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Title: Justice Scalia Explains What Was Wrong With The Ferguson Grand Jury
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URL Source: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20 ... -with-the-ferguson-grand-jury/
Published: Nov 26, 2014
Author: JUDD LEGUM
Post Date: 2014-11-26 20:00:32 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 306
Comments: 51

On Monday, Prosecutor Bob McCulloch announced that a grand jury had decided not to indict Darren Wilson, the officer who killed Michael Brown. But that decision was the result of a process that turned the purpose of a grand jury on its head. Justice Antonin Scalia, in the 1992 Supreme Court case of United States v. Williams, explained what the role of a grand jury has been for hundreds of years.

It is the grand jury’s function not ‘to enquire … upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,’ or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine ‘upon what foundation [the charge] is made’ by the prosecutor. Respublica v. Shaffer, 1 Dall. 236 (O. T. Phila. 1788); see also F. Wharton, Criminal Pleading and Practice § 360, pp. 248-249 (8th ed. 1880). As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented.

This passage was first highlighted by attorney Ian Samuel, a former clerk to Justice Scalia.

In contrast, McCulloch allowed Wilson to testify for hours before the grand jury and presented them with every scrap of exculpatory evidence available. In his press conference, McCulloch said that the grand jury did not indict because eyewitness testimony that established Wilson was acting in self-defense was contradicted by other exculpatory evidence. What McCulloch didn’t say is that he was under no obligation to present such evidence to the grand jury. The only reason one would present such evidence is to reduce the chances that the grand jury would indict Darren Wilson.

Compare Justice Scalia’s description of the role of the grand jury to what the prosecutors told the Ferguson grand jury before they started their deliberations:

And you must find probable cause to believe that Darren Wilson did not act in lawful self-defense and you must find probable cause to believe that Darren Wilson did not use lawful force in making an arrest. If you find those things, which is kind of like finding a negative, you cannot return an indictment on anything or true bill unless you find both of those things. Because both are complete defenses to any offense and they both have been raised in his, in the evidence.

As Justice Scalia explained the evidence to support these “complete defenses,” including Wilson’s testimony, was only included by McCulloch by ignoring how grand juries historically work.

There were several eyewitness accounts that strongly suggested Wilson did not act in self-defense. McCulloch could have, and his critics say should have, presented that evidence to the grand jury and likely returned an indictment in days, not months. It’s a low bar, which is why virtually all grand juries return indictments. But McCulloch chose a different path.

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#2. To: Ada (#0) (Edited)

There were several eyewitness accounts that strongly suggested Wilson did not act in self-defense.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/078c82ad45ff4ec6aa1c7744dfa7df14/grand-jury- documents-rife-inconsistencies

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — Some witnesses said Michael Brown had been shot in the back. Another said he was lying face-down when Officer Darren Wilson finished him off. Still others acknowledged changing their stories to fit published details about the autopsy, or admitted that they didn't see the shooting at all.

An Associated Press review of thousands of pages of grand jury documents reveals numerous examples of statements made during the shooting investigation that were inconsistent, fabricated or provably wrong. For one, the autopsies ultimately showed Brown wasn't struck by any bullets in his back.

Prosecutors exposed these inconsistencies before the jurors, which likely influenced their decision not to indict Wilson in Brown's death.

Bob McCulloch, the St. Louis County prosecutor, said the grand jury had to weigh testimony that conflicted with physical evidence and conflicting statements by witnesses as it decided whether Wilson should face charges.

"Many witnesses to the shooting of Michael Brown made statements inconsistent with other statements they made and also conflicting with the physical evidence. Some were completely refuted by the physical evidence," McCulloch said.

X-15  posted on  2014-11-26   20:14:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: X-15, lod, cynicom, ada, jethro tull (#2)

"Many witnesses to the shooting of Michael Brown made statements inconsistent with other statements they made and also conflicting with the physical evidence. Some were completely refuted by the physical evidence," McCulloch said

I haven't followed this case and arent that interested in it, other than to say the grand jury looked at a heck of a lot of evidence and if they concluded that the cop shouldn't be charged, I believe it.

I just have one point to make on one aspect and that is, the people who supposedly gave false evidence might not have purposely done so. I wouldn't assume that a witness gave false evidence. the reason is this:

Ive seen two crimes where 'what I saw' was not what was. that doesn't mean I was making shit up, and I don't think im an unreliable witness,. the first one was I was behind a car which was going southbound on a green light. after they entered the intersection a westbound car came barreling through the intersection and broadsided them, nearly knocking the car upside down. it was incredible, right before my eyes. there were kids in the car, serious inuries, etc.

when the cop came I said that the victim car was definitely on the green light, which was true. but then the cop informed me that the southbound victim car actually hit the westbound car, not vice versa. the physical evidence proved it.

well that was true but the fact is that the southbound car hit the westbound car because the westbound car ran the red light and drove so fast right in front of the innocent southbound car. I was wrong in who hit who, but not in the fact that the SB car didn't run any red light because I was right behind him and the light was green. My point is, This doesn't mean I was making shit up or purposely lying to anyone, as a witness.

The 2nd crime I saw was an armed robbery. this black guy wearing a mask walked in to a restaurant and held up a knife to the cashier, took the money and left. two black guys who were sitting at the counter in the restaurant told police that the robber was white. I thought they must have been in on it to push the leads in a false way.

the very next week, the restaurant was robbed in the exact same MO by the very same robber, who was killed by an off duty cop who happen to be eating in the restaurant. turned out that the robber wasn't a black guy at all, it was a skinny white guy, just like the two black witnesses had said the previous week.

The interesting thing is that after the first robbery, three Asians who were at the table near me had said the perp was a black guy too.

so the white and Asians saw a black robber, and the blacks saw a white robber. yet it was the same guy. none of us were making shit up or 'lying to cops'. its just that people are sometimes mistaken in what they see. lol

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#35. To: Artisan (#12)

A white guy with a dark tan in shadows can appear black from a distance. The black guys sitting at the counter were closer and that is why they knew he was white.

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