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Title: THE ATTACK AGAINST CHRISTIANITY: XIV. Prophecy and the Developing Anti-Christ World Government
Source: Come and Hear
URL Source: http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt14.html
Published: Dec 22, 2005
Author: Elizabeth Dilling
Post Date: 2005-12-22 22:55:28 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: CHRISTIANITY:, Anti-Christ, Developing
Views: 392
Comments: 35

XIV.
PROPHECY AND THE DEVELOPING
ANTI-CHRIST WORLD GOVERNMENT

To casual Christians, the logical evolution of Christianity should mean that things would get better and better with everyone living in a happy and trouble-free world. To them, present world events are a puzzle. However, this comfortable view ignores Holy Scripture and its Biblical prophecies, most of which have been completely fulfilled already. These prophecies remaining to be carried out, however, envision an anti-Christ world government, with world turmoil, suffering, slavery, and woe never before experienced in all of history. But, at the end Christ is the victor and the Satanic forces will be completely destroyed.

The driving force of this growing world anti-Christ force is Babylonian Talmudism, or so-called Judaism, and its adherents and followers.

The Anti-Christ

The Pharisee “synagogue of Satan” will have a world head as foretold by “Daniel the prophet.” (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14; Dan. 7:25; 8:23-5; 9:27; 11:31-39, 45; II Thes. 2:1-9)

In this last Biblical reference, wherein Paul is telling us that the anti-Christ must come and be demolished before Christ’s Reign here on earth, the anti-Christ is described as “the son of perdition, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God … so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” (II Thes. 2:3-4)

Indeed, the Talmud holds up the Rabbis, anti-Christian forerunners of the anti-Christ, as above all the Prophets, and even able to “create” a calf and eat it! (See Exhibit 78) “Rabbah Created a Man” is the claim of the Talmud. (See Sanhedrin 65b, Exhibit 72)

The myth that the Rabbis created Golem, or zombie men they could make do their bidding, is cherished and repeated in each century as Baal Shem Jewish doctrine.

Take Matthew 24 or Mark 13 in which Christ foretells the present age. Luke 21 is also a report of His Olivet discourse. The wars of nation against nation begin the final “sorrows.” (Matt. 24:7-8) The persecution of Christians “in all nations” follows. Then comes the Falling Away or apostacy of Christians, which Paul describes as the sign of the finish (II Thes. 2) and this is also noted by Christ in the verse 12 of Matthew, Chapter 24. Then is the “sign” of the clean-up when “the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet [shall] stand in the holy place.”

The Jerusalem Temple Rebuilding

The holy place always refers to the Jerusalem Temple. But there has been no Temple for an anti-Christ to stand in since, as Christ foretold at the very beginning of His discourse (Matt. 24:2), the Temple would be left without one stone upon another,” not “thrown down.” Titus dragged a plow over Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

In 1958, however, a new “Hechal” (temple) Shlomo on the highest hill in Jerusalem was dedicated. Two of the three million dollars cost was donated by a British chain store operator, Isaac Wolfson (National Jewish Post, 5/16/58, etc.). The building of this temple had been pledged by a delegation from 550 Orthodox synagogues in the U.S.A. which visited Israel (London Jewish Chronicle, 4/2/54). It is called a “world center of Judaism.” Rabbis of the whole world are expected to receive their orders from this Temple establishment.

Perhaps this very temple will be the future place where the “abomination of desolation” foretold by Daniel (Chapter 11:31) is to take place.

Now Comes the United Nations

There has been no one world power since the Capitol of the Eastern Roman empire, Constantinople, fell to the Turks in 1453, a thousand years after Rome fell to Attila the Hun, in 453. Now the machinery for a seventh anti-God world government has been set up by the Babylonian Talmudists in the form of the United Nations.

The American Jewish Year Books, put out yearly by the world czars of money, industrial and political power, encompassing the Rothschilds, Lazard Freres, Lehmans, Kuhn Loebs, international bankers, in short, by the American Jewish Committee, have chronicled each and every step in their accomplishment, the creation of this vehicle for world power. And this, following less than thirty years after the Red take-over of Christian Russia, was financed by Kuhn, Loeb & Co., and other Jewish banking houses, as is detailed elsewhere herein.

