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Title: Officer Darren Wilson's story is unbelievable. Literally.
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URL Source: http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side
Published: Nov 27, 2014
Author: Ezra Klein
Post Date: 2014-11-27 07:48:13 by Ada
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Views: 1701
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We've finally heard from Officer Darren Wilson. Wilson had been publicly silent since the events of August 9, when he shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. And, even as the grand jury announced its decision not to indict him, he remained silent. He had his attorneys release a statement on his behalf. But on Monday night, St. Louis County prosecutor Robert McCulloch released the evidence given to the grand jury, including the interview police did with Wilson in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. And so we got to read, for the first time, Wilson's full, immediate account of his altercation with Brown. And it is unbelievable. I mean that in the literal sense of the term: "difficult or impossible to believe." But I want to be clear here. I'm not saying Wilson is lying. I'm not saying his testimony is false. I am saying that the events, as he describes them, are simply bizarre. His story is difficult to believe. The story Wilson tells goes like this: At about noon on August 9th, Wilson hears on the radio that there's a theft in progress at the Ferguson Market. The suspect is a black male in a black shirt. Moments later, Wilson sees two young black men walking down the yellow stripe in the center of the street. He pulls over. "Hey guys, why don't you walk on the sidewalk?" They refuse. "We're almost at our destination," one of them replies. Wilson tries again. "But what's wrong with the sidewalk?" he asks. And then things get weird. Brown's response to "what's wrong with the sidewalk?", as recorded by Wilson, is "fuck what you have to say." Remember, Wilson is a uniformed police officer, in a police car, and Brown is an 18-year-old kid who just committed a robbery. And when asked to use the sidewalk, Wilson says Brown replied, "Fuck what you have to say." WILSON SAYS BROWN REPLIED, "FUCK WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY." Wilson backs his car up and begins to open the door. "Hey, come here," he said to the kid who just cursed at him. He says Brown replied, "What the fuck you gonna do?" And then Brown, in Wilson's telling, slams the car door closed. Wilson tries to open the door again, tells Brown to get back, and then Brown leans into the vehicle and begins punching him. michael brown casket Photos surround Michael Brown's casket in Ferguson, MO. (Richard Perry- Pool/Getty Images) Let's take a breath and recap. Wilson sees two young black men walking in the middle of the street. He pulls over and politely asks them to use the sidewalk. They refuse. He asks again, still polite. Brown tells Wilson — again, a uniformed police officer in a police car — "fuck what you have to say." Wilson stops his car, tries to get out, and Brown slams the car door on him and then begins punching him through the open window. What happens next is the most unbelievable moment in the narrative. And so it's probably best that I just quote Wilson's account at length on it. I was doing the, just scrambling, trying to get his arms out of my face and him from grabbing me and everything else. He turned to his...if he's at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He said, "here, take these." He was holding a pack of — several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store was several packs of cigarillos. He said, "here, hold these" and when he did that I grabbed his right arm trying just to control something at that point. Um, as I was holding it, and he came around, he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his...a full swing from his left hand. So Brown is punching inside the car. Wilson is scrambling to deflect the blows, to protect his face, to regain control of the situation. And then Brown stops, turns to his left, says to his friend, "Here, hold these," and hands him the cigarillos stolen from Ferguson Market. Then he turns back to Wilson and, with his left hand now freed from holding the contraband goods, throws a haymaker at Wilson. Every bullshit detector in me went off when I read that passage. Which doesn't mean that it didn't happen exactly the way Wilson describes. But it is, again, hard to imagine. Brown, an 