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Title: Armageddon Battle Plan [Dead Sea War Scroll fragments - decades of war in the Middle East]
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YouTube, History Channel H2 and partial transcript
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VxTZQYQbJ4
Published: Oct 18, 2013
Author: EisenmanExpeditions
Post Date: 2014-10-13 05:41:26 by GreyLmist
Keywords: Armageddon, Battle Plan, Dead Sea War Scroll, Middle East
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2.25 minute YouTube: Robert Eisenman in The Nostradamus Effect, Season 1 Episode 11: Armageddon Battle Plan [History Channel H2 -- no trace of info on that 1 hour program was found at the website but it was recently aired on October 6. Original air date: 12/08/09] livedash.ark.com partial transcript of Nostradamus Effect - Armageddon Battle Plan The war scroll describes a future battle, an eschatological battle -- in other words, a battle that has to do with the end of days with kind of the final battle of good versus evil. Some believe it is a blueprint for armageddon, of a 21st-CENTURY WAR TO END ALL Wars. for some who believe in the prophecy, the ancient text predicts the exact spot where a third world war may erupt. Mesopotamia is just a general term used to describe that area east of jerusalem today. It would be all those countries in general that are east of israel. Assyria, of course, is iraq. And persia, of course, is modern-day iran. So as you can see, these are all involved in latter-days events, and that happens to be exactly what's going on in our world right now. Believers in prophecy suggest it's more than mere coincidence that the very lands mentioned in the war scroll -- mesopotamia, assyria, and persia -- are the same lands now engulfed in conflict. in a funny way, we can say that the motivation of the people who wrote the war scroll are very, very similar to the motivation of people today who are expecting a battle of armageddon in the middle east at any moment. And that can only be considered very, very dangerous because the belief systems we hold affects our behavior. And if we believe something to be true and if we believe something is going to happen, the chances are we might actually cause it to do so.We call this theoretical convergence between doomsday prophecies and today's events the nostradamus effect.
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2 Sonne of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog the chiefe prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophecie against him, 3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chiefe prince of Meshech and Tubal. 4 And I will turne thee backe, and put hookes into thy chawes, and I will bring thee foorth, and all thine armie, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, euen a great company with bucklers & shields, all of them handling swordes. 5 Persia, Ethiopia and Libya with them; all of them with shield & helmet: 6 Gomer and all his bandes, the house of Togarmah of the North quarters, and all his bands, and many people with thee. Gomer is Germany. Watch for Germany to join in the fun (as an opponent) ! 11 And thou shalt say: I will goe vp to the land of vnwalled villages; I will goe to them that are at rest, that dwell safely all of them dwelling without walles, and hauing neither barres nor gates; 12 To take a spoile, and to take a praye, to turne thine hand vpon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and vpon the people that are gathered out of the nations which haue gotten cattel and goods, that dwell in the middest of the land. Care to speculate ??? This prophecy cannot refer to modern Israel as a land of unwalled villages that's at rest ... one last thing, these people named enemies of Israel are sons of Japeth (Iaphet) which includes Ashkenaz - Ashkenazi "Jews" get their name from their ancestor Ashkenaz, a named enemy of Israel in prophecy. [2 The sonnes of Iaphet: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Iauan, & Tubal, and Meshech, & Tiras. 3 And the sonnes of Gomer: Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. So how can they be Israel and at the same time be the enemy of Israel ? Bible whores (Zionazis) like John Hagee know this if they actually read the Bible. "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
Dead Sea Scrolls were found in 1947 and immediately hauled to Israel.....so, they are just getting around to examining the content now? What's the rush?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Current ownership Most of the Dead Sea Scrolls collection is currently under the ownership of the Government of the state of Israel, and housed in the Shrine of the Book on the grounds of the Israel Museum. This ownership is contested by both Jordan and by the Palestinian Authority. A list of known ownership of Dead Sea Scroll fragments: Claimed Owner Year Acquired Number of Fragments/Scrolls Owned Azusa Pacific University[149] 2009 5 Oriental Institute at the University of Chicago[150] 1956 1 Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary[151] 2009; 2010; 2012 8 Rockefeller Museum – Government of Israel[152][153] 1967 > 15,000 The Schøyen Collection owned by Martin Schøyen[154] 1980; 1994; 1995 60 The Jordan Museum – Government of Jordan[155] 1947–1956 > 25 "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
Some content has been published for many years, including War Scroll fragments with fill-in-the-blank guesstimates at the numerous missing sections. Those uncertain guesstimations are troubling as well, considering that what's being patched together with them basically maps out 40 years of cataclysmic World War. I thought it odd when I couldn't find anything at the H2 site about this program that it had presented. While researching this, I read a comment to the effect that the near silence from Israel about the subject is remarkable, since it's presumed to be a Judaic Essene-sect document of such magnitude and implication for others. This spin from the partial transcript (linked above at livedash.ark.com) incongruously suggests that any politics involved ain't nobody's business but their own or some such nonsense like that -- unless it's expressing concern about Zio-idealogues like Hagee who might preachify politically to make it happen according to their construances: Edited for punctuation and last sentence to deactivate the link that didn't work right today for me. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Wasn't sure which version was being quoted by you there (ex. Ethiopia is sometimes called Cush and Libya as Put/Phut) but it looks to be from hundreds of years ago, so I'm linking to Ezekiel 38 - KJV - Online Bible Study so as to try and get on the same page. [Ezekiel 38:11-12] Care to speculate ??? This prophecy cannot refer to modern Israel as a land of unwalled villages that's at rest ... one last thing, these people named enemies of Israel are sons of Japeth (Iaphet) which includes Ashkenaz - Ashkenazi "Jews" get their name from their ancestor Ashkenaz, a named enemy of Israel in prophecy. [ Genesis 10 - KJVA - Online Bible Study?] So how can they be Israel and at the same time be the enemy of Israel ? Bible whores (Zionazis) like John Hagee know this if they actually read the Bible. First, I'd like to note that the Ezekiel 38 reference to "unwalled" villages is one of the few places that Strong's Concordance has no listing for a word but it's denoted elsewhere as "open country" and might be suggestive of bedouins. Wikipedia for Gomer says this: ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
1611 King James Bible "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_ Magog en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Hamon-Gog en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magog_(Bible) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenaz en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togarmah en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table _of_Nations [Sons of Noah] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koban_culture The most well-studied site was on the outskirts of Serzhen-Yurt (in modern Chechnya), which was a major center from around 11th century BCE to around the 7th century BCE.[1] Amjad Jaimoukha argues that while all these cultures probably were made by people included among the genetic ancestors of the Northern Caucasian Nakh (i.e. Chechens and Ingush), it was either the Koban or Kharachoi culture that was the first culture made by the cultural and linguistic ancestors of the Chechens (meaning the Chechens first arrived in their homeland 3000–4000 years ago). However, many others disagree, holding the Chechens to have lived in their present day lands for over 10000 years.[2][3] Jaimoukha postulates that the end of the Koban culture was brought about by Scythian invasions.[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakh_peoples [mentions the name Tamerlane that was reported concerning the alleged Boston Marathon Bombings] Edited for formatting and to replace the note I inserted about Scythians with this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or simply Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים, Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation: [ÌaƒkYÈnazim], singular: [ÌaƒkYÈnazi], Modern Hebrew: [aƒkenaÈzim, aƒkenaÈzi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנַז Y'hudey Ashkenaz, lit. "The Jews of Germany"), are a Jewish ethnic division which coalesced in the Holy Roman Empire around the turn of the first millennium.[12] The traditional language of Ashkenazi Jews consisted of various dialects of Yiddish. Medieval rabbinic Ashkenaz In rabbinic literature, the kingdom of Ashkenaz was first associated with the Scythian region, then later with the Slavic territories,[1] and, from the 11th century onwards, with northern Europe and Germany.[2] The region of Ashkenaz was centred on the Rhineland and the Palatinate (notably Worms and Speyer), in what is now the westernmost part of Germany. Its geographic extent did not coincide with the German Christian principalities of the time, and it included northern France. In rabbinic literature from the 11th century, Ashkenaz was considered the ruler of a kingdom in the North and of the Northern and Germanic people.[cita "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