The United Nations of over a hundred nations centered in New York City, is a Godless, prayerless assemblage. Its only religious emblem, in Babylonian style, is the nude, lewd statue of the sex-god Zeus, counterpart of Tammuz, Adonis and others, in ancient times. He stands, unspeakably modeled, arms outstretched, commanding the great entrance hall of the U.N.

When the Greeks conquered the world they spread the propaganda that their sex-god Zeus, who had according to legend, raped his mother and his sister, was also the progenitor and unifier of all the sex-gods of the Greek world. For the United Nations, Zeus can only represent “unity” in [page 92] abomination and lust.

The Developing “Babylonian” World Government

In the Bible, the very word Babylon is used to symbolize everything foul and pagan. It is agreed by various commentaries that the curses upon Babylon in Isaiah 13, 14 and Jeremiah 50, 51 refer not merely to the Babylonian empire of ancient times but to the future world government to end this age.

Christ in his Revelation from the Spirit to John, about 96 A.D., said: “There are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is [in power] and the other is not yet come … and goeth into perdition.” (Rev. 17:10) Five world kingdoms had then come and gone: Egypt, Assyria, Babylonia, Medo-Persia, Greece. Rome was then in power over the whole known world. Christ describes the coming world government as red, or scarlet colored, as a behind-the-scenes or “mystery” power, and calls it “Babylon The Great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth … drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.” Its scope is likened to a beast with ten horns, which are ten kings that will reign very briefly — “one hour.” The harlot “reigneth over the kings of the earth.” (Rev. 17) For the complete control of trade and industry by “her merchants,” read Revelation 18:11.

The excoriations against Babylon by Jesus Christ from the Spirit about 96 A.D., over 600 years after the fall of actual Babylon, had, necessarily, to refer to a future World Government controlled by a whore-like Babylonian minded anti-God, anti-Christ regime to come, not a long-gone Babylonian Empire.

The ten component parts of this World Government which make war on the “Lamb,” as chronicled in Revelation 17:12-14, as well as the prophecy of the satanic anti-Christ, correspond with the prophecy of Daniel the Prophet on the same ten-king anti-God power (Daniel 7:24). But its complete defeat is also foretold in both places.

See how similarly Jeremiah and Christ have described the final events. Jeremiah ends his long denunciation in Chapter 51 thus:

“And it shall be, when thou hast made an end of reading this book, that thou shalt bind a stone to it and cast it into the midst of the Euphrates: And thou shalt say, thus shall Babylon sink, and shall not rise from the evil that I will bring upon her … . Thus far are the words of Jeremiah.” (Jer. 51:63-4)

And Christ, after prophesying the fall of the Red, anti-Christ Babylonian world power run by rich men, says:

“And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all … thy merchants were the great men of the earth: for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.”

Then the last verse, on the Babylonian Harlot:

“And in her were found the blood of Prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.” (Rev. 18:24)

In Matthew 23, when Christ was facing the Pharisees eye to eye and calling them “Hypocrites!,” again and again, he said:

“… Ye are the children of them which killed the Prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents … how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify … and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel (Matt. 23:31-35)

Thus did Christ link the Pharisees of His time with the rulers of the Babylonian Red World Power to come and to be sunken like a stone in deep water.

Isaiah, in 712 B.C., foretold the fall of the Babylonian world power, still in the future, in the same words as Christ did at the end of the first century. The Babylonian wicked woman directress of it is to fall “for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.” (Isa. 47:9; Rev. 18:7)

Moses commanded: “There shall not be found among you any one … that useth divination, or an observer of times [astrology] or an enchanter of a witch.” (Deuteronomy 18:10) And those black arts are denounced throughout Scripture. They may evoke power, but only cursed power.

Isaiah on the Anti-Christ

For a perfect description of the anti-Christ we have Isaiah’s picture in Isaiah 14:12-17. This is a description of the fall of the Babylonian World Power at end of this age, the end of the seventh world government we now see coming about.

“How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cast down to the ground which did weaken the nations! For thou has said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation … I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit …

“They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee … saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms? That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?’’

