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Title: Do you believe in the Constitution?
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Published: Oct 1, 2014
Author: Frank Bates
Post Date: 2014-10-01 17:00:24 by BTP Holdings
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With apparently nothing better to do, the Obama administration has created another group to spy on U.S. citizens. One of the targets will be people who engage in “conspiracy theories.” You’ll love it when you find out what one former administration official called a conspiracy theory. Click here to find out. Do you engage in “odd behaviors,” such as home-schooling your kids or stockpiling weapons and ammunition? If so, you’re probably being watched by this group. Click here to find out about the latest group that’s spying on those who stand by the U.S. Constitution. To your freedom, Frank Bates PS If the links above aren’t working, you can copy this link into your browser: www.patriotheadquarters.c...their-way-or-the-highway/
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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
The Constitution is not law because it provides no means of enforcement or penalty for violating it. A law is not valid unless it includes a means of enforcement and penalties. The Constitution is no more valid than a law against bank robbery that had no means of enforcement or penalty. Otherwise, without penalties bank robbery would thrive. Laws are what congress passes for citizens which always has penalties and a means of enforcement. Fake laws are laws congress passes requiring congressmen to do or not do something which never have a means of enforcement or penalties.
Congress can pass resolutions and other things, including "bills", which are then sent to the President for his signature. If he signs the bill, it becomes law. Or, he can veto it, with or without reason, and it fails to become law. This is a simp0le proposition. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Congress has the power to override Presidential vetos and those bills are to be returned with stated veto objections. Presidents do not really have legislative powers. As the Chief Law Enforcement Officer, they are presented with an opportunity to veto and express their objections to enforcement on Constitutional grounds, then Congress has the opportunity to address those concerns. Presidential signatures affirm clerically that they have received those orders from Congress without objection as unlawful, in their opinion. Laws of Constitutionality can be made without Presidential approval if a bill is unsigned or not vetoed within 10 days while Congress is in session. Presentment Clause - Wikipedia The Presentment Clause, [...] is contained in Article I, Section 7, Clauses 2 and 3 From the Summary: If the President disapproves the bill and vetoes it, then he must return the bill, along with a veto message (his objections), back to the House in which the bill was created. A two-thirds majority of both Houses may override the veto, and the bill will become law without the President's signature. If, while the Congress is in session, the President does not sign a bill or veto it within 10 days (not counting Sundays) after its passage, then it automatically becomes law. If, while Congress is not in session (adjourned), the President does not sign a bill or veto it within 10 days (not counting Sundays) after its passage, then it fails to become law. This "pocket veto"—so called because the President is then said to have put the bill in his pocket and forgotten about it—cannot be overridden by Congress, but once Congress reconvenes they can pass the same bill again. In addition, Congressional "pro forma" sessions may be used to prevent pocket vetoes. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I used to believe in it. Now I'm becoming an agnostic, meaning I'm not so sure it is real anymore John Howard says: There are 4 schools of economics: Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war. I used to believe in it. Now I'm becoming an agnostic, meaning I'm not so sure it is real anymore Compared to God, the constitution is real, you can see it and admire it under glass. The bible or the 10 commandments on the other hand is only hearsay (apologizes for obvious heresy lol) Like any well established institutions, both doctrines ie the constitution and the bible, we are raised to believe in both.They are meant to guide us, make us stronger or help us out in moments of doubts and/or darkness which is all good. Unfortunately like any institution when they get too big for their britches, corruption occurs where the old saying of that is good for the goose is good for the gander, does not apply anymore. The way things are going, we are witnessing that what the gander is conditioned to believe in has become a threat for the goose. When the gander tried to remind the goose that is it good for both, the gander get arrested, thrown in jail, spied on or is called a conspiracy theory cuckoo bird. The flock of geese up the hill should all go back to philosophy 101 classes and review the law of identity before being allowed back into senate and congress floors. This way, maybe when the goose lay eyes on the constitution, they will call it what it is instead of a piece of toilet paper to wipe their asses with. Respectfully The gander.
