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Title: My Questions on 9/11 WTC explosions/collapses (VANITY)
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Mehitable
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Published: Dec 23, 2005
Author: Mehitable
Post Date: 2005-12-23 10:57:26 by mehitable
Keywords: explosions/collapses, Questions, (VANITY)
Views: 821
Comments: 36
I was wondering if any of you good folks can point me to articles or information about the WTC collapse. Like most people I just took it at face value that the planes flew into the buildings, exploded, and the towers collapsed. I'm usually not gullible, but heck, I saw it with my own eyes and I'm not an engineer or physicist or explosions expert. Now I'm starting to wonder about just how a plane could fly into a skyscraper like that and make the whole thing collapse. Not just once, but twice. How is that possible? I would expect that there'd be one hell of a hole but we have tornados that hit skyscrapers and don't knock the whole thing down. I'm not some kind of crank who believes in conspiracies around every corner, but sometimes they actually do happen. I'm wondering what folks think are the best sites for info? I'm aware of Awoken but are there any others? Also, does anyone have any info on other incidents of planes flying into buildings/structures and what happened as a result? Have any computer simulations of 9/11 been done with the appropriate simulation for planes, fuel, building construction, etc., to see exactly what the most likely result of such a collision would be - scientifically speaking? Either those buildings were badly designed, which is possible, I guess - but they did withstand earlier bombings, didn't they - or there's something fishy here. I think enough time has elapsed from the grief of 9/11 to start looking at this objectively.
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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, Zipporah, valis (#0)
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WTC 7 is the REALLY big question mark. No plane hit that one.
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Actually an explosive expert looked at 9/11 rationally right from the start. When he saw the towers collapse the first thing he said was that there is no way that the planes hitting them and the resulting fires caused the building to collapse like that. He said it more than likely was explosives set off in the building and that the plane hitting it was just a diversionary tactic to get rescue personnel there and then blow them up, something terrorists are known to do. Does this mean you are available? (i.e., looking for the right guy, or any guy). If so then I might like to meet you. Merry Christmas.
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In all of German-occupied Europe , there were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews applied for Holocaust reparations. Tragically, the remaining 6 million were lost.
Why would they blow up building 7 though?
OOHHHH, I see what you mean - no, actually I didn't know anybody in the Towers myself - just a couple of folks in the surrounding neighborhoods, which is bad enough, I guess. Sorry, I'm taken :)
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In all of German-occupied Europe , there were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews applied for Holocaust reparations. Tragically, the remaining 6 million were lost.
hmmmm....interesting....
I see I have a lot of research to do over the Xmas holiday :) Thanks to all of you for this great info. When I look at these pictures, it just doesn't look right to me. Why would there be explosions around the entire upper half of the building when a plane hits one side? It might just be my ignorance of how these things work, but intuitively, it doesn't look right. And then to have the entire two buildings (and bldg 7) collapse completely. I don't see how a plane could do that. Have any NYC fire fighters come out with opinions on this?
Hi mehitable. One site that I would definately recommend that is simple and to the point is: http://www.911proof.com/ Lots of good stuff there. PM me if you are looking for something specific, and I can probably point you in the right direction.. cheers - v
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Thanks, valis. Ya know, one thing the govt can't stop people from doing is...thinking. And then asking questions based on that thinking. Even if there's nothing "wrong" here and no govt involvement, there are legitimate questions raised here that obviously have not been addressed. Equally obviously a lot of information is either "not available" or appears to have been covered up or lied about. The problem with a cover-up is that as soon as one begins evident, the question always becomes: What are they covering up? Why are they lying? And that's when the speculation starts....
