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Title: Mike Brown's Funeral Live
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Published: Aug 25, 2014
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Post Date: 2014-08-25 10:58:21 by Lod
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#35. To: scrapper2 (#34)
"legislation and law"? What needs to change, laws that prohibit criminal behavior?? If negro's would stop breaking the law and act like civilized White people they wouldn't go to jail, get shot, etc. ...implored black Americans to change their protest chants into legislation and law.
-Alex Kurtagic
#36. To: X-15, Jethro Tull, Lod, christine, James Deffenbach, abraxas, farmfriend, Cynicom, Former Lurker, Fred Mertz, All (#35)
Like I said previously - and now the DemRats' endgame is confirmed - i.e. the reason Ferguson has the att'n of the ( aka their) DOJ and the ( aka their) President. Several important seats hang in the balance in southern states. DemRats need their African American "brothers" to come out and vote. Those of you who believe the DemRats and GOP have the same domestic agenda, just sit on your hands and don't vote. Holder, Jarrett, and Barry will thank you. But afterwards please don't whine about how whites are being fudged over by affirmative action legislation, HUD affordable housing diversity legislation, criminals being sentenced to reflect the race % of the general populastion and not to reflect the actual crime done, etc etc etc Take it straight up because you will have brought it on yourself. "Show up at the voting booths. ..." said Eric Davis, one of Brown's cousins.
#37. To: scrapper2 (#36)
OK scrap, message received. But this thread illustrates how far we've sunk. The media continues to lionize a criminal, while the same apparatchiks were playing laugh tracks over the likes of Ron Paul. It's no wonder out of all the possibilities available to us on the side of liberty, we have politicians who beg for approval at the Wailing Wall. The two problems are closely connected. Remember what they did to Rand Paul when he questioned the need for the Civil Rights Act? Take it straight up because you will have brought it on yourself.
#38. To: scrapper2, Jethro Tull, Lod, christine, James Deffenbach, abraxas, farmfriend, Cynicom, Former Lurker, Fred Mertz, All (#36)
The pet negro's have been catered to by FedGov my whole life, that won't change just because YT objects. Obongo has and is releasing convicted murderers who are here illegally and the GOP hasn't and won't do anything about it other than make a feigned noise of indignation and outrage to their constituents in order to get re-elected. I've given up on voting because FedGov is a leviathan with it's own will at this point and The People's will be damned. Your mileage may vary, I no longer give a damn and practice my own mild version of anarchy.
-Alex Kurtagic
#39. To: Deasy (#37)
Yes at the higher abstract level they are connected obviously. But at the present time - think small and realistic - what individuals can do to forestall the agitprop danger. i.e. Vote to save your rights to fairness in your own country. We are all Officer Wilson now.
#40. To: X-15 (#38)
If that is voting your conscience, then so be it.
#41. To: X-15 (#38)
You make your own bed. Don't cry to me, Argentina.
#42. To: scrapper2 (#39)
From what I've read about his character and dedication to his community, I don't know that I could ever step into those shoes. I hope most Americans will remember him well despite the ongoing charades like this funeral. We are all Officer Wilson now.
#43. To: scrapper2 (#41)
I've called one of my senators (Ted Cruz), he can't do anything as long as the Demonrats control the Senate under that bastard Harry Reid. My other senator is John Cornyn, he's worthless. My representative is a senile old geezer from WWII who's mind is gone, he's no good and his staff can't answer the simplest question on any issue. It's the same around the country. Looks like we're all on our own from here on out.
-Alex Kurtagic
#44. To: X-15 (#43)
Bingo! Voters in southern states can change that. I've called one of my senators (Ted Cruz), he can't do anything as long as the Demonrats control the Senate under that bastard Harry Reid
#45. To: X-15 (#43)
Looking at history, we find that treason is very common. The weak ones slither into power and then sell out anything that isn't nailed down. They kowtow to the latest figures above themselves in power, foreign or domestic. In a so-called democracy, they kowtow to the noisiest people as is measured by voter segments and what the press portrays. We were promised relief from this because of our "free" press and intergovernmental "checks and balances." Our upright "Christian" moral character was supposed to make us stronger. I'm not sure that any of this was ever true. Since it's not true now, and hasn't been since the war with Spain, there's not much sense in crying over spilled milk. It has to be reformed or we'll collapse, and are collapsing as a people.
#46. To: scrapper2 (#44)
Remember: R's controlled the House and the Senate for, what, two years under Bush? What changed? What alphabet agency got spanked? What entitlement program was abolished? The R's had their chance to reform FedGov and they lived down to my lowest expectations. Your continued fervency that change is possible is admirable. I only see change happening if a nuclear bomb is detonated right over the White House that also flattens the Crapitol Building and takes out the Supreme Court while it is in session.
-Alex Kurtagic
#47. To: scrapper2 (#34)
Or make a holiday for him like they did Michael King aka Martin Luther King (his daddy started that scam). "Show up at the voting booths. Let your voices be heard, and let everyone know that we have had enough of all of this," said Eric Davis, one of Brown's cousins.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#48. To: X-15 (#46)
LOL! Your SciFy fantasy is funny. I only see change happening if
#49. To: scrapper2 (#48)
I used to tell other people who said something similar "No, save the art and other objects of antiquity!". Now, I don't give a damn. :)
-Alex Kurtagic
#50. To: X-15 (#46) (Edited)
No the GOP under Bush didn't do wowser stuff to vanquish useless agencies. But, but... At least under the GOP we didn't have the IRS, the EPA, HUD, the DOJ acting like Godzillas against American citizens. At least under the GOP we didn't have Obamacare forced down our throats on a vote taken in the middle of the night. At least under the GOP we didn't have a President using Executive Orders over and over again to circumvent Congress' sphere of authority. Now we have all of that shiite happening. And more of that shiite and worse coming round the corner.
