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Title: Malaysia airliner crashes in east Ukraine near Russia border
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URL Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28354856
Published: Jul 17, 2014
Author: BBC
Post Date: 2014-07-17 12:26:48 by Jethro Tull
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A Malaysian airliner reportedly with 295 people on board has crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. Malaysia Airlines said it had lost contact with Flight MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukraine, it said in a tweet. An aviation source in Moscow told Reuters the plane had been found burning on the ground in east Ukraine. Separatist rebels have been fighting government forces in the region. A defence expert has told the BBC that shooting down a plane at 10,000m (9.7 miles) would have required a long- range surface-to-air missile - possibly guided by radar. That suggests it is unlikely it could have been downed by a portable air defence missile, or Manpad, which has a much shorter range. The only other possibility is for an aircraft at that height to be downed by a fighter carrying air-to-air missiles. The US will have access to satellite imagery that should be able to identify ultra-violet plumes if a long-range surface-to-air missile was fired. A number of Ukrainian military planes have been shot down by missiles in recent weeks. Ukraine has accused Russia's military of supplying advanced missiles to the rebels. Earlier on Thursday, Ukrainian officials blamed the Russian air force for shooting down one of its ground attack jets on Wednesday. Malaysia Airlines in Kuala Lumpur said it had lost contact with the plane Poster Comment: Malaysia Airlines, the official airlines of Robin and her Nesters, has had a terrible run of bad luck recently. But have no fear, President Trayvon has been briefed and he has assured Americans that our Southern border will remain open. Malaysia airliner crashes in east Ukraine near Russia border
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Uh oh! The dreaded "exploding center fuel tank" strikes again.
An accident? All made to make Putin look bad?? Would our government do that??? Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.
It's interesting how they're already saying the shot would have been "too difficult for al qaeda"..now that all the world knows who al qaeda is...
Yep, yet another (BS) coincidence.
Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.
Why would a Malaysian passenger jet need downing? For the hell of it? “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Yesterday, Obama hit Russia w/additional sanctions related to their hijinks in the Ukraine. The whore media, as I type, is anchoring the 'Russian did it' narrative. This could be a boots on the ground-type incident, ergo, potential false flag.
Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.
Yep - I'm listening/watching the speculation going on right now. I just don't believe that Russian has anything to profit by this. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Agree. Putin is too savvy for this. BTW, keep your eye on Mother Israel. They will use this as a distraction to enter Gaza. Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.
Interesting to see whose finger prints are on this one. Rockets such as used in this are not just found lying around, nor in a hock shop.
Who knows? It could have been a "normal" airline accident. Or if shot down, it may not have been at the claimed altitude. About all we can count on is: A plane crashed.
I'm watching this right now and you are right. Despite the unfortunate lives lost at this terrible incident, I also believe this to be a distraction as to what is happening on the Gaza front. Very good point. We live in some very violent times right now. We are the last generation to witness what is taking place in the Middle East right now because what is happening in Israel, will effect the world at large next year and I have a foreboding thought that something big is about to happen here in the U.S. next year. Right now, FNC is reporting that from a video they obtained, it showed no plane was in the sky at the moment of the explosion. The explosion did not happen except on the ground! The plane was not subject to air restrictions when it was to take off from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
I will wager that explosive material will be found on the aircraft remains and it does leave its identifiable fingerprints.
FNC stated that the FAA sent out warning in April to avoid Ukrainian airspace. What did the FAA know and if that is the case why would there not be restricted airspace concerning this plane? Also it is reported that "the rebels" found the blackbox but will not allow Russia to evaluate the cause of the crash. FNC did not state who "the rebels" were in reference to.
WSJ headlines are casting aspersions with question marks: "Opinion: Kremlin Behind Malaysia Airlines Crash?" "A Criminal in the Kremlin?" RT is a bit more direct: "President Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile" "Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax news agency reports citing sources." "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
It would be useful for Ukraine to allow the US to do a complete explosive analysis on the wreckage and contents.
According to FNC, RT is Vladmir Putin and that Ukraine intended the target to Putin. Now Ukraine will pay they say.
Yep that may very well be the case if Ukraine is an ally of the U.S. for if not, and the U.N. has sanctions in the Ukrainian government, and then the U.S. gets involved, as we already are with Israel, we really will be getting ourselves in another international crisis sooner than expected. The U.S. needs to use its head and consider who its allies are before we start butting in. Let the U.N. handle this problem.
Most likely the missile will turn out to have been Russian. Who fired it will be difficult to prove. Not being a one man operation, the battery will have had several people involved.
It would be even better for a completely disinterested party to do a complete explosive analysis on the wreckage and contents. I'm afraid that everyone will be arguing about this crash and pointing fingers in different months from now. The facts are always a commodity much too valuable to be wasted on the unwashed. My experience tells me we'll never know the truth. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
FNC is now saying that a Top Ukranian Crimean leader is saying that a Russian rebel terrorist group just downed the passenger plane to Malaysia and will not allow anybody to have access to the plane. From a June 29th tweet, they bragged about it on a Twitter account. They used a sophisticated military smart optical laser system dating back to 1979, that can take out a drone, or missle.
Spot on, JT. Israel made a big move into Gaza, from land and sea, while this story was breaking. Could be Ukraine did this to serve as a distraction for their israeli associates.
FNC, now reporting that Israel is expanding along the Gaza border. Ground forces are moving in gain access to the Hamas weapons storage area. Hamas has been preparing for this for years. There is no cease fire and no truce. Also, all power is out in Gaza City.
Are these people not predictable? Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.
Their timing is impeccable. No way it can be a coincidence.
UPDATE: Israel Begins Large Scale Ground Invasion of Gaza - Al Jazeera It is all of course complete coincidence. < /sarc > (Mike Rivero has just reported that radar has painted a missile track that intercepts MH 17, BTW. - It was ground to air.) "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
It not just predictable but predicted in Scripture. Pay attention to the Tetrad Blood Moons 2014 and 2015 and Solar Eclipses (2 of them next year) that come between the Blood Moons. A Blood Red Moon for Israel means a bad omen for them. A Solar Eclipse means a bad omen approaching the U.S. and rest of the world. Get your affairs ready with your Maker cause He's coming with a fierce wrath upon us all. It will not be a day of Joy and Happiness as all those bible preachers keep tell us with glazed looks in their eyes like they are on some cocaine trip. It will be a day of utter Darkness and Sorrow. Pray that you are worthy enough to escape His wrath. He is not coming with peace but instead a sword. Start looking at images 140915-152400 stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/brow...14/06/05/ahead/cor2/1024/ Image of the solar corona, taken by the SECCHI outer coronagraph (COR2) on the STEREO Ahead observatory on June 5, 2014 at 14:54:00 UT.
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#8. To: Lod, 4 (#7)
I just don't believe that Russian has anything to profit by this.
#9. To: Lod (#7)
I just don't believe that Russian has anything to profit by this.
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#12. To: purplerose (#11)
. The explosion did not happen except on the ground!
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#14. To: Cynicom (#9)
Interesting to see whose finger prints are on this one.
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#19. To: Cynicom (#15)
It would be useful for Ukraine to allow the US to do a complete explosive analysis on the wreckage and contents.
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