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Title: Domestic Spying & Incident of Intimidation of Military Families: Letter from a Military Mom
Source:
Democrats. com
URL Source: http://www.democrats.com/node/7223
Published: Dec 22, 2005
Author: Robin Vaughan
Post Date: 2005-12-22 21:56:12 by Zipporah
Keywords: Intimidation, Families:, Domestic
Views: 2780
Comments: 20
Letter from a Military "Mom": I am sending this letter to you in hope of finding a source to hear my concerns. It is something that has bothered me since the occurrence, and I know it is not something that should have happened, and I worry for my family's safety as I step out to speak about this. During my son's deployment to Iraq, February 2004-February 2005: I created a small group website on MSN, for families and friends of our soldiers deployed unit. It was a membership only site, and we were a tight group of mostly "Moms", from all over the United States, just trying to make it through each day. The support and help we gave one another is a singular experience of grace, I will never forget. During the first few months of our site, the Army decided to call every single family on the site, informing them, that the site was not to be used by any of the families. The Department of Defense, called families in the middle of the night to notify them to not use the web site. Most of the families were near tears, thinking they were getting "THE" call telling them their child or loved one had been killed or injured. The information received via the phone call, was to inform the families that the base did not condone the site, nor the Army, and that it was not to be used; the gist was, families were not allowed to use the site, or they could get into "trouble". Some members reported their soldier calling from Iraq, telling them to be careful about using the site as the Army was monitoring it. As Web Mistress of the site I needed to respond and qualify this information, as well as to educate this commanding officer as to the rights and liberties of a private web site, which I did. I was told I would have to let a commanding officer on the site to monitor the messages; I did allow this, but I also informed the officer that this was a courtesy, as there is no such law, or right of the military to monitor, shut down or exclude our web site. I believe we received this order, and treatment for a couple of reasons. Occasionally we would voice our concerns publicly over what our government was failing to do to help our soldiers, or we would share or argue political opinion as well. The second reason may be; the armed services all have a group of their own family type support ("FRG); as we were not local to the base our soldiers deployed from, the site was a means to provide that support, as best as we could. The support group at our base, tried to force the site to be given over to them, which I refused. At this time I was told, I might want to be careful, as the government was monitoring the site as well. Soldiers in our unit, while in Iraq, were telling their parents to stay off of the site, or to be very careful of what they wrote. This came from a rear detachment officer in charge, and members on the site. I reminded the Army I am a private citizen, not on base, with a private site making no claims to have any affiliation with any branch of service, but clearly stating we were families and friends of our unit in support of one another. We were treated to power by intimidation. It isn't hard to make that work, when you have someone's child in a war zone. We were a group of 77 families from all over the country, at the time of the call. Every single family was phoned and told not to use the site; and I believe some 150 other families were phoned as well, as it was an official order from a commanding officer. I have waited to speak of this situation, until my son was home safe and sound and also after his transfer to another base. Yes, I was afraid of repercussions that could have harmed him, one way or another. I called my local senators office, 4 months ago, following up every 10 days to 2 weeks, and still have no answers or support. I admit I am not comfortable writing this, as required to, as I am still concerned for my son and the other soldiers and families involved on the site. We didn't endanger them by means of displaying their photos with their names, giving up information about their location and actions. We were very careful to not breach Intel protocol, learning Ops protocol, as well as respecting and complying with it. We simply were at times, vocal about our displeasure with our president and government for how our military was being treated, or how the presidential election was being handled. There a literally hundreds of military family, private support groups on the Internet. I truly believe we were singled out because of my refusal to hand the site over to the local F.R.G., as well as outspoken political beliefs. It's simply amazing that my son and others risk their lives for "Freedom" in Iraq, when his own mothers civil liberties are threatened and families are intimidated into silence, by the very same Army he is serving. I am hoping after reading this you may direct me as to where I can at least have this concern heard. Basically, are the following common practice, and legal? -The Armed services can order families from communicating in a private forum? -The Armed services can threaten private citizens first amendment rights? I want to make sure this is not happening to other service member's families. We live in a hell everyday during the deployment of our loved ones; we don't need the added bullying or stripping away our means of helping one another. Any idea, or direction you can point me in would be greatly appreciated. Also, this problem can be corroborated by other families if need be. Why did it take so long for me to step forward? Originally I contacted my Senators office, with no reply for six months, and have also spoken with the A.C.L.U; (with little hope of action due to the length of time that has passed) but until now was not willing to come forward in a public way. It took until September for my son to be safely stationed at another base, and other family's service members to either be out of the service all together or be transferred as well. We were afraid for their safety, our own, our relationships with them and their future in the service, all of these things could have been affected, and we couldn't chance one more problem or pressure being added to the already heavy load the families and soldiers live with. The intimidation worked. Is this just something silly I should let go? It doesn't seems trivial to me, but I am learning unless it happens to someone personally, no one seems to care. Thank you, for your time Robin Vaughan
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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)
great find Zip. how far we've come. This article apparently comes from a democrat/progressive web site. I guess the republicans don't care about freedom. look at the fascist pigs harassing this American woman.