http://www .911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/index.html http://infowars.com/resource s.html#WHITEWASH http://algoxy.com/psych/9- 11scenario.html http://cosmic penguin.com/911/chrisbrown/corerefs/index.html http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=14677 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=86803 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=85726 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=84663 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=84473 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=84181 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=81850 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=83157 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=30926 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=81128 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=81598 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=80810 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=80329 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=76502 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75967 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75472 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75250 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=72979
I always tell people of Jimmy Walter's offer of one million dolars to anyone who can prove the towers were not brought down by explosives. Go Here: http://Reopen911.org Then there is the paper written by Professor Steven Jones of the BYU physics department that proves WTC 7 collapsed from explosives pre-positioned prior to 9-11. Go Here: http://www.physics.b yu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html There is a website dedicated to WTC building 7 which never was hit by a plane but collapsed in 6.6 seconds which was just .6 seconds longer than the 6 seconds it would have taken for a 47 story building to collapse in free fall. Go Here: http://www.wtc7.net
http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=67817 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=64408 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=55519 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=51203 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=49488 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=38941 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=36121 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=35414
I've started looking over some of these sites, again - thank you all. It appears pretty obvious that the govt investigation into 9/11 was the 21th century version of the Warren Commission. What the govt never seems to take into consideration is that our own bias and emotions (for most people) is automatically in favor of our govt. Who wants to believe that their govt is totally corrupt, run by evil men and women, and that we have no control over it, nor any true democracy? That's a bitter pill. However, when the govt goes through such extraordinary lengths to cover up information, prevent investigation, stop witnesses from testifying, hides evidence - one has to look at the govt as the prime suspect. What other conclusion could be drawn? If the govt were not so eager to cover things up and lie to us, they could have simply presented the perfectly plausible idea that more Islamic terrorists had hidden explosives within the WTC and, timed with the plane hits, detonated them. This would have given them an entirely plausible reason for the explosions and the behavior of the buildings without having to cover anything up. But such a simple (if untrue) explanation doesn't seem to occur to these folks....
http://www.prisonplanet.com/0 11904wtc7.html http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=29807 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=29041&Disp=42#C42 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=30747 http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=22793
then they would've had to explain how the arab terrorists got such strong access to the building. The lights in the building were off either the night before or 2-3 nights before the event. This dimming of the lights like this had never happened since the building was first opened in early 1970's. there was evidently a massive operation to plant bombs. They didn't want to point people's attention to that. Remember, reality is created by repeating those truths on tv. A simple story sells. It doesn't matter if there are holes in the story. get people thinking too much and you can't fool them. doesn't matter if a small percentage of the population sees through their explanations. Dissent is to be squelched.
Jim's money's safe. I just hope he stays the same.
hmmm...I guess it depends on what the simplest story is. See, if I were going to lie, I would tell a lie as close to the truth as possible as I would figure it would cover just enough of the particulars to get me by, especially if I told it with conviction (like, say...Rush Limbaugh). I would think an easier lie would be to say that Islamic terrorists snuck into the building - oops, yeah our security kind of sucks, but they snuck into the building before during Clinton's admin - and damned if they didn't plant more explosives. To me, that would have been a more logical cover-up as it would explain the physical facts of the case, but just shift the blame to Islamics, which probably 99% of the American people would accept quite readily. The only question would be the security question, and the simple answer to that is...we goofed or some variation of that. However, to try to defy physical reality and science, just asks too much of too many thinking folks. These cover-ups are usually so badly designed. They're not good liars, just vigorous.
And perhaps we may still see this lie in the future. In a related story, Austrian art commandos carry contraband to Floor Ninety-One, Tower One to build a "balcony" Here are a few links some have to do with the collapse others do not all are on 9/11: http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11 http://www.snowshoefilms.com/911coverup.html Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7/fire.html http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian/WTC/WTC_ch1.htm http://www.media-criticism.com/911_Theory_10_2003.html http://tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_-_all_the_proof_you_need.html http://www.wtc7.net/cache/killtown_wtc7.html http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11BasicQuestions.html http://www.wanttoknow.info/050908insidejob911 http://www.welfarestate.com/911/ http://chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread8820.html http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html http://rense.com/general59/ul.htm http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/ http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_firefighters.html http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/hufschmid/CloudsOfConcrete_2.html
I am glad you didn't know any one that in the towers that got killed on 9/11, and I hope none that you knew got killed in the surrounding neighborhoods, but I don't think you SEE what I mean at all.
