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Title: Officer Darren Wilson's story is unbelievable. Literally.
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URL Source: http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side
Published: Nov 27, 2014
Author: Ezra Klein
Post Date: 2014-11-27 07:48:13 by Ada
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Views: 1876
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We've finally heard from Officer Darren Wilson. Wilson had been publicly silent since the events of August 9, when he shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. And, even as the grand jury announced its decision not to indict him, he remained silent. He had his attorneys release a statement on his behalf. But on Monday night, St. Louis County prosecutor Robert McCulloch released the evidence given to the grand jury, including the interview police did with Wilson in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. And so we got to read, for the first time, Wilson's full, immediate account of his altercation with Brown. And it is unbelievable. I mean that in the literal sense of the term: "difficult or impossible to believe." But I want to be clear here. I'm not saying Wilson is lying. I'm not saying his testimony is false. I am saying that the events, as he describes them, are simply bizarre. His story is difficult to believe. The story Wilson tells goes like this: At about noon on August 9th, Wilson hears on the radio that there's a theft in progress at the Ferguson Market. The suspect is a black male in a black shirt. Moments later, Wilson sees two young black men walking down the yellow stripe in the center of the street. He pulls over. "Hey guys, why don't you walk on the sidewalk?" They refuse. "We're almost at our destination," one of them replies. Wilson tries again. "But what's wrong with the sidewalk?" he asks. And then things get weird. Brown's response to "what's wrong with the sidewalk?", as recorded by Wilson, is "fuck what you have to say." Remember, Wilson is a uniformed police officer, in a police car, and Brown is an 18-year-old kid who just committed a robbery. And when asked to use the sidewalk, Wilson says Brown replied, "Fuck what you have to say." WILSON SAYS BROWN REPLIED, "FUCK WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY." Wilson backs his car up and begins to open the door. "Hey, come here," he said to the kid who just cursed at him. He says Brown replied, "What the fuck you gonna do?" And then Brown, in Wilson's telling, slams the car door closed. Wilson tries to open the door again, tells Brown to get back, and then Brown leans into the vehicle and begins punching him. michael brown casket Photos surround Michael Brown's casket in Ferguson, MO. (Richard Perry- Pool/Getty Images) Let's take a breath and recap. Wilson sees two young black men walking in the middle of the street. He pulls over and politely asks them to use the sidewalk. They refuse. He asks again, still polite. Brown tells Wilson — again, a uniformed police officer in a police car — "fuck what you have to say." Wilson stops his car, tries to get out, and Brown slams the car door on him and then begins punching him through the open window. What happens next is the most unbelievable moment in the narrative. And so it's probably best that I just quote Wilson's account at length on it. I was doing the, just scrambling, trying to get his arms out of my face and him from grabbing me and everything else. He turned to his...if he's at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He said, "here, take these." He was holding a pack of — several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store was several packs of cigarillos. He said, "here, hold these" and when he did that I grabbed his right arm trying just to control something at that point. Um, as I was holding it, and he came around, he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his...a full swing from his left hand. So Brown is punching inside the car. Wilson is scrambling to deflect the blows, to protect his face, to regain control of the situation. And then Brown stops, turns to his left, says to his friend, "Here, hold these," and hands him the cigarillos stolen from Ferguson Market. Then he turns back to Wilson and, with his left hand now freed from holding the contraband goods, throws a haymaker at Wilson. Every bullshit detector in me went off when I read that passage. Which doesn't mean that it didn't happen exactly the way Wilson describes. But it is, again, hard to imagine. Brown, an 18-year-old kid holding stolen goods, decides to attack a cop and, while attacking him, stops, hands his stolen goods to his friend, and then returns to the beatdown. It reads less like something a human would do and more like a moment meant to connect Brown to the robbery. Wilson next recounts his thought process as he reached for a weapon. He considered using his mace, but at such close range, the mace might get in his eyes, too. He doesn't carry a taser with a fireable cartridge, but even if he did, "it probably wouldn't