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Title: Ron Paul Thinks There Should Be More Secessionist Movements in the U.S
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URL Source: http://www.nationaljournal.com/poli ... -movements-in-the-u-s-20140930
Published: Sep 30, 2014
Author: Rebecca Nelson
Post Date: 2014-09-30 09:43:53 by Ada
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Views: 372
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The former U.S. congressman and perennial presidential candidate tells National Journal that he's "real pleased" with American secessionist groups. September 30, 2014 Secessionists across the world were inspired by Scotland's energetic attempt at independence from the United Kingdom earlier this month. Ron Paul, as it turns out, joined them. In an essay on his eponymous institution's website Sunday, the former U.S. congressman from Texas wrote that any supporters of freedom should cheer secessionism because it allows for smaller government—a constant mantra for the libertarian and perennial presidential candidate, who didn't previously realize there were more than a handful of secessionist groups in the United States. "I was real pleased with that, and a bit surprised," Paul told National Journal. "But then, on second thought, you think, 'Why not? Why not more?' " Fringe groups calling for states and regions to secede from the U.S., such as the Second Vermont Republic and the Alaskan Independence Party, gained more publicity in the weeks leading up to the Scottish referendum. As the outsized federal government continues to encroach on individual rights, Paul said, he thinks there will be a groundswell of these movements. "It's something that I think is going to grow, because the failure of the federal government is going to get much worse," he said. "When the bankruptcy evolves, and maybe some of these pension funds are confiscated, and the wars never end, and bankruptcy comes forth, people [will say], 'Hey, we're getting a bad deal from this. Why don't we leave?' " He added: "I think it's inevitable people wanting to leave will be there, and the numbers will grow." Realistically, though, Paul said he doesn't think any of these groups could actually succeed. Despite the founders' own deep belief in secession—they gained America's independence from Europe, after all—he said the Civil War set the precedent that secession would carry "very, very bad" results. "By our history, the heavy hand of the federal government would come down," Paul told National Journal. "They'd probably shoot 'em." In typical fashion, Paul argued that the principle of secession was more important than what could actually happen in reality. It's the threat, he said, that's important to keep the federal government in check. "I think what is most important is we have a concrete right to secede," Paul said. "Even if we never had any secession, or any state declare independence, we would be so much better off, because there would always be this threat. Once the threat of a state leaving was removed, it was just open-door policy for the federal government to expand itself and run roughshod out over the states because the states couldn't do much." Given that his son, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., will likely run for president in 2016 with a much better chance of winning than his father ever had, the elder Paul's willingness to share his reasonably radical views seem imprudent, if not unexpected. In an election cycle that has often equated the politics of Ron and Rand, this latest remark is sure to annoy the potential 2016-er's supporters. For Rand's sake, it's fortunate that Ron didn't express his support for the Texas Nationalist Movement or any other secessionist groups in the U.S. Before he'd back Texan independence, he joked, "I better check out and see who's running Austin before we decide about that."
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#1. To: Ada (#0)
Day late and dollar short Ron... Why did he NOT lead the parade when he had an army of followers??? Because he was part and parcel of this corrupt government.
yeah, because of his support for Israel. however, as we all here know, whomever the shadow government wants for POTUS, that's who it will be. To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.
Going to be interesting to see how Ron waltzes around trying to support or not support his own son. Hillary on the ballot, she will win. Anyone that votes is agreeing we have a legitimate government.
We've ordered absentee ballots to vote on local races/issues and some state propositions. No zio-fisters of any stripe will be supported. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Everyone can come live in the Duchy of Grand Bobistan.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Were I single, I'd surely consider becoming an Ozarkian.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Well he already made a recent public statement that he and his son had different views. But whether or not Ron supports his son will have no bearing on whether I decide to root for him. John Howard says: There are 4 schools of economics: Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war. This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2012 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates. Because of contribution limits, organizations that bundle together many individual contributions are often among the top donors to presidential candidates. These contributions can come from the organization's members or employees (and their families). The organization may support one candidate, or hedge its bets by supporting multiple candidates. Groups with national networks of donors - like EMILY's List and Club for Growth - make for particularly big bundlers. Why (and How) We Use Donors' Employer/Occupation Information NOTE: All the numbers on this page are for the 2012 election cycle and based on Federal Election Commission data released electronically on Monday, March 25, 2013. Feel free to distribute or cite this material, but please credit the Center for Responsive Politics. For permission to reprint for commercial uses, such as textbooks, contact the Center. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); OpenSecrets.org is your nonpartisan guide to money's influence on U.S. elections and public policy. Whether you're a voter, journalist, activist, student or interested citizen, use our free site to shine light on your government.
Rand long ago showed his obedience at the wailing wall. Not much room for choice there.
Not much room for choice there. Bingo! Rand, Ted, Shrill, and all the rest of the bagel-sniffers. (Thanks X-man) “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
: Ron Paul Thinks There Should Be More Secessionist Movements in the U.S
#2. To: Ada (#0)
Given that his son, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., will likely run for president in 2016 with a much better chance of winning than his father ever had,
#3. To: christine (#2)
#4. To: Cynicom, christine, 4 (#3)
#5. To: Lod, Cynicom (#4)
#6. To: Turtle (#5)
#7. To: Cynicom (#3)
(Edited)
Going to be interesting to see how Ron waltzes around trying to support or not support his own son.
Marxism: steal everything
Keynesianism: steal by counterfeiting whenever needed
Chicago school (Milton Friedman): steal by counterfeiting at a steady, predictable rate
Austrians: don't steal
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#8. To: Cynicom (#1)
RPs top campaign contributors for 2012. See a trend here?
Top Contributors
US Army $113,933 US Navy $91,100 US Air Force $88,102 Google Inc $42,478 US Dept of Defense $40,500 Boeing Co $30,724 US Marine Corps $30,708 Microsoft Corp $30,259 IBM Corp $26,547 US Government $25,766 Intel Corp $24,046 Lockheed Martin $23,370 Northrop Grumman $22,635 RagingWire Enterprise Solutions $20,000 Corriente Advisors $20,000 US Dept of Homeland Security $19,984 US Postal Service $19,692 Verizon Communications $17,243 Oracle Corp $17,163 AT&T Inc $17,152 Percent of Contributions Coded
Coded $9,813,758 (67%) 
Uncoded $4,878,159 (33%) Total $14,691,917
("Help! The numbers don't add up...") 
Count Cash & Make Change.
#9. To: PnbC (#7)
But whether or not Ron supports his son will have no bearing on whether I decide to root for him.
#10. To: Cynicom (#9)
Rand long ago showed his obedience at the wailing wall.
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