#51. To: Deasy, scrapper2 (#42)
I still say that Officer Wilson should flee the country for a distant locale that won't extradite him back here and shoot his middle finger right into Obongo's and Lil' Eric Holders eyes. George Zimmerman got off but Officer Wilson is going to fry, FedGov won't be denied it's sacrificial victim this time.
-Alex Kurtagic
#52. To: X-15, Deasy, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, abraxas, farmfriend, Turtle, Cynicom, All (#51)
You may be right, X-15. It makes me sad there were so few supporters at a rally to show support for Officer Wilson's right to have a fair hearing - local folks might be afraid to be identified under the circumstances - this is not the America I used to know: but Officer Wilson is going to fry
#53. To: All (#52)
More scare tactics. I wonder why the DOJ is not arresting these folks who are making verbal threats against the public peace? Paging Comrade Holder! www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...teens-shooting-death.html snip "We're here to pay our respects for Mike Brown as his family put him in the ground today," said Greg Davis, a labourer, as the service ended. "But make no mistake, if they don't arrest and charge the cop who killed him, they're going to tear this city up. It will start in Ferguson and spread across the city. In St Louis, we're still angry, real angry."
#54. To: scrapper2 (#52)
Supporters have already given him $400,000. He won't even be charged, not with those pictures of his shattered eye socket by after being punched by some dopehead negro who had just strong-armed some minority mechant. but Officer Wilson is going to fry
"Have Brain, Will Travel
#55. To: X-15, 4 (#38)
That's about all that most of US can do. ...I no longer give a damn and practice my own mild version of anarchy.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#56. To: scrapper2, Deasy, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, abraxas, farmfriend, Turtle, Cynicom, All (#52)
news.yahoo.com/national-g...r-ferguson-072108370.html FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — Conditions calmed this week in Ferguson after nights of sometimes violent unrest stemming from the fatal shooting of a black 18-year- old by a white police officer. But a delicate and crucial question lingers: What happens if the grand jury now considering the case doesn't return a charge against the officer? The fear among some local residents and officials trying to maintain peace in Ferguson is that failure to charge the officer could stoke new anger among a community profoundly mistrustful of the legal system. Many say they just hope the grand jury's decision, whatever it is, has irrefutable facts to back it up. U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill told The Associated Press she's pushing for federal and local investigations to be completed around the same time so that all evidence in the case can be made public — a step many consider important should prosecutors decide not to charge the officer. Her office said Friday that the Department of Justice hasn't given a timeline for the federal investigation, which centers on whether a civil rights violation occurred when officer Darren Wilson fatally shot the unarmed Michael Brown on Aug. 9. Many residents who live in the Ferguson, eager to end the disruptions to their lives caused by protests and police presence, say they fear the community's anger will explode anew if Wilson isn't charged. "This officer has to be indicted. I'd hate to see what happens if he isn't. The rioting, the looting, man ...," said resident Larry Loveless, 29, as he stopped at the memorial for Brown where he was killed. The most likely state charges that will be considered in such a case include second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter, he said. ///////////////////////////// Like I said, Officer Wilson would do better to permanently skip out of America because he's got a target right between his eyes and Eric Holder wants a human sacrifice.
-Alex Kurtagic
#57. To: X-15 (#56)
Government is sick and we that tolerate it are sicker.
#58. To: X-15, 4 (#56)
Loveless = Clueless
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#59. To: scrapper2, X-15 (#50)
But, but... At least under the GOP we didn't have the IRS, the EPA, HUD, the DOJ acting like Godzillas against American citizens. Let's take a look at Alphabet agencies under Bush........ How Bush Broke the Government Tara McKelvey (American Prospect) December 11, 2008 To gain a true sense of Bush's legacy, we survey the systematic and politically motivated ways he undermined the federal government. There is nothing new about presidents who are eager to overstep the bounds of their power, whether they are conservative or liberal in their political views. But the strategies that George W. Bush used to strengthen his presidency -- and weaken other branches of government -- have been more widespread than the ones employed in the past. Rather than isolated abuses of executive power, such as Bill Clinton's bombing of Kosovo without congressional approval, the actions of the Bush administration have been the most systematic abuses of executive authority since the branch's powers were curtailed in the wake of Watergate. "You know how there are all these checks and balances in the government?" says Rick Perlstein, author of Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America. "Under the Bush administration, all that was turned on its head. When you look at what they did, it's like reading the opposite of the Federalist Papers." Despite the fact that Alexander Hamilton clearly articulated that there should be checks on the president's power -- especially in a time of war -- the Bush administration selectively interpreted the Federalist Papers to claim that Congress has no right to restrict the president. Government lawyers such as John Yoo, who worked in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, went so far as to assert that Hamilton's view of "executive unity" allows for a supercharged executive branch with unlimited power. Some of Bush's power grabs made national news. Unaccountable military contractors in Iraq and ideological shenanigans at the Justice Department were front-page headlines. However, to gain a true sense of Bush's legacy we must look beyond these individual transgressions and examine how the administration employed politically motivated strategies throughout the federal government -- with devastating results. In other words, to understand what happened to government under the Bush administration, we must look at the methods that were used to break it down. These methods, which included everything from meddling with scientific research to get the desired results to appointing former lobbyists to watchdog positions, were not, of course, all directly supervised by Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, or other high-level officials. They were often carried out by an array of lower-level officials, many of whom were political appointees, all of whom were operating in the same climate of secrecy and working for a government that condoned and encouraged attempts to expand the reach of the executive branch and its political agenda. These are deeply entrenched problems that do not lend themselves to easy solutions. It is unlikely that they can be resolved in the first month -- or even the first year of Barack Obama's presidency. He will need to take a systematic approach to fixing government, just as Bush took a systematic approach to breaking it down. To what extent Obama is willing to do that and how quickly he will embark on the project are urgent questions. "Giving up power is one of the most difficult things to do," says Karen J. Greenberg, executive director at New