have hit [Brown] anywhere". Wilson couldn't reach his baton or his flashlight. So he went for his gun. Brown sees him go for the gun. And he replies: "You're too much of a fucking pussy to shoot me." "YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A FUCKING PUSSY TO SHOOT ME." Again, stop for a moment and think about that. Brown is punching Wilson, sees the terrified cop reaching for his gun, and says "You're too much of a fucking pussy to shoot me." He dares him to shoot. michael brown sign A protestors holds up a sign saying "don't shoot". (Joe Raedle/Getty Images) And then Brown grabs Wilson's gun, twists it, and points it at Wilson's "pelvic area". Wilson regains control of the firearm and gets off a shot, shattering the glass. Brown backs up a half step and, realizing he's unharmed, dives back into the car to attack Wilson. Wilson fires again, and then Brown takes off running. (You can see the injuries Wilson sustained from the fight in these photographs.) Wilson exits the car to give chase. He yells at Brown to get down on the ground. Here, I'm going to go back to Wilson's words: When he stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a grunting noise and had the most intense, aggressive face I've ever seen on a person. When he looked at me, he then did like the hop...you know, like people do to start running. And, he started running at me. During his first stride, he took his right hand put it under his shirt into his waistband. And I ordered him to stop and get on the ground again. He didn't. I fired multiple shots. After I fired the multiple shots, I paused a second, yelled at him to get on the ground again, he was still in the same state. Still charging, hand still in his waistband, hadn't slowed down. The stuff about Brown putting his hand in his waistband is meant to suggest that Wilson had reason to believe Brown might pull a gun. But it's strange. We know Brown didn't have a gun. And that's an odd fact to obscure while charging a police officer. Either way, at that point, Wilson shoots again, and kills Brown. There are inconsistencies in Wilson's story. He estimates that Brown ran 20-30 feet away from the car and then charged another 10 feet back towards Wilson. But we know Brown died 150 feet away from the car. There are also consistencies. St Louis prosecutor Robert McCulloch said that Brown's DNA was found inside Wilson's car, suggesting there was a physical altercation inside the vehicle. We know shots were fired from inside the car. We know Brown's bullet wounds show he was only hit from the front, never from the back. But the larger question is, in a sense, simpler: Why? Why did Michael Brown, an 18-year-old kid headed to college, refuse to move from the middle of the street to the sidewalk? Why would he curse out a police officer? Why would he attack a police officer? Why would he dare a police officer to shoot him? Why would he charge a police officer holding a gun? Why would he put his hand in his waistband while charging, even though he was unarmed? NONE OF THIS FITS WITH WHAT WE KNOW OF MICHAEL BROWN None of this fits with what we know of Michael Brown. Brown wasn't a hardened felon. He didn't have a death wish. And while he might have been stoned, this isn't how stoned people act. The toxicology report did not indicate he was on PCP or something that would've led to suicidal aggression. Which doesn't mean Wilson is a liar. Unbelievable things happen every day. The fact that his story raises more questions than it answers doesn't mean it isn't true. But the point of a trial would have been to try to answer these questions. We would have either found out if everything we thought we knew about Brown was wrong, or if Wilson's story was flawed in important ways. But now we're not going to get that chance. We're just left with Wilson's unbelievable story. More: Michael Brown spent his last day with his friend Dorian Johnson. Johnson was also there when Officer Wilson stopped Brown. Here's where Johnson's testimony corroborates, and diverges, from Wilson's account.
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#25. To: Ada, jethro tull, lod, titorite (#0)
Here are a few articles that cant be accused of being written or promoted by 'lefties', but may raise some specific issues regarding this case. No, Ferguson Isn’t About “White Privilege”http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/no-ferguson-isnt-about-white- privilege/ Darren Wilson and the Protocols of Official Exoneration "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan, the above is from your first article. Frankly if he/she refused to be named I can't put much stock in the article. I'll get to the others later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnoZ2whIa_c&feature=youtu.be You won't hear a word about this on MSM. What if Ted Nugent were to joke about "killing niggers in their sleep"? MSM and liberals everywhere would be so outraged they would hunt him down. I'm so sick of these racists and the acceptance of it by cowardice political correctness. To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.