That last reminds one of the vast concentration camps housing millions of innocent people under Communism.

Isaiah continues:

“Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name and remnant and son, and nephew, saith the Lord (Isa. 14:12-21)

No wonder the Babylonian Talmudists call this fictitious!

That this did not apply to the transfer of the ancient Babylonian kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar to Cyrus, the [page 93] Medo-Persian, which took place in 536 B.C., is shown by the fact that Cyrus did not destroy a stone of the great capitol of Babylon, making its gorgeous palace his winter residence.

The same prophecies as to future occurrences were made not only by Jeremiah and Daniel, but by Christ in His Revelation (96 A. D.) where the fall of the then non-existent World government of Babylon, linked to the Pharisees, climaxes in the 17th and 18th chapters. (See Daniel 11:45; Rev. 17:10-11; II Thes. 2:3-4) Compare Jeremiah 51:7-8 with the still-future Revelation of Christ in the first century: Rev. 17:3-5, calling the 7th World Government, directed by a Babylonian “whore,” also its fall, like a stone: Jer. 51:63-4 and Rev. 18:21).

That fall was still future when Christ (96 A.D.) foretold its fall in Revelations 17: it “goeth into perdition” (verse 11). The sixth or Roman world government was then in power. Compare the prophecy of the fall of this demon-employing power in Jeremiah 51: “And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwelling place for dragons … Babylon hath been a golden cup … that made all the earth drunken … therefore the nations are mad.” (Jer. 51:37, 7 )

Such worldwide events await us.

And in Christ’s Revelation of this future fall: “the great whore … was arrayed in purple and scarlet color … having a golden cup in her hand … . And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.” (Rev. 17:1-5)

The Jewish “Messianic” Reign

Although some Jews look for an individual War Lord who will help place Jewry on the throne of the World, the actual view of Judaism is that the Jewish people themselves comprise the Messiah, and their right is to be collectively the “Messianic” reign (actually foretold for Christ, not the Jews, in the Bible). The tribulation foretold to precede the reign of Christ, in which Satanism strives to subdue the world, is scoffed at by the Talmud and called “fictitious.” Babylonian power will not fall, they say. Babylon will be immune from suffering, according to Talmudism, despite the Biblical prophecies to the contrary: “We have a tradition that Babel (Babylon) will not witness the sufferings that will precede the coming of the Messiah.” After “sufferings” in the foregoing is the note that the sufferings “frequent in modern Christian books is fictitious …” (Talmud, Kethuboth IIIa - Exhibit 147)

Any tribulation will be but the throes of “mother Zion” which is in labor to bring forth “the messiah — without metaphor, the Jewish people.” (Kethuboth IIIa, same Exhibit) In other words to call the Jewish people the Messiah is no metaphor, they are literally just that; they are the Messiah, says the Talmud.

A Talmud passage in Sanhedrin 98b (Exhibit 100) records exulting words of the Pharisee rabbis: “The Jews are destined to eat their fill in the days of Messiah.” A footnote (same Exhibit) states that “the Israelites, having fallen, were replaced in power by the Gentiles — but on their recovery, it will be difficult to remove the Gentiles from their position without inflicting much suffering.” And (same Exhibit):

“The years of plenty which the Messiah will usher in will be enjoyed by the Israelites.”

Bear in mind, always, that the pagan Babylonian Talmudists have stolen the Biblical names for the followers of the Holy One of Israel (Christ), who believe in Him and in the Israel prophets who foretold Him. Biblically, as noted elsewhere herein, the genealogically nondescript, self-styled “Jews” are actually “Gentiles,” and Christians are, spirtually, “Israel.”

The congregation of Israel was never a racial entity, any more than Catholicism or Protestantism. The Bible testifies to that. All blessings promised Christians are attempted to be stolen by the Talmudists. However, those who love and try to follow the “Holy One of Israel,” Christ, are the true congregation of Israel,” into which anyone of right spirit may enter. (Isa. 56:1-7; Gal. 3:28-9, etc.)

