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Title: Letter from Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) to Vice President Cheney regarding NSA domestic wiretapping, July 17th 2003.
Source:
Talking Points Memo
URL Source: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/rock-cheney1.html
Published: Dec 19, 2005
Author: Sen. Jay Rockefeller
Post Date: 2005-12-19 21:01:38 by Zipporah
Keywords: wiretapping,, Rockefeller, President
Views: 80
Comments: 22
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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)
"I am retaining a copy of this in a sealed envelope...." interesting.
War is good for business. Invest your son.
But how did he vote on the Patriot Act?
All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting. ~George Orwell regarding the dumping of Bush ping!
All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting. ~George Orwell Wow..interesting.
Obviously he sees the legality as very questionable and is covering his a** in case this goes to prosecution.
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Republican Sens. Arlen Specter and Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and Mike DeWine and George Voinovich of Ohio were among those who voted to end debate, while Democratic Sens. Robert Byrd and Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia opposed the cutoff. Seems he's in support..
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As I understand it, those voting to end debate (invoking "cloture" which requires 60 votes) are the ones in favor of Bush's point of view on the Patriot Act.
Interesting though that Rockefeller even though in support of the PA is trying to distance himself from Bush's order to spy on American citizens.. obviously he had reservations as to the legality.
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I don't see how you can draw the conclusion that Sen. Rockefeller is in favor of the reauthorization of the Patriot Act. He is voting on the same side as Sen. Byrd and on the opposite side of Sen. Santorum. He and Byrd are holding up an actual vote on the reauthorization. Thus they have temporarily killed the reauthorization.
I mustve misread the article as I only read a portion of it.. and your comment..
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And I should add in listening to the senate discussion on C-Span and Schumer's comment I came to a wrong conclusion.
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Note that Rockefeller wrote this letter to Cheney.
Hadnt considered that.. so.. then did Bush just rubberstamp this by authorizing it?
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Just for a memory recall from http://geocities.com/totalinformationawareness/: "The Total Information Awareness (TIA) program is a project of the Information Awareness Office (IAO), which is under the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), part of the Defense Department. In January 2002, former Reagan administration national security advisor John Poindexter was appointed to be the director of the newly-formed IAO. Here is how the Washington Post's Robert O'Harrow Jr. described Poindexter's past in a 11/12/02 news article: "[Poindexter] was convicted in 1990 of five felony counts of lying to Congress, destroying official documents and obstructing congressional inquiries into the Iran-contra affair, which involved the secret sale of arms to Iran in the mid-1980s and diversion of profits to help the contra rebels in Nicaragua. Poindexter, a retired Navy rear admiral, was the highest-ranking Reagan administration official found guilty in the scandal. He was sentenced to six months in jail by a federal judge who called him "the decision-making head" of a scheme to deceive Congress. The U.S. Court of Appeals overturned that conviction in 1991, saying Poindexter's rights had been violated through the use of testimony he had given to Congress after being granted immunity." Also check out: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:1RwCtfWyGlYJ:www.hereinreality.com/bigbrother.html+%22John+Poindexter%22&hl=en And I'd like to know what right convicted felons have to be monitoring US!!!!????
Bravo for this letter seeing the light of day. But, it begs the question...........how did it get out? If Jay was so afraid of breaking some sort of "Code of Illegal, Secretive Conduct" back then, how did it get out of his sealed envelope? Maybe this is common knowledge, but I haven't heard any of it.
And being used as propagandists i.e. Oliver North on Fox.. War Stories.. Thanks for the link.. I thought it odd that NO one in Congress etc.. brought up Negroponte's past.. all they do is rubber stamp this crap..
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Good question.. the link didnt at the time I posted this mention how this document got released.
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As Storm Rises Over Spy Program, Rockefeller Releases 2003 Note
Thanks for the link.. now we know the answer..
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Only one case has been appealed by the government to the FISA appellate court from the FISA court. The appellate court's opinion is In re Sealed Case, 310 F.3d 717 (For.Intel.Surv.Rev. 2002), and I am reading it now. I've gotten to the part where the court upholds the procedures of FISA as amended by the Patriot Act against a Fourth Amendment challenge. It does so on the basis that FISA court approval meets the elements that the Supreme Court has required for meeting the warrant requirement of the Fourth Amendment: (1) the warrant is issued by neutral, disinterested magistrates; (2) the government has to demonstrate probable cause; and (3) the warrants describes the things to be seized and the place to be searched with particularity. Clearly, Bush's secret eavesdropping does not meet all three of those requirements. Indeed, it may not meet a single one of them. It thus seems clearly to violate the Fourth Amendment.
Thank you. So now we know........... And more so, we're finding that those who did know, other than the buttbots, were all questioning. And, if the truth was known, there is probably someone in the buttbots that questioned it--at least in their minds. There is no way in hell you can convince me that these buttbots would go along with this bullshit had we been saying, President Clinton!
Well since Bush has made the statement that the Constitution is a GD piece of paper, seems that violating it didnt bother him much.. wonder if he'll really be cursing it if the congress and senate does the right thing in this.. but of late they dont seem to concerned with their oath of office.
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#2. To: Zipporah (#0)
#3. To: Eoghan (#0)
#4. To: robin (#3)
“kol Yisrael areivim zeh b’zeh"
#5. To: christine (#1)
"I am retaining a copy of this in a sealed envelope...."
#6. To: robin (#2)
The refusal by 46 senators to end debate on the act's renewal led to a standoff yesterday between Republican leaders allied with the White House and senators of both parties who want more time to make changes to the House-Senate compromise. Supporters needed 60 votes to end debate and proceed to a vote on the reauthorization.
#7. To: Zipporah (#6)
#8. To: Sam Houston (#7)
#9. To: Zipporah (#8)
#10. To: Sam Houston (#9)
#11. To: Sam Houston (#9)
#12. To: Zipporah (#0)
#13. To: aristeides (#12)
#14. To: Zipporah (#0)
John Poindexter TIA
#15. To: Zipporah (#0)
#16. To: mehitable (#14)
And I'd like to know what right convicted felons have to be monitoring US!!!!????
#17. To: rowdee (#15)
But, it begs the question...........how did it get out? If Jay was so afraid of breaking some sort of "Code of Illegal, Secretive Conduct" back then, how did it get out of his sealed envelope?
#18. To: Zipporah, rowdee (#17)
“kol Yisrael areivim zeh b’zeh"
#19. To: Eoghan (#18)
#20. To: Zipporah (#19)
#21. To: Eoghan (#18)
#22. To: aristeides (#20)
Clearly, Bush's secret eavesdropping does not meet all three of those requirements. Indeed, it may not meet a single one of them. It thus seems clearly to violate the Fourth Amendment.
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