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Title: U.S. Religious Leaders Embrace Cause of Immigrant Children
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NYT/Amren
URL Source: http://www.amren.com/news/2014/07/u ... e-cause-of-immigrant-children/
Published: Jul 24, 2014
Author: Michael Paulson
Post Date: 2014-08-08 21:27:25 by Deasy
Keywords: judeo-christianity, catholic, jewish, protestant
Views: 358
Comments: 14
After protesters shouting “Go Home” turned back busloads of immigrant mothers and children in Murrieta, Calif., a furious Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan, the Roman Catholic archbishop of New York, sat down at his notepad and drafted a blog post detailing his shame at the episode, writing, “It was un-American; it was un-biblical; it was inhumane.” When the governor of Iowa, Terry Branstad, said he did not want the migrants in his state, declaring, “We can’t accept every child in the world who has problems,” clergy in Des Moines held a prayer vigil at a United Methodist Church to demonstrate their desire to make room for the refugees. America’s response to the arrival of tens of thousands of migrant children, many of them fleeing violence and exploitation in Central America, has been symbolized by an angry pushback from citizens and local officials who have channeled their outrage over illegal immigration into opposition to proposed shelter sites. But around the nation an array of religious leaders are trying to mobilize support for the children, saying the nation can and should welcome them. “We’re talking about whether we’re going to stand at the border and tell children who are fleeing a burning building to go back inside,” said Rabbi Asher Knight, of Temple Emanu-El in Dallas, who said leaders of more than 100 faith organizations in his city met last week to discuss how to help. {snip} {snip} The backlash to the backlash is broad–from Unitarian Universalists and Quakers to evangelical Protestants. Among the most agitated are Catholic bishops, who have long allied with Republican politicians against abortion and same-sex marriage, and leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention, whose adherents tend to lean right. “This is a crisis, and not simply a political crisis, but a moral one,” said Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptists’ Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. On Tuesday, Mr. Moore led a delegation of Southern Baptist officials to visit refugee children at detention centers in San Antonio and McAllen, Tex. In an interview after the visit, Mr. Moore said that “the anger directed toward vulnerable children is deplorable and disgusting” and added, “The first thing is to make sure we understand these are not issues, these are persons–these children are made in the image of God, and we ought to respond to them with compassion, not with fear.” Also on Tuesday, a coalition of evangelical organizations sent a letter to members of Congress, opposing proposals for expedited deportation of the migrants. A similar letter is being prepared by a wide range of mainline denominations, including the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), the Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Unitarian Universalist Association and the United Church of Christ. The Catholic Church also opposes any effort to make it easier to deport children; last week, the archbishop of Chicago, Cardinal Francis E. George, said he had offered facilities in his diocese to house some of the children, and on Monday, bishops in Dallas and Fort Worth called for lawyers to volunteer to represent the children at immigration proceedings. {snip} Various religious groups are trying to assist the migrants directly–by offering food, shelter, and legal services. The Episcopal Church is providing hygeine and nutrition packets; the United Methodist Church is offering showers and clothing; the United Church of Christ has started a nationwide fund-raising appeal. Catholic Charities USA has opened seven “welcome centers” along the border. {snip} Attitudes among evangelicals are changing, particularly at the leadership level, according to the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference. “I remember when my fellow evangelicals said deport them all, they’re here illegally, end of story, but the leadership now supports immigration reform,” Mr. Rodriguez said. “There’s still angst in the pews, but if they listen more to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John than to Rush Limbaugh, they’ll act with compassion towards these children.” The Rev. Larry Snyder, the president of Catholic Charities USA, said the charitable work has not been welcomed in every community. “Some city authorities are intimidated by the hate talk that you hear, and I even talk to some pastors who say they have to be careful because their parishioners aren’t behind us,” Father Snyder said. “If Jesus said anything, it was that your neighbor is everyone. I wish people would embrace that a little more than they do.” {snip} Some political leaders have cited religious or moral arguments in offering support for the migrants. Last Friday, Gov. Deval Patrick of Massachusetts tearfully cited the Bible and declared, “I don’t know what good there is in faith if we can’t, and won’t, turn to it in moments of human need,” as he suggested that migrant children could be temporarily housed at military bases in his state. And on Monday, briefing reporters in Rome after meeting with a top Vatican official, Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York praised Pope Francis’s support for the migrant children, and said, “I emphasize that New York City agrees with the position of the Holy See, that we have to embrace all immigrants.”