Many sincere Christians, ignorant of the facts, believe present-day Jews to be “people of the Book” returning as “chosen of God” to their Israel homeland. This is totally false. In fact, the whole theory that God’s Chosen People return to Palestine before the reign of the Messiah is unsupported by a line in the New Testament, which foretells only that the Anti-Christ forces will be centered in and defeated in Palestine before His Coming. They are there now.

More About the Jewish “Messianic” Era

A typical Talmud coverup passage reads:

“A Min [Christian] said to Rabbi Abbahu, ‘When will the Messiah come?’ he replied, ‘When darkness covers those people’ — Alluding to the questioner and his companions — ‘You curse me,’ he exclaimed.”

Concerning the “darkness”:

“The cock said to the bat. ‘I look forward to the light, because I have sight; but of what use is the light to thee?’”

And all this is explained:

“Thus Israel should hope for redemption, because it will be a day of light to them, but why should the Gentiles, seeing that for them it will be a day of darkness?” (Exhibit 101)

The Talmud outlines the place to be given the non-Pharisees (called “Canaanites”) in this “Messianic” world of the future. Those Jews buried in Israel will be “resurrected” and the non-Pharisees will have their place as “as the people that are like an ass — slaves who are considered property of the master.” A Biblical verse about Abraham going up to pray and telling his young men to “Abide ye here with the ass,” and he would return to them (Gen. 22:5) is dragged in for the purpose of saying that the correct interpretation of this verse is that non-Jews are “people that are like an ass — slaves who are considered the property of the master.” (See Exhibit 48)

Chad Gadyah

That Passover song, Chad Gadyah (the “Only Kid”) heralds the day, after one nation has devoured another (in accordance with Daniel’s prophecies: (Dan. 7:23, etc.). when only the Talmudist or self-styled “Israel” is left. It ends: “The most Holy — blessed be He — destroyed the angel [page 94] of death that slew the slaughterer that killed the ox that drank the water that quenched the fire, that burned the stick that beat the dog that bit the cat that ate the kid which my father bought for two zuzim.” Chad Gadyah is “The Only Kid,” namely, the Talmudists.

The Jewish Encyclopedia is more veiled about its true meaning than is a book by Rabbi Morris S. Lazaron (Block Publishing Co., “The Jewish Book Concern,” 1928) called: Ask the Rabbi — 2,000 Questions and Answers About the Jew.

One question (on page 23, answered on page 141) is: “What is the sequence in the song, ‘The Only Kid’ supposed to symbolize?

“Answers: The rise and fall of great nations, each of whom destroys another until only Israel is left.”

And this exactly matches Daniel’s prophetic description of the seventh world government, the fourth to come after Nebuchadnezzar’s, namely, Medo-Persian, Greek, Roman, and Red: “The fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.” (Daniel 7:23).

Babylon and Israel

Babylon and its spiritual head, Israel, is the future place of messianic world rule envisioned by Jews. Jews have actually gone to die in Israel to save themselves the pain of “rolling through cavities” to get to Israel when their rule comes.

However, Pharisaic “brotherhood” in atheistic Communism, in a World having no nationalism except Pharisaism, is built on Satan’s, not God’s plan. The final world-despot, anti-Christ, will fall. As the Prophet Micah (710 B.C.) foretold of the future kingdom of Christ on earth: “they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree: and none shall make him afraid.” (Micah 4:4) No more prison-like collectives, no more killing, slavery and suffering, as is already the case in Talmudist-dominated Communist countries.

Christ’s Identification Marks

That we are in the seventh, the Red, the anti-Christ world government is clear. Christ in His Revelation foretold the rationing feature of its totalitarianism. (Rev. 13:16-17) He said that the number of the anti-Christ’s name would add up to 666. Gematria is a code system of Pharisaism which is in use today as in Christ’s time. The scale of letter values is printed in Cabalistic works.

The anti-Christ World Dictator to come will let no man “buy or sell, save he that has the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” (Rev. 13:18) In war-time and in the Iron Curtain countries, dictatorship by rationing is already practiced, and thus foreshadows the above.

