slew; and whom he would he kept alive; and whom he would he set up; and whom he would he put down. 20But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him: 21And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will. 22And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this; 23But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them; and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified: 24Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written.

25And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. 27TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. 28PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

29Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.

30In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain. 31And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/daniel/5.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2014-06-24   16:05:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: noone222 (#8)

Rome, where Christianity matured, saw itself as a global empire. Westerners have long since idealized Rome and sought to recreate its splendor and geographic power.

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-25   8:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

"Our gold" is really God's gold: "the silver is mine and the gold is mine, says the Lord" http://biblehub.com/haggai/2-8.htm , in fact as you say, "the earth is the Lord's, and everything in it.]

The underlying problem with paper "promises" to pay is that there is no expectation of payment (as they are backed by nothing). These FRNs and other forms of commercial paper are traded and the immediate debt is "discharged" rather than "extinguished" as occurs when payment is made with honest money, which allows "usurious interest" to accumulate on the paper currency ... and that is how America has allegedly become 17 Trillion in debt and the Constitution a moot point. Deuteronomy 25:13-16

King James Version (KJV)

13 Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and a small. (Paper currency is inflated/deflated).

14 Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small.

15 But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

16 For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the Lord thy God.

Proverbs 11:1

King James Version (KJV)

11 A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight.

Proverbs 20:23

King James Version (KJV)

23 Divers weights are an abomination unto the Lord; and a false balance is not good.

"Resolve to serve no more,” he says, “and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.”

Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-06-25   8:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deasy (#11)

Yes, Rome, where religion was imposed at the point of a centurion's sword - a religion whose chief assignment was always service to the state.

For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. - Romans

Yards of ahistorical bible-spam will not entice me.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2014-06-25   8:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deasy (#11)

Rome, where Christianity matured, saw itself as a global empire. Westerners have long since idealized Rome and sought to recreate its splendor and geographic power.

The "gods" depicted in the Capitol Dome (Washington D.C.) are the pagan "gods of Rome.

"Resolve to serve no more,” he says, “and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.”

Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-06-25   9:03:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: noone222, randge (#14)

Created after the Civil War, remember.

Deasy  posted on  2014-06-25   9:12:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Deasy (#15)

Created after the Civil War, remember.

By a guy that also did work at the Vatican !

"Resolve to serve no more,” he says, “and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.”

Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-06-25   13:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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