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Title: Justice Scalia Explains What Was Wrong With The Ferguson Grand Jury
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URL Source: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20 ... -with-the-ferguson-grand-jury/
Published: Nov 26, 2014
Author: JUDD LEGUM
Post Date: 2014-11-26 20:00:32 by Ada
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Views: 359
Comments: 51

On Monday, Prosecutor Bob McCulloch announced that a grand jury had decided not to indict Darren Wilson, the officer who killed Michael Brown. But that decision was the result of a process that turned the purpose of a grand jury on its head. Justice Antonin Scalia, in the 1992 Supreme Court case of United States v. Williams, explained what the role of a grand jury has been for hundreds of years.

It is the grand jury’s function not ‘to enquire … upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,’ or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine ‘upon what foundation [the charge] is made’ by the prosecutor. Respublica v. Shaffer, 1 Dall. 236 (O. T. Phila. 1788); see also F. Wharton, Criminal Pleading and Practice § 360, pp. 248-249 (8th ed. 1880). As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented.

This passage was first highlighted by attorney Ian Samuel, a former clerk to Justice Scalia.

In contrast, McCulloch allowed Wilson to testify for hours before the grand jury and presented them with every scrap of exculpatory evidence available. In his press conference, McCulloch said that the grand jury did not indict because eyewitness testimony that established Wilson was acting in self-defense was contradicted by other exculpatory evidence. What McCulloch didn’t say is that he was under no obligation to present such evidence to the grand jury. The only reason one would present such evidence is to reduce the chances that the grand jury would indict Darren Wilson.

Compare Justice Scalia’s description of the role of the grand jury to what the prosecutors told the Ferguson grand jury before they started their deliberations:

And you must find probable cause to believe that Darren Wilson did not act in lawful self-defense and you must find probable cause to believe that Darren Wilson did not use lawful force in making an arrest. If you find those things, which is kind of like finding a negative, you cannot return an indictment on anything or true bill unless you find both of those things. Because both are complete defenses to any offense and they both have been raised in his, in the evidence.

As Justice Scalia explained the evidence to support these “complete defenses,” including Wilson’s testimony, was only included by McCulloch by ignoring how grand juries historically work.

There were several eyewitness accounts that strongly suggested Wilson did not act in self-defense. McCulloch could have, and his critics say should have, presented that evidence to the grand jury and likely returned an indictment in days, not months. It’s a low bar, which is why virtually all grand juries return indictments. But McCulloch chose a different path.

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#2. To: Ada (#0) (Edited)

There were several eyewitness accounts that strongly suggested Wilson did not act in self-defense.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/078c82ad45ff4ec6aa1c7744dfa7df14/grand-jury- documents-rife-inconsistencies

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — Some witnesses said Michael Brown had been shot in the back. Another said he was lying face-down when Officer Darren Wilson finished him off. Still others acknowledged changing their stories to fit published details about the autopsy, or admitted that they didn't see the shooting at all.

An Associated Press review of thousands of pages of grand jury documents reveals numerous examples of statements made during the shooting investigation that were inconsistent, fabricated or provably wrong. For one, the autopsies ultimately showed Brown wasn't struck by any bullets in his back.

Prosecutors exposed these inconsistencies before the jurors, which likely influenced their decision not to indict Wilson in Brown's death.

Bob McCulloch, the St. Louis County prosecutor, said the grand jury had to weigh testimony that conflicted with physical evidence and conflicting statements by witnesses as it decided whether Wilson should face charges.

"Many witnesses to the shooting of Michael Brown made statements inconsistent with other statements they made and also conflicting with the physical evidence. Some were completely refuted by the physical evidence," McCulloch said.

X-15  posted on  2014-11-26   20:14:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: X-15 (#2)

I thought McCulloch did a good job. It is not the job of a prosecutor to indict ham sandwiches or people they have plenty of reason to believe are not guilty of the charges. The good ones seek only justice and I think that is what he did in this case.

Good post by the way.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-11-26   23:33:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: James Deffenbach (#10)

I thought McCulloch did a good job.

A prosecutor who convicts a cop will never convict another person because the thin blue line will not cooperate with him. McCulloch essentially presented a defense for the cop through enormous amounts of testimony.

McDulloch, like all prosecutors, has to protect the cop unless the law enforcement community wishes otherwise.

Ada  posted on  2014-11-27   9:25:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ada (#16)

A prosecutor who convicts a cop

Prosecutors don't convict anyone, jurors do.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-11-27   10:25:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: James Deffenbach (#23)

Prosecutors can take a dive when they wish and withhold evidence.

Ada  posted on  2014-11-28   12:09:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ada (#29)

Prosecutors can take a dive when they wish and withhold evidence.

Are you suggesting that is what happened with this particular GJ?? If so, please cite proof and your source.

X-15  posted on  2014-11-28   12:27:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: X-15 (#30)

Are you suggesting that is what happened with this particular GJ?? If so, please cite proof and your source

Not at all. This prosecutor didn't withhold anything that I am aware of. What he did was introduce exculpatory evidence which was not his job.

Ada  posted on  2014-11-28   14:55:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ada (#36)

Not at all. This prosecutor didn't withhold anything that I am aware of. What he did was introduce exculpatory evidence which was not his job.

So then is it the job of the prosecutor to only present evidence against someone, assuming they have any, and nothing which might show that any charges brought will be a waste of time and money? I imagine he could have gotten an indictment if he just got people to testify to the grand jury that they saw things that didn't happen and stuff like that. Is that his job?

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-11-28   14:58:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: James Deffenbach (#40)

The prosecutor makes a charge. If he believes the accused is not guilty, he should n't make the charge.

Ada  posted on  2014-11-29   10:46:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#47. To: Ada (#45)

The prosecutor presents the evidence to the GJ who then make a charge (true-bill), or decline to charge (no-bill) the suspect.

Lod  posted on  2014-11-29 11:00:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Ada (#45)

The prosecutor makes a charge. If he believes the accused is not guilty, he should n't make the charge.

You know, as well as the rest of us, that the politics of that case just about forced the prosecutor to present the case to the grand jury. After Eric Holder and Obama opened up their pie holes and the rioters were out threatening to burn the town down and kill people, do you think he had any choice to do other than what he did? And unless I misunderstood something he didn't actually "charge" anyone with anything other than laying out the options on several counts, all of which the grand jury said (through their vote of no true bill) that that was all irrelevant.

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