Christ calls this world government “scarlet colored,” or red, as we say. “Israel” is a home of the Red Flag. Articles in the Jewish press have deplored the flamboyant way the Red Flag is flown on red May Day. No wonder. The ruling party, Mapai, is a section of the Second International of Marxist red parties. Its official songs (printed in my Roosevelt Red Record and Its Background, as reproduced from the Socialist song sheet) include “The Red Flag, and the Soviet International,” with its anti-Christ words:

“We want no condescending saviors to judge us from a judgment hall.

“We workers ask not for their favors; let us consult for all!

“Tis the final conflict, let each stand in his place, the International Soviet [or Party] shall be the human race.”

This is sung with upraised clenched fist.

The Israel Mapam is a party Marxist like Mapai and even more pro-Soviet and pro-Russian. The other parties are Marxian splinter parties.

The great Histadrut, which received millions of dollars from American unions, etc., is run on Soviet lines. Industries, banks, buslines, collective farms, are owned in Soviet socialist fashion. One Jewish writer described the Israeli collective farms, the “kibbutzim,” as more Soviet than Russian ones, called “kolhozes.”

That “Jewish Messianic feeling” has engendered false confidence. The fall of this Babylonian Talmudic world power now building with increasing rapidity, is foretold not only by Christ. Jeremiah 51, Isaiah 13 and 14, are samples of Old Testament prophecy of the same fate, which is complete annihilation.

Daniel said the anti-Christ would magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods … in his estate shall he honor the god of forces … yet he shall come to his end and none shall help him.” (Daniel 11:36, 38, 45)

In the meantime, we must do our part. The red Babylonian seventh world government will come down, Christ said, “by the blood of the lamb, and by the word of their testimony” who “loved not their lives unto the death.” (Revelation 12:11) For “ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.” (John 8:32)

Those in these times “that do know their God shall be strong and do exploits,” said Daniel and shall instruct many and “shine as the stars forever.” (Daniel 11:32-3; 12:2)

May you be prepared to help overcome by the word of your testimony the onslaught we now see of world Satanic forces and “shine as the stars forever.”


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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

This New Life is endless, and even after my physical death it will be kept alive by those who live the life of complete renunciation of falsehood, lies, hatred, anger, greed and lust;

and who, to accomplish all this, do no lustful actions, do no harm to anyone, do no backbiting, do not seek material possessions or power, who accept no homage, neither covet honor nor shun disgrace, and fear no one and nothing;

by those who rely wholly and solely on God, and who love God purely for the sake of loving;

who believe in the lovers of God and in the reality of Manifestation, and yet do not expect any spiritual or material reward;

who do not let go the hand of Truth,

and who, without being upset by calamities, bravely and wholeheartedly face all hardships with one hundred percent cheerfulness, and give no importance to caste, creed and religious ceremonies.

This New Life will live by itself eternally, even if there is no one to live it.

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-22   22:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

No one had the guts to leave the temple...

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-22   23:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

By believing this crap, everyone participates in a self-fulfilling prophecy BLINDLY.

People are sheep, and they do what their shepherds tell them. Idiots, all of them.

The only God there is on this earth is the ones created by mankind in order to facilitate control over the human race.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-12-23   0:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#3)

The only God there is on this earth is the ones created by mankind in order to facilitate control over the human race.

Care to prove that.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-23   0:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)

The only God there is on this earth is the ones created by mankind in order to facilitate control over the human race.

Care to prove that.

Logical proof is immaterial in matters of faith, by defination.

tom007  posted on  2005-12-23   1:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#4)

EVERY, and I mean EVERY single religion, that has been created has been about two things, revenue generation, and adherence to doctrine. Those who control the doctrine, and administer the faith, have control over the people who follow along.

No better example would be the Catholic Church. For 500 years they keep humanity in their thrall until the age of enlightenment.

Why I even respond to your idiocy is beyond me. EVERY RELIGION IS A FARCE.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-12-23   1:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: tom007 (#5)

This guy is a fucking moron, and showing him the truth is a lot like trying to teach a jackass to sing. Although, someone did teach him how to type. Likely, he's probably one of the many Christian Dupes who voted for Bush the last two elections.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-12-23   1:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Care to prove that.

"If God did not exist, man would be forced to invent Him."
- St. Augustine.