If I go into a high-end tobacco shop and lift a handful of Montecristo cigars and force my way past the shop staff out the front door I can damn well expect the cops to show up looking for me. And I sure won't challenge a cop to keep those cigars, either. Maybe I'm just smarter than a garden-variety nigger???
Darren Wilson and the Reality of "Blue Privilege"
William Norman Grigg
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2014/11/darren- wilson-and-reality-of-blue.html
William Norman Grigg http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/darren-wilson-and- the-protocols-of-official-exoneration/
#26. To: Artisan (#25)
That unnamed sergeant, most likely, was the supervisor who had told Darren Wilson to leave the scene after the shooter told him that Brown had tried to take his gun.
#27. To: All (#26)
Rap Star 'Jokes' About 'Killing Crackers' in Their Sleep
#28. To: GreyLmist (#19)
one of them who didn't know they were robbery suspects
-Alex Kurtagic
#29. To: christine (#27)
Well said. I'm so sick of these racists and the acceptance of it by cowardice political correctness.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#30. To: Jethro Tull, X-15, Lod (#20)
Withdrawing the satirical version at Post #19.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#31. To: X-15 (#28) (Edited)
The store film didn't show a shoplifting and Brown wasn't the one accused of that. His friend in the black shirt was the police report suspect, who was only shown putting something down on the counter and walking away from it. The film shows Brown waiting at the counter and a female store clerk walking from the cooler, then going behind the counter as if to ring up his purchase at the register. I can't tell from the film if the shopkeeper tried to physically stop either of them before reaching the door where he is seen to try to detain them for whatever reason. The cop didn't confront them as shoplifting suspects and there was no challenge of the cop to keep the cigars. Those are the facts of the case. Do they matter or not? If they don't matter here or elsewhere as much as racial factors, I wouldn't want to impugn the intelligence of anyone here about that, however much I wouldn't want to see a courtroom jury stacked so. You tell me how smart it is for Whites to turn in lockstep on their own for nonconformity of opinion but also rail about Blacks and their racial identity locksteppings instead of being more objectively fair and unbiased. Edited next to last sentence. If I go into a high-end tobacco shop and lift a handful of Montecristo cigars and force my way past the shop staff out the front door I can damn well expect the cops to show up looking for me. And I sure won't challenge a cop to keep those cigars, either. Maybe I'm just smarter than a garden-variety nigger???
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#32. To: Cynicom (#5)
I'm glad the POS is dead, I lived in St. Louis for years, have been through Ferguson many times, and this went down just as the officer described. And I'm not a supporter of the police.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
Witness your adoration of Trayvon "Skittles" Martin. I support the defense of the innocent and justice for the guilty. Thats the truth. And I do not support police brutality regardless of the color of the person they're killing. You don't get it but if your cool with them killing blacks just because they're black then you're just plain comfortable with the police state and police brutality period. What they do to blacks they'll do to whites and mexicans. Cops don't discriminate, They'll kill anyone for any reason. And then they'll get away with it. That's not a good thing. Truth be known, you also don't support White civilians defending themselves against Black thugs.
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#34. To: christine (#27)
I like Watson, he does great work,. However this is not a proper characterization of the woman's tweets. Ive never heard of her and don't listen to that crap, but I looked up her tweets and read all of them., and theres a lot of them. Her tweets would be as if ted nugent said "I hate this police abuse by black women cops. it makes me hate black women. I know that hatred doesn't make sense, but it is how I feel. And the craziest part is that I love screwing black women, LOL! I may have to kill one of these negresses in their sleep! Lol, just kidding. but seriously, this police abuse shit has got to stop." That is literally exactly what this 23 yr old black rapper said. a lot before and after was left out of what she said and to characterize it as her simply saying she wants to kill crackers is very stupid and disingenuous. You're right that the media would have crucified any white guy who said such things, but that doesn't mean that the PC thought police (on the RIGHT this time though, instead of on the left) should freak out because of a stupid comment. I was raised around blacks and maybe that's why all this super, super, extreme sensitivity about words , bad names, and tweets is completely foreign to me. 'Oh im gonna wring my hands and cry woe-is- meee, because some nigger said she might have to kill some cracker she just screwed, because after all, she loves sleeping with them!" That is so retarded, lol! Watson is way off the mark here.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#35. To: titorite (#33)
No you don't. You reject legal outcomes (Trayvon & Wilson) based on a lack of knowledge. You emote rather than research. I support the defense of the innocent and justice for the guilty.
