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Title: Most people realize in 1776 a bunch of white guys got together and signed a document called the Declaration of Independence, but few really know what was in that document, and why it was written…
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Published: Jul 4, 2014
Author: Pastor Ben Heath
Post Date: 2014-07-04 10:57:33 by Itistoolate
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Declaration of Independence: What Most Don’t Know

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#3. To: Itistoolate (#0) (Edited)

I am at the 2:45 minute mark and something occurred to me that has come to mind a couple of times during the past few days.

You know I believe Christian America is Israel Restored. God said we would be in a land not our own and would be afflicted 400 years. [Genesis 15:13-14/ biblehub.com/galatians/3-29.htm ]. He also said we "would go to Babylon" [Micah 4:10]. In the book of Jeremiah [Jeremiah 25 to Jeremiah 28, I think: http://biblehub.com/kjv/jeremiah/25.htm ], God told Jerusalem and the surrounding nations they would be punished by Babylon for 70 years, and if they rebelled and did not submit, He would take their yoke of wood and replace it with a yoke of Iron. As you probably also know, I believe the "American" Revolution was a con-job [ http://www.apfn.org/apfn/queen.htm ]. America supposedly revolted from their wooden yoke of a 3% tax for an iron yoke of unlimited tax today. One of the first things George Washington and his Rotschild agent Alexander Hamilton did was wage war against Americans for a whiskey tax. America was founded in 1607 at Cape Henry, Virginia with a cross. The period of time between the founding of America and the rebellion was 69/70 years? Do you suppose there is a relationship here?

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.... http://biblehub.com/hosea/4-6.htm

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

really?

The Calling of the Gentiles [edit. packed up my concordance, and don't feel like looking up online, but "gentiles" here may possibly be the Hebrew "goyim" which can be translated gentiles, nations, or heathens.]

Romans 9:21Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? 22What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,…

http://biblehub.com/romans/9-22.htm

just thinking out loud...back to the video.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2014-07-08   9:06:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You know I believe Christian America is Israel Restored.

ATKHWDI, what does this say about Americans to the rest of the world? Example: how should a Sri Lankan Hindu treat an American who shares your beliefs? How do you expect a heathen to treat the Christian Identity movement? How can people born outside of the US imagine themselves as Christians if only humans born in America are God's chosen people? If Americans are qualified to be CIDs, wouldn't that make people want to move here? What if the whole planet decided it wanted to convert to CID? And what should CIDs do about the Holy Land?

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-08   10:33:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How do you expect a heathen to treat the Christian Identity movement? How can people born outside of the US imagine themselves as Christians if only humans born in America are God's chosen people?

Christian Identity is racist. I am not, nor have I ever been a proponent of it. There is a website that comes close to explaining America as the promised land, BUT it is Christian Identity. I posted it a while back, but I am pretty sure I qualified it as Christian Identity which I do not ascribe to.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: ... 8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/9.htm

Matthew 3:9

And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

Romans 4:13

It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.

Galatians 3:6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.....

Sons Through Faith in Christ

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-29.htm

How can people born outside of the US imagine themselves as Christians if only humans born in America are God's chosen people?

sorry. i didn't make myself clear. maybe i should have said, America is the Promised Land for Christians, from wherever.

2Samuel 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,

http://biblehub.com/2_samuel/7-10.htm

The Good Shepherd

(Psalm 23:1-6; John 10:1-21)

11For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. 12As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. 13And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. 15I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. 16I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment... http://biblehub.com/kjv/ezekiel/34.htm /see John 10 for who the sheep are [they hear His voice and follow Him], and who the sheep are not. http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/10.htm

Ezekiel 34:11-13/John 10

Jeremiah 23:7"Therefore behold, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when they will no longer say, 'As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt,' 8but, 'As the LORD lives, who brought up and led back the descendants of the household of Israel from the north land and from all the countries where I had driven them.' Then they will live on their own soil." http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/23-7.htm

Revelation 5:…9And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. 10"You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth." http://biblehub.com/revelation/5-10.htm

Those are just a few of the passages that relate to the true House of Israel, and their Promised Land. Isaiah 62:4 says their land would be married. See Revelation 21:2.

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God's chosen people are Christians. See John 15:15-16, and

1Peter 2: 9But you are A CHOSEN RACE [people], A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.…

http://biblehub.com/1_peter/2-9.htm

See also The Church Is Israel Now: http://www.preteristarchive.com/...provan-charles_dd_01.html

it was never about race, except that the promised seed, Christ, should come through the tribe of Judah. it was not because they were so wonderful...God had wanted to destroy them more than once. it was because of the promise He had made to Abraham, righteous because HE BELIEVED GOD. their purpose was to be a nation of kings and priests to teach the world the ways of God. He gave them the chance and they blew it [He knew it beforehand. See Genesis 3:15. God always planned to come in the flesh to save all who would believe]. Now ANYONE can be "chosen"....JUST BY MAKING JESUS LORD AND SAVIOR OF THEIR LIFE.

And what should CIDs do about the Holy Land?

Preach the gospel to them? btw, it is NOT the "Holy Land". God called it the Whore of Babylon: http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/whore.html

can't pour new wine into an old wineskin. :)

ok, now i really do have to get back to work.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2014-07-08   13:12:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#7. To: Deasy (#6)

one more thing....

Christian Identity is racist. I am not, nor have I ever been a proponent of it. There is a website that comes close to explaining America as the promised land, BUT it is Christian Identity. I posted it a while back, but I am pretty sure I qualified it as Christian Identity which I do not ascribe to.

in fact, when i first ran across that website, it went completely over my head, because i didn't buy into the christian identity.

i remembered it the day i put 2 and 2 together: Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament [Isaiah 9:6-7] and Christians are Israel [see the above]. when i read He was going to take them into their own land, i knew it was america, and i remembered the website, and it finally registered, or at least the non-christian identity parts. the site:

The Old Jerusalem Is Not the New Jerusalem

historicist.info/ojnj/index.htm

[i don't buy into the pilgrims either. i think they were wolves in sheep's clothing and may even have evolved into the pilgrim's society. the fabian society's emblem is a wolf in sheep's clothing. i contend Christian America started at Cape Henry: www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ it might not have been perfect, but was most definitely a mustard seed.]

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2014-07-08 13:23:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You know I believe Christian America is Israel Restored.

Then you're a Christian Nationalist. You've said that "I believe Christian America is Israel Restored." So America is exceptional for you in a religious sense of some kind. You're also sort of a Rastafarian in that you say Christians are the new Chosen Ones. I've heard of this view from multiple people. To be an American Christian... is a special pair of associations.

As a pagan, I definitely prefer the original constitution and judiciary act of 1789 to Christian Nationalism. It clearly prevents religious dominionism as you've described it.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-08 16:46:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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