18-year-old kid holding stolen goods, decides to attack a cop and, while attacking him, stops, hands his stolen goods to his friend, and then returns to the beatdown. It reads less like something a human would do and more like a moment meant to connect Brown to the robbery. Wilson next recounts his thought process as he reached for a weapon. He considered using his mace, but at such close range, the mace might get in his eyes, too. He doesn't carry a taser with a fireable cartridge, but even if he did, "it probably wouldn't have hit [Brown] anywhere". Wilson couldn't reach his baton or his flashlight. So he went for his gun. Brown sees him go for the gun. And he replies: "You're too much of a fucking pussy to shoot me." "YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A FUCKING PUSSY TO SHOOT ME." Again, stop for a moment and think about that. Brown is punching Wilson, sees the terrified cop reaching for his gun, and says "You're too much of a fucking pussy to shoot me." He dares him to shoot. michael brown sign A protestors holds up a sign saying "don't shoot". (Joe Raedle/Getty Images) And then Brown grabs Wilson's gun, twists it, and points it at Wilson's "pelvic area". Wilson regains control of the firearm and gets off a shot, shattering the glass. Brown backs up a half step and, realizing he's unharmed, dives back into the car to attack Wilson. Wilson fires again, and then Brown takes off running. (You can see the injuries Wilson sustained from the fight in these photographs.) Wilson exits the car to give chase. He yells at Brown to get down on the ground. Here, I'm going to go back to Wilson's words: When he stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a grunting noise and had the most intense, aggressive face I've ever seen on a person. When he looked at me, he then did like the hop...you know, like people do to start running. And, he started running at me. During his first stride, he took his right hand put it under his shirt into his waistband. And I ordered him to stop and get on the ground again. He didn't. I fired multiple shots. After I fired the multiple shots, I paused a second, yelled at him to get on the ground again, he was still in the same state. Still charging, hand still in his waistband, hadn't slowed down. The stuff about Brown putting his hand in his waistband is meant to suggest that Wilson had reason to believe Brown might pull a gun. But it's strange. We know Brown didn't have a gun. And that's an odd fact to obscure while charging a police officer. Either way, at that point, Wilson shoots again, and kills Brown. There are inconsistencies in Wilson's story. He estimates that Brown ran 20-30 feet away from the car and then charged another 10 feet back towards Wilson. But we know Brown died 150 feet away from the car. There are also consistencies. St Louis prosecutor Robert McCulloch said that Brown's DNA was found inside Wilson's car, suggesting there was a physical altercation inside the vehicle. We know shots were fired from inside the car. We know Brown's bullet wounds show he was only hit from the front, never from the back. But the larger question is, in a sense, simpler: Why? Why did Michael Brown, an 18-year-old kid headed to college, refuse to move from the middle of the street to the sidewalk? Why would he curse out a police officer? Why would he attack a police officer? Why would he dare a police officer to shoot him? Why would he charge a police officer holding a gun? Why would he put his hand in his waistband while charging, even though he was unarmed? NONE OF THIS FITS WITH WHAT WE KNOW OF MICHAEL BROWN None of this fits with what we know of Michael Brown. Brown wasn't a hardened felon. He didn't have a death wish. And while he might have been stoned, this isn't how stoned people act. The toxicology report did not indicate he was on PCP or something that would've led to suicidal aggression. Which doesn't mean Wilson is a liar. Unbelievable things happen every day. The fact that his story raises more questions than it answers doesn't mean it isn't true. But the point of a trial would have been to try to answer these questions. We would have either found out if everything we thought we knew about Brown was wrong, or if Wilson's story was flawed in important ways. But now we're not going to get that chance. We're just left with Wilson's unbelievable story. More: Michael Brown spent his last day with his friend Dorian Johnson. Johnson was also there when Officer Wilson stopped Brown. Here's where Johnson's testimony corroborates, and diverges, from Wilson's account.