#36. To: Turtle (#32)
Do you need both hands to hold that brain up? PS: Don't let the late night callers to Art Bell get to you. They can be amusing.
#37. To: GreyLmist (#31)
The store film didn't show a shoplifting and Brown wasn't the one accused of that. His friend in the black shirt was the police report suspect, who was only shown putting something down on the counter and walking away from it. The film shows Brown waiting at the counter and a female store clerk walking from the cooler, then going behind the counter as if to ring up his purchase at the register. I can't tell from the film if the shopkeeper tried to physically stop either of them before reaching the door where he is seen to try to detain them for whatever reason. The cop didn't confront them as shoplifting suspects and there was no challenge of the cop to keep the cigars. Those are the facts of the case. Do they matter or not? If they don't matter here or elsewhere as much as racial factors, I wouldn't want to impugn the intelligence of anyone here about that, however much I wouldn't want to see a courtroom jury stacked so. You tell me how smart it is for Whites to turn in lockstep on their own for nonconformity of opinion but also rail about Blacks and their racial identity locksteppings instead of being more objectively fair and unbiased. Edited next to last sentence. I gotta admit I saw something different. I saw a black man reaching over the counter where he shouldn't be reaching and taking a whole case of cigarlleos(blunts), Grape flavored as indicated by the purple package. He removes one pack at least of blunts before spilling several out. I see him bend over to the ground and fumble with something, presumably picking about more of those blunts, then he replaces the box onto the counter. The store clerk that was originally portrayed as a woman is in fact a man. A hindu indian male. He came flying around that corner looking like he was telling them "no no no you cant do that" The black male shoves him out of his way as he makes his exit, when further confronted by the hindu the black male takes an aggressive step to the hindu where , at that point it likes like Mr Hindu changes his mind about confronting this tall fat fellow.... Black male leaves, HIndu goes outsides, watches them leave with a hand full of those blunts. (checking which direction they where headed most logically) and goes back inside , presumably to call the cops. NOw problems I have with this video Begin at the resolution. My five megapixle digicam has better resolution than this quicki mart cam. Why is it such low res in such a high crime area? Where is the rest of the footage from the first Point of view ? Another problem I have is with the Face. But maybe that is just present because of the poor resolution. Another problem I have is taking the video at face value as it is. Running with this video being legitimate and unaltered ... That was strong arm robbery of property less than 20 bucks. A nasty crime that needs justice BUT: No weapon involved. Darren Wilson doesn't have any evidence of being in a fight. Those rosy cheeks of his doesn't cut it in my book. No black eyes, no bruises, no cuts, no swelling , no evidence of being punched. No evidence of being involved in a fight. Brown is reported as running away. Still weaponsless. He was shot dead unarmed running away. This was not justice, it was murder. Wilson did not uphold the law and catch his suspect, He just strait up shot him to death. It is a story that is all to common these days.
