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Title: PENTAGON - "Every financial transaction of every American is now recorded and monitored by the federal government. Any bank transaction, all credit card charges plus phone records, credit reports, travel and even health records are captured in real time by the DARPA computers"
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Capitol Hill Blue
URL Source: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi- ... c/view.cgi?archive=32&num=4648
Published: Jun 7, 2004
Author: TERESA HAMPTON & DOUG THOMPSON
Post Date: 2005-12-20 01:54:09 by Uncle Bill
Keywords: transaction,, transaction, government.
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Capitol Hill Blue Customers of the Bank of America branch at 3625 Fairfax Drive in Arlington, Virginia, often wonder about the Arlington police car that is always parked in front of the building in the next block. They also can’t help but notice the two armed guards from the private Cantwell Security Service who patrol the street in front of the building and eye each passerby warily. “What’s going on across the street?” one woman asked while waiting in line to deposit her paycheck last Friday. “Not sure,” said the man ahead of her in line. “Something to do with the government. The police cars and guards have been there since shortly after 9-11.” “Oh,” she said. “No matter.” Actually, if the woman knew what was happening inside the nondescript office building at 3701 Fairfax Drive, she might think it really does matter because the building houses the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Project Agency’s Total Information Awareness Program, the “big brother” program Congress thought it killed. When the woman in line deposited her paycheck at the Bank of America branch, a record of that deposit showed up immediately in the computer databanks in the office across the street, just as financial, travel and other personal transactions of virtually every American do millions of time every minute. Despite Congressional action cutting funding, and the resignation of the program’s controversial director, retired admiral John Poindexter, DARPA’s TIA program is alive and well and prying into the personal business of Americans 24 hours a day, seven days a week. “When Congress cut the funding, the Pentagon – with administration approval – simply moved the program into a ‘black bag’ account,” says a security consultant who worked on the DARPA project. “Black bag programs don’t require Congressional approval and are exempt from traditional oversight.” DARPA also hired private contractors to fill many of the roles in the program, which helped evade detection by Congressional auditors. Using a private security firm like Cantwell, instead of the Federal Protective Service, helped keep TIA off the radar screen. DARPA moved into the Arlington County building shortly after the September 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and established the TIA project under the USA Patriot Act and a number of executive orders from President George W. Bush. TIA’s mission was to build a giant computer database with real time access to bank records, credit card companies, airlines and other travel companies, credit bureaus and other data banks to monitor, in real time, the financial transactions and travel of Americans and foreign citizens with accounts at the institutions. Under provisions of the USA Patriot Act, the banks and other companies were forced to allow DARPA to access their files, a move normally considered an invasion of privacy. When news of TIA first surfaced in 2002, along with the appointment of Poindexter, a key-figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, as director, citizens’ watchdog groups and some members of Congress took a second look. The uproar that followed led to the resignation of Poindexter, who had lied to Congress during the Iran-Contra investigation, and the elimination of funding for TIA. But Congress left the door open by supplying DARPA with research funding to develop data mining alternatives to TIA. Instead, the Bush administration instructed the Pentagon to move TIA into the convert area of black bag operations and Congress was cut out of the loop. Lt. Col. Doug Dyer, a program manager for DARPA, defends TIA as a necessary sacrifice in the war on terrorism. “Americans must trade some privacy for security,” he says. “Three thousand people died on 9/11. When you consider the potential effect of a terrorist attack against the privacy of an entire population, there has to be some trade-off.” The trade off means virtually every financial transaction of every American is now recorded and monitored by the federal government. Any bank transaction, all credit card charges plus phone records, credit reports, travel and even health records are captured in real time by the DARPA computers. “Basically, TIA builds a profile of every American who has a bank account, uses credit cards and has a credit record,” says security expert Allen Banks. “The profile establishes norms based on the person’s spending and travel habits. Then the system looks for patterns that break from the norms, such of purchases of materials that are considered likely for terrorist activity, travel to specific areas or a change in spending habits.” Patterns that fit pre-defined criteria result in an investigative alert and the individual becomes a “person of interest” who is referred to the Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security, Banks says. Such data mining