Laws are what congress passes for citizens which always has penalties and a means of enforcement. Fake laws are laws congress passes requiring congressmen to do or not do something which never have a means of enforcement or penalties. Section 5 of the 14th Amendment is called the Enforcement Clause but the 2nd, 9th and 10th Amendments are most relevant. The Militias of the States are authorized by the Constitution to enforce it, as well as their State Constitutions, and they don't need to wait for permisson from any insurgents against the Constitution to do their job. James Madison on How to Enforce the Constitution - Tenth Amendment Center: There’s nothing from the founders – anywhere – in which they tell us that our first response to extreme, repeated violations of the constitution and liberty is to vote the bums out, or sue the feds in federal court. Nothing. ... Jefferson told us that a “nullification is the rightful remedy.” And Madison told us that states are “duty-bound to interpose.” The Blueprint: James Madison’s Advice - Tenth Amendment Center: Far too many Americans view any resistance to federal authority as rebellion. They need to recognize that the true rebels are elected officials, federal bureaucrats and functionaries in Washington D.C. who refuse to respect the constitutional limits of their power. Militia Charged With Enforcement of State and U.S. Constitution: Remember that the US Constitution assigns the duties of enforcing the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution to the militia of the several states ... The Militia of each state is the constitutionally assigned body of enforcement. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
What the....I saw them in a movie! Charlton Heston himself brought them down from the hills!!! See: :) Do you believe in the Constitution?
#2. To: DWornock (#1)
Laws are what congress passes for citizens which always has penalties and a means of enforcement. Fake laws are laws congress passes requiring congressmen to do or not do something which never have a means of enforcement or penalties.
#3. To: BTP Holdings (#2)
Congress can pass resolutions and other things, including "bills", which are then sent to the President for his signature. If he signs the bill, it becomes law. Or, he can veto it, with or without reason, and it fails to become law. This is a simp0le proposition. ;)
If the President approves the bill and signs it, then the bill becomes law.
#4. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
Do you believe in the Constitution?
Marxism: steal everything
Keynesianism: steal by counterfeiting whenever needed
Chicago school (Milton Friedman): steal by counterfeiting at a steady, predictable rate
Austrians: don't steal
'Wiped off the Map' – The Rumor of the Century
#5. To: PnbC (#4)
Do you believe in the Constitution?
#6. To: DWornock (#1)
The Constitution is not law because it provides no means of enforcement or penalty for violating it. A law is not valid unless it includes a means of enforcement and penalties. The Constitution is no more valid than a law against bank robbery that had no means of enforcement or penalty. Otherwise, without penalties bank robbery would thrive.
#7. To: Hobbits are Nice People (#5)
the 10 commandments on the other hand is only hearsay
-Alex Kurtagic
#8. To: Hobbits are Nice People (#5)
I'd say any flockers who can't pass a Constitution literacy test shouldn't even be on or near The Hill. The flock of geese up the hill should all go back to philosophy 101 classes and review the law of identity before being allowed back into senate and congress floors.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#9. To: GreyLmist (#6)
You pointing out that voting and the militia are a means of enforcement may be correct. However, in modern times, both are worthless. The international bankers that own the Federal Reserve have use their right to counterfeit to buy up all mainstream media so, in effect, we only get to vote for those they approve of;, that is, those politicans that will vote as directed. Anyone else is ignored or labeled as a kook. And, we don't have a militia and, even if we did, they would be powerless against a paid army with all their high-tech modern weapons. In my opinion, it is near hopeless. The bankers own the politicians, our colleges and public schools, and the media. Therefore, the indoctrination of the public is almost total. We are slaves to the all powerful bankers and very few realize it.
#10. To: GreyLmist (#6)
Thank you for posting this.
#11. To: DWornock (#9)
The Constitution and its Amendments are not worthless. But surely those up on The Hill surely are. You pointing out that voting and the militia are a means of enforcement may be correct. However, in modern times, both are worthless.
#12. To: purplerose (#10)
You're welcome and I agree with yours at #11. Thank you for posting this.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#13. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
Who was it that said the "Constitution is just a GD piece of paper"?
