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Title: Ferguson Reexamined
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URL Source: http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/11/ferguson-reexamined/
Published: Nov 28, 2014
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2014-11-29 16:30:16 by RickyJ
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Comments: 23
dissidentvoice.org/2014/11/ferguson-reexamined/ Ferguson Reexamined by Paul Craig Roberts / November 28th, 2014 Few, if any, of the correct questions were asked in the grand jury hearing to decide whether policeman Darren Wilson would be indicted for killing Michael Brown. The most important unexamined question is whether police are trained to use force immediately as a first resort before they assess a situation or determine if they are at the correct address. Are the police trained that the lives of police officers are so much more valuable than the lives of possible suspects, or a houseful of people into whose residence a heavily armed SWAT team enters, that police officers must not accept the risk of judicious behavior when encountering citizens? If this is the case as all evidence indicates that it is, then the police when they gratuitously murder members of the public are merely doing what they have been trained to do. As police are trained to use violence as a first resort, the police cannot be held accountable when they do. There are a large number of videos available online that show that the first thing that police do when they arrive is to use force. No sooner is Michael Brown in the grave than Cleveland cops kill a 12-year old boy who has a toy gun that shoots plastic pellets. The child is threatening no one–indeed there is no one else present. The boy seems to be playing a fantasy game in his head. A busy body calls the police. The police arrive and instantly shoot the kid down. Here is a selection of videos and reports. Some of the videos are compressed to save the viewer time. They range from 59 seconds to the full 7:51 minute video, which shows the kid is just walking up and down the sidewalk. All the action comes at the end. The police arrive and instantly open fire, making no effort whatsoever to assess the situation.1 Just a few days before Michael Brown is killed, Ohio police murdered John Crawford inside a Walmart store. What had Crawford done? He had picked up a BB rifle from a Walmart shelf and was on the phone with the mother of his two children, perhaps checking with her whether he could purchase it for the kids. A busy body named Ronald Ritchie felt threatened and called the police. The police rush in and shoot Crawford. The police claim that they ordered Crawford to drop the rifle, but the video shows the police shooting Crawford on sight. The busy body Ritchie actually caused two deaths, as the incident of Crawford’s murder caused Angela Williams to die from a heart attack as she fled the store in response to the police gunfire. Yes, you guessed it. The grand jury decided the police were justified. Here is another video that demonstrates that policemen shoot instantly without cause. This is a rare case in which the policeman was held accountable, most likely because the video prevented authorities from fabricating the usual story of police justification. In this video, police shoot down an unarmed black man in the street. After shooting Kajieme Powell ten times, the cops hold guns on the dead body while they handcuff a dead man. Like an almost endless number of other such videos, this one shows that either psychopaths are recruited for the police force, or police training turns cops into psychopaths. These two reports examine Officer Darren Wilson’s story of why he shot Michael Brown and conclude that Wilson’s story doesn’t make sense.2 Most likely, Michael Brown was just another victim of the gratuitous violence that police are trained to use. Darren Wilson’s use of deadly force was in keeping with his training. The problem with the grand jury and prosecutor in Ferguson and everywhere else is that the real problem–the training of police to use deadly force as a first resort–was not identified as the cause of Michael Brown’s death. The Ferguson grand jury’s decision is not an exoneration of Wilson’s use of deadly force. Anyone familiar with the American criminal justice (sic) system knows that any prosecutor can get or prevent an indictment from a grand jury. Prosecutors are allowed to determine what evidence is presented. Prosecutors are permitted to bribe witnesses with money or dropped charges, and they can coerce false witness testimony by threatening a witness with charges. Seldom does an indictment or refusal to indict turn on the true facts. The US justice system is no longer concerned with justice, but with the careers of prosecutors, punishing the powerless, and protecting the powerful. As justice has largely departed the justice system, it is hardly surprising that police lack any concept of justice. Note: Here is a video of the goon thugs in Albuquerque murdering a white man who was doing nothing but carrying some break pads. Notice how the handful of cops pretend the man who is shot to pieces is still dangerous.
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#1. To: RickyJ (#0)
Ok Einstein, perhaps you can explain why there are millions of private citizens that carry guns every day? Guns are used to shoot people with. A purple Icelander called Roberts, 285 pounds, tries to take my gun and then dares me to shoot him, IS GOING TO GET SHOT. One dead purple ICELANDER. It really is quite simple. Try to follow this with your feather brain at rest. Basic premise of training for people hired to carry guns. Kill or be killed when the situation arises. The call is yours, not mine. See now that was not to difficult to understand was it?
Any sane person, even a huge Icelander, who'd just been shot at least once, would return, charging the shooter. It's beyond mind-boggling. (Another thread to be ignored) “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Too true... Indoctrination to military is simple, if there is going to be someone killed, make sure it is the other guy. For any police it is his life on the line, he makes the call, second guessing him is very dangerous, for him. Who would want to call police and then see them run for their lives or get killed. Purple Icelander going to beat me to death, no way.