1611 King James Bible I don't have one of those handy at the moment so will try to make do with the above linked KJVs online. :) ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians Just want to copy that link on Scythians here for more study later because it mentions the Caucasus region (places such as Iran, Ukraine and Russia) and also the Serbs (ref. WWI origins). ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Some, like Gene Scott (RIP), have spoken of the Scythians as members of the 10 northern tribes of Israel that were captured by the Assyrians and wound up being horseback riding archers in the Assyrian Army. Scott mentioned that the same "bits" they used for their horses have been found in Ireland. There's some history we're being deprived of for who knows what reason. If you read about the Stone of Scone or stone of destiny that has recently been "returned" to Scotland after having sat under the coronation throne of Great Britain after it was captured from Scotland in 1296. Tradition and history Replica of the Stone of Scone at Scone Palace Origin and legends In the 14th century, the English cleric and historian Walter Hemingford described the location of the Scottish coronation stone as the monastery of Scone, a few miles north of Perth: Apud Monasterium de Scone positus est lapis pergrandis in ecclesia Dei, juxta manum altare, concavus quidem ad modum rotundae cathedreaie confectus, in quo futuri reges loco quasi coronationis ponebantur ex more. In the monastery of Scone, in the church of God, near to the high altar, is kept a large stone, hollowed out as a round chair, on which their kings were placed for their ordination, according to custom. Various theories and legends exist about the Stone's history prior to its placement in Scone: One story concerns Fergus, son of Erc, the first King of the Scots in Scotland, whose transportation of the Stone from Ireland to Argyll, where he was crowned in it, was recorded.[2] Legends describe a transportation of the Stone from Ireland, as well as a connection to the stone Lia Fáil, the coronation stone of the kings of Tara. The Scottish Gaelic, clach-na-cinneamhain, clach Sgàin, and Lia(th) Fàil[1] provides strong etymological support for the Lia Fáil connection.[3] Legends place the origins of the Stone in Biblical times and consider the Stone to be the Stone of Jacob, taken by Jacob while in Haran.[4] (Genesis 28:10-22).[5] According to Hector Boece, the stone was first kept in the lost city of Evonium, in the west of Scotland.[citation needed] Geologists proved that the Stone taken by Edward I of England to Westminster[6] is a "lower Old Red Sandstone", which is quarried in the vicinity of Scone.[7] Although, doubts over the authenticity of the Stone that is presently stored have existed for a long time—a blog post by retired Scottish academic and writer of historical fiction Marie MacPherson shows that they date back at least two hundred years.[8] A letter to the editor of the Morning Chronicle, dated 2 January 1819, states: On the 19th of November, as the servants belonging to the West Mains of Dunsinane-house, were employed in carrying away stones from the excavation made among the ruins that point out the site of Macbeth's castle here, part of the ground they stood on suddenly gave way, and sank down about six feet, discovering a regularly built vault, about six feet long and four wide. None of the men being injured, curiosity induced them to clear out the subterranean recess, when they discovered among the ruins a large stone, weighing about 500l [230 kg]. which is pronounced to be of the meteoric or semi-metallic kind. This stone must have lain here during the long series of ages since Macbeth's reign. Besides it were also found two round tablets, of a composition resembling bronze. On one of these two lines are engraved, which a gentleman has thus deciphered.— 'The sconce (or shadow) of kingdom come, until Sylphs in air carry me again to Bethel.' These plates exhibit the figures of targets for the arms. From time immemorial it has been believed among us here, that unseen hands brought Jacob's pillow from Bethel and dropped it on the site where the palace of Scoon now stands. A strong belief is also entertained by many in this part of the country that it was only a representation of this Jacob's pillow that Edward sent to Westminster, the sacred stone not having been found by him. The curious here, aware of such traditions, and who have viewed these venerable remains of antiquity, agree that Macbeth may, or rather must, have deposited the stone in question at the bottom of his Castle, on the hill of Dunsinane (from the trouble of the times), where it has been found by the workmen. This curious stone has been shipped for London for the inspection of the scientific amateur, in order to discover its real quality.[1] Westminster Abbey The Stone of Scone in the Coronation Chair at Westminster Abbey, 1855. In 1296 the Stone was captured by Edward I as spoils of war and taken to Westminster Abbey, where it was fitted into a wooden chair—known as King Edward's Chair—on which most subsequent English sovereigns have been crowned. Edward I sought to claim his status as the "Lord Paramount" of Scotland, with the right to oversee its King.[9] Some doubt exists over the stone captured by Edward I. The Westminster Stone theory posits that the monks at Scone Palace hid the real stone in the River Tay, or buried it on Dunsinane Hill, and that the English troops were tricked into taking a substitute. Some proponents of the theory claim that historic descriptions of the Stone do not match the present stone.[4] In The Treaty of Northampton 1328, between the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England, England agreed to return the captured Stone to Scotland; however, riotous crowds prevented it from being removed from Westminster Abbey.[10] The Stone remained in England for another six centuries, even after James VI of Scotland assumed the English throne as James I of England. For the next century, the Stuart Kings and Queens of Scotland once again sat on the stone, but at their coronation as Kings and Queens of England.[citation needed] Removal and damage Main article: Removal of the Stone of Scone in 1950 On Christmas Day 1950, a group of four Scottish students (Ian Hamilton, Gavin Vernon, Kay Matheson, and Alan Stuart) removed the Stone from Westminster Abbey for return to Scotland.[11] During the removal process, the Stone broke into two pieces.[12][13] After burying the greater part of the Stone in a Kent field, where they camped[14] for a few days, they uncovered the buried stone and returned to Scotland, along with a new accomplice, John Josselyn. Although an Englishman, Josselyn, who was then a student at the University of Glasgow, was a Scottish Nationalist. Furthermore, Edward I was Josselyn's 21st great grandfather.[15] The smaller piece was similarly brought north at a later time. The entire Stone was passed to a senior Glasgow politician, who arranged for it to be professionally repaired by Glasgow stonemason Robert Gray.[citation needed] A major search for the stone was ordered by the British Government, but proved unsuccessful. The custodians left the Stone on the altar of Arbroath Abbey on 11 April 1951, in the safekeeping of the Church of Scotland. Once the London police were informed of its whereabouts, the Stone was returned to Westminster four months after it was removed. Afterward, rumours circulated that copies had been made of the Stone, and that the returned Stone was not in fact the original.[16][17] Return to Scotland In 1996,[17] in a symbolic response to growing dissatisfaction among Scots at the prevailing constitutional settlement, the British Conservative Government decided that the Stone should be kept in Scotland when not in use at coronations. On 3 July 1996, it was announced in the House of Commons that the Stone would be returned to Scotland, and on 15 November 1996, after a handover ceremony at the border between representatives of the Home Office and of the Scottish Office, it was transported to Edinburgh Castle. The Stone arrived in the Castle on 30 November 1996 and it remains alongside the crown jewels of Scotland (the Honours of Scotland) in the Crown Room. The handover occurred on St Andrew's Day, a day in honour of the patron Saint of Scotland, and Prince Andrew, Duke of York was the Queen's representative.[citation needed] It is said that this stone was secreted away in Canada during WW II. Another interesting factoid is that if you watch a video of Queen Elizabeth's coronation and read that of Solomon in the Bible - they are near identical ceremonies. "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
I used to watch the show.
When government gains the power to control the use of private property, it becomes possible for the politically dominant to profit by high commodity prices using government regulation to constrain supply. One merely drives competitors out of business by manipulating the perception of risk to a land use preferred by a democratic majority. - Mark Edward Vande Pol
Nostradamus Effect - Armageddon Battle Plan [Full Episode] [Video] I couldn't post the video here or watch it at the disclose.tv site on my computer but that's the path for the Dead Sea War Scroll program there if anyone wants to look it up. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I think I saw that one though at this point I don't remember.