York University Law School's Center on Law and Security. As she points out, George Washington may be celebrated for relinquishing kingly power, but scaling back is not so common these days. In order to roll back the damage Bush has done over the past eight years, we must have some idea of its scope. In the following pages, we survey some of the systematic ways the Bush administration undermined the federal government, in the hope that the new administration can begin to repair the damage. Juking the Stats The HBO series The Wire introduced viewers to the concept of police "reducing crime" by simply changing the statistics on record -- in essence, coding in felonies as misdemeanors. The cops on the show call it "juking the stats," and it's a practice that became all too familiar during the Bush years. Administration officials would repeatedly call for a review of the literature of a subject until they got their desired interpretations. They would ask scientists to show proof that a policy they opposed would cause damage to the environment -- or the reverse, that a policy they supported would not hurt the environment. When the facts flew in the face of the Bush agenda, the administration told its agencies to get new facts. Department of the Interior: Vice President Dick Cheney took a special interest in the Klamath River Basin in Oregon and California, where a law prevented farmers from irrigating the land during a drought because using water from nearby canals would imperil an endangered species of fish. "Cheney asked, ‘Isn't there some way around the law?'" says Barton Gellman, author of Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency. Cheney called for a scientific review, which cast doubt on the research showing that using canal water would harm the fish, and cleared the way for the area to be irrigated. As a result, 77,000 salmon washed up dead on the banks of the river -- the biggest man-made fish kill in the West. Department of Health and Human services: Until the summer of 2002, the National Institutes of Health maintained that women who had an abortion were at no greater risk of breast cancer than those who had not undergone the procedure. But, under Bush, the NIH released a fact sheet that said the evidence was "unclear." The fact sheet made no mention of "the largest, and probably the most reliable, study of this topic," which found no link between abortion and breast cancer, according to the American Cancer Society. In a similar incident, a Centers for Disease Control fact sheet was altered to downplay the effectiveness of condoms in reducing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Rep. Henry Waxman and other Democratic lawmakers called it "part of an Orwellian trend at HHS." They confirmed, "simply put, information that used to be based on science is being systematically removed from the public when it conflicts with the administration's political agenda." Department of Veterans Affairs: Secretary Jim Nicholson embarked on a campaign in 2005 to reduce the number of claims made by veterans for post-traumatic stress disorder, announcing a plan to review the cases in which veterans receive full disability benefits for the disorder. He said he wanted to root out "fraud." Shortly thereafter, a New Mexico veteran who was undergoing review committed suicide, partly over concern about the review, according to veterans' advocates. On Nov. 10, 2005, Nicholson discontinued the claim review. Suppressing Science The Bush administration didn't just meddle with research, it suppressed solid facts when they were less than favorable to its politics. Time and time again, when the science clearly called on government agencies to adopt stricter regulations or change policies, federal agencies diligently kept the information from becoming public -- and avoided having to change their behavior. If they couldn't rewrite the truth, then they kept it from getting out. Department of Commerce: The Commerce Department's complicated media-relations policy made it difficult for scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association to speak publicly about the links between human behavior and global warming. In 2007, reports by the Union of Concerned Scientists and the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee found that the Commerce Department and the White House Council on Environmental Quality went so far as to water down NOAA scientists' environmental testimony. Department of Agriculture: In Ames, Iowa, the Agricultural Research Service prevented one of its microbiologists from publishing research indicating that industrial hog farming may contribute to antibiotic resistance. The Bush administration stopped the scientist from publishing 11 times between September 2001 and April 2002. In a February 2002 memo, the Agricultural Research Service told its scientists to seek prior approval on all manuscripts related to "sensitive issues," including agricultural practices with negative health or environmental consequences such as water contamination. In September 2003, the White House stopped the Natural Resources Conservation Service from reprinting a popular brochure explaining carbon sequestration in soil and what farmers can do to reduce emissions of heat-trapping gases. Department of Health and Human Services: A 400-page report, Public Health Implications of Hazardous Substances, put together by researchers at the Centers for Disease Control, warned that 9 million people who live in Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, and Milwaukee may face elevated risks of health problems from exposure to dioxin, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), lead, and mercury. Since 2004, dozens of experts have reviewed various incarnations of the report -- but CDC officials have refused to release it. Instead, they have sought additional revision and review. And in 2007, just before CDC director Dr. Julie Gerberding testified in front of a Senate committee on the hazardous effects of climate change on public health, the White House Office of Management and Budget edited out nearly half of her testimony. The expurgated text articulated climate change's direct effects on Americans. Rewriting the Rules Many of the Bush administration's tactics that changed government policy were executed in ways that received little or no oversight. Whether by drawing up legal memos or making procedural changes, officials put forth a roster of regulations that dramatically altered the federal agencies -- without going to Congress. Department of Justice: At the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, government attorney John Yoo expanded the definition of torture in an infamous August 2002 memo, allowing American interrogators to inflict almost any sort of pain on detainees in order to obtain information. In addition, interrogation techniques that are widely regarded as torture, including sleep deprivation and the use of dogs, were approved in U.S.