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#38. To: Jethro Tull (#35)
Even though you try to put words in my mouth and tell lies about what I reject, It just aint so. And I'm not talking about Trayvon because that was a totally different case. I do my research. Extensively and analytically. YOU are the one emoteing with hatred and disregard. I don't really care about what breed of human is involved. I care about the circumstances and events of the incident. You don't shoot an unarmed man running away. Thats not standing your ground , thats murder. And as for trayvon,.... You really don't do your research there. That boy begged for the last minutes of his life. Since the incident Zimmerman has been involved in a few domestic assaults, Toured the gun factory that made the gun he killed with, and it is not possible to made drugs out of skittles and arizona ice tea... thats foolishness. The kind of foolishness emoted by ignorant people hung up on convicted on color and not on evidence. In the case of Trayvon, He was just walking home and was chased down by a civilian. He had no weapon on him. Brown may of been walking away from the scene of a crime he committed but he too was unarmed. Shot dead by real police. Tamir rice didn't live 3 seconds once police rolled up on him and opened fire. What they do to blacks, they'll do to whites. I'm not hating myself or betraying my race or any sillyness like that, I'm looking at the facts as they are and as they are, cops are killing unarmed people and getting away with it. I don't support that. No you don't. You reject legal outcomes (Trayvon & Wilson) based on a lack of knowledge. You emote rather than research.
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#39. To: All (#34)
here is the white cracker black chick, in action. Lmao! WARNING, not for the easily offended or faint of heart. http://www.complex.com/music/2013/02/quote-of-the-day-azealia-banks-swears-that- the-media-wont-tear-her-down Quote of the Day: Azealia Banks Swears That the Media Won't Tear Her Down Feb 19, 2013 “It's kinda bullshit, I feel it's kinda like hypocritical. For some reason this word faggot is still so offensive, it's just strange to see why. There are all kinds of people who are against the N-word in hip hop music, there are all kinds of people who are against hip hop music in general because they see it as a negative influence on African American culture, you know what i mean? Why are all these other things like murder and sex and violence and all these other things accepted, but as soon as I call one gay white man a faggot, his feelings are more important… Freedom of speech, you know, and with freedom of speech comes the freedom to be offended, you know? Fuck being a faggot, fuck being a nigger. Fuck being whatever. There are such bigger problems… and then you've got organizations like GLAAD, which are fucking complete bullshit. I mean let's look at it, it's gay and lesbian alliance against defamation, or whatever…. that's what it stands for, right? I mean would you agree that homosexuals, and the homosexual community, have bigger problems than the word faggot, you know what I mean? Some people are Satanists, some people are Christians, some people are Jews, Buddhists, you know what I mean? Some people are still Nazis… there are some people who are still KKK members… Come on people, please. If you're trying to call me a homophobe, you're basically trying to imply that I’m insulting you for having sex with men. I have sex with men too – what the fuck? I have sex with men and women, do I have to take a picture of my licking a fucking pussy? What the fuck! It doesn't make any sense. It's so stupid. It's so stupid and it's so evil. And it's just like this stupid fucking media shit, you know what I mean? It's the media shit. And this is why I go about myself the way the way I go about myself, and I do whatever the fuck I want. If the media is going to build me up to tear me down, you motherfuckers are not going to tear me down. I just make these fucking raps, and I'm just gonna wear these outfits, and fucking live my life. I can't deal with you motherfuckers, I don't have time for this shit. The fact that we're even having this conversation means that it's gone on too long. It's just like, no. You know what I mean? Let's talk about something else. This is just going to go in circles, you know what I mean? In “212,” when I'm talking about licking pussy, and I'm like, outing the fag on “212,” come on, let's get over it. I mean end of fucking discussion. Next.” — Azealia Banks on her use of slurs in her ongoing feud with Baauer and Diplo over her "Harlem Shake" remix
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#40. To: titorite (#38)
No you don't. In your #37 you describe the store owner in the vid as a "hindu indian male." Please tell us where this came from. Also the three autopsies dispute your claim that Brown was shot in the back. I do my research. Extensively and analytically.
#41. To: titorite (#38)
Evidently you don't care enough about the "circumstances and events" to assign any blame to the self-inflicted behavior of the darkies when they come into contact with armed White people who refuse to let themselves get beat to death (Zimmerman, Wilson, etc.). I care about the circumstances and events of the incident.
-Alex Kurtagic
#42. To: Dead Culture Watch (#23)
I have seen white men act that way, does that mean I should automatically believe all white men have a tendency to do this? Come on, if you can't leave race out of it then your judgement is already clouded. I guess some here have never seen a black man act like he was the meanest guy on the planet and indestructable.
God is always good!