is also called “database profiling” and is prohibited under Fourth Amendment’s guarantee against invasion of privacy says Barry Steinhardt, director of the Technology and Liberty Program at the American Civil Liberties Union. Steinhardt points out the information is already being used to create “no fly” lists of people who are thought to be a danger but that safeguards are not in place to insure the accuracy of the information. “Once you get on a ‘no-fly’ list, how do you get off it?” Steinhardt asks. Missouri Congressman William Clay, ranking minority member of the House Committee on Government Reform's Subcommittee on Technology, Information Policy, and Intergovernmental Relations, worries that DARPA is skirting the law by letting private contractors handle the data mining. "The agencies involved in data mining are trying to skirt the Privacy Act by claiming that they hold no data," said Clay. Instead, they use private companies to maintain and sift through the data, he said. "Technically, that gets them out from under the Privacy Act," he said. "Ethically, it does not." When the Senate voted in 2003 to cut funding for TIA, Senators like Ron Wyden of Oregon thought they had put a stop to the problem. "This makes it clear that Congress wants to make sure there is no snooping on law-abiding Americans," Wyden said after the vote. But it didn’t. The Bush Administration, already recognized as one of the most secretive Presidencies in modern times, simply put the program under wraps and let it continue. When Congress voted to cut the funded, the operation at 3701 Fairfax Drive should have shut down and Arlington County should have returned the officers assigned there to normal duty. However, the officers remained in place and additional security was added to the detail. According to construction records on file in the Arlington County building and zoning office, more than 20 high-speed data lines have been installed at the location in the last 18 months. Microwave data antennas are also installed on the roof. Pentagon spokesmen refuse to discuss what is happening in the building, citing "national security" as the reason. When quized about TIA earlier, DARPA officials insist they have safeguards to prevent abuses but the record suggests otherwise. “Given the military's legacy of privacy abuses, such vague assurances are cold comfort,” says Gene Healy, senior editor of the CATO Institute in Washington. “During World War I, concerns about German saboteurs led to unrestrained domestic spying by U.S. Army intelligence operatives,” says Healy. “Army spies were given free reign to gather information on potential subversives, and were often empowered to make arrests as special police officers. Occasionally, they carried false identification as employees of public utilities to allow them, as the chief intelligence officer for the Western Department put it, ‘to enter offices or residences of suspects gracefully, and thereby obtain data.’” In her book Army Surveillance in America, historian Joan M. Jensen noted, “What began as a system to protect the government from enemy agents became a vast surveillance system to watch civilians who violated no law but who objected to wartime policies or to the war itself.” The Army’s recent debacle with treatment of Iraqi prisoners also suggests the American military system lacks either the ability or the restraint to police itself. “There's a long and troubling history of military surveillance in this country,” Healy adds. “That history suggests that we should loathe allowing the Pentagon access to our personal information.” While TIA allows the government to snoop on American citizens, experts in the data mining field say it won’t help fight terrorism. "Terrorism is an adaptive problem,” Herb Edelstein, president of data-mining company Two Crows. said in an interview published by Wired News. “It's pretty unlikely the next terrorist attack will be people hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings.” Other experts say the chances for mistakes are huge. “The order of magnitude of errors from inferences is huge, something like ten to the third power,” Paul Hawken, author of The Ecology of Commerce and the chairman of information mapping software company Groxis, has said in interviews with other publications. DARPA tried to interest Groxis in becoming part of the TIA project but the company declined, saying the project was neither feasible nor ethical. Hawken told Wired he knows people with the National Security Agency who refused to work on TIA because of ethical concerns. The dangers of TIA have created a coalition of strange bedfellows. The American Civil Liberties Union has teamed up with conservative Phyllis Schlafly’s Eagle Forum and even the Heritage Foundation to fight not only TIA but other abuses of Constitutional rights under the USA Patriot Act. Even former member of Congress Bob Barr, a conservative firebrand, has joined the effort. Yet even with all this attention, TIA still exists and still watches Americans 24/7 from the office building on Fairfax Drive in Arlington. Although employees who work in the building are supposed to keep their presence there a secret, they regularly sport their DARPA id badges around their necks when eating at restaurants near the building. The straps attached to the badges are printed with “DARPA” in large letters. “Yeah, they’re the spooks who work in the building over there,” says Ernie, the counterman at a deli near 3701 Fairfax Drive. “If this is how they keep secrets, I guess we should really be worried.”