When government gains the power to control the use of private property, it becomes possible for the politically dominant to profit by high commodity prices using government regulation to constrain supply. One merely drives competitors out of business by manipulating the perception of risk to a land use preferred by a democratic majority. - Mark Edward Vande Pol
You: Some, like Gene Scott (RIP), have spoken of the Scythians as members of the 10 northern tribes of Israel that were captured by the Assyrians and wound up being horseback riding archers in the Assyrian Army. Scott mentioned that the same "bits" they used for their horses have been found in Ireland. There's some history we're being deprived of for who knows what reason. Additional info there: also known as the Stone of Destiny, and often referred to in England as The Coronation Stone—[it] is an oblong block of red sandstone that was used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland, and later the monarchs of England and the Kingdom of Great Britain. Historically, the artefact was kept at the now-ruined Scone Abbey [Pic of the Middle Ages Scone Abbey Seal] in Scone, near Perth, Scotland [similar refs. for Scone, Perthshire and Scone, Scotland]. It is also known as Jacob's Pillow Stone and the Tanist Stone, and in Scottish Gaelic, clach-na-cinneamhain. Its size is about 26 inches (660 mm) by 16.75 inches (425 mm) by 10.5 inches (270 mm) and its weight is approximately 336 pounds (152 kg). A roughly incised cross exists on one surface, and an iron ring at each end aids with transportation.[1] The Stone of Scone was last used in 1953 for the coronation of Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.] You: It is said that this stone was secreted away in Canada during WW II. Another interesting factoid is that if you watch a video of Queen Elizabeth's coronation and read that of Solomon in the Bible - they are near identical ceremonies. Thanks so much for posting about that epic, "An Lia Fàil" topic and so on. :) I'd like to hear more about the Stone being in Canada during WWII. It's news to me and I did quite a bit of research after reading your post because the movie "Braveheart" was on yesterday and I thought you might be interested in some of the historical context concerning that era and the region in correspondence with the Stone of Scone/Destiny. I agree that we've been deprived of some history for who knows what reason and much history on that which, even super-condensed into basic excerpts, would probably take several more posts to present adequately enough. While I was studying it, I came across an intriguing factoid about spurs and Robert the Bruce that reminds me of your comment about horsebits. Also, the Battle of the Golden Spurs over in France's territory during his lifetime that I don't think Wallace was involved in but likewise reminds me of the horsebits. It mentions that the French were being killed if they had a problem pronouncing a particular Flemish phrase -- described as a shibboleth, which is a word that is also described similarly in the biblical Book of Judges around Gideon, iirc without doing further research to be more exact. Will post more from the various sources as I can get back around to it. For now, am posting this additional link for Scone Palace, along with these two short YouTubes about it and the Stone of Scone/Destiny: Scone Palace, Perth, Scotland - 2.5 minutes From the Description section: The gardens of Scone feature Moot Hill, the mound was said to have been created by pilgrims each carrying a bootful of soil to the site in a gesture of fealty to the king. A replica of the Stone of Scone sits on Moot Hill, where coronations occurred. Pipe Band Stone Of Destiny Scone Palace Perth Perthshire Scotland - 2.25 minutes From the Description section: Tour Scotland video of Perth and District Pipe Band playing on Moot Hill beside the replica of the Stone of Destiny on visit to Scone Palace, Perth, Perthshire. Edited for formatting and correction at the paragraph about the spurs factoid. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Gene Scott's wife took his archives down after he passed away. He spoke on a multitude of topics and his fans/followers were continuously sending him books to read and then speak about. I don't recall if it was him (Scott) or whether I read somewhere else that the original stone of scone had 12 gems that represented the 12 tribes embedded in it. "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
I don't recall if it was him (Scott) or whether I read somewhere else that the original stone of scone had 12 gems that represented the 12 tribes embedded in it. Sometimes websites are taken down at the Internet Archive: Wayback Machine too but, if you can find a link path to an article of his, try copying it at the BROWSE HISTORY search box there. Might still be copies stored in those archives that could be accessed by clicking on the highlighted calendar dates, which are displayed per year for what's available. I haven't heard about the Stone of Scone block having any gems. The Middle Ages Scone Abbey Seal linked at #15 above depicts a kingly figure that could be seated there but it doesn't look to have gems on the side- edges pictured. The Stone-replica depictions elsewhere, though, do appear spotty like maybe the original did have some of those on it in places at some time, I don't know. The Honours of Scotland Wikipedia site says this about Scottish royal treasures that date back about 500 years ago (and perhaps much older than that) but doesn't mention the Stone as ever being jeweled: There are three primary elements of the Honours of Scotland: the Crown, the Sceptre, and the Sword of State. The Crown of Scotland in its present form dates from 1540 when James V ordered the Edinburgh goldsmith John Mosman to refashion the original crown. James wore it to his consort's coronation in the same year at the abbey church of Holyrood. The circlet at the base is made from Scottish gold and is encrusted with 22 gemstones and 20 precious stones taken from the former crown. Freshwater pearls from Scotland's rivers were also used. The crown weighs 3 lb 10 oz (1644 g). The crown was remodelled in 1540 for James V when the velvet and ermine bonnet were added to bring it to its present form. It is not known exactly when the crown was originally made, but it can be seen in its pre-1540 form in the famous portrait of James IV of Scotland in the Book of Hours that was created for his marriage to Margaret Tudor in 1503. The Sceptre of Scotland was a gift from Pope Alexander VI to King James IV in 1494, The Sword of State of Scotland was also a papal gift; Pope Julius II presented it to James IV in 1507 When the Stone of Scone was returned to Scotland in 1996, it also was placed in the Crown Room, alongside the Honours. This Wikipedia link interestingly mentions Dr. Gene Scott: Talk:Stone of Destiny There is a biblical connection with the known history of the stone and Ezekiel 21:27 where the stone is overthrown three times - Judah to Ireland, Ireland to Scotland, Scotland to England. Although, in 2004 the stone was moved to Scotland, Scotland did not need to physically seize the stone. I hadn't heard about most of that before either but this link at johnpratt.com, British Throne of David, has some paragraphs posted below that sound similar to the biblical and modern-day coronation similarities you noted at the end of #11 (and more, as well; Edit to add example: mentions fewer British crown gems than the Honours of Scotland info does above): "Another interesting factoid is that if you watch a video of Queen Elizabeth's coronation and read that of Solomon in the Bible - they are near identical ceremonies." It is interesting to note, however, that although the stone is not explicitly mentioned as part of the Biblical coronation ceremony, there seem to be references to it which have been overlooked. Consider the following accounts of when King Joash of Judah was anointed by the high priest Jehoiada: And when she looked, behold, the king stood by a pillar, as the manner was, and the princes and the trumpeters by the king, and all the people of the land rejoiced, and blew with trumpets (2 Kings 11:14) Then they brought out the king's son, and put upon him the crown, and gave him the testimony, and made him king. And Jehoiada and his sons anointed him, and said, God save the king. Now when Athaliah heard the noise of the people running and praising the king, she came to the people into the house of the LORD: And she looked, and, behold, the king stood at his pillar at the entering in, and the princes and the trumpets by the king: and all the people of the land rejoiced, and sounded with trumpets, also the singers with instruments of musick, and such as taught to sing praise. (2 Chronicles 23:11-13) He were are told that along with the usual parts of the coronation ceremony, that also the king stood at his pillar, as was the custom at coronation. What does that mean? Some Bible translations are more literal and render it, "The king stood on the pillar." [15] How can one stand on a pillar? It turns out the word translated pillar come from the root meaning "to stand" and can also refer to a "stand" or "platform." The meaning of pillar come from the idea that a pillar is standing up on its end. So the verses could also be saying that the king was coronated while standing on his stand, as was the custom. Was that stand or pillar the Stone of Destiny? If so, just what is it that makes this stone so special? It was called the Stone of Jacob. Stone of Jacob...Jacob's Pillow/Pillar...I had to chuckle thinking about someone with a Southern accent speaking of his Pillow stone and they'd still be right if it sounded like they were saying "Pillar" instead. lol No offense intended to those with Southerly accents. I believe it's ok if I think that's humorous, as almost every Southern TV newscaster/weatherperson I heard while there sounded more like a Northern Yankee than me anyway. P.S. Edited #15 to make a correction from William Wallace to Robert the Bruce regarding the spurs paragraph. Even though the factoid I thought was intriguing about those is sort of out of place here, it is just a few sentences so am posting it now for more clarity about that editing: Not much there to do with Ireland, though (such as you were talking about at #11 concerning Gene Scott re: the Scythian horse gear) except that Robert the Bruce had a younger brother, Edward, who became a High King of Ireland for a few years. Also, am not sure but I could have been wrong, too, at #15 when I doubted there that William Wallace was involved in the [11 July 1302] French and Flemish Battle of the Golden Spurs. It says at the Wikipedia link for William Wallace that he was thought to be in France at that time: By 1304 Wallace was back in Scotland, and involved in skirmishes This post edited for spelling and parenthesis insert about the British crown. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Some 25 years ago or so I studied the Bible with a small group led by a man that had been a pastor in several denominational churches and even a chaplain in the military. At the time I was attending these meetings the stone was resting under the coronation throne in England. He told us that before the return of Christ it would be returned to Scotland. (He was correct). (Gene Scott was of the common belief that the stone would remain in England and I even sent him a letter wherein I told him of my former pastor's statement about the stone being returned to Scotland prior to the return of Christ). There is legend that claims Jeremiah left the middle east with the "daughters" of Zedekiah (as his sons were murdered and he was blinded). One daughter was dropped off in Spain and the other traveled on to Ireland and wound up marrying the king there. (These daughters were the heirs to the throne as Zedekiah was the last king of Judah). It is said that Jeremiah brought the stone to Ireland. Many discount the notion that the tribes migrated into Europe always moving west. I don't claim to know but I wouldn't discount it even if the legends and lore aren't precise or accurate in every detail. Whatever the case there are many prophecies that can be understood by allowing some legend into the thought processes. asis.com/users/stag/jerrytea.html Something often overlooked is that there were 12 tribes and 10 have gone missing. Those claiming to be the remnant are imposters that also claim to be "the chosen." The fact is that these imposters haven't fulfilled even one of the prophecies made to Abraham. It is becoming more clear that the ancient Hebrews were sailors (as was Noah) and traveled the world. I believe we'll be surprised when it is discovered what actually occurred in history, and where the 10 "lost" tribes have been hiding in plain sight ! "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
Genesis 49:10 [Full Chapter] The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
Am not only posting this link and the annotated excerpts as a background introduction of historical context regarding prior and potential commentaries here on the particular region(s) of a particular era in World History but for another example of some history we've been deprived of for who knows what reason, as mentioned previously in discussions above. [...] the French Princess [Isabella, daughter of King Philip IV/the Fair of France] was only 7 or 8 years old at the time [and not the Princess of Wales then]. [Incidently], the French Princess was not sweet and kindly, nicknamed the She Wolf of France, she was quite vicious [...] and launched her own invasion of Scotland with her son Edward III. [Coincidentally: the first wife of Robert the Bruce was also named Isabella. His younger brother, Edward, who became a High King of Ireland for a while, similarly might or might not have had a wife named Isabel/Isabelle. c. 1280 – 14 October 1318) [...] supported his brother in the struggle for the Scottish crown, then pursued his own claim in Ireland. He was proclaimed High King of Ireland, but was eventually defeated and killed in battle] In addition to the opening topic being about World scale war and also the noted apparent scrubbing of televised info about it, I think it's more than odd, too (especially since this is a Centennial year of the first World War), that a program-series titled Apocalypse: World War One/WWI is so scarce online and one episode particularly seems more sequestered than some of the others, which has perspectives on the Middle East theatre of war then and Palestine issues like British Lawerence of Arabia's machinations of betrayal and manipulations. There are a few video samplings available where the surprisingly modernesque footage - - (i.e. not much that is speeded up with jerky motions of people and machinery, such as one might except comparatively with that time period's usual quality-level technologically in Hollywood silent-films) -- can be seen at Youtube, for instance, if unable to view any of it on TV. I did see some of it televised recently and, iirc, the episode regarding the Middle East was titled "Rage". I haven't found even a text description on the web about any of that and this short video about Passchendaele (from the "Deliverance" episode?, which shows Jesus on the Cross at 1:07 and reminds me somewhat of scenes in the Lee Marvin movie, "The Big Red One") is in French without even English subtitles: This pic from the TVO website advertising the series last Summer has the titles of the episodes listed there at the bottom of it: Fury*Fear*Hell*Rage*Deliverance So, am recommending all 5 of those 1-hour programs for viewing, if possible, with emphasis on the Middle East installment that I think is the one called "Rage". Read somewhere that the series might be scheduled for the public's access again [Edit to add: perhaps on the Smithsonian Channel or NatGeo?] near the end of this month and/or the 1st half of November. [Edit to add that the "sequel", "Apocalypse: The Second World War"/WWII, is not so strangely secretive and difficult to find and it's not even a Centennial year for that.] Various edits for formatting, readability and clarification details + to include these two links for posts with already cited references on Scotland's history that can be searched: #15 and #17 Also to include these Wikipedia links that weren't posted yet: Philip IV of France/Phiip the Fair: [reportedly] annihilated the order of the Knights Templar, etc. John de Menteith: He was born to Mary, Countess of Menteith and her husband Walter "Bailloch" Stewart, Earl of Menteith jure uxoris. He and his older brother, Alexander, Earl of Menteith, replaced their paternal Stewart surname in favour of Menteith, which earned him the nickname Fause (False) Menteith. [...] Tradition has it that Menteith betrayed Sir William Wallace to English soldiers, which led to Wallace's capture and torturous execution and his later nickname Fause Menteith ("Menteith the treacherous"). John III Comyn, Lord of Badenoch: also known simply as the Red Comyn [...] The Wars of Scottish Independence [...] began in a clash between the Bruces and Comyns. [...] His mother was Eleanor Balliol, eldest daughter of John I de Balliol, father of King John Balliol. The Red Comyn might thus be said to have combined two lines of royal descent, Gaelic and Norman. He had, moreover, links with the royal house of England: in the early 1290s he married Joan de Valence, daughter of William de Valence, 1st Earl of Pembroke, an uncle of Edward I. Earl of Menteith: The Stuart-Menteth Baronetcy, of Closeburn in the County of Dumfries and Mansfield in the County of Ayr, is a title in the Baronetage of the United Kingdom. It was created on 11 August 1838 for Charles Stuart-Menteth. The Stuart-Menteth family traces its descent from Walter Comyn (third son of Walter Comyn, Justiciar of Scotia), who in 1258 married Isabella, Countess of Menteith (or Menteth).} ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Brave Heart FULL MOVIE http://megashare.info/watch-braveheart-online-TmpFMk1nPT0
Thank you for posting that movie for us, Itis. :) I hope you won't mind my asking but would you be able to downsize the screen's width a bit through the edit option while that's still open for adjustments? The text is running to the right of the post boxes now on my PC and, although I don't much have to scroll right to read, as it is -- if I change the zoom setting for my screen display, I'm thinking other readers might not be able to do that or might not want to tax their vision to read smaller print. TIA, if so.
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Coolness :) Thanks much. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
Thanks for those biblical geneology links. Will probably be back later this evening to study those and discuss your other recent posts.
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I had you on BOZO ... but seein hows you put my all time favorite movie up ... maybe ya ain't gotta be on BOZO ... Thanks !
"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
The Declaration of Arbroath 1320 — English Translation To the most Holy Father and Lord in Christ, the Lord John, by divine providence Supreme Pontiff of the Holy Roman and Universal Church, his humble and devout sons Duncan, Earl of Fife, Thomas Randolph, Earl of Moray, Lord of Man and of Annandale, Patrick Dunbar, Earl of March, Malise, Earl of Strathearn, Malcolm, Earl of Lennox, William, Earl of Ross, Magnus, Earl of Caithness and Orkney, and William, Earl of Sutherland; Walter, Steward of Scotland, William Soules, Butler of Scotland, James, Lord of Douglas, Roger Mowbray, David, Lord of Brechin, David Graham, Ingram Umfraville, John Menteith, guardian of the earldom of Menteith, Alexander Fraser, Gilbert Hay, Constable of Scotland, Robert Keith, Marischal of Scotland, Henry St Clair, John Graham, David Lindsay, William Oliphant, Patrick Graham, John Fenton, William Abernethy, David Wemyss, William Mushet, Fergus of Ardrossan, Eustace Maxwell, William Ramsay, William Mowat, Alan Murray, Donald Campbell, John Cameron, Reginald Cheyne, Alexander Seton, Andrew Leslie, and Alexander Straiton, and the other barons and freeholders and the whole community of the realm of Scotland send all manner of filial reverence, with devout kisses of his blessed feet. Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today. The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since. In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken a single foreigner. The high qualities and deserts of these people, were they not otherwise manifest, gain glory enough from this: that the King of kings and Lord of lords, our Lord Jesus Christ, after His Passion and Resurrection, called them, even though settled in the uttermost parts of the earth, almost the first to His most holy faith. Nor would He have them confirmed in that faith by merely anyone but by the first of His Apostles — by calling, though second or third in rank — the most gentle Saint Andrew, the Blessed Peter's brother, and desired him to keep them under his protection as their patron forever. The Most Holy Fathers your predecessors gave careful heed to these things and bestowed many favours and numerous privileges on this same kingdom and people, as being the special charge of the Blessed Peter's brother. Thus our nation under their protection did indeed live in freedom and peace up to the time when that mighty prince the King of the English, Edward, the father of the one who reigns today, when our kingdom had no head and our people harboured no malice or treachery and were then unused to wars or invasions, came in the guise of a friend and ally to harass them as an enemy. The deeds of cruelty, massacre, violence, pillage, arson, imprisoning prelates, burning down monasteries, robbing and killing monks and nuns, and yet other outrages without number which he committed against our people, sparing neither age nor sex, religion nor rank, no one could describe nor fully imagine unless he had seen them with his own eyes. But from these countless evils we have been set free, by the help of Him Who though He afflicts yet heals and restores, by our most tireless Prince, King and Lord, the Lord Robert. He, that his people and his heritage might be delivered out of the hands of our enemies, met toil and fatigue, hunger and peril, like another Macabaeus or Joshua and bore them cheerfully. Him, too, divine providence, his right of succession according to or laws and customs which we shall maintain to the death, and the due consent and assent of us all have made our Prince and King. To him, as to the man by whom salvation has been wrought unto our people, we are bound both by law and by his merits that our freedom may be still maintained, and by him, come what may, we mean to stand. Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom — for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself. Therefore it is, Reverend Father and Lord, that we beseech your Holiness with our most earnest prayers and suppliant hearts, inasmuch as you will in your sincerity and goodness consider all this, that, since with Him Whose vice-gerent on earth you are there is neither weighing nor distinction of Jew and Greek, Scotsman or Englishman, you will look with the eyes of a father on the troubles and privation brought by the English upon us and upon the Church of God. May it please you to admonish and exhort the King of the English, who ought to be satisfied with what belongs to him since England used once to be enough for seven kings or more, to leave us Scots in peace, who live in this poor little Scotland, beyond which there is no dwelling-place at all, and covet nothing but our own. We are sincerely willing to do anything for him, having regard to our condition, that we can, to win peace for ourselves. This truly concerns you, Holy Father, since you see the savagery of the heathen raging against the Christians, as the sins of Christians have indeed deserved, and the frontiers of Christendom being pressed inward every day; and how much it will tarnish your Holiness's memory if (which God forbid) the Church suffers eclipse or scandal in any branch of it during your time, you must perceive. Then rouse the Christian princes who for false reasons pretend that they cannot go to help of the Holy Land because of wars they have on hand with their neighbours. The real reason that prevents them is that in making war on their smaller neighbours they find quicker profit and weaker resistance. But how cheerfully our Lord the King and we too would go there if the King of the English would leave us in peace, He from Whom nothing is hidden well knows; and we profess and declare it to you as the Vicar of Christ and to all Christendom. But if your Holiness puts too much faith in the tales the English tell and will not give sincere belief to all this, nor refrain from favouring them to our prejudice, then the slaughter of bodies, the perdition of souls, and all the other misfortunes that will follow, inflicted by them on us and by us on them, will, we believe, be surely laid by the Most High to your charge. To conclude, we are and shall ever be, as far as duty calls us, ready to do your will in all things, as obedient sons to you as His Vicar; and to Him as the Supreme King and Judge we commit the maintenance of our cause, casting our cares upon Him and firmly trusting that He will inspire us with courage and bring our enemies to nought. May the Most High preserve you to his Holy Church in holiness and health and grant you length of days. Given at the monastery of Arbroath in Scotland on the sixth day of the month of April in the year of grace thirteen hundred and twenty and the fifteenth year of the reign of our King aforesaid. Endorsed: Letter directed to our Lord the Supreme Pontiff by the community of Scotland. "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
Scone Palace: In the Middle Ages the land was the site of a major Augustinian abbey, Scone Abbey, nothing of which now remains above ground level except detached architectural fragments. This was the crowning-place of the Kings of the Scots (on the Stone of Destiny) down to Alexander III. The place of coronation was called Caislean Credi, 'Hill of Credulity', which survives as the present Moot Hill. Edward I of England carried off the Stone of Scone to Westminster Abbey in 1296 Alexander III: became king at the age of seven, inaugurated at Scone on 13 July 1249. The years of his minority featured an embittered struggle for the control of affairs between two rival parties, the one led by Walter Comyn, Earl of Menteith, the other by Alan Durward, Justiciar of Scotia. [He reigned until March 1286 when William Wallace was about 16 years old]. Alexander, Earl of Menteith: was the eldest son and heir of Walter Bailloch Stewart and Mary I, Countess of Menteith [...]. The first mention of him in records is with his brother John de Menteith in a compact dated on 20 September 1286, at Turnberry, Carrick, between Bruce and the Stewarts. In another writ, of uncertain date, granted by their father to Kilwinning Abbey, he and his brother are styled Alexander and John de Menteith. [...] Prior to succeeding his father, Alexander was at Norham in 1291, and was among those who swore fealty to Edward I. Alexander was with his father at the Battle of Dunbar on 27 April 1296, and fled to Dunbar Castle where he and others were taken prisoner and committed to the Tower. His detention was not long, however, and he was liberated after promising to serve the English King, meeting with him at Elgin 27 July 1296. He repeated this promise, and swore fealty at Berwick a month later, on 28 August William Wallace: c. 1270 – 23 August 1305 [...] When Wallace was growing up, King Alexander III ruled Scotland. His reign had seen a period of peace and economic stability. On 19 March 1286, however, Alexander died after falling from his horse. [...] The lack of a clear heir led to a period known as the "Great Cause", with several families laying claim to the throne. With Scotland threatening to descend into civil war, King Edward I of England was invited in by the Scottish nobility to arbitrate. Before the process could begin, he insisted that all of the contenders recognise him as Lord Paramount of Scotland. In early November 1292, at a great feudal court held in the castle at Berwick-upon-Tweed, judgement was given in favour of John Balliol having the strongest claim in law. John renounced his homage [to the King of England] in March 1296 and by the end of the month Edward stormed Berwick-upon-Tweed, sacking the then-Scottish border town. [After the decisive victory for the Scots years later at the June 23-24 Battle of Bannockburn in 1314, Robert the Bruce had undisputed military control of Scotland except for the Royal Burgh of Berwick-upon-Tweed. Edit to add: That final English stronghold was captured by the Scots in 1318.] In April [1296], the Scots were defeated at the Battle of Dunbar in East Lothian and by July, Edward had forced John to abdicate. Stone of Scone: In 1296 the Stone was captured by Edward I as spoils of war and taken to Westminster Abbey John III Comyn, Lord of Badenoch: was Guardian of Scotland during the Second Interregnum 1296–1306. [In February 1304, Comyn conditionally surrendered to England's King Edward I/Longshanks who] accepted, with notable exceptions. Edward maintained his particular hatred for one former Guardian. Comyn was thus obliged to adhere to a condition in which he and other named individuals were to "capture Sir William Wallace and hand him over to the king, who will watch to see how each of them conducts himself so that he can do most favour to whoever shall capture Wallace..." Action at Lanark: May 1297. [...] According to [poetic legend, William] Wallace was seeking revenge for the killing by Heselrig of his wife, Marion Braidfute of Lamington. However, there is little evidence for her existence. [...] Fictionalised versions of this incident have appeared in various accounts of the Wallace's life, notably in the 1995 film Braveheart, where his wife was called Murron MacClannough. Wallace then continued with his rebellion, which culminated in his victory at the Battle of Stirling Bridge four months later. Raid of Scone: After the Action at Lanark, William Wallace joined forces with William Douglas the Hardy and led a raid on the city of Scone. He and his men forced William Ormesby, the justiciar to flee, and took control. William Wallace: The first act definitely known to have been carried out by Wallace was his assassination of William de Heselrig, the English High Sheriff of Lanark, in May 1297. He then joined with William the Hardy, Lord of Douglas, and they carried out the raid of Scone. On 11 September 1297, an army jointly led by Wallace and Andrew Moray won the Battle of Stirling Bridge. Although vastly outnumbered, the Scottish army routed the English army. After the battle, Moray and Wallace assumed the title of Guardians of the Kingdom of Scotland on behalf of King John Balliol. Around November 1297, Wallace led a large-scale raid into northern England, through Northumberland and Cumberland. In a ceremony in Selkirk Abbey towards the end of the year, Wallace was knighted. In April 1298, Edward ordered a second invasion of Scotland [...] but failed to bring William Wallace to combat In July, while planning a return to Edinburgh for supplies, Edward received intelligence that the Scots were encamped nearby at Falkirk, and he moved quickly to engage them in the pitched battle he had long hoped for. The Scots lost many men, including John de Graham. Wallace escaped, though his military reputation suffered badly. By September 1298, Wallace resigned as Guardian of Scotland in favour of Robert the Bruce, Earl of Carrick and future king, and [astonishingly, the Falkirk Deserter] John III Comyn, Lord of Badenoch, King John Balliol's nephew [and also a relative of "Longshanks"/King Edward I of England. Comyn's prestige increased when he and Sir Simon Fraser defeated an English force at the Battle of Roslin in February 1303. Edit: Comyn was reportedly later killed by Robert the Bruce in February 1306 but that is sometimes disputed.] Details of Wallace's activities after this are vague, but there is some evidence that he left on a mission to the court of King Philip IV of France to plead the case for assistance in the Scottish struggle for independence. Wallace evaded capture by the English until 5 August 1305 when [the Stewart/Comyner] John de Menteith, a Scottish knight loyal to Edward, turned Wallace over to English soldiers at Robroyston near Glasgow. Wallace was transported to London, lodged in the house of William de Leyrer, then taken to Westminster Hall He was crowned with a garland of oak to suggest he was the king of outlaws. He responded to the treason charge, "I could not be a traitor to Edward, for I was never his subject." [His head] was placed on a pike atop London Bridge. It was later joined by the heads of the brothers, John and Simon Fraser. His limbs were displayed, separately, in Newcastle upon Tyne, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Stirling, and Perth [Scone]. Newcastle upon Tyne: The Scots king William the Lion was imprisoned in Newcastle in 1174, and Edward I brought the Stone of Scone and William Wallace south through the town. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Post #11: According to Hector Boece, the stone was first kept in the lost city of Evonium, in the west of Scotland.[citation needed] Stone of Destiny 'from Ayrshire, not Perthshire' Published 17/12/2010 14:17 The Stone of Destiny, now in Edinburgh Castle, is rumoured to have been kept in the ancient Scottish city of Evonium And now, new evidence has emerged that the lost Scottish city of Evonium, rumoured for centuries to be the Argyll village of Dunstaffnage, may actually have been the less picturesque modern-day town of Irvine. Scots historian AJ Morton has uncovered research suggesting Evonium, described by one chronicler from the Middle Ages as a place where 40 kings were crowned and reigned, and believed by some to be the country's ancient capital, was sited in the North Ayrshire town. Dunstaffnage, near Oban, was thought to have been the site of the city because of its proximity to the important religious island of Iona. But it is the existence of Evonium, a "lost city" that was first suggested in the 15th century by the Scottish historian and philosopher Hector Boece, the first principal of King's College in Aberdeen, that is most intruiging. Morton, a specialist in west coast religious history, claims Irvine was an important administrative centre in the Middle Ages and that many of the country's ancient rulers came from or lived in the area. John Balliol, the Royal Lord of Cunninghame and the last Scottish king to be crowned on the Stone before it was seized and taken to England in 1296, was a hereditary overlord of the town. Morton has concluded that Evonium would have been more likely to be in Ayrshire, closer to the Irish coast, rather than in a remote part of Argyll, suggesting that the town's name, and the fact that it was once known as the capital of Cunninghame, might itself be a clue. "The ancient capital of Cunninghame (thought by some to mean "king's home"] was known historically as Erewyn, Ervin, Erevine," he said. "Given its importance, it is almost unreasonable that Irvine has been overlooked in all previous attempts to identify the legendary city of Evonium." He points out that in the early medieval era Irvine was of huge strategic importance in the country. "The most intriguing evidence concerns Irvine's links with early monarchs and officers of post-Norman Scotland," said Morton. Balliol, Robert Bruce and the first Stewarts had a vested interest in the region. John Balliol was hereditary overlord of Irvine when he was crowned on the Stone in 1292." Further evidence of the importance of the area lies in the existence of the Castle of Irvine, first mentioned in writings in 1191, as well as Bruce's determination to seize the lands around Irvine after 1296. Morton also pointed out that King Robert III, who ruled from 1390 to 1406, issued at least seven royal charters from various bases in the Irvine area. Irvine is well recognised as an ancient military capital, and as the former headquarters of the Lord High Constable of Scotland, Hugh de Morville. However, in recent times it has become known as a "poverty hotspot", with figures released this year showing that North Ayrshire had one of the highest deprivation levels in Scotland, with one in four households living in poverty. Meanwhile, Morton, who wrote The Weight of Kilwinning, which investigates the significance of a 12th-century monastery in the town, goes even further by arguing that the Stone of Destiny could have been carved from Ayrshire rock in the first place. Evonium - Wikipedia Evonium is a purported lost city in Scotland first described by Hector Boece in his 16th-century Scotorum Historiae. According to Boece, it hosted the coronation of forty kings and was located in the Lochaber area. Boece's translator John Bellenden substituted Dunstaffnage for Evonium which led to the belief that the Stone of Scone was once kept at Dunstaffnage Castle. Writer A. J. Morton has suggested that if Evonium actually existed it could have been located at Irvine, Ayrshire[dubious – discuss], known historically as Erewyn, Ervin or Erevine. Brigadoon - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary Origin of BRIGADOON: [...] village in the musical Brigadoon (1947) by A. J. Lerner and F. Loewe First Known Use: 1968 ??? 1947 musical but first known use of the word more than 20 years later in 1968? That can't be right...can it? Sounds like that musical was co-written by time travelers from the Future or something. Edited Post#, last paragraph and formatting + spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The Declaration of Arbroath 1320 — English Translation Given at the monastery of Arbroath in Scotland on the sixth day of the month of April in the year of grace thirteen hundred and twenty and the fifteenth year of the reign of our King aforesaid. Scythians, eh? I didn't know that before. Thanks for posting the text. :) It's a very great work, imo, and this is one of the statements I like most: Declaration of Arbroath - Wikipedia [Some holes in the text at the Pic there] Generally believed to have been written in the Arbroath Abbey by Bernard of Kilwinning, then Chancellor of Scotland and Abbot of Arbroath, and sealed by fifty-one magnates and nobles, The Declaration was part of a broader diplomatic campaign which sought to assert Scotland's position as an independent kingdom, rather than being a feudal land controlled by England's Norman kings, as well as lift the excommunication of Robert the Bruce. The Pope had recognised Edward I of England's claim to overlordship of Scotland in 1305 and Bruce was excommunicated by the Pope for murdering [said King Edward I of England, Edit to add: in a letter to the Pope] John Comyn [his relative] before the altar in Greyfriars Church in Dumfries in 1306. A justification had to be given for the rejection of King John [Balliol] in whose name William Wallace and Andrew de Moray had rebelled in 1297. The reason given in the Declaration is that Bruce was able to defend Scotland from English aggression whereas, by implication, King John could not. Whatever the true motive, the idea of a contract between King and people was advanced to the Pope as [a reason] for Bruce's coronation whilst John de Balliol still lived in Papal custody The Pope heeded the arguments contained in the Declaration, influenced by the offer of support from the Scots for his long-desired crusade if they no longer had to fear English invasion. He exhorted Edward II in a letter to make peace with the Scots, but the following year was again persuaded by the English to take their side and issued six bulls to that effect. It was only in October 1328, after a short-lived peace treaty between Scotland and England, the Treaty of Edinburgh-Northampton (which renounced all English claims to Scotland and was signed by the new English king, Edward III, on 1 March 1328), that the interdict [exclusion from certain rites of the Church] on Scotland and the excommunication of its king were finally removed. The original copy of the Declaration that was sent to Avignon is lost. A copy of the Declaration survives among Scotland's state papers, held by the National Archives of Scotland in Edinburgh. The most widely known English language translation was made by Sir James Fergusson, formerly Keeper of the Records of Scotland, from text that he reconstructed using this extant copy and early copies of the original draft. Arbroath cross-reference at Post #11: A major search for the stone [of Scone/Destiny] was ordered by the British Government, but proved unsuccessful. The custodians left the Stone on the altar of Arbroath Abbey on 11 April 1951, in the safekeeping of the Church of Scotland. Edited to remove a comment and add one. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
While there is much room for debate and even revision on the subject we are discussing, I am of the opinion that history has been manipulated to a large degree in order to grant some groups advantage and to hide truths that would change perspectives regarding ethnicity. My interest in the so-called Lost Tribes of Israel has been rekindled. Political correctness has made all of us less likely to even compare the historical facts as they relate to ethnic differences that have NEVER changed. But far more importantly to me is the truth. Gene Scott remarked that while he wasn't a believer in the British-Israel theology "he wasn't going to throw the baby out with the bath water." That is my approach to this most interesting study. Modern day preachers avoid teachings on much of the Bible because it might alienate some from their congregation and therefore decrease their wealth. Others are inclined to refer only to New Testament teachings and rely upon certain passages to justify their belief systems. My goal is not debate but learning the history of the Ten Lost Tribes. One thing that I find of tremendous importance is that those calling themselves Jews today are for the most part NOT ISRAELITE descendants (not the "Chosen" as commonly believed and TAUGHT, but are in truth imposters). It is my opinion that the great majority of modern Christianity have been deceived and cannot understand their scriptures because the very basis of their faith have been undermined by lies and omissions. [Ask yourself why we are not taught about the Ashkenazi Jews in school ?] Again, my interest is not defamation of Jews. My intent is to learn the majesty of God. The Israelites (10 Tribes) have escaped the history books for thousands of years but it is prophesied that they will once again know who they are ... and I believe that is taking place gradually ... and it is THE GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD" ! As a side note: When Gene Scott was alive I tried to get him to contact Mel Gibson for the purpose of making a movie about this history. "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
