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Title: Whats the Fed Up To With the Money Supply?
Source: Safe Haven
URL Source: http://www.safehaven.com/showarticle.cfm?id=4331&pv=1
Published: Dec 23, 2005
Author: by Robert McHugh
Post Date: 2005-12-23 13:05:23 by Horse
Keywords: Supply?, Whats, Money
Views: 290
Comments: 108

Over the past two days, December 21st - when our first Hindenburg Omen (of whatever cluster is coming) - and Thursday December 22nd, the Federal Reserve has conducted one of the largest two-day Repo injections of money into the system since back in September 2001. On Wednesday they added $18.0 billion in reserves and on Thursday they added another $20.0 billion. Is this a coincidence, coming right as we get another Hindenburg Omen? Probably not. Is something high-risk going on behind the scenes here? Let's review some facts at the Fed. On November 10th, 2005, shortly after appointing Bernanke to replace Greenbackspan, the Fed mysteriously announced with little comment and no palatable justification that they will hide M-3 effective March 2006. M-3 has been the main staple of money supply measurement and transparent disclosure since the Fed was founded back in 1913. It is the key monetary aggregate that includes Fed Repo transactions, that mechanism whereby the Fed increases reserves. The date when M-3 will start being hidden also happens to be the exact month that Iran will declare economic war against the U.S. Dollar by trading its oil in Petro-Euros on its new bourse. But there is more. The Federal Reserve currently has three vacancies within the 19 top Regional Bank and Board of Governor spots. Why? Part of ongoing wholesale resignations.

The latest is from the Philly Fed. Fed President and Open Market Committee member Anthony Santomero has announced his resignation after only a brief year and a half tenure. Very unusual. Hey, Fed Presidents are treated like gods. They have enormous power, prestige, and presence. Why quit? He is far from alone. Over the past few years no less than six Federal Reserve Regional Bank Presidents have resigned. This is highly unusual.

An immediate impact is that we are about to have a largely inexperienced batch of individuals conducting monetary policy in the United States. So of course, the first thing they will do is hide the key money figures. Two positions for the Board of Governors (there are 7)have been open for quite a while. Plus six of the 12 Regional Head spots have turned over during the past few years.

If a substantial amount of oil transactions will suddenly be conducted in Euros instead of Dollars, this should put pressure on the Dollar as folks exchange Dollars for Euros, jeopardizing the Dollar's status as the world's reserve currency, making it more difficult to print all the dollars the Fed wants to without driving the Dollar into the ground. Iraq threatened to do what Iran has threatened to do just before we went in looking for weapons of mass disappearance. If the Dollar tanks, Treasuries might not be far behind. If Treasuries tank, kiss the Housing-driven boom goodbye. Could the Master Planners be hiding M-3 because they anticipate they may have to monetize the Federal debt, buy our own Treasury Bonds during the coming economic attack against the Dollar? That would require a ton of new fresh money creation - too much to disclose. Could it be some folks at the top of the Fed do not have the stomach to be part of what is about to go down?

M-3 has a direct but lagging impact on financial markets. Look at the chart at the top of the prior page. Whenever M-3 rises, the Dow Industrials rise. Whenever M-3 is flat or declines, the Dow Industrials decline. The Dow Industrials are a bellwether for the economy. If we can monitor M-3, we can better monitor the future path of equities and the economy. It is wrong for the Fed to stop its disclosure for this very reason. Investors need to know in a free market economy, because M-3 infusion is centrally planned intervention into a free market system. Investors need to know when the Master Planners have decided to intervene. Our buy/sell signals were designed to pick up the scent of Master Planner intervention by analyzing supply and demand forces underlying the markets. So with or without a fully disclosed M-3, we will be able to continue to identify coming multi-week trends.

So what about M-3 the past week? The latest figures show that on a seasonally adjusted basis, M-3 rose 27.3 billion last week, a 14.0 percent annualized clip, and is up $76 billion over the past month, a 9.8 percent growth rate. But those are the massaged numbers. For the raw figures, fasten your seat belt. Are you ready? M-3 was increased $58.7 billion last week (that does not include the huge Repo infusions noted above), a 30.0 percent annualized rate of growth. For the past two week, the Fed added $93.5 billion to the money supply, a 24.0 percent annual clip. Over the past 6 weeks it is up $192.9 billion, a 16.7 percent Banana Republic hyperinflationary pace. This is nuts, folks - unless there is an incredible risk out there we are not being told about. That is a lot of money for the Plunge Protection Team's arsenal to buy markets - stocks, bonds, currencies, whatever. This level of irresponsible money supply growth makes shorting markets hazardous, yet at the same time says markets are at huge risk of declining. Maybe M-3 growth doesn't stop the decline this time. Should be a fascinating storm in 2006.