Greater minds than ours have already traveled this path and come to similar conclusions.

St. Augustine is interesting, if tiring, reading. He pretty much singlehandedly developed the doctrine of Original Sin. Reading how he came to this conclusion in his own words is a worthwhile effort.

mirage  posted on  2005-12-23   4:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

I found a mistake BTP - the KJV of the bible says the truth shall 'make' you free not the truth shall 'set' you free as the article above quotes. I don't know why that verse is mis-quoted so often.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-23   8:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

May you be prepared to help overcome by the word of your testimony the onslaught we now see of world Satanic forces and “shine as the stars forever.”

well that is a great article BTP. I don't have absolute confidence that EVERY interpretation and angle taken in the article are correct, but overall I like it a lot.

I am convinced that the New World Order is the babylon of end times that is mentioned so prominently in the bible over so many different books.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-23   8:16:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#7)

This guy is a fucking moron, and showing him the truth is a lot like trying to teach a jackass to sing. Although, someone did teach him how to type. Likely, he's probably one of the many Christian Dupes who voted for Bush the last two elections.

I voted Bush in 2000 and hated him since about 6 months or so after 911. I voted for Peroutka. Who did you vote for. Why the hostility towards me, do I threaten your ignorant belief system?

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-23   17:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Red Jones (#9)

I don't know why that verse is mis-quoted so often.

It is amazing the number of verses that are altered or outright deleted between KJV and most other 'translations' of the Bible. This is certainly deliberate. Perhaps (although JMO) this has something to do with the warnings from Jesus about being deceived.

who knows what evil  posted on  2005-12-23   19:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#11)

My belief system is far from ignorant. My faith is not blind, nor is it misplaced.

The fact that I have not voted for Bush PERIOD, means that I exercised some common sense, something that the Christian Right is sorely lacking. I voted for Buchanan in 2000, and Peroutka in 2004. Unfortunately they weren't viable choices as the people of this country, on both sides are too stupid to know the truth when it stares them in the face. Bush, Kerry, Bush, Gore, both sides of the same coin, both heads of the same hydra.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-12-23   23:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#13)

I voted for Buchanan in 2000

I intended to vote Buchanan in 2000. I made a mistake and feared clinton to much and voted for Bush. We both voted Peroutka this time around. So we aren't to far apart on some of our political views. One more thing, are you aware that both Buchanan and Peroutka believe in God?

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-24   0:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

I believe in God too, but not the bullshit that is touted as truth.

God does not choose one group of people over another based on geography, or blood. If that were the case, then God wouldn't have created lesser beings or people.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-12-24   0:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#15)

I believe in God too, but not the bullshit that is touted as truth.

God does not choose one group of people over another based on geography, or blood. If that were the case, then God wouldn't have created lesser beings or people.

Were you raised catholic or something.

What makes you so sure of yourself. You have a lot of hostility towards God. Lighten up he loves everyone.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-24   0:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#15)

I believe in God too, but not the bullshit that is touted as truth.

So you think God would be so cruel as not to reveal himself to people on earth and leave us to figure it out for ourselves. That is not to logical.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-24   0:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#13)

Maybe you are not as sure in your Athiest faith as you think. Otherwise why vote for the theocraticly oriented Peroutka over the Atheistic Randian Badnaric?????!!!!!

Coral Snake  posted on  2005-12-24   1:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Let me get this straight, islam & christianity are under attack - that leaves what? Judaica?

Okay, I get it. a lot of things make sense, now.

Hoodathunkit?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-12-24   2:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Coral Snake, *You Gotta Be Shitting Me* (#18)

FUCK OFF. I'm not an atheist. I'm just not a deluded jackass who believes what other people FORCED him to believe.

You have NEVER debated the FACT that ALL religions are about revenue generation, and the subversion of the Human Will. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Even the fucking Hari Krishnas all have to pay in to buy their faith. To pay tithe and tribute to some bullshit deified annointed representative on this planet.