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#61. To: titorite (#37)
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Edited next to last sentence. You: I gotta admit I saw something different. I saw a black man reaching over the counter where he shouldn't be reaching and taking a whole case of cigarlleos(blunts), Grape flavored as indicated by the purple package. He removes one pack at least of blunts before spilling several out. I see him bend over to the ground and fumble with something, presumably picking about more of those blunts, then he replaces the box onto the counter. The store clerk that was originally portrayed as a woman is in fact a man. A hindu indian male. He came flying around that corner looking like he was telling them "no no no you cant do that" The black male shoves him out of his way as he makes his exit, when further confronted by the hindu the black male takes an aggressive step to the hindu where , at that point it likes like Mr Hindu changes his mind about confronting this tall fat fellow.... Black male leaves, HIndu goes outsides, watches them leave with a hand full of those blunts. (checking which direction they where headed most logically) and goes back inside , presumably to call the cops. This link is for DAHBOO77's 1-minute truncated store surveillance video, "'Michael Brown' Store Robbery! RAW Video Footage!" at your Post #3. Probably the main reason you believe that you saw something different than I did is because his video doesn't show the female store clerk in a red uniform-like shirt walking from the cooler at the back of the store, then going behind the counter as if to ring up Brown's purchase at the register. Until then, he had been standing patiently there, as a customer would who was waiting for clerk assistance. The male manager/proprietor (who later came from behind the counter and looks like a foreigner but might not be) may have been too busy at the time on the phone/stocking shelves/doing paperwork or whatever to go to the register and expected the clerk to be there soon after Brown arrived, as she was. I relinked the longer, 1-minute 40-second store surveillance video in the quote section above that's from my Post #31, in which those transpirings can be seen. This link is for that same store film but it is set to start at the 30-second point so that you can see the female clerk segment: Surveillance Video Of Michael Brown Allegedly Robbing A Store Before He Got Shot. If I didn't already know that this video ended with Brown roughly refusing to be detained by the man who was likely her shift-manager or employer, I'd think that Brown either leaned over the counter because he was trying to point her to a particular tobacco product on the backshelf or because he was talking to her to try and get her phone number and maybe ask her to go out for a date. As it turned out, I'm thinking he wouldn't have moved to get the male out of his way who was trying to detain him and friend there if he wanted to socialize with the store's female employee because her job could be at risk if she was associated with him after something like that. Now I suspect that he was probably just trying to point her to the tobacco product he wanted to buy but couldn't reach himself and that he may have left his ID on the counter. She might have commented to the nearby male manager/proprietor that the customer had done so, whereupon he took it from her to check if she had properly carded him, then tried to stop them because he thought it was invalid or might be and that they could be underage minors -- which would jeopardize his own employment status there, as well as the store's license, if the State's inspectors were in the area and saw them leaving with tobacco. I can't rule out that hypothesis, anyway, by the available evidence that I've seen, nor that he might have decided to report it as a robbery/shoplifting to ameliorate potential problems from the State about it. I've considered that he might have decided to make some sort of criminal report simply in revenge for being pushed but I have ruled that out on the grounds that Brown's friend in the black shirt was the one noted as the suspect in the police report testimony that I'm aware of. Edited sentence 2 of paragraph 2 + paragraph spacing. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yeah, I think it must be something like that. We are both old enough to know that no good can come of being a slave to political correctness. You know, I truly like just about everyone who posts here, or at least the ones I have any interaction with, but I hate to see anyone afflicted with that malady. It may not be today or tomorrow but soon enough it will come back to bite them in the ass. Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
Another problem I have is taking the video at face value as it is. Running with this video being legitimate and unaltered ... Good questions. The Dahboo video-version that you saw was altered in the sense of being shorter than the full length version. He might just have thought that the earlier footage was unnecessary as compared to the section that was eventually reported "through the media-grapevines" as a theft by Brown. Edited spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The kid obviously wasn't a saint, but that doesn't excuse the officer from shooting him over walking on the road. The officer had nothing better to do than harass some kids on the street, and that is the main problem here.
God is always good!