#43. To: titorite (#37)
No evidence at all. You would think that if the police force was trying to save him from charges they would have at least made sure he had a few bruises on his face before taking those pictures. Darren Wilson doesn't have any evidence of being in a fight. Those rosy cheeks of his doesn't cut it in my book. No black eyes, no bruises, no cuts, no swelling , no evidence of being punched. No evidence of being involved in a fight.
God is always good!
#44. To: christine (#27) (Edited)
The racists are on both sides. We only see the black side the most on TV because it is used to turn more white people racist as well. This is the work of the ADL, AIPAC, and other Jewish groups bent on keeping the focus off of themselves while they rob us blind with insurance premiums, false flag attacks, and wars for their profit. I'm so sick of these racists and the acceptance of it by cowardice political correctness.
God is always good!
#45. To: RickyJ (#44)
Reply of the day - thanks. The racists are on both sides. We only see the black side the most on TV because it is used to turn more white people racist as well. This is the work of the ADL, AIPAC, and other Jewish groups bent on keeping the focus off of themselves while they rob us blind with insurance premiums, false flag attacks, and wars for their profit.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#46. To: Jethro Tull (#40)
The Video come from Youtube Courtesy of the BBC and Youtube user Daboo7 I call the store owner a "Hindu Indian" To specify india indian and not native american indian. But for all I know he could be pakistani. www.motherjones.com/polit...ng-michael-brown-shooting Regardless of whatever, HE was still unarmed. Resorting to lethal force to a non lethal threat is unacceptable. He did not call for back up, He did not use mace or his club. There never was any report of weapons being involved anywhere. I ain't calling anyone a saint. And I'm not excusing the murder just because the victim was a black and the assailant was a white cop. That same white cop would just as easily put a bullet into you or me if he felt like it. And he would get away with it just as easily. In there minds if it is ok to kill one kind of person then it is ok to kill any kind of person. In your #37 you describe the store owner in the vid as a "hindu indian male." Please tell us where this came from.
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#47. To: RickyJ (#42)
Bullshit. For he 10th time, it's ALL about race. My proof? Had Wilson been Black and Brown White, this would have been a non-event. Lose the PC, it's apt to get you killed. Come on, if you can't leave race out of it then your judgement is already clouded.
#48. To: titorite (#46)
I repeat.... In your #37 you describe the store owner in the vid as a "hindu indian male." Please tell us where this came from. Also the three autopsies dispute your claim that Brown was shot in the back. This isn't the stuff of the expert research capabilities you claim to possess.
#49. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
Baden said on TV yesterday that his autopsy on Brown was conclusive with the other two autopsies and there were no wounds in the back. The Brown family hired him. Wilson has said he will never return to work for the city. Also the three autopsies dispute your claim that Brown was shot in the back.
#50. To: Jethro Tull (#47)
That's the truth! And you wouldn't have seen Holder running out there to Ferguson either and wouldn't have had the Kenyan yammering on and on about something he knew less than nothing about. Fact is, neither of them would have given a $#it if the shooter had been black and the victim white. Had Wilson been Black and Brown White, this would have been a non-event.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#51. To: James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull (#50)
There are far too many people here that cannot or will not grasp that fact. There will someday be a terrible awakening for them. Fact is, neither of them would have given a $#it if the shooter had been black and the victim white.
#52. To: Cynicom (#49)
Cyni, you and I, having been around politics for many decades, know that if Brown were shot in the back, the full weight of Holder's Justice Dept & Obama's White House would have landed squarely in Wilson's lap. This isn't rocket science, it's simple street smarts most of us on 4um have. This topic, unfortunately, has exposed those who haven't a clue we've enter round one of a racial street brawl. Baden said on TV yesterday that his autopsy on Brown was conclusive with the other two autopsies and there were no wounds in the back.
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#50)
#50: So damn true, JD. I'm sick of the simpering Whites who beg people to reject the racial aspect of this case. It's all about race as are mostly anything Sharpton, Jackson, Holder and Obama involve themselves in. It's stunning to read the comments of some Whites. Are they afraid to speak out against anti-White bigotry on display, or are they 30 years younger than we are and totally mind fucked by the media & their peers?