#14. To: DWornock (#1)
The constitution is supposed to be the highest law of the land and our basic structure of foundation, to form all other laws around. The real problem is not with the constitution but with us the people and our failure to read and understand it in total coupled , with our lack of insistence that constitutional law be followed. The current tyranny perpetuates this system of ignorance by not teaching children about constitution. By using unnecessary complicated wording in bill formation. Intimidation tactics against those that attempt to stand up for inalienable rights. I myself find parts of the US constitution objectionable. Still, their is nothing wrong with that. I just need to convince enough representatives , senators, and US citizens to amend it. In it's amenability is its strength. People just need to be taught about it. For the record, I object to the electoral college system and I believe the whole structure of government could function better if Citizens themselves had some direct legislative control. I mean what is the point of our representatives? To represent people en mass , the multitudes who can not take off work to discuss bills hundreds or thousands of miles away as well as to give a voice for the weaker, the illiterate, and the troubled. Do the representatives do their job effectively? Fuck no! Most of the time they do not even read what they sign. Further when constituents write them directly for whatever reason we are often ignored. IGNORED! How can one call themselves a representative when they refuse to listen to those they are charged with representing? They can't. They're not. Their tyrants, bullies, feudal dictators that only even show up to the circus a third of the year. And it will always be this way until the day we voters, those that waste our 15 minutes to do the pointless worthless thing, those of us that participate need a voice for ourselves. SO To make a more perfect union two things need to happen after people realize the importance of knowing the damn document in the first place. Those two things are~ 1: Dissolve the electoral colleges in favor of a Direct popular vote for both president and vice president. Keep the rest as is with exception to number 2. 2: Appoint a house of the people with all the same legislative powers and responsibilities as the house of representatives. We don't even need to necessarily dissolve the H.O.R. but rather a house of the people could act as a fourth check and balance. Where all new law is run by the H.O.P first before it even goes to the H.O.R and Senate. We have the internet now and for people you know that do not, they can go hit any public library. We have a 90%+ literacy rate. The weak and the troubled could have their own voice and most importantly , Being ignored would be less of an issue. Our representatives may never change but with the base power starting with us we would be empowered ourselves. We are at a new point in our society that we are educated enough and connected enough to rule in positive self determination. Don't believe the Bureau of Land Management and the department of education need military grade guns and surplus? Vote that bill down before it hits house or senate. Are you in the minority that disagrees? Write house and senate to overrule the H.O.P decision with two thirds agreed consent in their two houses. Believe solar roads would ultimately outweigh the initial cost and quite probably lead us into a new age of prosperity and world leadership thanks to unlimited electrical power? Vote that shindig right on through for the senate and H.O.R. to discuss,amend, and ratify. Disapprove of the rider they added on purposing guns for the B.L.M. and D.o.E. again? Vote that shit down , resend it back to them sans rider. Do you think this is too complicated and that you would never have the time to do this? If you do then I would bet you also feel voting is too complicated and that you don't have the time to do that either. And thats just fine. Participating in government takes time and effort and energy. It is not for everyone. But for those that are willing to go the extra mile and give of themselves to build something better, for people like us, this kind of system would be ideal. Of course it would require people reading and knowing the constitution properly to function optimally but if you are one of those that choose to participate then you probably already know. This nation was founded as a democratic representative republic. It is neither a democracy alone nor a republic alone. It is both via the representatives. Representatives that do not do their jobs but instead choose to oppress , extort, and even murder us. It is time for those among us willing, to represent ourselves and express our true will to the whole sum of our fellow citizenry. And taxation? well, those bitches that only work 130 days a year for half a million dollars a year plus benefits might not like our input but I am certain you and I will really enjoy smooth properly built roads, a more effective justice system that doesn't beat the shit out of us for fun, public education system that teach kids to think instead of indoctrinate... We wouldn't even have to cut their posh budgets potentially. All of this money could come from scraping useless programs like the f-18 money pit. Still being built just so that rich welfare corporations building obsolete machines wont lose money. Fuck that, let them build drones and let the personal not needed collect severance and a new job. TAXATION! Half of Isrealis National Income is US tax dollars. I think they can get by with less. All they ever do is steal land and murder innocents. I say fuck em, let em buy their own bullets and bulldozers. TAX-FUCKING-Ation Did the TSA stop ebola or terrorists? Propose the bill to dissolve that bullshit.Think Freespeech zones are bullshit? Cite the first amendment and march outside that freespeech zone and propose the bill to nix that bullshit. Do lifetime supreme court appointments foster a dictatorial tyrannical government? Propose the bill that limits them to 25 year seats. With no re-election eligibility. And maybe a clause not allowing presidents to serve on such a high seat. I mean when you get shit like president Taft who later became a supreme court justice is unlikely that they would ever rule against anything they passed while in office. That is not a free and fair government ruled by the people in the name of liberty. No, thats a fucken tyranny. And the only way to put an ultimate end to tyranny is by pulling ourselves up by our own bootstraps, knowing what we are talking about as well as what we need to do, and then participating in the exercise of that responsibility. Only when we are free to represent ourselves will we truly be free. And that can be constitutionally achieved , MUST be constitutional achieved, this amendment (in some fair form) must be realized, for if it is not, then we will be doomed to repetitive revolutions against tyrannies. Only, by having a real voice in the legislation that will rule us all, will we ever truly be freed from the evils of tyranny. Anything less will never do anything more but deliver us into more of what we have already seen in history. The constitution works but only if you know it and insist upon adherence to it. The Constitution is not law because it provides no means of enforcement or penalty for violating it. A law is not valid unless it includes a means of enforcement and penalties.
