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Title: Armageddon Battle Plan [Dead Sea War Scroll fragments - decades of war in the Middle East]
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YouTube, History Channel H2 and partial transcript
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VxTZQYQbJ4
Published: Oct 18, 2013
Author: EisenmanExpeditions
Post Date: 2014-10-13 05:41:26 by GreyLmist
Keywords: Armageddon, Battle Plan, Dead Sea War Scroll, Middle East
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2.25 minute YouTube: Robert Eisenman in The Nostradamus Effect, Season 1 Episode 11: Armageddon Battle Plan [History Channel H2 -- no trace of info on that 1 hour program was found at the website but it was recently aired on October 6. Original air date: 12/08/09] livedash.ark.com partial transcript of Nostradamus Effect - Armageddon Battle Plan The war scroll describes a future battle, an eschatological battle -- in other words, a battle that has to do with the end of days with kind of the final battle of good versus evil. Some believe it is a blueprint for armageddon, of a 21st-CENTURY WAR TO END ALL Wars. for some who believe in the prophecy, the ancient text predicts the exact spot where a third world war may erupt. Mesopotamia is just a general term used to describe that area east of jerusalem today. It would be all those countries in general that are east of israel. Assyria, of course, is iraq. And persia, of course, is modern-day iran. So as you can see, these are all involved in latter-days events, and that happens to be exactly what's going on in our world right now. Believers in prophecy suggest it's more than mere coincidence that the very lands mentioned in the war scroll -- mesopotamia, assyria, and persia -- are the same lands now engulfed in conflict. in a funny way, we can say that the motivation of the people who wrote the war scroll are very, very similar to the motivation of people today who are expecting a battle of armageddon in the middle east at any moment. And that can only be considered very, very dangerous because the belief systems we hold affects our behavior. And if we believe something to be true and if we believe something is going to happen, the chances are we might actually cause it to do so.We call this theoretical convergence between doomsday prophecies and today's events the nostradamus effect.
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2 Sonne of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog the chiefe prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophecie against him, 3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chiefe prince of Meshech and Tubal. 4 And I will turne thee backe, and put hookes into thy chawes, and I will bring thee foorth, and all thine armie, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, euen a great company with bucklers & shields, all of them handling swordes. 5 Persia, Ethiopia and Libya with them; all of them with shield & helmet: 6 Gomer and all his bandes, the house of Togarmah of the North quarters, and all his bands, and many people with thee. Gomer is Germany. Watch for Germany to join in the fun (as an opponent) ! 11 And thou shalt say: I will goe vp to the land of vnwalled villages; I will goe to them that are at rest, that dwell safely all of them dwelling without walles, and hauing neither barres nor gates; 12 To take a spoile, and to take a praye, to turne thine hand vpon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and vpon the people that are gathered out of the nations which haue gotten cattel and goods, that dwell in the middest of the land. Care to speculate ??? This prophecy cannot refer to modern Israel as a land of unwalled villages that's at rest ... one last thing, these people named enemies of Israel are sons of Japeth (Iaphet) which includes Ashkenaz - Ashkenazi "Jews" get their name from their ancestor Ashkenaz, a named enemy of Israel in prophecy. [2 The sonnes of Iaphet: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Iauan, & Tubal, and Meshech, & Tiras. 3 And the sonnes of Gomer: Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. So how can they be Israel and at the same time be the enemy of Israel ? Bible whores (Zionazis) like John Hagee know this if they actually read the Bible.
Wasn't sure which version was being quoted by you there (ex. Ethiopia is sometimes called Cush and Libya as Put/Phut) but it looks to be from hundreds of years ago, so I'm linking to Ezekiel 38 - KJV - Online Bible Study so as to try and get on the same page. [Ezekiel 38:11-12] Care to speculate ??? This prophecy cannot refer to modern Israel as a land of unwalled villages that's at rest ... one last thing, these people named enemies of Israel are sons of Japeth (Iaphet) which includes Ashkenaz - Ashkenazi "Jews" get their name from their ancestor Ashkenaz, a named enemy of Israel in prophecy. [ Genesis 10 - KJVA - Online Bible Study?] So how can they be Israel and at the same time be the enemy of Israel ? Bible whores (Zionazis) like John Hagee know this if they actually read the Bible. First, I'd like to note that the Ezekiel 38 reference to "unwalled" villages is one of the few places that Strong's Concordance has no listing for a word but it's denoted elsewhere as "open country" and might be suggestive of bedouins. Wikipedia for Gomer says this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_ Magog en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Hamon-Gog en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magog_(Bible) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenaz en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togarmah en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table _of_Nations [Sons of Noah] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koban_culture The most well-studied site was on the outskirts of Serzhen-Yurt (in modern Chechnya), which was a major center from around 11th century BCE to around the 7th century BCE.