There has been a lot of message traffic from the higher ups to military members to be vewwy vewwy careful about what they transmit on the Internet. This is in news articles. I'm surprised that they appear to be going after family members with 'civilian' accounts. It wouldn't surprise me if Bush's illegal eavesdropping (partially) was between a US family member and their trooper stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan.
I'm surprised that they appear to be going after family members with 'civilian' accounts. It wouldn't surprise me if Bush's illegal eavesdropping (partially) was between a US family member and their trooper stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan. Good point.. it couldve very well been..
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look at the fascist pigs harassing this American woman. Pretty sad isnt it? If she were to try to post thing on a 'conservative' or Republican site she'd have been 'zotted'.. NO free speech for YOU!
Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
I admit I am not comfortable writing this, as required to, as I am still concerned for my son and the other soldiers and families involved on the site. SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! lmao
War is good for business. Invest your son.
Isnt that the truth? So much for the 1st Amendment.. and the GD piece of paper.
Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
Amazing. These psychos demand complete uniformity. I'd get my kid out of their grasp so fast their head would spin.
Join us here, Robin. We care.
Really is sad. Still, I have a feeling that if the politcal parties were reversed it would be the "D"s screaming traitor (Notice they didn't exactly jump to the defence of Michael new) and the "R"'s acting all indignat over the violation of their rights. However, no matter the political beleifs involved, it makes me sick to see what the current leadership is doing to this country. The above is just another indication how we're going to destroy our freedoms to save them. "Fighting for Freedom"? Seems like the word "for" was added by accident.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
National Statists versus International Statists? Who cares? Where can I get some Boisenberry preserves?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
Can you imagine the stress these families are under anyway with their kids in Iraq much less the military doing this shit?
Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
ursalis majoritus?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
of course. you're right.
War is good for business. Invest your son.
A mutiny of the French army fighting in Algeria in 1958 set off a chain of events that led to De Gaulle's return to power.
If they're doing this to the soldier's families that can't be setting too well with them.. too much pressure will backfire.
Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
With or without scungeli?
Two-pronged crown is gonna cost extra.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
As will a Jelly glass of Three Feathers whiskey.
#2. To: Zipporah (#0)
#3. To: Fred Mertz (#2)
There has been a lot of message traffic from the higher ups to military members to be vewwy vewwy careful about what they transmit on the Internet. This is in news articles.
#4. To: Red Jones (#1)
how far we've come. This article apparently comes from a democrat/progressive web site. I guess the republicans don't care about freedom.
#5. To: Zipporah (#0)
I have waited to speak of this situation, until my son was home safe and sound and also after his transfer to another base. Yes, I was afraid of repercussions that could have harmed him, one way or another. I called my local senators office, 4 months ago, following up every 10 days to 2 weeks, and still have no answers or support.
#6. To: christine (#5)
#7. To: Zipporah (#0)
At this time I was told, I might want to be careful, as the government was monitoring the site as well. Soldiers in our unit, while in Iraq, were telling their parents to stay off of the site, or to be very careful of what they wrote.
#8. To: Zipporah (#0)
...no one seems to care.
#9. To: Red Jones (#1)
How far we've come. This article apparently comes from a democrat/progressive web site. I guess the republicans don't care about freedom.
#10. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
#11. To: Red Jones, Fred Mertz (#1)
How far we've come. This article apparently comes from a democrat/progressive web site. I guess the republicans don't care about freedom.
#12. To: Dakmar (#10)
After an initial bout of laughter, I realized how nuts this is (g)
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
Amazing. These psychos demand complete uniformity. I'd get my kid out of their grasp so fast their head would spin.
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
#15. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#9)
Still, I have a feeling that if the politcal parties were reversed it would be the "D"s screaming traitor (Notice they didn't exactly jump to the defence of Michael New) and the "R"'s acting all indignat over the violation of their rights.
#16. To: Zipporah (#13)
#17. To: aristeides (#16)
A mutiny of the French army fighting in Algeria in 1958 set off a chain of events that led to De Gaulle's return to power.
#18. To: Dakmar (#14)
ursalis majoritus
#19. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
#20. To: Dakmar (#19)
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