That's not what happened. Jeez, God gave you a brain, use it...... Me: The store film didn't show a shoplifting and Brown wasn't the one accused of that. His friend in the black shirt was the police report suspect, who was only shown putting something down on the counter and walking away from it. The film shows Brown waiting at the counter and a female store clerk walking from the cooler, then going behind the counter as if to ring up his purchase at the register. I can't tell from the film if the shopkeeper tried to physically stop either of them before reaching the door where he is seen to try to detain them for whatever reason. The cop didn't confront them as shoplifting suspects and there was no challenge of the cop to keep the cigars. Those are the facts of the case. Do they matter or not? If they don't matter here or elsewhere as much as racial factors, I wouldn't want to impugn the intelligence of anyone here about that, however much I wouldn't want to see a courtroom jury stacked so. You tell me how smart it is for Whites to turn in lockstep on their own for nonconformity of opinion but also rail about Blacks and their racial identity locksteppings instead of being more objectively fair and unbiased.
#62. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
#50: So damn true, JD. I'm sick of the simpering Whites who beg people to reject the racial aspect of this case. It's all about race as are mostly anything Sharpton, Jackson, Holder and Obama involve themselves in. It's stunning to read the comments of some Whites. Are they afraid to speak out against anti-White bigotry on display, or are they 30 years younger than we are and totally mind fucked by the media & their peers?
#63. To: titorite (#37)
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NOw problems I have with this video Begin at the resolution. My five megapixle digicam has better resolution than this quicki mart cam. Why is it such low res in such a high crime area? Where is the rest of the footage from the first Point of view ? Another problem I have is with the Face. But maybe that is just present because of the poor resolution.
#64. To: GreyLmist (#63)
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#65. To: RickyJ (#64)
that doesn't excuse the officer from shooting him over walking in the road
-Alex Kurtagic
#66. To: X-15 (#65)
Yes x that is exactly what happened. An unarmed male was shot dead. Wilson said he was attacked but has no bruising to prove it. Instead of calling for back up or just subduing him normal he shot the unarmed man dead. Jared lougner shot a senator in the head and killed several other people. He was taken in alive. That aurora shooter killed a bunch of people he was taken in alive. Brown didn't kill anyone and had no weapon, shot dead in cold blood.
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#67. To: titorite, RickyJ, freedom4um Brownies, All (#66)
You and I, together, could NOT "subdue" a 6'4"/290lb ape, he'd kill us. You and RickyJ are theorizing that Officer Wilson one day, for absolutely no reason, after being a cop for years, decided to randomly kill a darkie. Tell me the next time you want to walk down MLK Blvd in Houston some Saturday night to show your solidarity with the Afro-American community, I'd like to fly a drone overhead to watch you die in the street. Neither one of you will acknowledge that turd-Brown had the CHOICE to peacefully obey Ofc Wilson and just get out of the street as directed, and that's a legitimate duty of police to tell citizens to clear the street for traffic. Here's an apt illustration for you and RickyJ and the other Brownies on freedom4um: Instead of calling for back up or just subduing him normal
-Alex Kurtagic
#68. To: X-15, Cynicom, JD, 4um BROWNS (#67)
On track 360, an officer is heard responding to Wilson after he IDs Brown. On track 349, the robbery at the convenience store is reported.
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
So killing someone over some stolen cigarillos is OK? Wilson said Brown punched him twice, where is the evidence for that? Wilson said he had no control, but somehow got control over his gun? Wilson said that he ran away 30 feet then turned and ran back 10 feet before he killed him. His body was 150 feet from the police car. There are too many inconsistencies in Wilson's story for it to be believed. The Grand Jury messed up, a trial was definitely called for here. I am not pro-PC, pro-black, pro-White, or anything like that, I am anti-thugs in police uniforms thinking they have immunity to kill whomever they want.
God is always good!
#70. To: RickyJ (#69)
If I wave a plastic snack knife from a Quik-Mart at a cop I can expect to be shot. Being 18 and 6'4" and 280lbs+ is also a deadly weapon. Once again, the Gentle Giant only had to hop up on the curb and he would have lived, even if he had been subsequently arrested for robbery. It was HIS choice to commit suicide-by-cop.