[1] Amjad Jaimoukha argues that while all these cultures probably were made by people included among the genetic ancestors of the Northern Caucasian Nakh (i.e. Chechens and Ingush), it was either the Koban or Kharachoi culture that was the first culture made by the cultural and linguistic ancestors of the Chechens (meaning the Chechens first arrived in their homeland 3000–4000 years ago). However, many others disagree, holding the Chechens to have lived in their present day lands for over 10000 years.[2][3] Jaimoukha postulates that the end of the Koban culture was brought about by Scythian invasions.[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakh_peoples [mentions the name Tamerlane that was reported concerning the alleged Boston Marathon Bombings] Edited for formatting and to replace the note I inserted about Scythians with this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians
From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or simply Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים, Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation: [ÌaƒkYÈnazim], singular: [ÌaƒkYÈnazi], Modern Hebrew: [aƒkenaÈzim, aƒkenaÈzi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנַז Y'hudey Ashkenaz, lit. "The Jews of Germany"), are a Jewish ethnic division which coalesced in the Holy Roman Empire around the turn of the first millennium.[12] The traditional language of Ashkenazi Jews consisted of various dialects of Yiddish. Medieval rabbinic Ashkenaz In rabbinic literature, the kingdom of Ashkenaz was first associated with the Scythian region, then later with the Slavic territories,[1] and, from the 11th century onwards, with northern Europe and Germany.[2] The region of Ashkenaz was centred on the Rhineland and the Palatinate (notably Worms and Speyer), in what is now the westernmost part of Germany. Its geographic extent did not coincide with the German Christian principalities of the time, and it included northern France. In rabbinic literature from the 11th century, Ashkenaz was considered the ruler of a kingdom in the North and of the Northern and Germanic people.[cita
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians Just want to copy that link on Scythians here for more study later because it mentions the Caucasus region (places such as Iran, Ukraine and Russia) and also the Serbs (ref. WWI origins).
Some, like Gene Scott (RIP), have spoken of the Scythians as members of the 10 northern tribes of Israel that were captured by the Assyrians and wound up being horseback riding archers in the Assyrian Army. Scott mentioned that the same "bits" they used for their horses have been found in Ireland. There's some history we're being deprived of for who knows what reason. If you read about the Stone of Scone or stone of destiny that has recently been "returned" to Scotland after having sat under the coronation throne of Great Britain after it was captured from Scotland in 1296. Tradition and history Replica of the Stone of Scone at Scone Palace Origin and legends In the 14th century, the English cleric and historian Walter Hemingford described the location of the Scottish coronation stone as the monastery of Scone, a few miles north of Perth: Apud Monasterium de Scone positus est lapis pergrandis in ecclesia Dei, juxta manum altare, concavus quidem ad modum rotundae cathedreaie confectus, in quo futuri reges loco quasi coronationis ponebantur ex more. In the monastery of Scone, in the church of God, near to the high altar, is kept a large stone, hollowed out as a round chair, on which their kings were placed for their ordination, according to custom. Various theories and legends exist about the Stone's history prior to its placement in Scone: One story concerns Fergus, son of Erc, the first King of the Scots in Scotland, whose transportation of the Stone from Ireland to Argyll, where he was crowned in it, was recorded.[2] Legends describe a transportation of the Stone from Ireland, as well as a connection to the stone Lia Fáil, the coronation stone of the kings of Tara. The Scottish Gaelic, clach-na-cinneamhain, clach Sgàin, and Lia(th) Fàil[1] provides strong etymological support for the Lia Fáil connection.[3] Legends place the origins of the Stone in Biblical times and consider the Stone to be the Stone of Jacob, taken by Jacob while in Haran.[4] (Genesis 28:10-22).[5] According to Hector Boece, the stone was first kept in the lost city of Evonium, in the west of Scotland.[citation needed] Geologists proved that the Stone taken by Edward I of England to Westminster[6] is a "lower Old Red Sandstone", which is quarried in the vicinity of Scone.[7] Although, doubts over the authenticity of the Stone that is presently stored have existed for a long time—a blog post by retired Scottish academic and writer of historical fiction Marie MacPherson shows that they date back at least two hundred years.