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Title: Bible scholars. What is the answer to this question?
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Published: Aug 10, 2014
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Post Date: 2014-08-10 11:07:00 by Jethro Tull
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Poster Comment: I honestly have no idea if this is true, or even if the question is legitimate. I just find it curious. 
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#14. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
The answer to your ? is quite simple, Cain The bible says And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. It Never Says "Cain went to live among the people in the land of Nod" The Land of Nod, period. Nothing about people already being in Nod. Hi, I've been reading 4um for a couple of years now this is my first post. Great place filled with great info from some great people, thanks Christine. The Lord says to watch, this is a great place to do just that. Some here are "believers" and some are not, and Im ok with that. There is no "great commission" in the bible, so Im not here to convert or debate. Im not a Bible scholar, not a Pastor, I don't even attend the pointy shed clubhouse that passes itself off as church. The man holding the sign in the picture maybe just in error, just as the "new versions" of scripture written in the last 100 years are. But the bible doesn't say so. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Many warnings, But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Don't "believe" what others say, including myself. Search the scripture (KJV) to find out whether those things are so. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
And 4um rolls in another awake and aware humanoid..... Welcome terry and thanks for your addition to this topic. My early experience with organized religion has left me totally ignorant in matters of the Bible. These comments have been interesting to say the least.
Thats why they are there. Nothing biblical about them " These comments have been interesting to say the least. " Thanks, Im glad I don't claim to know everything, just read the KJv, not like any other book. Its not meant to be read from page 1 to the end. What ever interest you, and go from there. It will all flow with no contradictions.
I disagree, simply the marriage of the Mesopotamian history with the Hebrew perspective leaves the OT riddled with contradictions. Same is true for the NT, For example, the four Gospels of Jesus are not aligned in anyway. Let us just investigate one NT example of serious contradiction. How does a person get saved? Mathew & Mark state that he who endures to the end will be saved. Mark 16:16 stated that he who believes and is baptized will be saved. John 3:5 stated that only he who is born of water and Spirit will be saved. Acts 16:31 states that he who believes in Jesus will be saved. Acts 2:21 states that he who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Romans 10:9 states that he who confesses with his mouth that Jesis is Lord and believes in his heartthat God raised him from the dead will be saved. John 4:7 states that Jesus implies that all persons can be saved. Timothy 2: 3-4 & Peter 3:9 God wants all to be saved. Mathew 7:21 Not everyone who call on the name of the Lord will be saved. Acts 2:21 & Romans 10:13 says that whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Luke 13:24 says that many will try to enter the Kingdom but will be unable. Acts 2:39 says that those God calls to himself will be saved. John 12:40, Acts 2:21, Acts 2:39, Romans 9:27 & Romans 10:13 say that some will not be saved. Mathew 7:12, Luke 10:36-37, Romans 2:6 & 2:13, James 2:24 state that we are justified by our works, not by faith. John 3:7, Romans 3:20-26, Ephesians 2: 8-9 & Galatians 2:16 says that we are justified by faith, not by works. That is a great deal of contradiction to be found on just on issue.
An excellent example of why we are to study for ourselves, and why I mainly stick to the words of Christ Himself; not his biographers.
Personally, I believe that Christ taught the teaching of salvation in the Gospel of Thomas. Rather than saying a few words or claiming allegiance as a way to get there, he teaches that we are to raise our Consciousness. He also teaches that the Kingdom is right here and if we succeed in raising our Consciousness we will enter...no need to wait until your dead to get there.
sorry, last point, lol I know, but I got to go Amazing, I started posting here today because of something that scripture does not say : Cain went to live among the people in the land of Nod" I understand why we differ in meanings "Personally,........................................................ I believe........................................................... that Christ taught the teaching of salvation in the Gospel of Thomas " Were not talking about the same scripture, now I understand. There is no : " Gospel of Thomas " in the bible I read I only know of one Gospel, neither Matthew , Mark, Luke or John not even Paul had "another Gospel" They ALL taught the one true Gospel In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Was that Pauls gospel, no The same gospel I believe in and also call mine For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
The Gospel of Thomas was excluded from the New Testament Canon, Yes, we have a fundamental disagreement in that I do not believe the Council of Nicea that chose the canon was a Divine inspiration, rather I view the Council as pushing a political agenda and selecting texts to further that agenda. History proves this point. Divine texts were excluded from the New Testament and from the Old Testament too (Book of Enoch, Book of Jubilees). Texts that had too much truth and wisdom for the masses and needed to be kept secret so as to keep them as supplicants.
#40. To: abraxas, terry, 4 (#39)
Reading only a few paragraphs re: the first council of Nicea clearly shows that this was a highly politicized (not Divine) gathering of Catholic bishops. It certainly didn't take man very long to screw up Christ's simple message of salvation to us. He has to be looking down on the world today and thinking, "I was crucified for this?"
Like I said, thats cool. You press right on ahead. But , you do error "Christian crusades or quests for empire or burning books or people at the stake" "Christians" never did that. The chuuurrrrch did. So that makes them, christian s ? NOT Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. pretty simple. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. "I do not believe the Council of Nicea that chose the canon was a Divine inspiration" Scripture says The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Draw your own conclusion. I don't put any faith in the "council of nicea" either They were a group used by God, He used an ass, a bush, And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: He can use anything for His glory The following verse is not meant to have one search other books/writings. And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: next verse But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. You don't, and actually you shouldn't go elsewhere All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: There are many books/writings that were not included in scripture. Even to this day there are many who will attempt to add a "new revelation" from God. No, men wrote and included into scripture what they were inspired of God to do. The council was no different then the aposels or prophets. From Mosses to the council to king james in 1611 (who by the way had nothing to do with what was in the bible, he was just a tool) wrote. included what God told them to. Thats what I believe. I mean if you believe Jesus (God in the flesh) was born of a virgin, died, and rose again. Thats incredible. Whats so hard to believe God could save His word for us to read? When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. Thats it, it is finished, believe it or not. Only one Scripture , it incorporates previous parts of all scripture before it, Only bible today not written from the westcott and hort (goggle them, witches?) manuscript. Formally called the holy bible, or authorized version, Now called the KJV to set it apart from the works of satan calling themselves bibles. PS: May want to reconsider that whole " Christ teaches that understanding comes from raising your consciousness and that this is the way to salvation " Sounds like works salvation, Not of works, lest any man should boast. I smoked way to much weed in my days to raise my own consciousness Im doing good just to stay with the conversation For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: take care
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#21. To: terry, 4 (#14)
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#21)
My early experience with organized religion has left me totally ignorant in matters of the Bible.
#27. To: terry (#25)
It will all flow with no contradictions.
#29. To: abraxas, 4 (#27)
#32. To: Lod (#29)
I mainly stick to the words of Christ Himself; not his biographers.
#35. To: abraxas (#32)
Personally, I believe that Christ taught the teaching of salvation in the Gospel of Thomas. Rather than saying a few words or claiming allegiance as a way to get there, he teaches that we are to raise our Consciousness.
#39. To: terry (#35)
Were not talking about the same scripture, now I understand. There is no : " Gospel of Thomas " in the bible I read
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#41. To: abraxas (#39)
Yes, we have a fundamental disagreement
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