-Alex Kurtagic
#71. To: christine (#27)
Ted would wake em up first ! "killing niggers in their sleep"?
"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie
#72. To: RickyJ, BROWNIES (#69)
The GJ saw evidence that showed Michael Brown — after an act of robbery at a local business — attacked Wilson when the officer stopped him on the street. Brown punched Wilson when the officer was still in his patrol car and attempted to take his gun from him. At this point Brown was under arrest and Wilson was duty bound to apprehend him. As I've posted previously, additional officers were on the way. The first shots were fired within the car in the struggle over the gun. Forensic evidence supports this. Then Brown ran. He should have kept running and instead evidence shows he turned back and rushed Wilson - see the attached testimony of a witness - Wilson shot several times, hitting his 6 times, the last shot to the head was fatal. These are the facts the GJ weighed as they returned a No Bill verdict. While they don’t fit the left-wing, anti-cop, socialist narrative you and the other BROWNIES on 4um hold, they nevertheless are far more reliable than the silliness you folks keep belching out as, unlike yours, they are corroborated by numerous Ferguson residents. And to the wild charge that this GJ got it wrong, I’d suggest you think twice. The power of the White House aligned against Wilson, and that Holder hasn’t moved with a civil rights indictment against Wilson speaks volumes. One last thing; to the the screaming a’holes who now demand that such cases proceed directly to a jury trial, bypassing the GJ and an important layer of due process, I say present this scheme to every low-life, crack dealing, ghetto rat in Harlem & Bed Sty. They’d laugh you out of the ‘hood. 
#73. To: X-15 (#67)
I good throat punch tends to bring anyone down regardless of size.
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#74. To: X-15 (#70)
Being 28, 6'4" and 210lbs can also be a deadly weapon. Wilson was in much better shape than Brown who was mostly fat. Being 18 and 6'4" and 280lbs+ is also a deadly weapon.
God is always good!
#75. To: RickyJ (#74)
How many times would you let Mikey "Philly Blunt" Brown hit you before you would shoot him?? I wouldn't let him hit me ONE TIME if I knew it was coming.
-Alex Kurtagic
#76. To: titorite (#73)
Well shit, thanks! I'm going to sell my guns and practice my throat punches!! I good throat punch tends to bring anyone down regardless of size.
#77. To: Jethro Tull, titorite (#76) (Edited)
Leave the throat punches to Bruce Lee, I'll use a S&W.357 Magnum revolver or a HK USP .40 S&W........
-Alex Kurtagic
#78. To: X-15 (#77)
The BROWNS....they must watch a lot of movies.
#79. To: Jethro Tull (#78)
I guess I just need to splash on a little of this to infuse myself with strange and terrifying Oriental powers: 
-Alex Kurtagic
#80. To: X-15 (#70)
It's supposed to be "Choirboy Mike, the Gentle Giant, Brown." Once again, the Gentle Giant
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#81. To: Jethro Tull (#76)
I'm going to sell my guns and practice my throat punches!! All these self defense experts we have on here--it's a beautiful thing, eh? ahaha. Well shit, thanks!
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#82. To: James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, titorite (#81)
-Alex Kurtagic
#83. To: X-15 (#82)
Bruce Lee was an awesome fighter. I have a book about him around here somewhere. I *think* maybe his wife wrote it but I'm not sure. Been years since I read it.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#84. To: James Deffenbach (#83)
Yes. See the movie, Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story (1993), it's a very inspirational and uplifting movie.