[8] A letter to the editor of the Morning Chronicle, dated 2 January 1819, states: On the 19th of November, as the servants belonging to the West Mains of Dunsinane-house, were employed in carrying away stones from the excavation made among the ruins that point out the site of Macbeth's castle here, part of the ground they stood on suddenly gave way, and sank down about six feet, discovering a regularly built vault, about six feet long and four wide. None of the men being injured, curiosity induced them to clear out the subterranean recess, when they discovered among the ruins a large stone, weighing about 500l [230 kg]. which is pronounced to be of the meteoric or semi-metallic kind. This stone must have lain here during the long series of ages since Macbeth's reign. Besides it were also found two round tablets, of a composition resembling bronze. On one of these two lines are engraved, which a gentleman has thus deciphered.— 'The sconce (or shadow) of kingdom come, until Sylphs in air carry me again to Bethel.' These plates exhibit the figures of targets for the arms. From time immemorial it has been believed among us here, that unseen hands brought Jacob's pillow from Bethel and dropped it on the site where the palace of Scoon now stands. A strong belief is also entertained by many in this part of the country that it was only a representation of this Jacob's pillow that Edward sent to Westminster, the sacred stone not having been found by him. The curious here, aware of such traditions, and who have viewed these venerable remains of antiquity, agree that Macbeth may, or rather must, have deposited the stone in question at the bottom of his Castle, on the hill of Dunsinane (from the trouble of the times), where it has been found by the workmen. This curious stone has been shipped for London for the inspection of the scientific amateur, in order to discover its real quality.[1] Westminster Abbey The Stone of Scone in the Coronation Chair at Westminster Abbey, 1855. In 1296 the Stone was captured by Edward I as spoils of war and taken to Westminster Abbey, where it was fitted into a wooden chair—known as King Edward's Chair—on which most subsequent English sovereigns have been crowned. Edward I sought to claim his status as the "Lord Paramount" of Scotland, with the right to oversee its King.[9] Some doubt exists over the stone captured by Edward I. The Westminster Stone theory posits that the monks at Scone Palace hid the real stone in the River Tay, or buried it on Dunsinane Hill, and that the English troops were tricked into taking a substitute. Some proponents of the theory claim that historic descriptions of the Stone do not match the present stone.[4] In The Treaty of Northampton 1328, between the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England, England agreed to return the captured Stone to Scotland; however, riotous crowds prevented it from being removed from Westminster Abbey.[10] The Stone remained in England for another six centuries, even after James VI of Scotland assumed the English throne as James I of England. For the next century, the Stuart Kings and Queens of Scotland once again sat on the stone, but at their coronation as Kings and Queens of England.[citation needed] Removal and damage Main article: Removal of the Stone of Scone in 1950 On Christmas Day 1950, a group of four Scottish students (Ian Hamilton, Gavin Vernon, Kay Matheson, and Alan Stuart) removed the Stone from Westminster Abbey for return to Scotland.[11] During the removal process, the Stone broke into two pieces.[12][13] After burying the greater part of the Stone in a Kent field, where they camped[14] for a few days, they uncovered the buried stone and returned to Scotland, along with a new accomplice, John Josselyn. Although an Englishman, Josselyn, who was then a student at the University of Glasgow, was a Scottish Nationalist. Furthermore, Edward I was Josselyn's 21st great grandfather.[15] The smaller piece was similarly brought north at a later time. The entire Stone was passed to a senior Glasgow politician, who arranged for it to be professionally repaired by Glasgow stonemason Robert Gray.[citation needed] A major search for the stone was ordered by the British Government, but proved unsuccessful. The custodians left the Stone on the altar of Arbroath Abbey on 11 April 1951, in the safekeeping of the Church of Scotland. Once the London police were informed of its whereabouts, the Stone was returned to Westminster four months after it was removed. Afterward, rumours circulated that copies had been made of the Stone, and that the returned Stone was not in fact the original.[16][17] Return to Scotland In 1996,[17] in a symbolic response to growing dissatisfaction among Scots at the prevailing constitutional settlement, the British Conservative Government decided that the Stone should be kept in Scotland when not in use at coronations. On 3 July 1996, it was announced in the House of Commons that the Stone would be returned to Scotland, and on 15 November 1996, after a handover ceremony at the border between representatives of the Home Office and of the Scottish Office, it was transported to Edinburgh Castle. The Stone arrived in the Castle on 30 November 1996 and it remains alongside the crown jewels of Scotland (the Honours of Scotland) in the Crown Room. The handover occurred on St Andrew's Day, a day in honour of the patron Saint of Scotland, and Prince Andrew, Duke of York was the Queen's representative.[citation needed] It is said that this stone was secreted away in Canada during WW II. Another interesting factoid is that if you watch a video of Queen Elizabeth's coronation and read that of Solomon in the Bible - they are near identical ceremonies.