Where Big Brother Snoops on "Americans" 24/7
By TERESA HAMPTON & DOUG THOMPSON
June 7, 2004
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#1. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
This is done so frequently that even the Pentagon doesn't know what programs they have on the books. Some of these projects have name and classification changes that obscure them from even the most ardent scrutiny.
"The consolidation of the States into one vast empire, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of ruin which has overwhelmed all that preceded it." General Robert E. Lee
Traitors everywhere. THE WAR ON WASTE - Rumsfeld Says 2.3 Trillion Dollars Missing At Pentagon
Since our open borders are a testament to how little this regime really cares about our security, the real reason for this database must be to ensure that their own activities are covered up, and that the activities of anyone who criticizes this regime are tracked.
War is never a solution; it is an aggravation. Heh, heh. And my brother-in-law won't go on the internet for fear of privacy invasions. Heh, heh.
And people wonder why the elites hate gold. Gold is freedom from the system.
and there's not a single business transaction or purchase of even insignificant items where they don't want your SS# and driver license. they know every damn thing we're doing. it's not going to stop me from living my life--talking, reading, listening. there's got to be a whole lot more of us than there are of them.
War is good for business. Invest your son.
http://www.americanholocaust.net/
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
Yellowstone, who knew?
All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting. ~George Orwell More About Concentration Camps in America... The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
thanks for great links in #7 & #9
Youre exactly right .. open borders is proof that it's not about security at all..
Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
I used to think this was just so much BS until I ran across this:
Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
BTTT
This is a fucking outrarge!!
I bet illegal aliens are happy; they aren't being tracked at all.
God is always good! Oh but they are. They are however, registered voters for the ragime.
Buy with cash and they can't track you as easy. Also, barter goods and services and leave the worthless dollar out the picture all together - I like to see their computers track that!
God is always good! Why do you care, Ricky? You seem pretty happy with the Status Quo.
In what way?
God is always good! There are. Unfortunately, 98% are asleep in their TV induced comas and/or too riddled with Christian guilt to do anything about it.
so what...they "lost" 2 trillion dollars...they're fu*king incompetents.
ain't it the truth.
We've been heading this way for a long time. The Bushies are just taking off all the restraints. Big business has wanted this forever. It's gotten ridiculous; landlords can now access your IRS records in some cases. Pretty soon we will live in some scifi dystopia where if you screw up too bad, they take away your electronic car key, house key, bank account, anything they want, without a court for relief. This WILL happen. The bankruptcy "reform" has nothing to do with economics; I wrote about this for several years and talked to Visa and MC and all the rest, and they were trying to make it a MORAL thing by talking about a few millionaires who got to keep their mansions and cars. 96 percent of bankrupts are there because of job loss, medical bills, or addiction (mainly gambling, but some drug problems). The rest are scam artists, and simply making houses over a certain amount and cars over a certain amount exempt would have solved their problems. Now they're screeching like scalded cats because people are paying off their credit cards and tearing them up. I have lived for five years without one and I will never get one again. I have a debit card, but that's as far as I will go. Hard to track cash.
I think this is hilarious. I have nothing to hide. I don't buy porno, or gamble. I don't do anything illegal with my money. What do I have to hide if some bean counter moron who has to verify information goes through a string of purchases from 1 of 10 places I frequent with regularity? The issue here is whether or not you're offended by a loss of your so called privacy. The first thing everyone should know, is that YOU HAVE NONE. Why? Because if you own your own home, and are paying off a mortgage, people can know all they need to know about you by your credit. The fact that there's a thing called a credit score on every human being in the world, should tell you right now that you have not one shred of privacy from the word go. Every human is handicapped like a goddamned race horse because of their credit score. Of course there's going to be winners and losers, but the point is that nobody has one bit of privacy. You've never had it, unless you've been alive longer than 100 years, and even when you had it, you probably gave it away when you took a job, went to college, joined the military, etc... The illusion of Property, Privacy, and Sovereignty, are exactly that, ILLUSIONS. Why get bent out of shape over something you never had in the first fucking place? I don't give a damn about what the government does with the information about me. The reason why I don't care, is because whatever they think they know about me, is academic. They don't know me as a person, or as a human being.