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#52)
For those that sleep well every night, without a care or concern, we have in front of us two long years of waiting, of anticipation, of worry about what is to come. There is now visible hatred all around us. Some need to open their eyes and their minds as to what the future will bring. This topic, unfortunately, has exposed those who haven't a clue we've enter round one of a racial street brawl.
#55. To: Cynicom (#54)
So very true. There is now visible hatred all around us. Some need to open their eyes and their minds as to what the future will bring.
#56. To: Jethro Tull (#55)
Obama, Holder and the other race whores keep ranting about the anger in the black community, because of their oppression. It has never been anger, it has always been hatred towards whitey. Whitey is the enemy, the cause of all my problems. That is not going to change, ever. The masses are now dependent "children" hellbent on destroying.
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#48) (Edited)
I notice. I've given you the exact details and you have seen fit to follow the juvenile route of disregarding the information you asked for in favor of repeating yourself like a donkey. Jethro, I define myself by more than my hatred of others. And At the end of the day, the man remains unarmed. And you do not shoot to kill an unarmed man when you have multiple options at your disposal such as following proper procedure and requesting back up, Using your mace and club, the Gun is not a toy Jethro, it is the option of LAST RESORT. Cops are not judge jury and executioners. Daren Wilson was not injured as he claimed, their was no evidence of it, zero, zilch. Excusing this murder based on the mans skin color is just begging to be the next victim. It's self destructive crazyness. But you probably can't let rational interfere with your hatred of niggers so how about we stop wasting words on each other. I repeat....
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#58. To: titorite (#57)
So the great investigator decides to take a power. I can't say I blame you. Between Trayvon and Brown you are 0 for 2. with your hatred of niggers so how about we stop wasting words on each other.
#59. To: Cynicom (#56)
It has never been anger, it has always been hatred towards whitey. Bingo, and the little faggy White boyz haven't a clue what awaits them. Obama, Holder and the other race whores keep ranting about the anger in the black community, because of their oppression.
#60. To: Cynicom (#59)
Check out the communist rally in Ferguson. www.ustream.tv/channel/ne...tm_content=20141128194202
#61. To: titorite (#37) (Edited)
Edited next to last sentence. You: I gotta admit I saw something different. I saw a black man reaching over the counter where he shouldn't be reaching and taking a whole case of cigarlleos(blunts), Grape flavored as indicated by the purple package. He removes one pack at least of blunts before spilling several out. I see him bend over to the ground and fumble with something, presumably picking about more of those blunts, then he replaces the box onto the counter. The store clerk that was originally portrayed as a woman is in fact a man. A hindu indian male. He came flying around that corner looking like he was telling them "no no no you cant do that" The black male shoves him out of his way as he makes his exit, when further confronted by the hindu the black male takes an aggressive step to the hindu where , at that point it likes like Mr Hindu changes his mind about confronting this tall fat fellow.... Black male leaves, HIndu goes outsides, watches them leave with a hand full of those blunts. (checking which direction they where headed most logically) and goes back inside , presumably to call the cops. This link is for DAHBOO77's 1-minute truncated store surveillance video, "'Michael Brown' Store Robbery! RAW Video Footage!" at your Post #3. Probably the main reason you believe that you saw something different than I did is because his video doesn't show the female store clerk in a red uniform-like shirt walking from the cooler at the back of the store, then going behind the counter as if to ring up Brown's purchase at the register. Until then, he had been standing patiently there, as a customer would who was waiting for clerk assistance. The male manager/proprietor (who later came from behind the counter and looks like a foreigner but might not be) may have been too busy at the time on the phone/stocking shelves/doing paperwork or whatever to go to the register and expected the clerk to be there soon after Brown arrived, as she was. I relinked the longer, 1-minute 40-second store surveillance video in the quote section above that's from my Post #31, in which those transpirings can be seen. This link is for that same store film but it is set to start at the 30-second point so that you can see the female clerk segment: Surveillance Video Of Michael Brown Allegedly Robbing A Store Before He Got Shot. If I didn't already know that this video ended with Brown roughly refusing to be detained by the man who was likely her shift-manager or employer, I'd think that Brown either leaned