You: Some, like Gene Scott (RIP), have spoken of the Scythians as members of the 10 northern tribes of Israel that were captured by the Assyrians and wound up being horseback riding archers in the Assyrian Army. Scott mentioned that the same "bits" they used for their horses have been found in Ireland. There's some history we're being deprived of for who knows what reason. Additional info there: also known as the Stone of Destiny, and often referred to in England as The Coronation Stone—[it] is an oblong block of red sandstone that was used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland, and later the monarchs of England and the Kingdom of Great Britain. Historically, the artefact was kept at the now-ruined Scone Abbey [Pic of the Middle Ages Scone Abbey Seal] in Scone, near Perth, Scotland [similar refs. for Scone, Perthshire and Scone, Scotland]. It is also known as Jacob's Pillow Stone and the Tanist Stone, and in Scottish Gaelic, clach-na-cinneamhain. Its size is about 26 inches (660 mm) by 16.75 inches (425 mm) by 10.5 inches (270 mm) and its weight is approximately 336 pounds (152 kg). A roughly incised cross exists on one surface, and an iron ring at each end aids with transportation.[1] The Stone of Scone was last used in 1953 for the coronation of Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.] You: It is said that this stone was secreted away in Canada during WW II. Another interesting factoid is that if you watch a video of Queen Elizabeth's coronation and read that of Solomon in the Bible - they are near identical ceremonies. Thanks so much for posting about that epic, "An Lia Fàil" topic and so on. :) I'd like to hear more about the Stone being in Canada during WWII. It's news to me and I did quite a bit of research after reading your post because the movie "Braveheart" was on yesterday and I thought you might be interested in some of the historical context concerning that era and the region in correspondence with the Stone of Scone/Destiny. I agree that we've been deprived of some history for who knows what reason and much history on that which, even super-condensed into basic excerpts, would probably take several more posts to present adequately enough. While I was studying it, I came across an intriguing factoid about spurs and Robert the Bruce that reminds me of your comment about horsebits. Also, the Battle of the Golden Spurs over in France's territory during his lifetime that I don't think Wallace was involved in but likewise reminds me of the horsebits. It mentions that the French were being killed if they had a problem pronouncing a particular Flemish phrase -- described as a shibboleth, which is a word that is also described similarly in the biblical Book of Judges around Gideon, iirc without doing further research to be more exact. Will post more from the various sources as I can get back around to it. For now, am posting this additional link for Scone Palace, along with these two short YouTubes about it and the Stone of Scone/Destiny: Scone Palace, Perth, Scotland - 2.5 minutes From the Description section: The gardens of Scone feature Moot Hill, the mound was said to have been created by pilgrims each carrying a bootful of soil to the site in a gesture of fealty to the king. A replica of the Stone of Scone sits on Moot Hill, where coronations occurred. Pipe Band Stone Of Destiny Scone Palace Perth Perthshire Scotland - 2.25 minutes From the Description section: Tour Scotland video of Perth and District Pipe Band playing on Moot Hill beside the replica of the Stone of Destiny on visit to Scone Palace, Perth, Perthshire. Edited for formatting and correction at the paragraph about the spurs factoid.
Gene Scott's wife took his archives down after he passed away. He spoke on a multitude of topics and his fans/followers were continuously sending him books to read and then speak about. I don't recall if it was him (Scott) or whether I read somewhere else that the original stone of scone had 12 gems that represented the 12 tribes embedded in it.
I don't recall if it was him (Scott) or whether I read somewhere else that the original stone of scone had 12 gems that represented the 12 tribes embedded in it. Sometimes websites are taken down at the Internet Archive: Wayback Machine too but, if you can find a link path to an article of his, try copying it at the BROWSE HISTORY search box there. Might still be copies stored in those archives that could be accessed by clicking on the highlighted calendar dates, which are displayed per year for what's available. I haven't heard about the Stone of Scone block having any gems. The Middle Ages Scone Abbey Seal linked at #15 above depicts a kingly figure that could be seated there but it doesn't look to have gems on the side- edges pictured. The Stone-replica depictions elsewhere, though, do appear spotty like maybe the original did have some of those on it in places at some time, I don't know. The Honours of Scotland Wikipedia site says this about Scottish royal treasures that date back about 500 years ago (and perhaps much older than that) but doesn't mention the Stone as ever being jeweled: There are three primary elements of the Honours of Scotland: the Crown, the Sceptre, and the Sword of State. The Crown of Scotland in its present form dates from 1540 when James V ordered the Edinburgh goldsmith John Mosman to refashion the original crown. James wore it to his consort's coronation in the same year at the abbey church of Holyrood. The circlet at the base is made from Scottish gold and is encrusted with 22 gemstones and 20 precious stones taken from the former crown. Freshwater pearls from Scotland's rivers were also used. The crown weighs 3 lb 10 oz (1644 g). The crown was remodelled in 1540 for James V when the velvet and ermine bonnet were added to bring it to its present form. It is not known exactly when the crown was originally made, but it can be seen in its pre-1540 form in the famous portrait of James IV of Scotland in the Book of Hours that was created for his marriage to Margaret Tudor in 1503. The Sceptre of Scotland was a gift from Pope Alexander VI to King James IV in 1494, The Sword of State of Scotland was also a papal gift; Pope Julius II presented it to James IV in 1507 When the Stone of Scone was returned to Scotland in 1996, it also was placed in the Crown Room, alongside the Honours. This Wikipedia link interestingly mentions Dr. Gene Scott: Talk:Stone of Destiny There is a biblical connection with