–run detention facilities in Iraq, creating an extra-legal situation that led to the abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison in late 2003 -- and to an international scandal when photographs from the prison were shown to the public in April 2004. Department of Education: In August, the Education Department's Office for Civil Rights wrote a letter to federally assisted universities outlining, in a few short bullet points, its new and more restrictive policy on race-neutral college admissions. Completely reversing the Clinton administration's support for race-based affirmative action, Bush's OCR compels institutions to seek diversity that is "broader than mere racial diversity," make a "serious good faith consideration of workable race-neutral alternatives," and ensure that "the use of race [has] a logical end point." If universities don't comply, they don't get federal funds. Traditionally, the OCR enforces Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination based on race, but under the Bush administration, the OCR has set up more barriers than avenues to educational institutions trying to attract diverse students and provide equal access. Hiring Friends and Firing Enemies As anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist once said, "Personnel is policy." The Bush administration certainly took that to heart, enforcing uniformity and keeping employees in line by taking pains to hire under-qualified political allies (like the conservative-college graduates at the Justice Department) and by firing workers, even party loyalists, who dared to disagree or otherwise cause trouble. Department of Labor: Jack Spadaro, an official with the Mine Safety and Health Administration, had a reputation as a whistleblower for alerting authorities to an environmental catastrophe at West Virginia's Martin County Coal, a subsidiary of Massey Energy, in October 2000. When Bush took office, he promptly put a political appointee in charge of the MSHA Office, and then officials went after Spadaro, firing him over accusations that he had violated federal rules, inappropriately used a government credit card, and engaged in insubordination. By late 2001, Spadaro resigned. "I've been in federal government for 27 years," he said at the time, "and this is the most lawless administration I have ever seen." Department of Veterans Affairs: When Anthony Principi requested an increase for the agency's fiscal year 2005 budget, President George W. Bush balked. He recommended that the VA receive a budget of $65.3 billion, $1.2 billion less than what Principi wanted. Principi, who had served as an acting secretary of the VA in the first Bush administration, knows how things work in Washington. Nevertheless, he spoke out during a House Veterans Affairs Committee hearing on Feb. 4, 2004. By December, Principi was out of a job. His departure marked a turning point for the VA. Many of the programs that he had championed, such as a mental-health task force and efforts to improve claims processing for veterans who have been injured in combat, lost the strong backing in the agency and were allowed to languish. Department of Justice: Senior aides at this agency were particularly scrupulous in hiring like-minded people, extending their vetting process even to Justice Department honors programs and interns. According to a report issued by the agency's Office of Inspector General and the Office of Professional Responsibility, as reported by The New York Times, White House aides ran a seminar titled "The Thorough Process of Investigation" in which they explained how to screen applicants by using Internet searches with the name of the applicant and key words such as "guns," "abortion," and "Florida recount" to determine how the applicants felt about these issues. Afterward, a decision could be made about whether or not to hire them. Department of Housing and Urban Development: In 2006, HUD Secretary Alphonso Jackson told conference attendees in Dallas that he squashed a contract with a minority businessman because the man disapproved of President Bush. "Why should I reward someone who doesn't like the president, so they can use funds to try to campaign against the president?" Jackson asked. "Logic says they don't get the contract." In contrast, Jackson's logic says: Reward friends! He gave a housing contract to William Hairston, a friend from Hilton Head, South Carolina, in early 2006; he also gave a housing contract to friend Michael Hollis, an Atlanta lawyer who made about $1 million from the deal. When William Thorson, executive administrator of the New Orleans Housing Authority, spoke up and pointed out that Jackson's contract with Hairston was not only crooked but also duplicative (a contract had already been signed for the work Hairston would do), Thorson was called up to Washington, D.C., after which he decided to take early retirement. Privatizing and Outsourcing The U.S. government has steadily come to rely on private contractors. Since the 1980s, the number of government employees has been reduced from 2.2 million to 1.8 million today. Most notably, under Bush, the military has become especially prone to privatization, with more than 200,000 contractors serving in Iraq, a force that is larger than the 140,000 U.S. troops deployed there. Government employees have a special responsibility to uphold principles of the United States. Private contractors do not, which means they are operating in a legal gray area. The problem does not seem to be going away anytime soon. As Scott Horton, a consultant with Human Rights First, says, military contractors belong to "a growth industry" and have reason to be optimistic about the future -- even under President Obama. Central Intelligence Agency: Robert Grenier, former director of the CIA's Counter Terrorism Center, says he first realized things in the intelligence world were different -- really different -- when he gave a speech to a group of CIA officers, and over half of them came up to him and handed him business cards. "I was startled," he says. The officers were private military contractors. And, as Grenier discovered during his most recent stint at the CIA, even sensitive work, such as intelligence-gathering and interrogating terrorism suspects, has been contracted out. Civilian contractors employed by CACI International were implicated in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal, but have, by and large, evaded prosecution. Department of Labor: In a broad way, the regulatory functions of the Labor Department have been outsourced wholesale. Under previous presidents, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration made rules to ensure worker safety. But during the Bush years, OSHA has more or less suspended its rule-making functions, relying instead on a system of voluntary industry "alliances." Cooperation, not confrontation, became the new watch word, according to Secretary Elaine Chao. Department of Homeland Security: Shortly after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, armed Blackwater contractors rushed into the city to maintain security. As The Nation's Jeremy Scahill reported, they were tasked with "securing neighborhoods" and "confronting criminals." The contractors were fully deputized by the Louisiana government to make arrests. Blackwater was later contracted by the federal government to provide armed security for Federal Emergency Management Agency reconstruction projects in Louisiana. Department of Agriculture: During the Bush years, outsourcing was rampant at the Forest Service. In 2006, the agency made plans to outsource nearly two-thirds of its work force, a move the Bush administration later claimed had saved taxpayers millions of dollars. But a 2007 joint report by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility and the National Federation of Federal Employees Forest Service Council found that the outsourcing actually cost more than nine times what it claimed to save. To boot, the Government Accountability Office warned in 2008 that outsourcing would hobble the agency's ability to manage wildfires. Church-ifying the State One of the most comprehensive and far-reaching efforts of the Bush administration focused on a mandate put forth by the religious right. After his election, Bush tried to muscle though an ambitious faith-based bill, one that would have eased restrictions on religious groups that receive federal grants. But legislators balked at some of its more extreme provisions -- especially those exempting religious groups from federal anti-discrimination laws -- and the bill stalled. As a result, Bush