Shiloh (biblical city) - Wikipedia Shiloh was an ancient city mentioned in the Hebrew Bible. Its site is at modern Khirbet Seilun, south of ancient Tirzah and 10 miles (16 km) north of the Israeli settlement of Beth El in the West Bank. It was the capital of Israel before the first Temple was built in Jerusalem. [Shiloh] could be a figure, perhaps the Messiah, or a place The meaning of the word "Shiloh" is unclear. Sometimes it is translated as the Messianic title that means He Whose It Is or as Pacific, Pacificator or Tranquility that refers to the Samaritan Pentateuch. However the name of Shiloh the town is derived of (shala) and may be translated as Tranquility Town (or Fair Haven or Pleasantville). Shiloh is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible as an assembly place [the Tent of Meeting] for the people of Israel. [...] In this sense, the Tent of Meeting is to be distinguished from the "Dwelling Place"—the Mishkan—often translated "Tabernacle." Jeremiah used the example of Shiloh to warn the inhabitants of Judah and Jerusalem what Yahweh Elohim will do to the "place where I caused my name to dwell," warning them that their holy city, Jerusalem, like Shiloh, could fall under divine judgment. St. Jerome, in his letter to Paula and Eustochius, dated about 392–393, writes: "With Christ at our side we shall pass through Shiloh and Bethel" (Ep.46,13, PL 22, 492). Born Fighting - Smithsonian Channel In this landmark two-part series, Senator Jim Webb tells the largely forgotten story of the Scots-Irish, a people whose values, culture and fighting spirit profoundly shaped America. Follow Senator Webb as he tracks their heroes and legends from William Wallace to Andrew Jackson, the first of 17 Scots-Irish U.S. Presidents. Their Bible-thumping, battle-scarred march for independence took them from Scotland to Northern Ireland and finally the open expanses of early America, where they would leave an indelible mark on the national character. 1 minute video: Born Fighting - Trailer Battle of Shiloh - Wikipedia The Battle of Shiloh, also known as the Battle of Pittsburg Landing, was a major battle in the Western Theater of the American Civil War, fought April 6– 7, 1862, in southwestern Tennessee. List of American Civil War battles - Wikipedia Civil War Battles - historynet.com (Noting some biblical sounding names from the first battles onward as if targeted by ritualists less for Military logistical reasons than as places of sacrifice to a "god" or "gods" of War: Philippi... Big Bethel... Carthage [Tarshish]... Manassas [Manasseh]... Shiloh... Corinth... among others) Edited for formatting. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Collection of posted reference materials for study and discussion: Post #31 | video: Israel's Lost Empires -- The Lost Ten Tribes + commentary Post #18 | JEREMIAH AND TEA TEPHI + commentary Post #24 | Tamar Tephi, Princess Of Judah Post #27 | The Declaration of Arbroath 1320 — English Translation [Independence and Freedom prioritized above fealty to royal lineages] ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Long ago, I used to watch a Sunday morning program with a preacher who was a rotund, little old guy with glasses whose name I don't recall now or why I liked listening to it then or a single thing he ever said. Many years later at another forum, I recognized his name in discussions of British Israelism that were swirling there around the time that The Da Vinci Code premiered, iirc. I posted some comments but I don't think very often. One I remember was as an attempt to caution that Jesus was being name-dropped to advance "holier than thou" doctrines of men and an earthly kingdom of their making -- not because Jesus was considered to be Christ but like an Interreligious Public Relations railroad-switch device routing matrilineally back to David and the earlier Patriarchs. It's not that I don't think there's anything of substance at all to legends of old like Tea Tephi and such. I actually do to some extent but that reminds me more than somewhat of the Book of Esther. And, there again, like The Da Vinci Code, I think it's being used like a railroad-switch back to David and the earlier Patriarchs and scriptural promises to them because, somewhere down the line, descendecy stopped being traced through the fathers in Judaism. It all reminds me too of "land claims" across the earth to build such a kingdom -- sort of like the "America Unearthed" show where a geologist, supposedly, calls what looks hoaxy to me markers from the Templars and whatnot. Yet, in one program about a huge rock formation in Texas that's around 20 miles long and looks like quarried blocks he shrugs off as a natural occurence -- because it didn't much suit his "land claim" agenda, I suppose. It's not that I'm convinced it was built by giants but his "land claim" agenda reminds me of the Palestine issues where Israelis act as if the borders are wherever they decide to go next. I'm ok with discussing the British Israelism dogmas here and I thought the Scythian video was interesting, although confusing and rather agenda driven too. There are a lot of things I thought about commenting on but didn't take notes. For instance, as a linguist, I think he went out of his way to avoid making any connection to the tribe of Asher re: Assyrians/Asshur/Ashur, and to cast Russia as not among the tribes, and I don't think, as he does, that there was a transcription error in the Book of Revelation. Anyway, that's the gist of my views on the topic at this point. Post #38: Collection of posted reference materials for study and discussion ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Only Israeli scholars and a few of the "shared trust" from other countries have ever been allowed access. The concern was that the prophet Jethro may have back masked a secret into a scroll that read, "Any Christians who forget for a moment that The Christ killing Pharisees are forever guilty will never hear Gabriel when he blows his flugelhorn, but shall be passed over in forgotten, soulless graves to the tune of 'JESUS IS JUST ALRIGHT WITH ME.'"
As for the Book of Esther ... Martin Luther and I agree in thinking the book is planted dis-info. (Only book of the Bible that fails to mention God). I also question much of what Paul writes in the new testament. (I admit that I may be in error). That being said, I am of the opinion that great efforts have been made to dumb down and De-spiritualize the world. I have a very difficult time with accepting kingship, popery, judgeship, and automatic respect for man made institutions that seemingly become artifices of evil. (Or possibly created to be evil from their initiation). At the same time I think all of these institutional frauds serve some purpose aside from their bad deeds. That is, I think we are expected to discern truth and reject fraud. Our acceptance of fraud will be our undoing. I have looked objectively at the so called British - Israel / Identity theory for a very long time. For me, the important issue wasn't that whitey is something special but that those claiming to be "chosen" are liars and use this falsehood to blind so called Christians from knowing the truth and instill fear of being cursed if they curse these imposters. [Jacob had 12 sons by 4 women and 2 of them were hand maidens. I am studying these relations for a better understanding of the tribes]. Otherwise, I don't have a dog in the fight. Some "Identity" folks like to latch on to a claim of "chosen-ness" that I contend is another fraud and a joke when one considers the behavior of mankind in general. At the same time I don't think it's a bad thing to understand who is ones natural enemy. (By their deeds you shall know them). Side Note: I've mentioned before that the name of Brit ain or Brit ish is Hebrew for covenant land or covenant man. B'nai Brith is a Jewish group and their name means sons of the covenant. Some things have been established like the names of countries and other things that cannot be undone and serve as evidence, facts, or circumstantial evidence in support of truth. I am fascinated by Biblical prophesy as it corresponds with the migrations of a very large contingent of people that I think are being erased from history to whatever extent possible by another group that profits by doing so. We languish in ignorance of our own history knowing not where we come from and worse we're expected to accept many things like kings and Popes without asking why these people continue to wear such ridiculous costumes that seem to justify their positions of authority in the minds of adults acting like children. I think I'm rambling a bit here but would close by saying there's a ton of material available to anyone wishing to compare Biblical scripture and history. In some cases the history not often reported is key. "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
(2). The concern was that the prophet Jethro may have back masked a secret into a scroll that read, "Any Christians who forget for a moment that The Christ killing Pharisees are forever guilty will never hear Gabriel when he blows his flugelhorn, but shall be passed over in forgotten, soulless graves to the tune of 'JESUS IS JUST ALRIGHT WITH ME.'" #1 is true and #2 is just too freakin funny ! "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
The Israelites (10 Tribes) have escaped the history books for thousands of years but it is prophesied that they will once again know who they are ... and I believe that is taking place gradually ... and it is THE GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD" ! The story of Abrahamic Monotheism is largely about milleniums of in-fighting among relatives over ideological differences and it doesn't much seem to matter warwise who is related to who. Moses married an Ethiopian. The mother of the tribes of Joseph was Egyptian. David is descended from Moab and on and on. That being said, I'm not even quite sure why ten tribes of Israel were considered to be lost. Which groups qualify as being found or not seems contingent on whether their DNA matches that of modern day Jews. Here's where I'm confused on the math: The tribes of Judah and Benjamin are said to have been allied as loyalists to the kingship of Solomon's son. The tribe of Simeon is said to have been absorbed into the tribe of Judah and only part of the tribe of Levi was lost -- those who lived in the Northern kingdom of Israel, not those who lived in cities within the Southern kingdom of Judah. So, 3.5 of the 12 tribes could be counted as not lost in the Diaspora and only 8.5 that were, not 10. But then the tribe of Joseph (which means "He adds"/"He will add") began to be counted twice among the lost by the names of his sons (Manasseh and Ephraim) instead of by his name. Even with that sleight-of-hand expansion, it would still only amount to 9.5 groups lost and not 10 unless the number is rounded up. The increase amounts to 13 male tribes of Jacob instead 12 unless Simeon and Judah are counted as one but it's the tribe of Dan (which means "Judgement"; as does the name of Jacob's uncounted daughter, Dinah) and not Simeon that isn't counted as sealed in the Book of Revelation's listing. Maybe he did because Gibson said he wanted to make a Maccabean movie and the prophet, Jeremiah (who is said to have brought a princess of Judah to Ireland), is mentioned in the second book of Maccabees. Edited for formatting + last sentence of paragraph 2. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The truth is that the promise was made to Abram, who would become the father of Ishmael, and not to "Abraham", as he wouldn't be called until years after he had become Ishmael's father [Edit to add: and before he became Isaac's]. Those who instill fear of a cursing if Abraham's Jewish descendants of Isaac are cursed don't seem to understand as much as they should that it is they who would be cursing Abram (to whom the promise was made) if they curse his Ishmaelite descendants and others. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
90% of so-called modern Jews have NO ("blood" / "DNA") RELATION whatsoever to the Israelites/Hebrews. All Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of converts or recent converts. "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
As Kinky Friedman observed, "They don't make jews like Jesus anymore."