Buried within this race fueled affair are two other organizations that are using the blacks for their causes, not for the welfare of the blacks. They are the communists, which we all know and then there are the white anarchists whom are the most dangerous. ... Full Definition of ANARCHIST 1 : a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power 2 : a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order
Yep. Be sure that you make the other bastard die for his country. I guess that I'm a small L, peaceful, anarchist. (Now I'll finally hit the Ignore button here.) “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
The police are very brave in killing children and unarmed innocent people. When a dangerous criminal is involved, they will only attack in battalion strength.
One has to wonder what society would be like with no police?
I would take it in a heartbeat. People defending themselves with guns are much more effective than doughnut eating steroid using goons walking around with badges and a license to kill. God is always good!
Hell, have the strength of your convictions. When you wake up in the AM, disregard all laws and just do as you please. Michael Brown did.
That is right to the heart of this discussion. Any society recorded in history had rules, regulations, laws and some method of enforcing them, for better or worse. Without enforcement, good or bad, there is no social structure. Our system is terribly flawed, been that way as long as I can remember, however it is the ONLY system that has been working for over two hundred years. Beyond that, far too many Americans are following the ongoing brain washing of our media. They are not thinking on their own, rather they are following herd mentality.
Cross-referencing: From X-15's Post #49 at 4um Title: Justice Scalia Explains What Was Wrong With The Ferguson Grand Jury From JD's Post #10 at 4um Title: Ferguson The Safety of Citizens is Lost with The Unaccountability of Police From JT's Post #72 at 4um Title: Officer Darren Wilson's story is unbelievable. Literally. Excerpt from 4um Title: The Secret Darkness of Grand Juries Rudy Giuliani Wants to Prosecute Ferguson Witnesses who Lied for Perjury Megyn Kelly: Wow, that’s amazing. Rudy Giuliani: And he describes exactly the same thing. The reaching in, the shooting, the fact that the police officer got out of the car. The police officer yelled to Brown. Brown, instead of stopping, ran toward him. The police officer shot him two or three times. When Brown stopped, the police officer stopped shooting. And all of a sudden Brown put his head down and came at the police officer, he said, something like a bull, you know, with his head down as if to come right into him. And that’s when the fatal shots were probably shot into the… and he came forward because he was so offended by the [My note: alleged] lies that were being told. Yes, it is amazing that it's not the Witness #10 parroter of Wilson's claims who Giuliani wants prosecuted for perjury but he should because how would that supposedly "offended witness" have known anything about who was saying what in the Grand Jury proceedings? [Edit: Possibly, they were "offended" by news reports afterward but it's likely that they and others] were coached in exactly what to say for an immunity from prosecution deal of some sort and/or for some other such bribery. Also, edit to add a link for info on Medical Examiner incompetence, which indicates that he's a dubious witness too, at 4um Title: Darren Wilson and the Reality of Blue Privilege Formatting edits. These two reports examine Officer Darren Wilson’s story of why he shot Michael Brown and conclude that Wilson’s story doesn’t make sense.2 Most likely, Michael Brown was just another victim of the gratuitous violence that police are trained to use. Darren Wilson’s use of deadly force was in keeping with his training.
#2. To: Cynicom (#1)
#3. To: Lod (#2)
(Another thread to be ignored)
#4. To: Lod (#2)
#5. To: Cynicom (#3)
#6. To: Cynicom (#1)
#7. To: Ada (#6)
The police are very brave in killing children and unarmed innocent people.
#8. To: Cynicom (#7)
One has to wonder what society would be like with no police?
#9. To: RickyJ (#8)
I would take it in a heartbeat.
#10. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
Hell, have the strength of your convictions. When you wake up in the AM, disregard all laws and just do as you please. Michael Brown did.
#11. To: RickyJ, X-15, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull (#0)
(Edited)
Anyone familiar with the American criminal justice (sic) system knows that any prosecutor can get or prevent an indictment from a grand jury. Prosecutors are allowed to determine what evidence is presented. Prosecutors are permitted to bribe witnesses with money or dropped charges, and they can coerce false witness testimony by threatening a witness with charges. Seldom does an indictment or refusal to indict turn on the true facts.
[My note: The Grand Jury] saw the totality of everything, none of us have had the chance to even see that evidence
Even some of the black witnesses said that Brown was charging Wilson
Document Graphic of Witness Testimony, Page 15
As a lawyer for a subpoenaed witness, the primary concern is whether our client may incriminate itself by providing testimony to the grand jury. Because the grand jury is this secret process, the answer to this question is almost always yes, there is a possibility that this person could be compelled to testify and give information that might lead to criminal charges against that person. In these cases, the witness is advised that they must assert their Fifth Amendment right to remain silent so there is no chance they will incriminate themselves of a crime. The only way that the prosecutor can overcome the Fifth Amendment right of a person is to impose immunity from any potential prosecution upon the subpoenaed person. If immunity is thrust upon the witness, their Fifth Amendment right is taken away from them and they are forced to testify. But, by providing immunity, the State acknowledges that they are no longer allowed to prosecute the witness for any crime related to the testimony sought.