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#1. To: Deasy (#0)
No kidding. Talking away Americans' jobs, businesses, homes and health care is hardly "humane". Now if only the White man was smart enough to have pro White interest web site that refrains from the use of "Negro" and other White Nationalist adolescent vulgarities we might actually get someone to listen. Of course, non of the comments ever suggest a real life grown up solution. Maybe there isn't any White race to save. It's members hate each other and refuse to bond in their self interest. No matter 'cause Adolf Jesus is coming! Believe in him and you will be saved! Hallelujah!!!!! "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Samuel Adams, (1722-1803)
To hell with all of 'em. Somebody show me a REAL Christian church/denomination that isn't in league with the communists/leftists/progressives/assholes....... The Rev. Larry Snyder, the president of Catholic Charities USA, said the charitable work has not been welcomed in every community.
#2. To: Deasy (#0)
United Methodist ChurchRoman CatholicTemple Emanu-ElUnitarian Universalists and QuakersChristian Church (Disciples of Christ), the Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Unitarian Universalist Association and the United Church of ChristSouthern BaptistNational Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference
-Alex Kurtagic
#3. To: Americans 1st (#1)
Excellent point. I agree with what you said. Now if only the White man was smart enough to have pro White interest web site that refrains from the use of "Negro" and other White Nationalist adolescent vulgarities we might actually get someone to listen.
#4. To: scrapper2, Americans 1st, 4 (#3)
My problem is that I can never figger out what their nom du jour is...we've had Niggers, Negroes, Colored People, Blacks, African Americans - I just can't keep up with what displeases them least.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#5. To: X-15 (#2)
I bring that question up often with Pastors. Their answers always go back to the very basic premise of Christianity, namely, turn the other cheek. That answer is never foolhardy, ignorant, nor without thought. It is a basic concept of Christianity and each person must decide for themselves if there is a line to cross. Somebody show me a REAL Christian church/denomination that isn't in league with the communists/leftists/progressives/assholes.......
#6. To: Cynicom (#5)
There is a line not to cross, and that's another sovereign country's border illegally.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#7. To: Americans 1st, X-15, randge, Lod, abraxas, 4 (#1)
I could see that working well for a site like AMREN or TAKIMAG. The comment sections under articles would be hard to maintain though. But one of the problems of political correctness is that it constrains one's ability to communicate freely, and self-censorship is a matter of giving up one's own rights. I'd say that if you're looking for a democratic solution to our immigration problems, you won't find it. We have been outnumbered by politically correct voting since the Civil Rights and Immigration acts of the 50s and 60s. It's much worse today. As we still have a republic of sorts, we can hope that our representatives come around to our way of thinking. This could still happen. Use of banned language tends to break the spell of forbidding its use. In converting the Germanic peoples to Christianity, their sacred places were destroyed: trees were cut down and burned, temples were dismantled, and oaths were uttered against them in worship of the new god. The people were stunned that Thor did not strike the sacrilege dead with lightening, and according to Christian sources, they lost their faith in the old gods. Using rough talk when it's supposedly forbidden has that effect on some: it's like cutting sacred liberal groves. Now if only the White man was smart enough to have pro White interest web site that refrains from the use of "Negro" and other White Nationalist adolescent vulgarities we might actually get someone to listen.
No matter 'cause Adolf Jesus is coming! Believe in him and you will be saved! Hallelujah!!!!!
Just because some 4um members post articles referring to past cults of personality does not mean that we are awaiting their resurrection. We don't post disclaimers on every thread but everyone here reserves the right to disagree with any of the authors and people quoted in thread articles.