The recent rise in Gold catalogued 74 points over about a month, a 16 percent rally from precisely the day the Fed announced it would hide M-3 from taxpayers and citizens of this great nation. That is no coincidence. Gold sees hyperinflation, monetization of debt, and intervention into free markets. Gold is telling us it expects Ben Bernanke to be an inflationist.


Poster Comment:

My apologies, but as usual with this computer I could not copy the chart. This article does tell us that the M3 money supply is growing at a fast clip. And as of April Fools Day 2006 the FED will no longer tell us how much money they are printing. I still believe that REPORTED INFLATION will be low during 2006,at least, until after the elections in November. But the real purpose is for Wall Street to unload their junk bonds, steal what has not yet been stolen and invest overseas so they can repatriate their funds after the dollar collapses buying America for pennies on the dollar.

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#61. To: rack42 (#54)

I do not "believe" in the "Holy" Bible.

All of them are, IMHO, garbage.

None pass my "smell test."

Your opinion is wrong. God is very real. The Holy Bible is his word. You will know this in the not too distant future. Either before you die, or after, but you will know it soon.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2005-12-24   23:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: tom007 (#58)

all I did was post that thread called "Luke Chapter 2". and immediately I was attacked, not on that thread, but on this thread for comments I made a long time ago. Someone decided that their tolerance limit was reached when I posted that Luke Chapter 2 stuff. and then all I did was sincerely answer every question & comment I could. and then I was attacked again. I don't mind though. I'm happy about it.

I need to read the bible better and study better so that I can answer such questions better.

merry christmas.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-24   23:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: RickyJ (#61)

Either before you die, or after, but you will know it soon

that is true RickyJ. here's a bible verse.

Romans 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

history will unfold to make this verse true. It will be spectacular.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-24   23:34:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: rack42, Tom007 (#54)

do you ever want to express joy and happiness over the god that made you? Non sequitur.

I know that you can't handle this logical-linear thinking. Your thinking is magical.

Please note that I do not "believe" in the "Big Bang." I do not "belive" in "EVOLUTION."

By the same token, I do not "believe" in the "Holy" Bible.

All of them are, IMHO, garbage.

now rack42, since Tom explained to me what that latin word means I can better converse with you on this.

I think you're saying it is not logical to praise the one who made us. I may have a magical or mystical side to my thought process, but I have a logical side also. and it is illogical (non sequitor) to think that just because a person can think in a mystical manner that he can't think in a logical manner. but it is very logical to worship the one that made you, especially if he is god and he wants you to worship him and is teaching you to worship him.

here's a possible explanation for your failure to be logical on these matters - it comes in a bible verse.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

you see if you reject god, then your mind will be turned over to illogical thinking, perverted thinking and wrong thinking. that may explain (in a logical sequitor fashion) why you feel it is illogical to worship the one that made you, especially when the one who made you wants you to do this. because I don't follow your logic, it doesn't make sense to me.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-24   23:57:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Red Jones (#44)

god has brought down many people and done many things to them that were unpleasant.

Not to be a contrarian, but this couldn't possible be God. Rather is is a literal account of Eastern desert scribes depiction of a God. Every tribe had one or many and in every case they were nationalistic deities and favored only their own, they were great and powerful, fair and just etc. etc. Yahweh is no more realistic than Osiris, Horus or Isis. But you wouldn't think about worshipping them.

But he has no problem understanding us completely and far better than we understand ourselves.

He only understood what his authors wanted him to understand; the worst characteristics of humanity - envy, avarice, narcissism, irritibility, cruelty. His sensibilities mirror those of the men of the era. He loved gold and precious gems, in fact his kingdom and tabernacle are littered with them. But on the molecular level they are simply condensed energy. Like wood and granite.

He understands everything, correct? Except the scientific principles of the world he created. On behalf of Isaiah and Hezekiah he stopped the Earth, which spins at a thousand miles per hour, reversed it's rotation without upsetting anything else, mind you, and set the sundial back 15 degrees (1 hour, I believe). Of course you have no trouble believing that. It's a miracle and God could (and in fact did) it, right? Yet if I told you, and sincerely believed myself there was once a lesser deity named Promethuis who has his heart and liver eaten daily by an eagle only to have it constantly grow back... well that's the variety of miracle you probably laugh off. So it's all subjective, but as I haven't witnessed any such burning bushes, talking donkeys or cheubim myself, I choose to remain skeptical.