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#15. To: Itistoolate (#13)
A GD idiot with a crush on his sister. Who was it that said the "Constitution is just a GD piece of paper"?
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#16. To: DWornock (#9) (Edited)
In my opinion, it is near hopeless. The bankers own the politicians, our colleges and public schools, and the media. Therefore, the indoctrination of the public is almost total. We are slaves to the all powerful bankers and very few realize it. That is even mandated by Congressional law so, rebellious though they are against the Constitution, I don't think many would go on record as agreeing with your assessment that we don't have a Militia. We have 50 Militias -- each with two branches: organized and unorganized. America's real government is the Constitution, not any disloyalists/secessionists who've defected from it. The bankers' Slave Trade and all other counterfeit/foreign systems are invalid here. It's about as simple as that. Whether they have a willful, sycophantic majority with more firepower or not is beside the point and does nothing to change the fact that they are insurgents/outlaws. Edited for punctuation. You pointing out that voting and the militia are a means of enforcement may be correct. However, in modern times, both are worthless. The international bankers that own the Federal Reserve have use their right to counterfeit to buy up all mainstream media so, in effect, we only get to vote for those they approve of;, that is, those politicans that will vote as directed. Anyone else is ignored or labeled as a kook. And, we don't have a militia and, even if we did, they would be powerless against a paid army with all their high-tech modern weapons.
if you are an adult American male between the ages of 17 and 45, you are part of the militia, whether you knew it or not, whether or not you want to be, and whether or not you are armed. Just so you know.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#17. To: titorite (#14) (Edited)
Lots of good suggestions and food for thought in your post. I'd like to see at least one embassy for the Constitution in every county of every State that could educate the public more about it and be staffed with diplomatic ambassadors, as well as provide Constitutionality reviews on all aspects of proposed legislations that would disqualify any which are not in full compliance. Another thing they might be able to do is review cases for Political Prisoner status which have been sentenced by rogue judiciaries in conflict with the Constitution. I think those embassies could be financed, maybe completely or nearly so, with a Constitutionally sound, alternative currency system and Treasury for that. Personally, since vast distances are no longer the conferencing obstacle they once were, I'd prefer that all Congressional Representatives and Senators in D.C. be dismissed back to their home States so they wouldn't be so collectively accessible to the briberies of lobbyists and sundry others. Dissolving the electoral college in favor of a direct popular vote, though, is one point on which I'd have to object somewhat. Yes, the electoral college system has been corrupted and, since all States are to be considered as equals in America's Republic regardless of their population numbers, I too have difficulty with that concept as it is, rather than it being limited to one electoral vote only for each State as determined by the majority votes of their citizens/districts. I do believe the Founders intended the electoral college to be a more fair and reasonable method than majority rule alone and here are a couple of examples why that's so: The Electoral College: How to Defend? - Tenth Amendment Center Blog Thus: In this imaginary series the Red Sox scored 36 runs while the Mets scored only 13, yet everyone would acknowledge that the Mets won the series. Not a single sports fan would be running around demanding that we count the total number of runs instead, or insisting that the way we determine the World Series winner is sinister. But I think this is the correct analogy with the electoral college. How many games — e.g., how many political societies, albeit weighted to some degree by population — did you win? Also, the electoral college puts an upper bound on how much support you can earn from any one state. Even if your whole campaign is geared toward taxing the rest of the country and handing the money to California, you still can’t get more than 55 electoral votes from that state. So to some extent, the electoral college forces the candidate to run a national race more than would be necessary otherwise.
blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012/11/the-electoral-college-how-to-defend/
[Edited to deactivate link - wasn't working correctly on my computer] consider this. During the World Series, we don’t add up the total number of runs scored by each team over the course of the series, and then decide who won on that basis. We count up how many games each team won.