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestEzekiel 38:1 And the word of þe Lord came vnto me, saying;
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Dead Sea Scrolls were found in 1947 and immediately hauled to Israel.....so, they are just getting around to examining the content now? What's the rush?
00:47:10 What I'm trying to say here is that when people employ the war scroll for modern-day political discussions, it tells us more about their own ideology than about what it says in the war scroll.
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Gomer is Germany. Watch for Germany to join in the fun (as an opponent) !
The eponymous Gomer, "standing for the whole family," as the compilers of the Jewish Encyclopedia expressed it,[1] is also mentioned in Book of Ezekiel 38:6 as the ally of Gog, the chief of the land of Magog.
I think most all of the people that the Hebrews warred against in those chronicles were related to them somehow and even their 12 tribes killed and warred against each other, which is why there were two divided kingdoms of those allied with Judah (which means "Praise") and the majority of others who were allied against it. I'll try when I have the time to link several Wikipedia sites that I looked through while trying to research some of the names you posted. For now, I thought it interesting that there was a Cimmerian correlation to a culture/place called Koban and Kobani is currently in the War news now [Edit to add: although it isn't the same location, afaik. Edited also to include a link above to Strong's Concordance].
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Wasn't sure which version was being quoted by you there
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there was a Cimmerian correlation to a culture/place called Koban and Kobani is currently in the War news now [Edit to add: although it isn't the same location, afaik.
Koban culture (Northern Caucasus, 12th to 4th centuries BC)
Many, such as Amjad Jaimoukha, believe the Koban culture was primarily Nakh.[1]
13th–14th centuries Independence wars against Tatar-Mongol hordes and army of Tamerlane.
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Wasn't sure which version was being quoted by you there
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In rabbinic literature, the kingdom of Ashkenaz was first associated with the Scythian region, then later with the Slavic territories,[1] and, from the 11th century onwards, with northern Europe and Germany.[2]
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Just want to copy that link on Scythians here for more study later because it mentions the Caucasus region
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I used to watch the show.
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/121387/
Nostradamus_Effect__Armageddon_Battle_Plan_Full_Episode/
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Me: Just want to copy that [Wikipedia] link on Scythians here for more study later because it mentions the Caucasus region
[Me: Located the posted excerpts at Stone of Scone - Wikipedia with a pic of the replica.
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Gene Scott's wife took his archives down after he passed away. He spoke on a multitude of topics and his fans/followers were continuously sending him books to read and then speak about.
The Honours of Scotland, also known as the Scottish Regalia and the Scottish Crown Jewels, dating from the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, are the oldest set of crown jewels in the British Isles.
According to the teachings of Dr. Gene Scott (Ph.D Stanford) the Stone of Destiny is originally Jacob's pillar stone (Genesis 28:18) also called the Shepherd Stone and the Stone of Israel (Genesis 49:24). The same rock that Moses strikes in Exodus 17:6 and Numbers 20:11 (c. 1413 B.C.).
Article excerpts: The Coronation ceremony appears to have been taken as directly as possible from the description in the Bible of the coronation of David and Solomon. The monarch is anointed with sacred oil by the Archbishop of Canterbury, trumpets sound, and the people shout "God Save the King" (1 Samuel 10:24, 1 Kings 1:39). The royal crown contains twelve jewels made of the same twelve stones which were in the breastplate of the high priest (Ex. 28:17-21). These similarities alone do not prove that the kings really are the royal blood of Israel, but such would be expected if the British throne is the continuation of the throne of David. Of course, the royalty also have extensive genealogies to prove their lineage.
[...] King Edward moved to arrest Bruce while Bruce was still at the English court. Fortunately for Bruce, his friend, and Edward's son-in-law, Ralph de Monthermer learnt of Edward's intention and warned Bruce by sending him twelve pence and a pair of spurs. Bruce took the hint, and he and a squire fled the English court during the night. They made their way quickly for Scotland [...]
there is some evidence that he left on a mission to the court of King Philip IV of France to plead the case for assistance in the Scottish struggle for independence. There is a surviving letter from the French king dated 7 November 1300 to his envoys in Rome demanding that they should help Sir William. It also suggests that Wallace may have intended to travel to Rome, although it is not known if he did. There is also a report from an English spy at a meeting of Scottish leaders, where they said Wallace was in France.
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There is a biblical connection with the known history of the stone and Ezekiel 21:27 where the stone is overthrown three times - Judah to Ireland, Ireland to Scotland, Scotland to England. Although, in 2004 the stone was moved to Scotland, Scotland did not need to physically seize the stone.
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The Coronation ceremony appears to have been taken as directly as possible from the description in the Bible of the coronation of David and Solomon. The monarch is anointed with sacred oil by the Archbishop of Canterbury, trumpets sound, and the people shout "God Save the King" (1 Samuel 10:24, 1 Kings 1:39). The royal crown contains twelve jewels made of the same twelve stones which were in the breastplate of the high priest (Ex. 28:17-21). These similarities alone do not prove that the kings really are the royal blood of Israel, but such would be expected if the British throne is the continuation of the throne of David. Of course, the royalty also have extensive genealogies to prove their lineage.
When the Stone of Scone was returned to Scotland in 1996, it also was placed in the Crown Room, alongside the Honours.
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Legend says that [William] Wallace did have a close friend called Stephen of Ireland. Legend states however that Wallace’s closest friend was a man known as Kerly. Of course there is no solid evidence that either Stephen of Ireland or Kerly really existed.
Wallace may have been betrayed by the Noblemen under John Comyn [aka? Stewart/Menteith], although there is no solid evidence of this, but not by fictional characters Mornay and Locklan. Comyn and his noble cavalry did indeed flee the field [at Falkirk] however, either by betrayal or fear, leaving the Scottish ranks of Schiltrons to be slaughtered by English arrows. Wallace was captured by the English at Rob Royston near Glasgow after being betrayed by John Menteith [aka? Comyn/Stewart], who was a Scotsman.
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familytreemaker.genealogy...en-Harper/GENE3-0001.html
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Below is the Declaration of Arbroath (The Scots) formerly Scythians !
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Alexander, Earl of Menteith: [...] In another writ, of uncertain date, granted by their [Stewart] father to Kilwinning Abbey, he and his brother are styled Alexander and John de Menteith.
IT IS said to be the ancient royal seat of Scotland, a place where kings were crowned and the Stone of Destiny was kept.
Definition of BRIGADOON: a place that is idyllic, unaffected by time, or remote from reality
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Below is the Declaration of Arbroath (The Scots) formerly Scythians !
May it please you to admonish and exhort the King of the English, who ought to be satisfied with what belongs to him since England used once to be enough for seven kings or more, to leave us Scots in peace
The Declaration of Arbroath is a declaration of Scottish independence, made in 1320. It is in the form of a letter in Latin submitted to Pope John XXII, dated 6 April 1320, intended to confirm Scotland's status as an independent, sovereign state and defending Scotland's right to use military action when unjustly attacked.
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Genesis 49:10 [Full Chapter] The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
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Dead Sea Scrolls were found in 1947 and immediately hauled to Israel.....so, they are just getting around to examining the content now? What's the rush?
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(1). Only Israeli scholars and a few of the "shared trust" from other countries have ever been allowed access.
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My goal is not debate but learning the history of the Ten Lost Tribes
As a side note: When Gene Scott was alive I tried to get him to contact Mel Gibson for the purpose of making a movie about this history.
#39. To: noone222 (#36)
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I have looked objectively at the so called British - Israel / Identity theory for a very long time. For me, the important issue wasn't that whitey is something special but that those claiming to be "chosen" are liars and use this falsehood to blind so called Christians from knowing the truth and instill fear of being cursed if they curse these imposters.
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great ; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
#40. To: GreyLmist (#38)
Which groups qualify as being found or not seems contingent on whether their DNA matches that of modern day Jews.
#41. To: noone222 (#40)
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