God is always good! You have to be very young and uninformed to say something like this. Most people do not trust the government, of that I can assure you. Poll after poll confirms this fact. No one in their right mind would buy a government story that Islamists just planted the bombs in the WTC when we weren't looking. Very few mostly naive people would buy such a story. The government knows that people don't trust them, that's why they employ the major media outlets to effectively deliver their propaganda to the masses. More people trust the talking heads on TV and radio than any politician. When they get together and push a story it's hard to counter it no matter what facts you have on your side. But even the talking heads wouldn't convince enough people to believe that we just happened to have such a lack security at the WTC, even though we knew it was a terrorist target and had already been bombed in '93, that allowed terrorists to slip in and plant the massive amounts of explosives that would have been necessary to bring down the towers in the way they were observed to fall on 9/11. Nope, very few would buy that story no matter who peddled it. It's much easier to convince the masses that the planes impact with the WTC towers and the resulting fires led to the collapse of both structures. The reason they can get away with this lie is because very few Americans have a scientific education and even fewer have an understanding of basic physics. The USA has been successfully dumbed down. BTW if you are not "hittable", then why the screen name "mehitable"? Not that I would want to hit on a total stranger that I have never seen, just curious.
God is always good! Good analysis. "Subconsciously, people know that buildings don't just fall down. That's why 9/11 was such a shock. It stretched our minds to deny previously conceived notions about the world and physics in general. For some of us, it didn't work."
Wasn't it a cia or batf control center. To destroy the evidence probably. Maybe the operation was run from buliding 7.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Mehitable is an old Bible and Puritan name I like. I beg to differ - I think the "natural" inclination of most people - their desire, if you will - is to trust their govt. It is BECAUSE the govt cover-ups are SO ludicrous and extreme and don't fit the physical facts, that intelligent people come to the bitter conclusion that they cannot trust their govt. However...look how many young people willingly have gone to Iraq. Look at their parents and families that support their presence there. These are people who STILL trust the govt. They want to trust it. The proof of that is that they are willing to put their lives on the line based on what that govt tells them. They need to believe these lies. I just don't understand why the govt doesn't construct better lies. OF COURSE people would believe that Muslims would plant explosives in the WTC. Most people in this country believe that Muslims would eat live babies. If the govt, had come out with that story after 9/11, it would have stopped most enquiries and the stupid public would have been perfectly happy to believe it, and it would have fit the physical facts. That said, I am neither young (nearly 50) nor naive. I think I may have a better grasp of how much people want to believe in their govt and the dream of democracy than you do. I don't think most people are as jaded or cynical as you think. Maybe about certain things with the govt, but I don't think most people can accept the idea that we no longer have a democracy, and haven't had a true one for decades, and that our govt has been run by the same relatively small group of people for many presidencies, and that group is now secure enough to come out in the open with the first Bush presidency, and to complete its plan for destroying the United States and completing its goal (along with the rulers in other areas) of creating a one world govt under corporatism. If you said that to the average American - they would think you are insane.
Wasn't it a cia or batf control center. To destroy the evidence probably. Maybe the operation was run from buliding 7. Excellent point.
Thanks, Kamala - impressive list :)
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I think enough time has elapsed from the grief of 9/11 to start looking at this objectively.
mehitable
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
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Why would they blow up building 7 though? Either those buildings were badly designed, which is possible, I guess - but they did withstand earlier bombings, didn't they - or there's something fishy here. I think enough time has elapsed from the grief of 9/11 to start looking at this objectively.
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If the govt were not so eager to cover things up and lie to us, they could have simply presented the perfectly plausible idea that more Islamic terrorists had hidden explosives within the WTC and, timed with the plane hits, detonated them. This would have given them an entirely plausible reason for the explosions and the behavior of the buildings without having to cover anything up
#25. To: Horse (#20)
I always tell people of Jimmy Walter's offer of one million dolars to anyone who can prove the towers were not brought down by explosives.
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#27. To: mehitable (#26)
I would think an easier lie would be to say that Islamic terrorists snuck into the building
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I have plenty more if needed.
#30. To: mehitable (#12)
OOHHHH, I see what you mean - no, actually I didn't know anybody in the Towers myself - just a couple of folks in the surrounding neighborhoods, which is bad enough, I guess.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#31. To: mehitable (#22)
What the govt never seems to take into consideration is that our own bias and emotions (for most people) is automatically in favor of our govt.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
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#33. To: mehitable (#10)
Why would they blow up building 7 though?
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Why would they blow up building 7 though?
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