created his faith-based initiative by a series of executive orders in 2001, 2002, 2004, and 2006, establishing both a White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives and satellite offices at a dozen agencies. He also lifted long-standing regulations that once safeguarded the church/state divide. For example, under the new rules, staff members at faith-based organizations that receive federal funds are now allowed to ask whether or not job applicants believe in a higher power -- and can hire or reject them depending on how they answer the question. Department of Labor: Soon after Bush launched his initiative, Labor Secretary Elaine Chao announced tens of millions of dollars in grants each year for faith-based work-force training and prisoner re-entry programs around the country, including Jubilee Jobs in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and Bridge to Hope Ministries in Redmond, Oregon. One such program, Faith Partners in Colorado Springs, Colorado, teaches people how to find a job through finding Jesus. Department of Veterans Affairs: Bush's initiative allowed a set of institutional changes at Veterans Affairs that have had a significant impact on the constitutional separation of church and state. In the past, faith-based groups supported by federal grants had to agree that they would not use religion while helping veterans. Under the new regulations, individuals supported by federal funds do not have to make this promise. Meanwhile, at the VA Health Care Network in upstate New York, "spirituality assessments" of patients are conducted by a chaplain within 24 hours of a patient's arrival, according to a lawsuit that was filed by members of a Wisconsin-based organization, Freedom from Religion Foundation. A VA hospital in Big Spring, Virginia, also conducts a basic spiritual assessment, with such questions as "When talking to people, how often do you mention spiritual or religious things?" and "How often do you pray?" And at the Loma Linda VA Medical Center in California, a questionnaire states one of the goals of the assessment: "Maintain Optimal Spiritual Health." In some facilities, these spiritual assessments are documented in a patient's medical progress report. Appointing Industry Cronies True to the classic metaphor of a fox guarding the henhouse, the administration continually selected private-sector employees for government jobs regulating the very industries for which they used to work. This allowed former lobbyists and private-sector employees to enact policies at odds with the department's mission and to look the other way when it came time to enforce regulations. Department of Labor: Bush appointed David Lauriski head of the Mine Safety and Health Administration in 2001. Prior to his appointment, Lauriski lobbied to ease government regulations of coal-dust levels. Once in charge of the agency, he revived his effort, despite protests by health experts that it could increase the incidence of black-lung disease. Elsewhere at Labor, Bush appointed Paul DeCamp to serve as administrator of the department's Wage and Hour Division, which oversees labor standards and minimum-wage enforcement. Yet prior to his federal post, DeCamp represented Wal-Mart, which faces more than 50 wage-and-hour lawsuits. Until he resigned from the Labor Department in January 2008, DeCamp sought to gut overtime-pay protections. Department of the Interior: The Bush administration put bureaucrats in charge of making decisions about whether or not to proceed with roads, buildings, and other projects that might harm endangered species, bypassing the scientific experts. "A decade from now someone's going to say, ‘How was this allowed to happen? How could a company do this? How could the river dry up? How is it that suddenly there is much more acid rain?'" says Angler author Gellman. "And you'll go back and look, and you'll go, ‘Wow, we didn't notice that. And look what's happened since.'" Department of Health and Human services: In October 2007, Dr. Susan Orr was appointed deputy assistant secretary for the Office of Population Affairs, in which capacity she was responsible for advising higher-up officials on "a wide range of reproductive health topics," as well as overseeing the $300 million-per-year family-planning program authorized under Title X, which insures access to contraception for low-income women. Orr, however, opposes contraception access. In 2001, when President Bush proposed eliminating the requirement that federal employees' health insurance offer a range of options for birth-control coverage, Orr, then the senior director for marriage and family at the Family Research Council, told The Washington Post, "We're quite pleased because fertility is not a disease. It's not a medical necessity that you have [contraception]." Orr resigned her post in May 2008. Department of Agriculture: Over a dozen high-ranking Bush appointees to the USDA came directly from the meat industry. Prior to becoming the department's press secretary from 2001 to 2005, Alisa Harrison was public-relations director for the National Cattleman's Beef Association (the beef industry's largest trade group). Dale Moore served as NCBA's chief lobbyist before becoming chief of staff for Secretary of Agriculture Ann Veneman. Then there's Charles Lambert, also from the NCBA -- erstwhile lobbyist and chief economist -- who became deputy undersecretary for the USDA's marketing and regulatory programs. He worked hard to deny mad-cow disease; in a June 2003 hearing, he rejected the possibility that the disease could penetrate the U.S. Six months later, it did. As Fast Food Nation author Eric Schlosser wrote in 2004, "You'd have a hard time finding a federal agency more completely dominated by the industry it was created to regulate." De-Funding Dissenters When the Bush administration couldn't change the personnel or meddle with the mission of a specific agency, it had only one recourse: cut the purse strings. Just as the administration rewarded its faith-based programs with ample federal funds, it made cuts in areas that ran counter to its ideology. Money talks, and in the Bush administration, its voice was distinctly conservative. Department of Energy: Despite his professed interest in alternative energy sources, Bush repeatedly recommended cuts to programs working to develop wind, solar, nuclear, and hydrogen power technology. After Bushed announced cuts in the 2005 budget, William Prindle, deputy director of the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, a Washington think tank, told The Christian Science Monitor, "At this point in time, with high energy prices and pressures, you'd think maybe we'd want to invest in a suite of energy-efficiency programs that make a dent right away." Bush also made repeated cuts to research into energy conservation. Agency for International Development (USAID) : The Global Gag Rule, which Bush reinstated on his first day in office, prevents the use of federal money to support international groups that perform abortions -- even if the U.S. assistance does not fund abortions but instead pays for contraception and HIV–prevention programs. The ban is so strict that USAID cannot even provide condoms to international health organizations working in countries with some of the highest HIV/AIDS rates in the world. In truth, Bush made many of your dislikes possible and he wrote a guide to suppression, obfuscation, and general corruption for Obama to follow.......... No the GOP under Bush didn't do wowser stuff to vanquish useless agencies.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#60. To: abraxas (#59)
Hey at least Bush implemented HSA accounts - pre-tax dollars put into these accounts which are also income tax deductible. You can't take that away from him, eh?