-Alex Kurtagic
#85. To: X-15 (#84)
Thanks. He sure died way too young.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#86. To: RickyJ (#69)
The evidence he had been hit was on his face and neck! And you would have known that if you had bothered to look at the readily available pictures. No, his nose wasn't broken and he didn't suffer a concussion and his bruises and cut lip may not have looked serious to you. But how much worse would he have had to look to be justified in defending himself? Are people supposed to wait for some magic moment when they are about half dead before they decide it might be a good idea to fight back? I am not an apologist for cops and I have spoken out against what I believed to be police brutality for a long time. But Choirboy Mike brought the results he suffered upon himself. And even some of the black folks there who testified before the grand jury corroborated Wilson's account, that the Choirboy was charging him when he shot him in the head. Should be 'nuff said about that matter. So killing someone over some stolen cigarillos is OK? Wilson said Brown punched him twice, where is the evidence for that?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#87. To: James Deffenbachm, X-15 (#83) (Edited)
This style of martial art appears to have a bit of merit...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#88. To: X-15 (#77)
You're not a cop. YOu're not held to a hire standard. You can not call for back up from a CB in a squad car. You dont carry mace daily. You have not been trained on how to use a billy club to subdue a suspect. Brown was Unarmed. Shot dead from several feet away. The cops, they don't care about color unless it is blue. Leave the throat punches to Bruce Lee, I'll use a S&W.357 Magnum revolver or a HK USP .40 S&W........
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#89. To: James Deffenbach (#86)
Bull jethro Bull, you're just a flaming racists excusing murder by cop because the victim was black. You don't care about the truth You're just happy a black man died and unhappy that a white person is getting shit for it. You have no clue that you're digging your own grave and giving them permission to kill you next. When you give them permission to do it to blacks you give them permission to do it to anyone.
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#90. To: titorite (#88)
tit, this sentence is all one needs to know about you. YOu're not held to a hire standard.
#91. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
#92. To: FormerLurker (#87)
Those are great clips, thanks for posting them.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#93. To: Jethro Tull (#91)
LOL! They must have been honoring him since he was born, or even before.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#94. To: titorite (#89) (Edited)
There have been any number of real jackboot assaults on citizens over the last few years that we've seen thanks to the invention of the digital camera, but this wasn't one of them. Brown's blood and tissue were found inside this cruiser. Regardless of race and irrespective of who is wearing a badge in such a situation, an assault on an armed man is an armed assault. When you give them permission to do it to blacks you give them permission to do it to anyone.
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
#95. To: titorite, RickyJ, GreyLmist, Ada (#89)
Are you being stalked by a cop? I drive every day without wearing my seatbelt, the cops here in North Texas have quit enforcing that law if I'm any kind of example to go by. Of course, I don't walk down city streets acting the fool and bumrushing cops when they tell me to hit the sidewalk. You, RickJ, GreyLmist, Ada, and a few more have totally ABSOLVED The Gentle Giant o' Ferguson of HIS ACTIONS and none of you will address what HE DID to bring on his untimely demise. When you give them permission to do it to blacks you give them permission to do it to anyone.
-Alex Kurtagic
#96. To: X-15 (#95)
Good post.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#97. To: X-15, JD, BROWNIES, *White guilt* (#95)
I've reached the conclusion that all of the above mentioned BROWNIES are afflicted with White Guilt, and for them reality and the laws of evidence are irrelevant. For some odd reason they feel comforted by aligning themselves in a bogus cause (yes lets put all bad cops in jail) which is led by gutter rats & socialists. Their argument is emotion and were they sitting across the table from us in debate they'd embarrass themselves. You, RickJ, GreyLmist, Ada, and a few more have totally ABSOLVED The Gentle Giant o' Ferguson of HIS ACTIONS and none of you will address what HE DID to bring on his untimely demise.
#98. To: Jethro Tull (#97)
That white guilt and political correctness $#it is liable to get some of them killed. I just read an article about someone eat up with both and he thought he deserved to get mugged because he was "privileged." Stupid ef. His education, such as it is, was wasted on a total moron.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#99. To: James Deffenbach (#98)
What a hoot that White privilege claim is, eh? Only a weak minded, spoiled White kid would fall for such a crock.
#100. To: Jethro Tull (#99)
Yeah. He never once thought the muggers were trying to hurt him (so he said) but then he offered no resistance. I suspect he would have been badly hurt or killed if he had resisted.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
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