“When Congress cut the funding, the Pentagon – with administration approval – simply moved the program into a ‘black bag’ account,” says a security consultant who worked on the DARPA project. “Black bag programs don’t require Congressional approval and are exempt from traditional oversight.”
#2. To: BTP Holdings (#1)
#3. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
a record of that deposit showed up immediately in the computer databanks in the office across the street, just as financial, travel and other personal transactions of virtually every American do millions of time every minute.
~Benjamin Disraeli
#4. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
"Every financial transaction of every American is now recorded and monitored by the federal government. Any bank transaction, all credit card charges plus phone records, credit reports, travel and even health records are captured in real time by the DARPA computers"
#5. To: Soda Pop (#4)
#6. To: Soda Pop (#4)
#7. To: christine (#6)
#8. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#7)
#9. To: robin (#8)
#10. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#9)
#11. To: robin (#3)
Since our open borders are a testament to how little this regime really cares about our security, the real reason for this database must be to ensure that their own activities are covered up, and that the activities of anyone who criticizes this regime are tracked.
#12. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#9)
#13. To: robin (#8)
#14. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
#15. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#16. To: RickyJ (#15)
I bet illegal aliens are happy; they aren't being tracked at all.
#17. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#18. To: RickyJ (#15)
I bet illegal aliens are happy;
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#19. To: Flintlock (#18)
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#20. To: christine (#6)
there's got to be a whole lot more of us than there are of them.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#21. To: Mind_Virus (#14)
#22. To: Flintlock (#20)
98% are asleep in their TV induced comas and/or too riddled with Christian guilt to do anything about it
#23. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
#24. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#25. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#24)
Do you want me to show you all the anti-gov't replies you've made? I think this is hilarious. I have nothing to hide.
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
#26. To: christine, robin, Zipporah (#25)
December 1, 2001 The proposal would loosen one of the most fundamental restrictions on the conduct of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and would be another step by the Bush administration to modify civil-liberties protections as a means of defending the country against terrorists, the senior officials said. The attorney general's surveillance guidelines were imposed on the F.B.I. in the 1970's after the death of J. Edgar Hoover and the disclosures that the F.B.I. had run a widespread domestic surveillance program, called Cointelpro, to monitor antiwar militants, the Ku Klux Klan, the Black Panthers and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., among others, while Mr. Hoover was director. Since then, the guidelines have defined the F.B.I.'s operational conduct in investigations of domestic and overseas groups that operate in the United States. Some officials who oppose the change said the rules had largely kept the F.B.I. out of politically motivated investigations, protecting the bureau from embarrassment and lawsuits. But others, including senior Justice Department officials, said the rules were outmoded and geared to obsolete investigative methods and had at times hobbled F.B.I. counterterrorism efforts. Mr. Ashcroft and the F.B.I. director, Robert S. Mueller III, favor the change, the officials said. Most of the opposition comes from career officials at the F.B.I. and the Justice Department. A Justice Department spokeswoman said today that no final decision had been reached on the revised guidelines. "As part of the attorney general's reorganization," said Susan Dryden, the spokeswoman, "we are conducting a comprehensive review of all guidelines, policies and procedures. All of these are still under review." An F.B.I. spokesman said the bureau's approach to terrorism was also under review. "Director Mueller's view is that everything should be on the table for review," the spokesman, John Collingwood, said. "He is more than willing to embrace change when doing so makes us a more effective component. A healthy review process doesn't come at the expense of the historic protections inherent in our system." The attorney general is free to revise the guidelines, but Justice Department officials said it was unclear how heavily they would be revised. There are two sets of guidelines, for domestic and foreign groups, and most of the discussion has centered on the largely classified rules for investigations of foreign groups. The relaxation of the guidelines would follow administration measures to establish military tribunals to try foreigners accused of terrorism; to seek out and question 5,000 immigrants, most of them Muslims, who have entered the United States since January 2000; and to arrest more than 1,200 people, nearly all of whom are unconnected to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, and hold hundreds of them in jail. Today, Mr. Ashcroft defended his