#61. To: abraxas, scrapper2 (#59) (Edited)
December 11, 2008 In order to roll back the damage Bush has done over the past eight years, we must have some idea of its scope. In the following pages, we survey some of the systematic ways the Bush administration undermined the federal government, in the hope that the new administration can begin to repair the damage. Notice the pipe-dream from the article's authoress? She clearly hitched her wagon to "Hope and Change". :) Aside from that, she did a good job of detailing some of the failings of Bush II Tara McKelvey (American Prospect)
-Alex Kurtagic
#62. To: scrapper2 (#60)
lol....okay. You can't take that away from him, eh?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#63. To: abraxas, Jethro Tull, christine (#59)
Great post, abraxas: I've been saying for years that if the "remnant" didn't make a move during the Bush administration, it might never. Obama has done much damage but he didn't do it in the hallowed name of Christ Almighty. As Obama made use of the very same treasonous mechanisms put in place by Bush's cadres of betrayal, the very same ones that Obama's loudest supporters decried, I just snickered to myself. I knew it would be this way. And the Bush right: how loudly have they complained about the NSA or DHS? They're happy to get sniffed and scanned. Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
#64. To: Deasy (#63)
Yes, it validates them to be touched, even if only by an overweight pedophile TSA underling. They're happy to get sniffed and scanned.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#65. To: Deasy (#63) (Edited)
Obama made use of the very same treasonous mechanisms put in place by Bush's cadres of betrayal No he got an even bigger voter draw by playing on the memory of slavery to bring out the guilt of whites. Without the votes of white guilters Obama would still be an absentee, little known, senator from Illinois. What were those Bush mechanisms you speak of? IRS targeting Tea Partyers is all Obama Obamacare and insidious taxes to pay for the insurance aided and abetted Behemoth is all Obama EPA mega monster and the shutting down of fossil fuel energy sources is all Obama Executive orders "legalizing" Dreamers and opening the doors to 100's of thousands of central Americans by abusing the intent of legislation to prevent human traffic-ing is all Obama Gay marriage - having the DOJ not defend DOMA - is all Obama Multiple incursions and meddling in Libya, Egypt, Syria, Ukraine is all Obama Significant expansion of the war in Afghanistan is all Obama Ridiculous extensions of unemployment benefits is all Obama Seeding race wars is all Obama - I don't recall Bush sending his DOJ to town to stoke looting and violence by taking the side of a white victim Deasy, you need to get off your hatred for Bush podium and take a close look at your lefty hope and change hero, BamBam. Stop making excuses for this evil POS. You sound like kossacks and nesters and demundergrounders: 6 years into Obama's reign and you/they are still blaming Bush for the major anti-American actions and CF's done all by Obama's own lonesome. Fess up - you're not an objective neutral intellectual as you try to portray yourself - you jumped in a little too quickly and with a little too much venom just now. At least I make no secret about my political leanings. but he didn't do it in the hallowed name of Christ Almighty.
#66. To: scrapper2, abraxas, X-15, Jethro Tull, christine, *Up to the Sun* (#65)
PNAC, 9/11, Patriot Acts, DHS, Iraq, Afghanistan, NDAAs, torture renditions, GitMo, Abu Ghrab, CIA drug running out of Afghanistan, Georgia; NSA spying. FBI overreaches. Amnesty.What were those Bush mechanisms you speak of?
At least I make no secret about my political leanings.
I have one "political" leaning: that the United States should be restored as a peaceful, clean, and prosperous home for its European American founding peoples.
#67. To: Deasy (#66)
I might add that all peoples here legally should enjoy the liberty intended by the founders and all others rejected out of hand. I have one "political" leaning: that the United States should be restored as a peaceful, clean, and prosperous home for its European American founding peoples.
"This place called earth is hell (though it could be heaven).” Those that haven't noticed are without a soul to be redeemed.
noone222
#68. To: noone222 (#67)
I used to feel the same way.