Game 1: Red Sox 10, Mets 0
Game 2: Red Sox 15, Mets 1
Game 3: Red Sox 5, Mets 2
Game 4: Red Sox 1, Mets 2
Game 5: Red Sox 0, Mets 1
Game 6: Red Sox 2, Mets 3
Game 7: Red Sox 3, Mets 4
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#18. To: Itistoolate (#13)
George W. Bush, during discussions about renewing the USA Patriot Act. ;) Who was it that said the "Constitution is just a GD piece of paper"?
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#19. To: GreyLmist (#16)
You can talk about theory of law and I will not disagree with your theory. However, the fact is, except in theory, we don't have a militia because there is no effective way to call it up. Certainly the president or governors will not because they prefer the military or national guard that they control completely. Should there ever be a revolution, it will be the citizens whether or not in theory they are called the militia. if you are an adult American male between the ages of 17 and 45, you are part of the militia, whether you knew it or not, whether or not you want to be, and whether or not you are armed.
#20. To: DWornock (#19) (Edited)
Should there ever be a revolution, it will be the citizens whether or not in theory they are called the militia. All 50 Governors opposed a 2007 Congressional move to expand Presidential power over their State's National Guard units without their consent and that was repealed in 2008. Presidents are not supposed to call up the National Guards of the States for Federal service anyway except during Congressionally sanctioned national emergencies or war/invasion here (not abroad) or to protect and defend the Constitution from insurrectionists (including those in governmental office) and to enforce Constitutional laws. Neither are the State Militias (nor the portions of them that serve dually as National Guards too) supposed to be stalemated by no call up orders from a rogue Governor. An American Revolution lesson about that would be the arrest, removal from office and imprisonment of Benjamin Franklin's son, William, by the New Jersey Militia on orders of the Provincial Congress because he was a loyalist to the enemy crown that had appointed him as the royal colonial Governor there. Edited 2nd and last sentence for clarity. the fact is, except in theory, we don't have a militia because there is no effective way to call it up. Certainly the president or governors will not because they prefer the military or national guard that they control completely.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#21. To: GreyLmist, DWornock, Hobbits are Nice People, X-15, purplerose, titorite, BTP Holdings (#20)
(2). The Constitution and its Amendments are not worthless. But surely those up on The Hill surely are. #1 above is the very, very, simple truth. #2 above is the veil (lie) obstructing the above truth. Many Americans will cling to their childhood memories and early indoctrination because they're incapable of growing up and seeing reality even when it brutally slaps them in the face. Like the abused spouse that refuses to leave the abuser because he/she once said "I love you" modern day adult Americans shy away from revolution by hiding behind an idea (Constitution) that's not even being taught to their children. If I were to compare the battered spouse to the Constitutionist I'd have to portray the constitutionist as near to death, bleeding profusely, and while handcuffed vehemently denying being abused. [I use the word Constitutionist because I usually take my daily constitutional (shit) and even though it reminds of the constitution being a GD piece of asswipe, I don't want to offend the true believers.](1). We are slaves to the all powerful bankers and very few realize it.
"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
#22. To: noone222 (#21)
After the next revolution people are still gonna want a foundation of law and government. If not the constitution , what would be better? the articles of confederation? Something else entirely?
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#23. To: titorite (#22)
A system affording 100% transparency and no privately owned central banking system. The reason the Constitution is of little value today is because our monetary system has usurped it through private commercial law. We use commercial paper today rather than honest money. The medium of exchange dictates the "choice of law." If we returned to honest money (not privately owned currency/credit) we could also return to common law and the Constitution.
"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
#24. To: noone222, all (#21)
There was a time that you had to take a test to become a citizen of the United States so you could know the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Not sure if they still do that. But, they want all of the illegal aliens here because they are using them, and their labor, as collateral on the debt. If you doubt this, then you need to visit www.escape-tickets-irs- court.org/by hiding behind an idea (Constitution) that's not even being taught to their children.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
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