But after death there is a judgement.

This is a subjective claim. I have no doubts that everything that exists in nature is needed. Is there a cosmic need for post-mortem reprisals against the exceedingly naughty. I doubt it. Another possible misconception born of the mind of man. Generally when I argue religion I get the believer to reveal something when he says "Well what if there is a hell". He reveals uncertainty, since no one really knows (even near-death experiences might brain functions). So he acknowledges that it's good to hedge your bets and believe. Well philospohically and spiritually I need more than that and empty promises of bliss in the next life. The slaves and the downtrodden needed a belief in something better the next time around. Now the creed only appeals to vanity. You want your self, your personal property (experiences, personality) to last forever. We know some of this is kept in certain centers of the brain which stays here and rots after death. So when the sea gives up her dead and every once living person is resurrected (Lot's sister mentioned this), do the molecules that comprised them also return? Even after they've long since been recycled into new things and people? Heck, if you believe in miracles, why not? Everything could be a potential miracle if God says so? Pigs could fly if God wanted them to.

As for me, it's too unlikely a story.

there are many spirits and there are fallen angels as well. there are others besides the one true god with power.

Do you see these guys often? Their existence made perfect sense to ignorant people thousands of years ago. Before diseases had causes or names, strokes of bad fortune, severe weather phenomena. It was demons and spirits and spiteful heffalumps. They are no more real than ghosts.

as far as slavery goes, slavery was once a common institution. and when it was common in old testament days and in the days of jesus god did not think so badly of it.

Interesting. So the age old question of morality. Morality clearly says you can't enslave another. It doesn't matter what was common then. To Yahweh it was immoral to disrespect him. But that isn't nearly as immoral as murder, as we know morality. So where does law come from? From a flawed idea of God. Or did he invent sin which is inordinately more evil than commiting it. Don't go on the original sin tangent because carniverous dinosaurs and pre-human creatures, which are fact, disprove that concept.

So God could have set things straight and said, don't enslave your fellow man or don't wage wars of vengance or don't kill in my name as additional commandments. But he didn't. Jesus, in seeing the future could have said, don't torture others on my account but he didn't.

In his name an inordinate amount of bodies have been tortured and mental growth stunted. He even said he came not to bring peace, but the sword. To seperate fathers from daughters, etc. Or something to that effect.

Sadly, he was correct about that.

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Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-12-25   0:28:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Dude Lebowski, Mekons4 (#65)

Existence is a hell we must each crawl out of, always has been always will be. To remake the human condition is to impose tyranny, for people choose to be corrupt, and no amount of coercion shall cleanse them - Dak 1 : 03 am

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   0:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Dude Lebowski (#65)

"Well what if there is a hell". He reveals uncertainty, since no one really knows

as I alluded to earlier - this is controversial in the christian world - whether there is a hell or not. Because something like the popular conception of hell is described in the bible. but briefly and the concept is not well developed in the bible. god's creation is a mystery, and we are purposely kept ignorant of some aspects of it. we are prompted to have faith. the words of the bible that describe things like hell, the after-life, etc., and many other things can be interpreted differently by different people. we are to have faith in what god tells us, not to know everything.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   1:03:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Dude Lebowski (#65)

So when the sea gives up her dead and every once living person is resurrected (Lot's sister mentioned this), do the molecules that comprised them also return? Even after they've long since been recycled into new things and people? Heck, if you believe in miracles, why not? Everything could be a potential miracle if God says so?

I don't know the precise answer to that, whether the person's body is restored and made youthful even, etc. But I think likely so. and as you said, if god can create us, then why can't he re-create us?

so many think judgement is to occur right after death. I believe there are references in the bible that when you die it is possible to be immediately restored and brought to a kingdom of god that is not on this earth, a place like the popular conception of heaven. and as I said there are also references that a person can be immediately punished too. But there are many references that these people who have died are sleeping. There are far far more references that say judgement will occur at an appointed time at the end of this era of history rather than immediately on death. what will happen is as you say the people who lived throughout time will be restored regardless of when they lived. and then they'll all be judged.

we don't know when that will be. But we tend to believe that we are in the season of the end of this era now. but we don't know how long that season will last. The bible does say that to god a thousand years is as a day. God has great patience. Time means little to him. This season can last a long time. The bible says that when this end of this era comes it will come suddenly and by surprise and that no one will expect it when it comes.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   1:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Red Jones (#55)

the bible says that people of other faiths who are pious and loyal to their consciences can be judged positively when judgement comes. it does not ridicule other faiths. I'd rather throw my lot in with a pious humble muslim who feared god than an arrogant christian zionist who wants to kill iraqis for jesus. the bible says that god is a spirit, not a denomination or religious sect. the organized religions are ridiculed in the bible.