#8. To: Deasy (#7) (Edited)
It's not about PC, it's about being vulgar and stupid. The WN movement has accomplished nothing whatsoever for White people. In fact, they are the sole reason Whites cannot form a normal organization to defend their self interests. A normal white person is not going to side with an idiot that cannot have enough intellect to realize that using the words negro and nigger or pushing the Adolf fetish will never garnish support. White Nationalism is a kosher invention. And they jump for joy everytime one of them opens their mouth. I've met WN's in real life many times and they are obsessive compulsive idiots. They are absolutely against doing anything pro-White. "I'd say that if you're looking for a democratic solution to our immigration problems, you won't find it." Enough with the fantasy talk. WN's cannot even do the simplest of networking. I asked over dozen of them in real life. To suggest you guys will engage in something involving force is in the realm of science fiction. I could see that working well for a site like AMREN or TAKIMAG. The comment sections under articles would be hard to maintain though. But one of the problems of political correctness is that it constrains one's ability to communicate freely, and self-censorship is a matter of giving up one's own rights.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Samuel Adams, (1722-1803)
#9. To: Americans 1st, 4 (#8) (Edited)
Which so-called movement? Here on 4um, I don't think the goal was ever to avoid offending outside readers. The WN movement has accomplished nothing whatsoever for White people.
White Nationalism is a kosher invention.
That's like using the N-word, isn't it? It's true to the extent that what is considered acceptable language today is violated the minute someone sticks up for limiting diversity. That's called framing the narrative. Anyone from a legal immigration activist to a libertarian could be lumped into the category of racist, and are every day across the media and in education. Advocacy with polite language could help, I agree. Enough with the fantasy talk.
Just the demographic facts: as I said, and I wasn't referring to any such "fantasy," our representatives may discover the illegality and insanity of what they are doing and change their ways. I asked over dozen of them in real life.
Maybe they're in the wrong "movement?" If your goal is to build a European American ADL-like organization that strives to reap positive press, and avoids insulting other minorities, maybe you're talking to the wrong people? It would be simple to start off with a basic news portal blog like THE DRUDGE REPORT doing just what you're trying to do, but I'd suggest monitoring the comments sections under articles posted. You may need dedicated volunteers to keep participants under control.
#10. To: Deasy (#9)
Here on 4um, I don't think the goal was ever to avoid offending outside readers. No, the goal is to offend as if that will create a solution. Sheer madness. You think Blacks will change their behavior towards Whites if you call them 'niggers'? Or Jews if you call them 'kikes'? Here's the last guy who riled up a bunch of poor White folks. Like I said, anyone that uses vulgar language to make a point is working for the enemy. Here's the problem. When Whites do look for a NORMAL organization to advocate their right, the only thing that comes up on the kosher search engine is vulgar Adolf fetish freaks who will never in a million years do anything positive for Whites. In fact, their sole purpose is to see that Whites never ever have a voice in their defense. So they get turned off and resign to their fate of defeat. Maybe they're in the wrong "movement?" If your goal is to build a European American ADL-like organization that strives to reap positive press, and avoids insulting other minorities, maybe you're talking to the wrong people? It would be simple to start off with a basic news portal blog like THE DRUDGE REPORT doing just what you're trying to do, but I'd suggest monitoring the comments sections under articles posted. You may need dedicated volunteers to keep participants under control.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Samuel Adams, (1722-1803)
#11. To: Americans 1st, Jethro Tull, christine, X-15, Lod, randge, 4 (#10)
Inviting others into the discussion. An argument against directness can work both ways. The Greek lawmaker Solon, whom JFK quoted, said that citizens should not avoid conflict. — JFK, Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, New York City, April 27, 1961 No, the goal is to offend as if that will create a solution. Sheer madness.
Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed--and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution- -not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold, educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.
I would say that 4um members are mainly debating and encouraging each other. If the rest of the world pays attention, that can be good. I'm usually more interested in what fellow 4um members are thinking. This is one way to take the pulse of American freedom.
#12. To: Deasy (#0)
Christianity has become leftist and is close to being dead.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
#13. To: Turtle (#12)
What do you think about sticking to demure, PC language on 4um?
#14. To: Deasy (#13)
Fuck that shit. What do you think about sticking to demure, PC language on 4um?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
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