the known history of the stone and Ezekiel 21:27 where the stone is overthrown three times - Judah to Ireland, Ireland to Scotland, Scotland to England. Although, in 2004 the stone was moved to Scotland, Scotland did not need to physically seize the stone. I hadn't heard about most of that before either but this link at johnpratt.com, British Throne of David, has some paragraphs posted below that sound similar to the biblical and modern-day coronation similarities you noted at the end of #11 (and more, as well; Edit to add example: mentions fewer British crown gems than the Honours of Scotland info does above): "Another interesting factoid is that if you watch a video of Queen Elizabeth's coronation and read that of Solomon in the Bible - they are near identical ceremonies." It is interesting to note, however, that although the stone is not explicitly mentioned as part of the Biblical coronation ceremony, there seem to be references to it which have been overlooked. Consider the following accounts of when King Joash of Judah was anointed by the high priest Jehoiada: And when she looked, behold, the king stood by a pillar, as the manner was, and the princes and the trumpeters by the king, and all the people of the land rejoiced, and blew with trumpets (2 Kings 11:14) Then they brought out the king's son, and put upon him the crown, and gave him the testimony, and made him king. And Jehoiada and his sons anointed him, and said, God save the king. Now when Athaliah heard the noise of the people running and praising the king, she came to the people into the house of the LORD: And she looked, and, behold, the king stood at his pillar at the entering in, and the princes and the trumpets by the king: and all the people of the land rejoiced, and sounded with trumpets, also the singers with instruments of musick, and such as taught to sing praise. (2 Chronicles 23:11-13) He were are told that along with the usual parts of the coronation ceremony, that also the king stood at his pillar, as was the custom at coronation. What does that mean? Some Bible translations are more literal and render it, "The king stood on the pillar." [15] How can one stand on a pillar? It turns out the word translated pillar come from the root meaning "to stand" and can also refer to a "stand" or "platform." The meaning of pillar come from the idea that a pillar is standing up on its end. So the verses could also be saying that the king was coronated while standing on his stand, as was the custom. Was that stand or pillar the Stone of Destiny? If so, just what is it that makes this stone so special? It was called the Stone of Jacob. Stone of Jacob...Jacob's Pillow/Pillar...I had to chuckle thinking about someone with a Southern accent speaking of his Pillow stone and they'd still be right if it sounded like they were saying "Pillar" instead. lol No offense intended to those with Southerly accents. I believe it's ok if I think that's humorous, as almost every Southern TV newscaster/weatherperson I heard while there sounded more like a Northern Yankee than me anyway. P.S. Edited #15 to make a correction from William Wallace to Robert the Bruce regarding the spurs paragraph. Even though the factoid I thought was intriguing about those is sort of out of place here, it is just a few sentences so am posting it now for more clarity about that editing: Not much there to do with Ireland, though (such as you were talking about at #11 concerning Gene Scott re: the Scythian horse gear) except that Robert the Bruce had a younger brother, Edward, who became a High King of Ireland for a few years. Also, am not sure but I could have been wrong, too, at #15 when I doubted there that William Wallace was involved in the [11 July 1302] French and Flemish Battle of the Golden Spurs. It says at the Wikipedia link for William Wallace that he was thought to be in France at that time: By 1304 Wallace was back in Scotland, and involved in skirmishes This post edited for spelling and parenthesis insert about the British crown.
Am not only posting this link and the annotated excerpts as a background introduction of historical context regarding prior and potential commentaries here on the particular region(s) of a particular era in World History but for another example of some history we've been deprived of for who knows what reason, as mentioned previously in discussions above. [...] the French Princess [Isabella, daughter of King Philip IV/the Fair of France] was only 7 or 8 years old at the time [and not the Princess of Wales then]. [Incidently], the French Princess was not sweet and kindly, nicknamed the She Wolf of France, she was quite vicious [...] and launched her own invasion of Scotland with her son Edward III. [Coincidentally: the first wife of Robert the Bruce was also named Isabella. His younger brother, Edward, who became a High King of Ireland for a while, similarly might or might not have had a wife named Isabel/Isabelle. c. 1280 – 14 October 1318) [...] supported his brother in the struggle for the Scottish crown, then pursued his own claim in Ireland. He was proclaimed High King of Ireland, but was eventually defeated and killed in battle] In addition to the opening topic being about World scale war and also the noted apparent scrubbing of televised info about it, I think it's more than odd, too (especially since this is a Centennial year of the first World War), that a program-series titled Apocalypse: World War One/WWI is so scarce online and one episode particularly seems more sequestered than some of the others, which has perspectives on the Middle East theatre of war then and Palestine issues like British Lawerence of Arabia's machinations of betrayal and manipulations. There are a few video samplings available where the surprisingly modernesque footage - - (i.e. not much that is speeded up with jerky motions of people and machinery, such as one might except comparatively with that time period's usual quality-level technologically in Hollywood silent-films) -- can be seen at Youtube, for instance, if unable to view any of it on TV. I did see some of it televised recently and, iirc, the episode regarding the Middle East was titled "Rage". I haven't found even a text description on the web about any of that and this short video about Passchendaele (from the "Deliverance" episode?, which shows Jesus on the Cross at 1:07 and reminds me somewhat of scenes in the Lee Marvin movie, "The Big Red One") is in French without even English subtitles: This pic from the TVO website advertising the series last Summer has the titles of the episodes listed there at the bottom of it: Fury*Fear*Hell*Rage*Deliverance So, am recommending all 5 of those 1-hour programs for viewing, if possible, with emphasis on the Middle East installment that I think is the one called "Rage". Read somewhere that the series might be scheduled for the public's access again [Edit to add: perhaps on the Smithsonian Channel or NatGeo?] near the end of this month and/or the 1st half of November. [Edit to add that the "sequel", "Apocalypse: The Second World War"/WWII, is not so strangely secretive and difficult to find and it's not even a Centennial year for that.] Various edits for formatting, readability and clarification details + to include these two links for posts with already cited references on Scotland's history that can be searched: #15 and #17 Also to include these Wikipedia links that weren't posted yet: Philip IV of France/Phiip the Fair: [reportedly] annihilated the order of the Knights Templar, etc. John de Menteith: He was born to Mary, Countess of Menteith and her husband Walter "Bailloch" Stewart, Earl of Menteith jure uxoris. He and his older brother, Alexander, Earl of Menteith, replaced their paternal Stewart surname in favour of Menteith, which earned him the nickname Fause (False) Menteith. [...] Tradition has it that Menteith betrayed Sir William Wallace to English soldiers, which led to Wallace's capture and torturous execution and his later nickname Fause Menteith ("Menteith the treacherous"). John III Comyn, Lord of Badenoch: also known simply as the Red Comyn [...] The Wars of Scottish Independence [...] began in a clash between the Bruces and Comyns. [...] His mother was Eleanor Balliol, eldest daughter of John I de Balliol, father of King John Balliol. The Red Comyn might thus be said to have combined two lines of royal descent, Gaelic and Norman. He had, moreover, links with the royal house of England: in the early 1290s he married Joan de Valence, daughter of William de Valence, 1st Earl of Pembroke, an uncle of Edward I. Earl of Menteith: The Stuart-Menteth Baronetcy, of Closeburn in the County of Dumfries and Mansfield in the County of Ayr, is a title in the Baronetage of the United Kingdom. It was created on 11 August 1838 for Charles Stuart-Menteth. The Stuart-Menteth family traces its descent from Walter Comyn (third son of Walter Comyn, Justiciar of Scotia), who in 1258 married Isabella, Countess of Menteith (or Menteth).}
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Thanks for those biblical geneology links. Will probably be back later this evening to study those and discuss your other recent posts.
The Declaration of Arbroath 1320 — English Translation To the most Holy Father and Lord in Christ, the Lord John, by divine providence Supreme Pontiff of the Holy Roman and Universal Church, his humble and devout sons Duncan, Earl of Fife, Thomas Randolph, Earl of Moray, Lord of Man and of Annandale, Patrick Dunbar, Earl of March, Malise, Earl of Strathearn, Malcolm, Earl of Lennox, William, Earl of Ross, Magnus, Earl of Caithness and Orkney, and William, Earl of Sutherland; Walter, Steward of Scotland, William Soules, Butler of Scotland, James, Lord of Douglas, Roger Mowbray, David, Lord of Brechin, David Graham, Ingram Umfraville, John Menteith, guardian of the earldom of Menteith, Alexander Fraser, Gilbert Hay, Constable of Scotland, Robert Keith, Marischal of Scotland, Henry St Clair, John Graham, David Lindsay, William Oliphant, Patrick Graham, John Fenton, William Abernethy, David Wemyss, William Mushet, Fergus of Ardrossan, Eustace Maxwell, William Ramsay, William Mowat, Alan Murray, Donald Campbell, John Cameron, Reginald Cheyne, Alexander Seton, Andrew Leslie, and Alexander Straiton, and the other barons and freeholders and the whole community of the realm of Scotland send all manner of filial reverence, with devout kisses of his blessed feet. Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today. The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since. In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken a single foreigner. The high qualities and deserts of these people, were they not otherwise manifest, gain glory enough from this: that the King of kings and Lord of lords, our Lord Jesus Christ, after His Passion and Resurrection, called them, even though settled in the uttermost parts of the earth, almost the first to His most holy faith. Nor would He have them confirmed in that faith by merely anyone but by the first of His Apostles — by calling, though second or third in rank — the most gentle Saint Andrew, the Blessed Peter's brother, and desired him to keep them under his protection as their patron forever. The Most Holy Fathers your predecessors gave careful heed to these things and bestowed many favours and numerous privileges on this same kingdom and people, as being the special charge of the Blessed Peter's brother. Thus our nation under their protection did indeed live in freedom and peace up to the time when that mighty prince the King of the English, Edward, the father of the one who reigns today, when our kingdom had no head and our people harboured no malice or treachery and were then unused to wars or invasions, came in the guise of a friend and ally to harass them as an enemy. The deeds of cruelty, massacre, violence, pillage, arson, imprisoning prelates, burning down monasteries, robbing and killing monks and nuns, and yet other outrages without number which he committed against our people, sparing neither age nor sex, religion nor rank, no one could describe nor fully imagine unless he had seen them with his own eyes. But from these countless evils we have been set free, by the help of Him Who though He afflicts yet heals and restores, by our most tireless Prince, King and Lord, the Lord Robert. He, that his people and his heritage might be delivered out of the hands of our enemies, met toil and fatigue, hunger and peril, like another Macabaeus or Joshua and bore them cheerfully. Him, too, divine providence, his right of succession according to or laws and customs which we shall maintain to the death, and the due consent and assent of us all have made our Prince and King. To him, as to the man by whom salvation has been wrought unto our people, we are bound both by law and by his merits that our freedom may be still maintained, and by him, come what may, we mean to stand. Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom — for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself. Therefore it is, Reverend Father and Lord, that we beseech your Holiness with our most earnest prayers and suppliant hearts, inasmuch as you will in your sincerity and goodness consider all this, that, since with Him Whose vice-gerent on earth you are there is neither weighing nor distinction of Jew and Greek, Scotsman or Englishman, you will look with the eyes of a father on the troubles and privation brought by the English upon us and upon the Church of God. May it please you to admonish and exhort the King of the English, who ought to be satisfied with what belongs to him since England used once to be enough for seven kings or more, to leave us Scots in peace, who live in this poor little Scotland, beyond which there is no dwelling-place at all, and covet nothing but our own. We are sincerely willing to do anything for him, having regard to our condition, that we can, to win peace for ourselves. This truly concerns you, Holy Father, since you see the savagery of the heathen raging against the Christians, as the sins of Christians have indeed deserved, and the frontiers of Christendom being pressed inward every day; and how much it will tarnish your Holiness's memory if (which God forbid) the Church suffers eclipse or scandal in any branch of it during your time, you must perceive. Then rouse the Christian princes who for false reasons pretend that they cannot go to help of the Holy Land because of wars they have on hand with their neighbours. The real reason that prevents them is that in making war on their smaller neighbours they find quicker profit and weaker resistance. But how cheerfully our Lord the King and we too would go there if the King of the English would leave us in peace, He from Whom nothing is hidden well knows; and we profess and declare it to you as the Vicar of Christ and to all Christendom. But if your Holiness puts too much faith in the tales the English tell and will not give sincere belief to all this, nor refrain from favouring them to our prejudice, then the slaughter of bodies, the perdition of souls, and all the other misfortunes that will follow, inflicted by them on us and by us on them, will, we believe, be surely laid by the Most High to your charge. To conclude, we are and shall ever be, as far as duty calls us, ready to do your will in all things, as obedient sons to you as His Vicar; and to Him as the Supreme King and Judge we commit the maintenance of our cause, casting our cares upon Him and firmly trusting that He will inspire us with courage and bring our enemies to nought. May the Most High preserve you to his Holy Church in holiness and health and grant you length of days. Given at the monastery of Arbroath in Scotland on the sixth day of the month of April in the year of grace thirteen hundred and twenty and the fifteenth year of the reign of our King aforesaid. Endorsed: Letter directed to our Lord the Supreme Pontiff by the community of Scotland.
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The Declaration of Arbroath 1320 — English Translation Given at the monastery of Arbroath in Scotland on the sixth day of the month of April in the year of grace thirteen hundred and twenty and the fifteenth year of the reign of our King aforesaid. Scythians, eh? I didn't know that before. Thanks for posting the text. :) It's a very great work, imo, and this is one of the statements I like most: Declaration of Arbroath - Wikipedia [Some holes in the text at the Pic there] Generally believed to have been written in the Arbroath Abbey by Bernard of Kilwinning, then Chancellor of Scotland and Abbot of Arbroath, and sealed by fifty-one magnates and nobles, The Declaration was part of a broader diplomatic campaign which sought to assert Scotland's position as an independent kingdom, rather than being a feudal land controlled by England's Norman kings, as well as lift the excommunication of Robert the Bruce. The Pope had recognised Edward I of England's claim to overlordship of Scotland in 1305 and Bruce was excommunicated by the Pope for murdering [said King Edward I of England, Edit to add: in a letter to the Pope] John Comyn [his relative] before the altar in Greyfriars Church in Dumfries in 1306. A justification had to be given for the rejection of King John [Balliol] in whose name William Wallace and Andrew de Moray had rebelled in 1297. The reason given in the Declaration is that Bruce was able to defend Scotland from English aggression whereas, by implication, King John could not. Whatever the true motive, the idea of a contract between King and people was advanced to the Pope as [a reason] for Bruce's coronation whilst John de Balliol still lived in Papal custody The Pope heeded the arguments contained in the Declaration, influenced by the offer of support from the Scots for his long-desired crusade if they no longer had to fear English invasion. He exhorted Edward II in a letter to make peace with the Scots, but the following year was again persuaded by the English to take their side and issued six bulls to that effect. It was only in October 1328, after a short-lived peace treaty between Scotland and England, the Treaty of Edinburgh-Northampton (which renounced all English claims to Scotland and was signed by the new English king, Edward III, on 1 March 1328), that the interdict [exclusion from certain rites of the Church] on Scotland and the excommunication of its king were finally removed. The original copy of the Declaration that was sent to Avignon is lost. A copy of the Declaration survives among Scotland's state papers, held by the National Archives of Scotland in Edinburgh. The most widely known English language translation was made by Sir James Fergusson, formerly Keeper of the Records of Scotland, from text that he reconstructed using this extant copy and early copies of the original draft. Arbroath cross-reference at Post #11: A major search for the stone [of Scone/Destiny] was ordered by the British Government, but proved unsuccessful. The custodians left the Stone on the altar of Arbroath Abbey on 11 April 1951, in the safekeeping of the Church of Scotland. Edited to remove a comment and add one.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestEzekiel 38:1 And the word of þe Lord came vnto me, saying;
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Gomer is Germany. Watch for Germany to join in the fun (as an opponent) !