initiatives in an impassioned speech to United States attorneys. "Our efforts have been deliberate, they've been coordinated, they've been carefully crafted to not only protect America but to respect the Constitution and the rights enshrined therein," Mr. Ashcroft said. "Still," he added, "there have been a few voices who have criticized. Some have sought to condemn us with faulty facts or without facts at all. Others have simply rushed to judgment, almost eagerly assuming the worst of their government before they've had a chance to understand it at its best." Under the current surveillance guidelines, the F.B.I. cannot send undercover agents to investigate groups that gather at places like mosques or churches unless investigators first find probable cause, or evidence leading them to believe that someone in the group may have broken the law. Full investigations of this sort cannot take place without the attorney general's consent. Since Sept. 11, investigators have said, Islamic militants have sometimes met at mosques — apparently knowing that the religious institutions are usually off limits to F.B.I. surveillance squads. Some officials are now saying they need broader authority to conduct surveillance of potential terrorists, no matter where they are. Senior career F.B.I. officials complained that they had not been consulted about the proposed change — a criticism they have expressed about other Bush administration counterterrorism measures. When the Justice Department decided to use military tribunals to try accused terrorists, and to interview thousands of Muslim men in the United States, the officials said they were not consulted. Justice Department officials noted that Mr. Mueller had endorsed the administration's proposals, adding that the complaints were largely from older F.B.I. officials who were resistant to change and unwilling to take the aggressive steps needed to root out terror in the United States. Other officials said the Justice Department had consulted with F.B.I. lawyers and some operational managers about the change. But in a series of recent interviews, several senior career officials at the F.B.I. said it would be a serious mistake to weaken the guidelines, and they were upset that the department had not clearly described the proposed changes. "People are furious right now — very, very angry," one of them said. "They just assume they know everything. When you don't consult with anybody, it sends the message that you assume you know everything. And they don't know everything." Still, some complaints seem to stem from the F.B.I.'s shifting status under Mr. Ashcroft. Weakened by a series of problems that predated the Sept. 11 attacks, the F.B.I. has been forced to follow orders from the Justice Department — a change that many law enforcement experts thought was long overdue. In the past, the bureau leadership had far more independence and authority to make its own decisions. Several senior officials are leaving the F.B.I., including Thomas J. Pickard, the deputy director. He was the senior official in charge of the investigation of the attacks and was among top F.B.I. officials who were opposed to another decision of the Bush administration, the public announcements of Oct. 12 and Oct. 29 that placed the country on the highest state of alert in response to vague but credible threats of a possible second terrorist attack. Mr. Pickard is said to have been opposed to publicizing threats that were too vague to provide any precautionary advice. Many F.B.I. officials regard the administration's plan to establish military tribunals as an extreme step that diminishes the F.B.I.'s role because it creates a separate prosecutorial system run by the military. "The only thing I have seen about the tribunals is what I have seen in the newspapers," a senior official complained. Another official said many senior law enforcement officials shared his concern about the tribunals. "I believe in the rule of law, and I believe if we have a case to make against someone, we should make it in a federal courtroom in the United States," he said. Several senior F.B.I. officials said the tribunal system should be reserved for senior Al Qaeda members apprehended by the military in Afghanistan or other foreign countries. Few were involved in deliberations that led to the directive Mr. Ashcroft issued this month to interview immigrant men living legally in the United States. F.B.I. officials have complained that the interview plan was begun before its ramifications were fully understood. "None of this was thought through, a senior official said. "They just announced it, and left it to others to figure out how to do it." The arrests and detentions of more than 1,200 people since Sept. 11 have also aroused concerns at the F.B.I. Officials noted that the investigations had found no conspirators in the United States who aided the hijackers in the Sept. 11 attacks and only a handful of people who were considered Al Qaeda members. "This came out of the White House, and Ashcroft's office," a senior official said. "There are tons of things coming out of there these days where there is absolutely no consultation with the bureau." Some at the F.B.I. have been openly skeptical about claims that some of the 1,200 people arrested were Al Qaeda members and that the strategy of making widespread arrests had disrupted or thwarted planned attacks. "It's just not the case," an official said. "We have 10 or 12 people we think are Al Qaeda people, and that's it. And for some of them, it's based only on conjecture and suspicion."