THE GOD I BELIEVE IN, Doesn't want me to take my marching orders from some prick who demands my money so that he can dupe more people out of THEIR money so he or she can live better than the flock. My God doesn't give a goddamn about a piece of land for the Jews in Israel. My God does not give a flying fuck on a goddamned donut about what race, color, creed, or geographical location of where the hell I'm from. The God I believe in doesn't choose sides, or play favorites. DOES YOURS??? YES HE DOES, and you know that's the first sign you're following a False God, is that you somehow think that YOUR god is the ONLY way to heaven or some hereafter where you praise, and worship forever in eternity.

My God doesn't have to have his ego stroked to feel good about the fact that he's God. My God doesn't choose favorites because pitting one child against another never turns out good. My God has the common sense to see that loving one child more than another on the basis of genetics is a big fucking mistake, considering that ALL of us are supposedly created equal in the eyes of God.

You Christians are about as Satanic as it gets. In fact, I'm probably one of a handful of people that actually gets it. Your Truth, Your Subjectivity, YOUR OUTRIGHT FUCKING LUNACY is enough to make me want to vomit. THE LIES ALONE are enough to put me over the edge. How you can sit there and say that somehow your God and YOUR faith makes you more enlightened, or more loved in the eyes of God?

The believe that one is superior to another, and more loved by God because of some kind of mindless group think is a blatant affront to God.

God loves ALL people and hates all people equally. Good, Bad, it makes no difference as everyone has a place in the big scheme of things. Even me, who you've branded an Atheist, which is more proof of your FUCKING IDIOCY, is loved by God no matter what I say or do. Why? Because we all have a place in the universe, so you better get fucking used to it.

Take your fucking idiocy and shut the hell up. Your arguments carry no weight. Your faith in what is a pack of lies told by old men to enslave the young is an abomination to God.

ALL organized religions on this planet are an affront to God, because they have been used time and time again to subvert the will of man, and to enslave entire nations of people to do the will, and bidding of evil men. You know this, and I know this, and the difference between us, is that I, am honest about the facts, and you however are not.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-12-24   3:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone, *You Gotta Be Shitting Me* (#20)

See the above post. It pertains to you, and Coral Snake.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-12-24   3:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TommyTheMadArtist, ALL (#21)

http://cloakanddagger.de/shows/webcast/Hammell/CLOAKANDDAGGER_JOH N%20HAMMELL.mp3

Culling The Herds Using CODEX

Audio Briefing by John Hammell

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-12-24   3:14:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#20)

THE GOD I BELIEVE IN, Doesn't want me

You're such a fool. You made up your own God in your head. He is your creation. That makes you your own God. To reject the ONE true God is very foolish. I think you were probably raised catholic and molested or maybe had a truck dropped on your head.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-24   11:25:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#22)

here we sit and argue among ourselves and they are planning to cull the herd with CODEX (and other means). great link to download in #22.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-24   11:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Red Jones (#24)

Merry CHRISTmas anyway.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-12-24   11:36:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#23)

THE GOD I BELIEVE IN, Doesn't want me to take my marching orders from

I think you may have mis-interpreted Tommy's meaning.

I used to like going to this small church that met in a guy's home. But the pastor told us that whatever punishment the Israelis doled out to the Palestinians was god's judgement of the palestinians. and he told us that george bush was touched by god and that we should all vote for him. I can't take marching orders from a guy like that. The conscience that god gave me won't allow me to.

the palestinians are ordinary people. We have no business participating in any judgement of them.

think of it, jesus was born in bethleham. Bethleham including the palestinian christians of bethleham is heavily persecuted today. and the 'christians' of america many of them support this persecution. insanity. The persecution against the palestinians is very strong, people don't appreciate how strong it is. The palestinians are truly very down-trodden.

I believe that when you translate from hebrew to english the word 'bethleham' it means 'house of bread'. This is the city where jesus was born. and as you know jesus is the bread of life, given to us by god. we partake and we live. we reject and we die. and when he was born he was put into a manger. a manger is a device for feeding animals. god put him there, the bread of life in the house of bread to feed us.

none of our pastors or preachers or clerics gave us this bread. only god gave us this bread.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-24   11:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Red Jones, Itisa1mosttoolate (#24)

here we sit and argue among ourselves and they are planning to cull the herd with CODEX (and other means). great link to download in #22.