#69. To: Deasy (#66)
PNAC - you got the wrong Bush brother - George Bush is not a signatory to the PNAC's report entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses". Jeb Bush did sign on. 9/11 - highly debatable Patriot Acts, DHS, Iraq, Afghanistan, NDAA - the DemRats were very supportive of all the aforementioned - Bush did not use Executive Orders for any of this- some of the DemRats were in fact hot to invade Iran along with the neocons but Bush rebuffed them Actually the NDAA was an effort to get academic standards in place across the 50 states - you know what ethnic group did well by this? African Americans because finally schools had to teach them 3 R's - unfortunately Obama got rid of NDAA - and please don't whine about the teachers having to teach to tests - what's wrong with that? better to teach SOMETHING that was testable rather than teaching kids how to thread a condom on a banana etc etc which is what public schools were doing before NDAA - "life skills" course work is what schools called it. Now under Obama's regime, schools are dumbing down curricula for Hispanics and Blacks so schools look good. Nice! As for torture renditions and Gitmo - give me a break. If the USA is going to invade Sunni nations - which Congress and voters were all for at the time - then you can't treat Sunnis like WWII Euro POW's. Read up on Sunni's - it may surprise your pussy eyes. Abu Ghrab - 43 wasn't there - so what does he have to do with Mossad interrogators and some redneck female and her soldier lover? CIA running drugs out of Afghanistan - drug running by the CIA all over the world was seemingly well established before 43 moved into the WH Georgia - Bush backed off mighty quick once Ol' Blue Eyes Putin went toe to toe with him. Unlike Obama who doesn't know when to back off. NSA spying - are we to believe this started with Bush? FBI over reaches???? - you mean like 40 civil rights FBI agents investigating a justified police shooting? Amnesty? - when did Bush do Amnesty? I seem to forget that event. Did Bush use Executive Orders to grant amnesty to Dreamers? Did Bush take state governors to court for trying to protect their state borders? Did Bush enable states to grant DL's to illegals? Did Bush threaten to circumvent Congress and use Executive Orders to grant Amnesty to 5 Million illegals? Did Bush force ICE, DHS to babysit 100,000 central American illegal minors on military bases? Here's the deal, Deasy, when Obama won the WH, he also won a majority in the House and Senate. So anything Boy Wonder wanted to over turn from the Bush era, he could have easily done so. Instead Obama did next to nothing to imprint his Change once he got into the WH except for NDAA and Gitmo this term. What he did was make our nation worse economically and in terms of race relation tensions. Plus he started new conflicts abroad and expanded the Afghan front and let Iraq to be taken over by ISIS. IMHO Obama is the absolute worst incompetent President America has ever had. Empty suit personified. As for your wish "United States should be restored as a peaceful, clean, and prosperous home for its European American founding peoples." What does that mean? Wake up, Deasy - this 2014, not 1776. Spilled milk everywhere. You can thank DemRat Swimmer for personally knocking the bottle of milk over. PNAC, 9/11, Patriot Acts, DHS, Iraq, Afghanistan, NDAAs, torture renditions, GitMo, Abu Ghrab, CIA drug running out of Afghanistan, Georgia; NSA spying. FBI overreaches. Amnesty.
#70. To: scrapper2, christine, 4 (#69)
My point is that Obama is building on the impeachable abuses secured by Bush II, whose PNAC-infested cabinet and other appointees including: Cheney: Vice President; Rumsfeld: SECDEF; Wolfowitz deputy SECDEF; John Bolton: various State Department assignments; Richard Perl: defense policy adviser chairman. Let's not forget Alberto Gonzalez's hospital room confrontation over NSA eavesdropping. John Ashcroft had his religious agendas but at least he exhibited a brave willingness to stand up to Gonzales from his hospital bed. In congressional testimony, Senator Arlen Specter when Gonzales failed to realize that the bill of rights embeds Habeas Corpus, asked him point blank if he understood the Constitution at all. What I mean by Bush's abuse of EOs is specific: how he stripped us of our freedoms and deprived us of our access to information about the presidency itself: here's a good list of Bush EOs including: 13233, "Gutting the Presidential Records Act" boosting presidential secrecy; 13440, "finessing the Geneva conventions." That's right, permitting torture. 13292, permitting the vice president to classify documents that might otherwise have been left public by default; 13303: "Free Reign in Iraq." 13279: letting religious groups call the hiring shots in faith-based" government-funded charities. I smell synagogues and CUFI-members on this one; 13423: Alternative Fuel Fixall (big corn and chemical freebies). National Security Presidential Directive 51 — granting sweeping powers to the president in times of emergency. Here is the full, official list of Bush EOs as compiled by the government. Here is a similar compilation of orders and abuses provided by Deanna Spingola at newswithviews.com. These were current as of 2006, and did not include the anti-freemarket bailout fiascoes which were much more shall we agree, Laisses Faire than Obama's better-supervised TARP actions. I hope we can agree to disagree because I respect your intellect and commitment to community. There is a low-level war being waged against European Americans in this country, and we are losing. The numbers show us that. How we each respond is up to us as individuals. I am responding by identifying the treasonous aspects of the party that promised to be the party of anti-communism. The party that promised traditional, 1776-tyle freedom. And abandoned it all for Zionism. George Bush is not a signatory to the PNAC's report entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses". Jeb Bush did sign on.
9/11 - highly debatable
Incontrovertible: it happened on Cheney/Rumsfeld's watch. Bush did not use Executive Orders for any of this- some of the DemRats were in fact hot to invade Iran along with the neocons but Bush rebuffed them
Congress failed to support war on Iran. I don't know that Bush II wouldn't have asked them to declare war if he had gotten enough votes. His cabinet was vociferously implementing sanctions on Iran, which are tantamount to acts of war. Actually the NDAA was an effort to get academic standards in place across the 50 states
I'm referring to the annual Nation Defense Authorization Acts. These created secret military courts that were capable trying citizens in secret. American citizens (and "unidentifiable enemy combatants") could now be tried in secret for the most obvious crime of all, sedition. These annual acts became more and more grotesque as the Bush years continued. Obama has not rescinded them that I know. EOs and NDAAs have been the preferred means for ramrodding attacks on our privacy and personal security, e.g. Habeas Corpus. Habeas Corpus is much older than 1776: it dates back to the 13th century when the Magna Carta was signed. It requires that authorities provide "the body," or access to the individual under arrest. This ensures the right of the accused to be in touch with legal support and to have interested parties informed of his whereabouts. Bush unraveled it with the stroke of a pen and help from a timid congress. As for torture renditions and Gitmo - give me a break. If the USA is going to invade Sunni nations - which Congress and voters were all for at the time - then you can't treat Sunnis like WWII Euro POW's. Read up on Sunni's - it may surprise your pussy eyes.