LIBERTY AND SECURITY
Ashcroft Seeking to Free F.B.I. to Spy on Groups
By DAVID JOHNSTON and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
ASHINGTON, Nov. 30 — Attorney General John Ashcroft is considering a plan to relax restrictions on the F.B.I.'s spying on religious and political organizations in the United States, senior government officials said today.
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#27. To: christine (#26)
#28. To: RickyJ (#19)
I made a mistake, I appoligise.
In what way?
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#29. To: Flintlock (#28)
No problem, I was just wondering what I said to make anyone think that I liked the direction America is heading.
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#30. To: Uncle Bill (#27)
wow. that's a FRoldie. :P
The WTC couldn't have come down without a conspiracy. The perps weren't exactly working independent of each other.~Arete
#31. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#25)
Ah, the old days. 
#32. To: christine (#30)
"Our efforts have been deliberate, they've been coordinated, they've been carefully crafted to not only protect America but to respect the Constitution and the rights enshrined therein," Doesn't that just make you feel all warm and fuzzy.
John Ashcroft
#33. To: Uncle Bill (#31)
27 posted on 12/24/2001 12:12:05 AM PST by Good King Wenceslas wow, that comment sure wouldn't remain for long on FR today. i saw lots of familiar names on that thread. you've been at this a long time. ;)
To: OKCSubmariner MERRY CHRISTMAS...If the few patriots remaining under Bush II are not able to smash the Zionist spy network we might as well begin preparing for the REAL resistance to these vampires. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
The WTC couldn't have come down without a conspiracy. The perps weren't exactly working independent of each other.~Arete
#34. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
The US federal government is an expert at running a wide range of affairs without any debt. The staffers and forever vigilant bureaucrats overseeing our individual transactions are merely here to help us citizens and guide us towards financial freedom. They have plans for us. May we all get on our knees and pray towards Washington DC and GWBush in the sky.
#35. To: buckeroo (#34)
Bow serf, yes, bow. On your knees at once. Yes, this really is a cover of a book. I wouldn't kid ya.
#36. To: Uncle Bill (#35)
Why the US government created America's freedoms. Don't you think they should receive a little praise once in awhile?
#37. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#25)
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH Oh like they're going to take what I've said as a direct threat to their way of doing business. I can be marginalized in seconds, and so can you. The only people who ever find themselves getting royally assrammed, are people with credibility. I'm a guy who draws comics and makes toys for a living. Who the fuck am I??? Am I important? Nope. Do I have people who follow my lead and respect me? BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Yet again, I know for a fucking fact I have nothing to fear. The reason? To them, I'm nothing. I am Nobody. Just like you. The only time that things could get hairy, is if I suddenly had a major amount of cash, and could use it to start a propaganda campaign that was Anti-Government. I'm far from being a problem to the government. Like I said, I'm just an artist. I have absolutely no sway, no power over the people, and even if I did, I'd still be looked at as a guy who's nothing to be concerned about. As far as the amount of Anti-Government replies I've made, I'd be more concerned about the tone and the stuff you yourself have written.
Do you want me to show you all the anti-gov't replies you've made?
| What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#38. To: buckeroo (#36)
Of course, but the Founding Fathers of this country knew that nothing is more important than the promise of safety. We should all willingly give back to the government our freedom if they promise to make us safe.
Why the US government created America's freedoms. Don't you think they should receive a little praise once in awhile?
#39. To: Esso (#38)
Yes, and Benjamin Franklin thought so too. Where's that quote, I have it here somewhere. 8-) Oh no!
#40. To: buckeroo (#36)
Let me correct you quickly with such a grievious and painful error. Sean Hannity gave us our freedom. 
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