Good point Red, thanks for the link Itisa1mosttoolate.

All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.

~George Orwell

robin  posted on  2005-12-24   13:26:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)

I think you were probably raised catholic and molested

what an outlandish presumption!

The Iraq War is an unconstitutional, unjustifiable conflict devouring innocent lives and abetting the growth of an increasingly lawless leviathan state. It must be ended -- now.

christine  posted on  2005-12-24   13:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: christine (#28)

I think you were probably raised catholic and molested

what an outlandish presumption!

Ok, im sorry. The guy does have some kind of unhealthy hatred of the Bible though. There must be a cause.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-24   13:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#29)

Ok, im sorry. The guy does have some kind of unhealthy hatred of the Bible though. There must be a cause.

It's funny, you apologize to her, and not me for your fucking idiocy.

I don't have a hatred for the Bible. What I have a hatred for, is idiots, lunatics, and zealots who tout their believe as the ONLY truth in the world, when in fact they can't defend the fact that it's been used to control, and enslave humanity for 2000 years. You are one of those morons, those poor deluded morons who quite frankly will likely be the first to walk into the deathcamps because you follow everyone, and everything blindly. God gave you eyes, and yet you cannot and will not see. Hilarious...

What's funnier still is that Christians say they're right because their messiah came back from the dead after 3 days and ascended. Guess what? So did Zoroaster. Before there was Jesus, there were a bazillion other gods and faiths. The only reason why this one became popular was because the Roman Empire backed it, and used it to usurp the authority of every culture it came into contact with. Don't even get me started on Islam, because it did the same thing.

For anyone to say that their faith comes from God, or the truth of God comes from a book that was written, and re-written by human beings is deluded. I didn't create the God I believe in, he was already there.

I don't care where your faith comes from, nor do I care what religion you choose, so long as you realize that your faith has been used as a means to destroy cultures, and enslave people who willingly believe the lies told by men who seek power. Every church, every mosque, every synagogue, is full of vile corruption, and will be cast out in the last days. God hates people who use his words to beget evil.

Even more of a revelation is the fact that every single thing that is happening today, has happened 1000 times before hand, and God never once intervened, he just simply let it happen. The Devil, God, they're the same thing, because in the big scheme of things, we're all here to play our parts and exit the stage by dying.

Your faith, Your God... Just as imaginary as the tooth fairy and Big Foot. My God is real because I see him in action every day, and he sure as hell doesn't speak through you.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-12-24   16:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Red Jones (#26)

Red, AKA Stone is an idiot. He has no idea of what God is about. He might know the bible, but he knows nothing about God.

On top of that, he has this overdeveloped sense of righteousness. My guess is that he's closer to death than the rest of us and is going out of his way to try to make up for past sins.

Whatever his problem is, he can cram it. It's not God I have a problem with, it's him that I cannot stand.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-12-24   16:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#31)

I certainly don't want to get between you guys.

I liked reading your post above.

You are a talented artist producing things. The strong-dollar policy I always rail about disadvantages people like you. You produce. But you must compete against these chinese who have the advantage of the currency manipulation. You go to the bank and they will not finance an american based system of production. Meanwhile a fat real estate developer who can only see dollars prospers from the inflation of money supply going on, yet he produces nothing.

I admire & respect you Tommy over this.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-24   16:44:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#30)

What I have a hatred for, is idiots, lunatics, and zealots who tout their believe as the ONLY truth in the world, when in fact they can't defend the fact that it's been used to control, and enslave humanity for 2000 years.

well said, Tommy.

The Iraq War is an unconstitutional, unjustifiable conflict devouring innocent lives and abetting the growth of an increasingly lawless leviathan state. It must be ended -- now.

christine  posted on  2005-12-24   17:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#30)

The apology was meant for you. On one small point. Saying you were molested. I used to read your posts and respect your opinion. Now I realize your just an anti christian bigot. Everyone who rejects christ will go to hell. That includes you. I will pray that you wise up.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-24   17:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#31)

Red, AKA Stone is an idiot. He has no idea of what God is about. He might know the bible, but he knows nothing about God.

You can't know God without knowing the Bible. I feel sorry for you.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-24   17:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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