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Title: Who Wrote the Patriot Act?
Source: various
URL Source: http://freedom4um
Published: Dec 20, 2005
Author: various
Post Date: 2005-12-20 08:24:51 by robin
Keywords: Patriot, Wrote, Act?
Views: 391
Comments: 11

In no particular order:

1. Foreign born Viet Dinh

2. Foreign born John Yoo

More on John Yoo from tompaine.com:

The 20-page response came from John C. Yoo, a 34-year-old Bush appointee with a glittering résumé and a reputation as perhaps the most intellectually aggressive among a small group of legal scholars who had challenged what they saw as the United States' excessive deference to international law.

On Sept. 21, 2001, Mr. Yoo wrote that the question was how the Constitution's Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure might apply if the military used "deadly force in a manner that endangered the lives of United States citizens."

Mr. Yoo listed an inventory of possible operations: shooting down a civilian airliner hijacked by terrorists; setting up military checkpoints inside an American city; employing surveillance methods more sophisticated than those available to law enforcement; or using military forces "to raid or attack dwellings where terrorists were thought to be, despite risks that third parties could be killed or injured by exchanges of fire."

Mr. Yoo noted that those actions could raise constitutional issues, but said that in the face of devastating terrorist attacks, "the government may be justified in taking measures which in less troubled conditions could be seen as infringements of individual liberties."

If the president decided the threat justified deploying the military inside the country, he wrote, then "we think that the Fourth Amendment should be no more relevant than it would be in cases of invasion or insurrection."

3. Dual Citizenship (His grandfather was a Jew from Russia, Chertoff was born an Israeli citizen by virtue of his mother's Israeli citizenship) Michael Chertoff wrote the blue print

4. A Florida state senator's son, Sen Bob Graham, former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, wrote sections of the bill dealing with foreign intelligence.


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How An Earlier "Patriot Act" Law Brought Down A President

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#1. To: robin (#0)

when I watch these two guys on tv I get the feeling that they are communists. what dupes the people are who vote republican out of patriotism!

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-20   8:52:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

Who Wrote the Patriot Act?

PNAC/AIPAC had to be instrumental.

In all of German-occupied Europe , there were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews applied for Holocaust reparations. Tragically, the remaining 6 million were lost.

wbales  posted on  2005-12-20   9:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Red Jones (#1)

what dupes the people are who vote republican out of patriotism!

I think a lot of the suckers vote R out of greed, or at least the conception that they will gain on the backs of others.

Soda Pop  posted on  2005-12-20   9:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Red Jones (#1)

The more I read about the measures the government is taking to combat terrorism, the more it becomes apparent that the true purpose is to protect the elites from the public once the public realizes how screwed the economy is. We have 40-50k auto fatalities every year. Where is the Department of Auto Security? Where are the billions of dollars to keep us safe? We would need 15 911's every year to match that number of fatalities.

Soren  posted on  2005-12-20   10:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Soren (#4)

We have 40-50k auto fatalities every year. Where is the Department of Auto Security? Where are the billions of dollars to keep us safe?

Good one. Those stats were mentioned during the Vietnam War too. Also the costs of that war. I recall that someone calculated we could have given every Viet Cong $X dollars and they prolly would have stopped fighting and gone home happy. I forget how much $$ it was, but it was like 10 times what they made in a year.

All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.

~George Orwell

robin  posted on  2005-12-20   10:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#0)

How An Earlier "Patriot Act" Law Brought Down a President

very interesting...makes me wonder if we ever really have had a government for, of, and by the people.

War is good for business. Invest your son.

christine  posted on  2005-12-20   10:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#6)

Good article, until the "tax cuts for the rich" diatribe. Lets remember in Jefferson's day, there were no income taxes.

Soren  posted on  2005-12-20   10:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#6)

The history of John Adams' failed presidency gives hope and encouragement to those committed to real democracy and genuine freedom. History shows that when enough people become politically active, they can rescue the soul of America from sliding into a corrupt, abusive police state.

Concentrate on the results, he lost.

All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.

~George Orwell

robin  posted on  2005-12-20   10:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#0)

Mr. Yoo listed an inventory of possible operations: shooting down a civilian airliner hijacked by terrorists; setting up military checkpoints inside an American city; employing surveillance methods more sophisticated than those available to law enforcement; or using military forces "to raid or attack dwellings where terrorists were thought to be, despite risks that third parties could be killed or injured by exchanges of fire."

It's really enlightening that the primary focus of their "terror" prevention program entails spying on, restricting and possibly killing AMERICAN CITIZENS. They view us as the ENEMY. Of course, the logical way of preventing terror is to get of these foreign countries' business, seal up the border, tighten up our immigration policies and send these people home, not allow people from "terrorist" sponsoring countries (like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc) from entering here, and STOP supporting countries like SAUDI ARABIA until they stop the terrorist activities in their own countries. But we see that none of those things have happened because the real intent is not to stop terrorism - the real intent is to control American citizens. How can anyone even argue with this, it's so obvious?

Thanks for posting this article, very enlightening.

mehitable  posted on  2005-12-20   11:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Soren (#4)

astute comment.

War is good for business. Invest your son.

christine  posted on  2005-12-20   11:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Soren (#4)

  There are over 10,000 deaths a year because of over the counter medications anyone can buy at the local drugstore. There are 100,000 deaths a year related to infections from bedsores.

  Where is the War On Bedsores!!! Where is the War On Tylenol!!!

  Mark

Kamala  posted on  2005-12-20   13:14:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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