That's beautiful Red, and I wish that everyone who claims to believe in some sort of higher being could grasp that simple concept. It seems to me much of the friction between religios and secular types is caused by a small minority of each fostering ill will. I myself am an athiest, and I've seen athiesm attacked many times here as some sort of monstrous hate-cult, but I assure you I'd never do anything like that. I think everyone (ok, not everyone...) gets too emotional about stuff and blows it, but most people are conditioned to be barking dogs, left and right, protestant and catholic, hindoo and hyena worshipper...

The Mainstream Media keeps attacking my beliefs too, saying it's trite to be a fiscal conservative but a social liberal (all the while, I might point out, I'm a boatload more fiscally conservative than they even have cold sweat nightmares about)

another belief they insist on stomping on is "not religious, but spiritual", which, granted is a cop-out used by millions of chanting mush-heads, who are prolly getting paid in PTL dollars.

Basically what I believe is that there is no congealed god that has a concienscienous of its own, it is an energy that is made of the spirit energy of every living thing.

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Dude Lebowski (#65)

Morality clearly says you can't enslave another.

that is a very interesting point. I think that popular morality we have today says exactly as you say. But I am under the impression that the bible does not have an absolute condemnation of slavery in it. If I am wrong, I'd like to know.

many bible characters that god favored did own slaves.

Consider george washington. he owned slaves. Many say they hate him for it. What would you have done if you were in george washington's shoes in 1770 or so when he inherited his father-in-law's slaves. Would you free your slaves in order to meet modern morality's standards? If so, then those slaves would've been destitute, they'd have died young in poverty. In Virginia it was illegal to be black and free at that time. They would've had to leave the state. Where would they go, how would they get by? Far better to let them stay and treat them decently. The slave population on george washington's land did prosper. He had three times the # of slaves he needed to work his land. He refused to sell or trade any of them unless he got written permission from the slave to do so. He never got that permission and never sold or traded any. He sacrificed family money to keep them. he did the right thing. On his death he willed that his family offer free education through college level to all his slaves, and that they be allowed to leave at any time they wanted. The last slave left Washington's land 34 years after he died. The guy was born 7 years after Washington died and had a college education. George Washington did the right thing, but he owned slaves.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   1:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Red Jones (#70)

George Washington wan't a bible character, Red. :)

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Dude Lebowski (#65)

So where does law come from?

all depends on what you mean by 'the law'. There is a powerful old testament concept called 'the law'. This is where god gave 'the law' to Moses and he told it to the jews. It says in the bible we should pattern our laws on earth after those laws he gave. I wish we did. We do not though. We have tried to do so at times in our history. This results in just laws. But here on earth man makes laws through the governments he has. But the bible says that god chooses the rulers for all nations. The biblical view is that it is foolish to think that man really rules. If god wants a nation to prosper he will appoint wise rulers. If he wants to perform some other purpose with that nation, then he appoints rulers to that nation who perform those other purposes. Those other purposes could be punishment for that nation or destruction or to be used to destroy yet another nation, or some other purpose. The bible says that god appoints these leaders and then the people follow like sheep. it is a supernatural process. I do not believe that christians should put faith in democracy or democratic republic systems of governments as being of god. these are of man.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   1:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Red Jones (#72)

Victim to burglar: `I want my Bible'

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:34:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Red Jones (#72)

all depends on what you mean by 'the law'. There is a powerful old testament concept called 'the law'.

Jewish law. It's called the Talmud these days.

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:35:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Dude Lebowski (#65)

Don't go on the original sin tangent because carniverous dinosaurs and pre-human creatures, which are fact, disprove that concept.