The eponymous Gomer, "standing for the whole family," as the compilers of the Jewish Encyclopedia expressed it,[1] is also mentioned in Book of Ezekiel 38:6 as the ally of Gog, the chief of the land of Magog.
I think most all of the people that the Hebrews warred against in those chronicles were related to them somehow and even their 12 tribes killed and warred against each other, which is why there were two divided kingdoms of those allied with Judah (which means "Praise") and the majority of others who were allied against it. I'll try when I have the time to link several Wikipedia sites that I looked through while trying to research some of the names you posted. For now, I thought it interesting that there was a Cimmerian correlation to a culture/place called Koban and Kobani is currently in the War news now [Edit to add: although it isn't the same location, afaik. Edited also to include a link above to Strong's Concordance].
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there was a Cimmerian correlation to a culture/place called Koban and Kobani is currently in the War news now [Edit to add: although it isn't the same location, afaik.
Koban culture (Northern Caucasus, 12th to 4th centuries BC)
Many, such as Amjad Jaimoukha, believe the Koban culture was primarily Nakh.[1]
13th–14th centuries Independence wars against Tatar-Mongol hordes and army of Tamerlane.
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In rabbinic literature, the kingdom of Ashkenaz was first associated with the Scythian region, then later with the Slavic territories,[1] and, from the 11th century onwards, with northern Europe and Germany.[2]
#11. To: GreyLmist (#10)
Just want to copy that link on Scythians here for more study later because it mentions the Caucasus region
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Me: Just want to copy that [Wikipedia] link on Scythians here for more study later because it mentions the Caucasus region
[Me: Located the posted excerpts at Stone of Scone - Wikipedia with a pic of the replica.
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Gene Scott's wife took his archives down after he passed away. He spoke on a multitude of topics and his fans/followers were continuously sending him books to read and then speak about.
The Honours of Scotland, also known as the Scottish Regalia and the Scottish Crown Jewels, dating from the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, are the oldest set of crown jewels in the British Isles.
According to the teachings of Dr. Gene Scott (Ph.D Stanford) the Stone of Destiny is originally Jacob's pillar stone (Genesis 28:18) also called the Shepherd Stone and the Stone of Israel (Genesis 49:24). The same rock that Moses strikes in Exodus 17:6 and Numbers 20:11 (c. 1413 B.C.).
Article excerpts: The Coronation ceremony appears to have been taken as directly as possible from the description in the Bible of the coronation of David and Solomon. The monarch is anointed with sacred oil by the Archbishop of Canterbury, trumpets sound, and the people shout "God Save the King" (1 Samuel 10:24, 1 Kings 1:39). The royal crown contains twelve jewels made of the same twelve stones which were in the breastplate of the high priest (Ex. 28:17-21). These similarities alone do not prove that the kings really are the royal blood of Israel, but such would be expected if the British throne is the continuation of the throne of David. Of course, the royalty also have extensive genealogies to prove their lineage.
[...] King Edward moved to arrest Bruce while Bruce was still at the English court. Fortunately for Bruce, his friend, and Edward's son-in-law, Ralph de Monthermer learnt of Edward's intention and warned Bruce by sending him twelve pence and a pair of spurs. Bruce took the hint, and he and a squire fled the English court during the night. They made their way quickly for Scotland [...]
there is some evidence that he left on a mission to the court of King Philip IV of France to plead the case for assistance in the Scottish struggle for independence. There is a surviving letter from the French king dated 7 November 1300 to his envoys in Rome demanding that they should help Sir William. It also suggests that Wallace may have intended to travel to Rome, although it is not known if he did. There is also a report from an English spy at a meeting of Scottish leaders, where they said Wallace was in France.
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Legend says that [William] Wallace did have a close friend called Stephen of Ireland. Legend states however that Wallace’s closest friend was a man known as Kerly. Of course there is no solid evidence that either Stephen of Ireland or Kerly really existed.
Wallace may have been betrayed by the Noblemen under John Comyn [aka? Stewart/Menteith], although there is no solid evidence of this, but not by fictional characters Mornay and Locklan. Comyn and his noble cavalry did indeed flee the field [at Falkirk] however, either by betrayal or fear, leaving the Scottish ranks of Schiltrons to be slaughtered by English arrows. Wallace was captured by the English at Rob Royston near Glasgow after being betrayed by John Menteith [aka? Comyn/Stewart], who was a Scotsman.
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familytreemaker.genealogy...en-Harper/GENE3-0001.html
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#27. To: GreyLmist (#25)
Below is the Declaration of Arbroath (The Scots) formerly Scythians !
Replies to Comment # 27. Below is the Declaration of Arbroath (The Scots) formerly Scythians !
May it please you to admonish and exhort the King of the English, who ought to be satisfied with what belongs to him since England used once to be enough for seven kings or more, to leave us Scots in peace
The Declaration of Arbroath is a declaration of Scottish independence, made in 1320. It is in the form of a letter in Latin submitted to Pope John XXII, dated 6 April 1320, intended to confirm Scotland's status as an independent, sovereign state and defending Scotland's right to use military action when unjustly attacked.
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