over the counter because he was trying to point her to a particular tobacco product on the backshelf or because he was talking to her to try and get her phone number and maybe ask her to go out for a date. As it turned out, I'm thinking he wouldn't have moved to get the male out of his way who was trying to detain him and friend there if he wanted to socialize with the store's female employee because her job could be at risk if she was associated with him after something like that. Now I suspect that he was probably just trying to point her to the tobacco product he wanted to buy but couldn't reach himself and that he may have left his ID on the counter. She might have commented to the nearby male manager/proprietor that the customer had done so, whereupon he took it from her to check if she had properly carded him, then tried to stop them because he thought it was invalid or might be and that they could be underage minors -- which would jeopardize his own employment status there, as well as the store's license, if the State's inspectors were in the area and saw them leaving with tobacco. I can't rule out that hypothesis, anyway, by the available evidence that I've seen, nor that he might have decided to report it as a robbery/shoplifting to ameliorate potential problems from the State about it. I've considered that he might have decided to make some sort of criminal report simply in revenge for being pushed but I have ruled that out on the grounds that Brown's friend in the black shirt was the one noted as the suspect in the police report testimony that I'm aware of. Edited sentence 2 of paragraph 2 + paragraph spacing. Me: The store film didn't show a shoplifting and Brown wasn't the one accused of that. His friend in the black shirt was the police report suspect, who was only shown putting something down on the counter and walking away from it. The film shows Brown waiting at the counter and a female store clerk walking from the cooler, then going behind the counter as if to ring up his purchase at the register. I can't tell from the film if the shopkeeper tried to physically stop either of them before reaching the door where he is seen to try to detain them for whatever reason. The cop didn't confront them as shoplifting suspects and there was no challenge of the cop to keep the cigars. Those are the facts of the case. Do they matter or not? If they don't matter here or elsewhere as much as racial factors, I wouldn't want to impugn the intelligence of anyone here about that, however much I wouldn't want to see a courtroom jury stacked so. You tell me how smart it is for Whites to turn in lockstep on their own for nonconformity of opinion but also rail about Blacks and their racial identity locksteppings instead of being more objectively fair and unbiased.
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#62. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
Yeah, I think it must be something like that. We are both old enough to know that no good can come of being a slave to political correctness. You know, I truly like just about everyone who posts here, or at least the ones I have any interaction with, but I hate to see anyone afflicted with that malady. It may not be today or tomorrow but soon enough it will come back to bite them in the ass. #50: So damn true, JD. I'm sick of the simpering Whites who beg people to reject the racial aspect of this case. It's all about race as are mostly anything Sharpton, Jackson, Holder and Obama involve themselves in. It's stunning to read the comments of some Whites. Are they afraid to speak out against anti-White bigotry on display, or are they 30 years younger than we are and totally mind fucked by the media & their peers?
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#63. To: titorite (#37) (Edited)
Another problem I have is taking the video at face value as it is. Running with this video being legitimate and unaltered ... Good questions. The Dahboo video-version that you saw was altered in the sense of being shorter than the full length version. He might just have thought that the earlier footage was unnecessary as compared to the section that was eventually reported "through the media-grapevines" as a theft by Brown. Edited spelling. NOw problems I have with this video Begin at the resolution. My five megapixle digicam has better resolution than this quicki mart cam. Why is it such low res in such a high crime area? Where is the rest of the footage from the first Point of view ? Another problem I have is with the Face. But maybe that is just present because of the poor resolution.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#64. To: GreyLmist (#63) (Edited)
The kid obviously wasn't a saint, but that doesn't excuse the officer from shooting him over walking on the road. The officer had nothing better to do than harass some kids on the street, and that is the main problem here.
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#65. To: RickyJ (#64)
That's not what happened. Jeez, God gave you a brain, use it...... that doesn't excuse the officer from shooting him over walking in the road
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