Original sin is a concept from the bible. It means that man is fundamentally fallen in nature. Man fundamentally falls short of god's standards. all men (and women) do. I don't see what that has to do with dinosaurs or apes. the bible says that god made all of the creatures and all of the plants too. I have heard it taught from the bible that there were previous eras prior to the era of man. But man is special per the bible. man is made in 'god's image' to use terminology from the bible. I do not wish to disprove that dinosaurs existed because I think that they did exist. and I'll tell you something else - very few believe that the bible says the world is 6,000 years old. That comes (I think) from a recounting of the generations descended from a particular point in time. That point in time is to be the time when the first man was here on earth. Scientific evidence does show that man existed prior to that time (6,000 years ago). I explain this discrepancy by saying that we don't know how to interpret what god was saying. There is a spot in the bible that says it is to be interpreted 'in the spirit'. As I was alluding to earlier, the prompting of us to have faith in the things of god is more important than literal details. he always gives us the choice to believe or not to believe.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   1:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Red Jones, Dude Lebowski, AKA Stone, Zipporah (#75)

Man fundamentally falls short of god's standards. all men (and women) do. I don't see what that has to do with dinosaurs or apes. the bible says that god made all of the creatures and all of the plants too.

Can't speak for anyone buy my self, but I think A K A Stone is a brain-dead moron for insisting that the Earth is only 400 years old. That's what all dinosaur stuff is about, in my opinion anyway...

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Dude Lebowski (#65)

He even said he came not to bring peace, but the sword. To seperate fathers from daughters, etc.

the only response I can give you on that is - it is true there's a spot where he says he did not come to bring peace, but the sword. and then there's other spots where he says his ways are non-violent. and it is true that he said he would bring separation of families as you said. look at the very last verse of the old testament - it says to parents they must turn their hearts to their children and children must turn their hearts to parents, or else he will come and smite us. I think his word is so controversial that it will bring violence and division. and I think that his judgement and chastisement of us can involve violence. But that violence interestingly is not perpetrated by god, but by people set up to do that violence by god instead of god.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   1:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: A K A Stone (#77)

4000 I meant, sorry for the confusion.

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Dude Lebowski, Red Jones (#65)

He even said he came not to bring peace, but the sword. To seperate fathers from daughters, etc.

right on, redemption...

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Dakmar (#74)

Jewish law. It's called the Talmud these days.

no no no no.

'The law' is given in the first 3-4 books of old testament. this is known in the jewish world as the torah. the first 5 books of the bible are the torah. That is something christians and jews share completely. The talmud came after jesus and was a reaction to jesus. the jews may say that their law is the talmud law. But this is not what the orthodox jews believe. I am under the impression that when orthodox jews talk about 'the law' they are talking of the old testament law handed down by god to moses which does include the ten commandments and much else as well. ignore the talmud is all I can say about that. certainly when christians (and jesus) talk about the law as a religious concept they're talking about the early books of the bible.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   1:45:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Dude Lebowski (#65)

In his name an inordinate amount of bodies have been tortured and mental growth stunted

I guess some 'christians' in spain & italy about 500-600 years ago were doing some torture. but I would saythese were false believers. we should be repulsed by the torture and degredation of human beings.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   1:48:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Red Jones (#80)

the jews may say that their law is the talmud law.

It's more likely these days I'll get arrested for making such a claim...Have you seen David Irving lately?

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:48:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Dakmar (#82)

Have you seen David Irving lately?

who is David Irving?

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   1:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Red Jones (#81)

You don't think rapture monkeys are stunted? It's prolly those ciggys we made them smoke while roller skating.

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Red Jones (#83)

David Irving

bttt

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:50:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Red Jones (#83)


To love God in the most practical way is to love our fellow beings. If we feel for others in the same way as we feel for our own dear ones, we love God.

If, instead of seeing faults in others, we look within ourselves, we are loving God.

If, instead of robbing others to help ourselves, we rob ourselves to help others, we are loving God.

If we suffer in the sufferings of others and feel happy in the happiness of others, we are loving God.

If, instead of worrying over our own misfortunes, we think ourselves more fortunate than many many others, we are loving God.

If we endure our lot with patience and contentment, accepting it as His Will, we are loving God.

If we understand and feel that the greatest act of devotion and worship to God is not to hurt or harm any of His beings, we are loving God.

To love God as He ought to be loved, we must live for God and die for God, knowing that the goal of life is to Love God, and find Him as our own self.

- Meher Baba

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:52:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Dakmar (#71)

George Washington wan't a bible character, Red. :)

yes that's true. but I used him as an example.

I think there are characters like george washington that god uses for a purpose. And I think he was one and I think our nation likewise is used for a purpose by god. even today. the dominion christians say that the US government is going to violently impose the kingdom of god on earth. This is (IMHO) the 'fallen away' church of the end times for them to think that. It is not of the bible at all. God will allow the world's greatest nation that is oppressing the world to be destroyed completely and utterly. then god will return and build the kingdom of god in his way. that's what the bible says.

so I take an unusual and unpopular view that the United States is mixed up with what is referred to as 'babylon' in end times prophecy. and that our nation will be destroyed as a result. Read bible prophecy about babylon's destruction.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   1:55:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Red Jones (#80)

I am under the impression that when orthodox jews talk about 'the law' they are talking of the old testament law handed down by god to moses which does include the ten commandments and much else as well.