First of all, we should never have been involved with a "global war" against Islamic militarism. And I"ll note that during this war, we imported hundreds of thousands of Islamic browns and blacks from Africa to Indonesia. (All under Bush.) The most important concept to consider with regard to torture used against other peoples will be used on Americans as well by the same agencies. White separatist prisoner David Lane (before his death) reported in his last letters to home that he was incarcerated with Muslim extremists in special detention centers for terrorists. You can see that serious dissenters from the American system will be treated the same way as these so-called Moslems have been. Abu Ghrab - 43 wasn't there - so what does he have to do with Mossad interrogators and some redneck female and her soldier lover?
43 was the CINC. His lack of control over military discipline was noteworthy. Detainees in general could be fingered (both in Iraq and Afghanistan) by people seeking retribution against personal enemies and for the money paid to informants by the CIA and military intelligence. Speaking of Mossad and Israeli domestic security tactics, he appointed Michael Chertoff, dual citizen to head our DHS. NSA spying - are we to believe this started with Bush?
Cynicom is a former employee or contractor to the NSA, and has stated that the number of people under surveilance was in the tens of thousands in "his day." That number includes all Americans who use telephones, wireless phones, electronic mail, and especially electronic mail stored on the Internet. There is a data warehouse that tracks and stores every endpoint communications link and metadata about those transactions for everything passing through American telecommunications centers. That means much of the world is under American surveillance. That happened under Bush II. Amnesty? - when did Bush do Amnesty?
Bush II, as did Ronald Reagan, appealed constantly to America's "humanity" and our "Christian values" while lobbying congress and the American people in favor of legislation granting citizenship to millions and millions of illegally-entered people. He worked closely with the GOP leadership throughout his tenure to achieve this goal. It wouldn't surprise me if amnesty passes during a Democrat Presidency, but Bush pulled in more conservative Americans into the snare of Nobless oblige than we can count. I personally know people who have expressed such sentiments. If Obama succeeds in continuing to grant amnesty by Executive Order, he will be standing on the broad shoulders of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. Wake up, Deasy - this 2014, not 1776. Spilled milk everywhere. You can thank DemRat Swimmer for personally knocking the bottle of milk over.
I respect your positions and I understand you're a true conservative but speaking only for myself, the demographic shifts well underway in this country right now are intolerable to me. I don't hope for a simple political solution, nor do I fear a single politician or political party more than the other at this point.
#71. To: Deasy (#70)
I think you blame Bush personally for events that happened (9/11) on his watch or which came to be known ( NSA spying, CIA drug rings) on his watch as things that he orchestrated. Bush was not a good President by any means - he was bad - but he did not purposely destroy America economically, racially, culturally as Obama seems to be willfully doing. If you truly are concerned about Euro American legacy, you should be able to see the difference between the 2 Presidents on that point alone.
#72. To: scrapper2 (#71)
From that perspective Obama's election and reelection have caused more whites to realize there is something wrong with the country's agenda toward them than anything that had come before. As good sheep they'll be ready and willing to vote for the next GOP candidates to "save them." I predict a landslide by republicans this midterm and in the 2016 election a Republican president. By 2035 I predict a Hispanic majority (no change) and by 2050 at least, a majority of Spanish-speaking citizens. (No change.) It doesn't matter how we vote: the political system is whittling us down to a minority with full intention of making us as small a minority as possible. Both parties are working to those ends without remorse or regret.
#73. To: scrapper2 (#71) (Edited)
Yes, I believe his cabinet was either incompetent or permitted it to happen. The response alone (wars in Afghanistan and Iraq against an ill-defined enemy and to root out WMD that didn't exist) were corruption enough for impeachment. And look what it did for white morale! They redirected all their energies into kicking Achmed's ass for Israel. Whites are still seething at Arabs and loving Israel, just as G_d told them to do. I think you blame Bush personally for events that happened (9/11)
#74. To: Deasy (#72) (Edited)
The option of voting for the lesser evil - the practice to which you reference - has been all but taken away from middle class Americans due to demographics. HildaBeast is the front runner to win 2016 anyways. And The Beast will not "save" America, that's for certain. The following quote has been attributed to a Czech PM but this is neither verified or dismissed by Snopes - let's say the source is anonymous - regardless the content is spot on imo and the same electorate will triumphantly elect America's FIRST FEMALE President because it will seem "cool" and "forward thinking" and "progressive": "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president." POSTSCRIPT: you called me a "true conservative" earlier - I'm not sure what that means - whatever, I'll tell you what I am: I'm a fiscal conservative who identifies with originalist constitutionalists and I also have some libertarian leanings socially. As good sheep they'll be ready and willing to vote for the next GOP candidates to "save them."
#75. To: scrapper2 (#74)
This is one area where we clearly differ. I believe we lost the Republic long ago. It's just taking a long time for people to realize it. My biggest concern is that people who want to rebuild the republic want to repeat the same mistakes we've made in the past plus some additional ones that the founders knew better (such as calling it a Christian nation). I expect that Ron Paul will have been the last politician I could support without deep regrets. He would have done his best to starve the beast. Although that wouldn't be necessary if we weren't a multicultural empire, I see it as the only practical way to reform what we have. He had great ideas, but lacked charisma. The math says that by 2050, it'll be a Spanish-speaking country with founding whites in a small minority no matter what we do politically today. That almost certainly means continued growth of Marxism. I find it my duty to resist a rogue government, unbound by any semblance of a reasonable constitution, that tolerates the demographic shifts that are crushing our European American future. As whites become more and more of a minority, I predict that it will be more and more difficult politically to ignore their concerns. We're not at that tipping point just yet. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama
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