Rudy Giuliani: Here’s the amazing thing. I read some of the testimony today. If you look at witness number ten, not identified by name or by race, but I’m pretty sure an African-American from the discussion. He corroborates every single thing that that officer just said including the fact that no one put their hands up. In fact, he came forward because he was angry and offended that people were [My note: allegedly] lying about the fact he was shot in the back and that Brown had put his hands up.
the medical examiner who arrived on the scene after the shooting. (Interestingly, that examiner never took photos of the deceased, because “My battery in my camera died,” nor did he take any measurements at the crime scene.)
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#12. To: GreyLmist (#11)
I think we all understand now. Choirboy Mike was a saint who never had done anything wrong and an evil cop who hated black people shot him for no reason. And then the evil prosecutor bribed witnesses to bear false witness against St. Michael. And the jurors, each and every one, were in on it too, even the black ones. Got it.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#13. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
Let's put Holder in the conspiracy loop too. He and his anti-White hit squad examined the evidence and passed on a civil rights indictment. I think we all understand now. Choirboy Mike was a saint who never had done anything wrong and an evil cop who hated black people shot him for no reason. And then the evil prosecutor bribed witnesses to bear false witness against St. Michael. And the jurors, each and every one, were in on it too, even the black ones. Got it
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
Yes, let's throw him and Obama both in there.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#15. To: James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull (#14)
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-n...-louis-police-say-n258686
#16. To: Jethro Tull, rickyj, cynicom, titorite (#9)
People who advocate a society without police, which is a silly hypothetical prospect which would never happen any more than a u.s. gov without the fiat currency, are not advocating 'breaking all laws,' or breaking any laws for that matter, except probabaly the type of petty needless laws we're penalized by the revenue agents for. (laws which by breaking we harm no one, like riding a bike with no helmet or not wearing a seatbelt). furthermore the police themselves constantly argue in court that they arent responsible for protecting anyone, which the supreme court has agreed with. rickyj's line "I would take it in a heartbeat. People defending themselves with guns are much more effective than doughnut eating steroid using goons walking around with badges and a license to kill" simply restates the dogma of self responsibility. Arm up, dont rely on cops, who for the most part theyll just type the reports while their minions put the toetag on you. the other day while my wife & i were out taking a walk, i did however see three uniformed cops parked in the street and pushing a huge, old motorhome out of the middle of the street. that would have made a GREAT picture, damn i didnt have my phone on me. it harkened back to the idea we were all told about police on shows like 'chips' and Adam 12. Hell, have the strength of your convictions. When you wake up in the AM, disregard all laws and just do as you please. Michael Brown did.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#17. To: James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull (#14) (Edited)
Howdy, Heckle and Jeckle Tag Team. If you'd rather believe there's no such things as police protectionism by prosecutorial bribery/coercion/dubious witnesses and would prefer to re-read Wilson's Hulk Hogan comic book type of statement instead, I posted something about that today here. Edited spelling.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#18. To: Artisan (#16)
Nobody in their right mind would rely on the police for protection. Of course arm up and protect yourself. RickyJ advocated eradicating police departments, and as you stated, that isn't a viable option to anyone other than BROWNIES. rickyj's line "I would take it in a heartbeat. People defending themselves with guns are much more effective than doughnut eating steroid using goons walking around with badges and a license to kill" simply restates the dogma of self responsibility. Arm up, dont rely on cops, who for the most part theyll just type the reports while their minions put the toetag on you.
#19. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#17)
Oh no, we done been corrected and put on the path of rectitude and righteousness now that you have 'splained to us that Saint Michael was on his way to choir practice when the Ku Klux Klan Kop decided to shoot him for no reason. It's a damned shame that Choirboy Mike stopped by that store on his way to church and had that little misunderstanding there. It truly is.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#20. To: James Deffenbach, X-15, Cynicom, 4 (#19)
The BROWNS are starting to remind me of the 4 AM callers to Art Bell.
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
oOo If this happened in Cleveland, you could call us the Cleveland Browns too. BROWNIES
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#22. To: James Deffenbach (#19) (Edited)
Silly, it's you who apparemtly keeps seeing him as a choir boy saint. Not me. I don't have to think that of him to think Wilson isn't based on the evidence Edit to add: ; which also indicates jury tampering and such. References on that at the link I posted for you today above.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#23. To: Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, Cynicom, 4 (#20)
Wild Card line, you are on the air....
-Alex Kurtagic
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