Old Covenant matters, completely out of my hands...

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Red Jones (#87)

I think there are characters like george washington that god uses for a purpose.

A slave owner? In the Age of Reason? You go to hell, Red Jones, God liked Jefferson better!

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   1:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Dakmar (#84)

You don't think rapture monkeys are stunted?

I don't go along with the rapture ideology. Neither do a lot of others. It is controversial. There is language in the bible that describes something exactly like what the rapture proponents describe, a sudden taking of the believers from the earth. But that language is prefaced by the phrase 'as if'. And I think god is just describing the time when the separation of the people will occur. This occurs after great trials, tribulation and trouble; and that is very plainly and explicitly and at great length described in the bible. But rapture ideology people deny this, the suspicion is that they are afraid to look at the trouble coming and fantasize they won't face it. I go along with the conventional christian view (not the rapture view). the rapture view is relatively new, only less than 150 years old. But the bible says very clearly we will not be able to understand the prophecies of the end times until the end times get here. the bible says there will be many false teachers and teachings in those end times. and much deception. Matthew chapter 24 is a good quick summary of the end times from the point of view of a common believer as is told by jesus. But this is only the quick short version spoken by jesus. these prophecies are spoken of at great length in multiple other books, new testament & old testament, especially Daniel and Revelation.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   2:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Red Jones (#90)

Many false teachers, I agree. Follow the freaking money. Messiah pointed to the door, but no one had the guts to leave the temple...

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   2:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Dakmar (#89)

Jefferson was a lover of women. Women love Jefferson. fiery red hair. passionate lover. when his wife died when he was about 39 or so he went into deep depression, only came out of it a year later because his daughter diligently forced him out of it. then jefferson went on to have other close female relations, including a married woman in france. he wrote poetry of love, etc. women love him.

Washington was father of our country, but never fathered a child himself. His wife had about 3 kids from a previous marriage. Women liked washington a lot. But there is no record of him having a lover.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   2:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Dakmar (#91)

Follow the freaking money

Exactly correct. here is bible verse.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. it does not say that sexual lust or unfaithfulness is the root of all evil. It does not say failure to follow either god's law or man's law is hte root of all evil. It says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-25   2:12:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Red Jones (#93)

For the love of money is the root of all evil

I know, I was really poor most of my life.

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   2:14:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Red Jones (#92)

Jefferson was a lover of women. Women love Jefferson. fiery red hair. passionate lover.

There's a guy that would have ordered the 413 Max Wedge straight from the factory!

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   2:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Dakmar (#76)

A K A Stone is a brain-dead moron for insisting that the Earth is only 400 years old. That's what all dinosaur stuff is about, in my opinion anyway...

400 yo? I've got Roman coins centuries older than that. 4000 yo is what some believe the earth to be. I have problems with that. Real problems, as I live, and hike in Colorado, Utah, NM, and Old Mexico.

tom007  posted on  2005-12-25   2:33:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: tom007 (#96)

6000 yr old. I should either go to bed or get in my car and do a smash-and-grab at liquorland. What do you recommend?

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   2:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Dakmar (#97)

6000 yr old. I should either go to bed or get in my car and do a smash-and-grab at liquorland. What do you recommend?

My attorney seems to think the "smash-and grab" is a great idea, therefore, I strongly recommed against it.

tom007  posted on  2005-12-25   2:40:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: tom007 (#98)

You got stuck with stuck-up lawyer too?

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   2:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Dakmar (#99)

Pretty common occurance, it seems. At least the Doctors usually do not make you sick, on purpose,for their own good.

And this is exactly what the legal"profession" does routinely.Remember they control the so called "Law Enforcement".

tom007  posted on  2005-12-25   2:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: tom007 (#100)

Morrow: You hop aboard my magic carpet and I'll show you sights that you've never seen before.

Longfellow Deeds: Well, I'd kinda like to see Grant's tomb and the Statue of Liberty.

Morrow: Well, you'll not only see those, but before the evening's half through, you'll be leaning against the Leaning Tower of Pisa, you'll mount Mount Everest, I'll show you the Pyramids and all the little pyramidees, leaping from sphinx to sphinx!

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-25   2:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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