4um: Protests in St. Louis after teens ‘bash man to death’ with hammers

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Zemir Begic, 32, was driving around at 1:15 a.m. in the city’s Bevo Mill neighborhood when at least three juveniles approached his vehicle and began wailing on it with hammers, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports.

The driver, a Bosnian immigrant, got out of the car to confront the assailants, who started yelling at him and pummeling him with the hammers, cops said. After the vicious onslaught was over, Begic — who had only been living in St. Louis for a year — was left battered and broken with injuries to his head, face, mouth and abdomen.

He later died at St. Louis University Hospital, according to the Dispatch.

Hammer attack victim Zemir Begic with his wife, ArijanaPhoto: Jennifer Elizabeth via GoFundMe

A 15-year-old and a 16-year-old male were both in police custody Sunday evening as investigators worked to determine a motive, the Dispatch reports. Police said they also know the name of a third suspect and now believe that a fourth was involved as well.

St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said Begic’s killing did not appear to be motivated by race or ethnicity.

“There is no indication that the gentleman last night was targeted because he was Bosnian,” he said. “There’s no indication that they knew each other.”

Suad Nuranjkovic, 49, was riding in the passenger seat of Begic’s car at the time the unprovoked assault began. The two were on their way home from a bar when the teens bombarded them near the intersection of Gravois Avenue and Itaska Street, according to the Dispatch.

As Begic stood up to the hooligans, Nuranjkovic was able to run across the street to safety.

“I was afraid that if one of them had a gun, they were going to shoot me,” he said. “So I didn’t know what to do.”

Nuranjkovic — who is also Bosnian — has no idea why they were singled out.

“I don’t know why this is happening to Bosnians,” he said. “We could go around and shoot people, too, but we just want peace.”

Outraged Bosnians took to the streets Sunday night to voice their grievances over Begic’s murder and also bring attention to other recent aggressive acts aimed at their people — including the 2013 fatal shooting of a 19-year-old immigrant in Bevo Mill, according to the Dispatch.

Demonstrators, including Begic’s sister Denisa, marched to the location of the heinous hammer attack and called for more to be done to protect the Bosnian community from violence.

“I hope justice is served for my brother because he didn’t deserve this at all,” Denisa said. “I don’t know what to think of it. It’s so wrong what they did.”

I don't know what percentage would fight in a 'racial insurrection.' I don't know if that will ever happen, but like anything, if it did, I think it will be every man (along with his family and core group) for himself.

all I know is what ive experienced with the Rodney king riots, a few other riots and living in a white neighborhood that had turned black in the 70s and 80s when the ROOTS miniseries was on tv when i was a kid and that program drove all the blacks literally ape shit.

I got a very big family and none of us were ever killed, or shot, beat, etc. the Catholic theology of the right to self defense is very clear, and very engrained, & we never had no problem.

What I've never heard of, before this thread, is someone who suggested that getting out of a car unarmed surrounded by niggers with hammers who are already attacking you is somehow brave or noble. You have to be armed up equally to your opponent and be prepared properly to fight, not be a fool who will get killed. Such a notion is totally insane and does not even make sense. Never in my life have I heard of such a thing, to lay down for a group of savage thugs out to rob and kill you. That is TWILIGHT ZONE stuff.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

The "ownership economy" pretty much did the same thing to my neighborhood. Never buy a house anywhere near apartments that take Sec-8.

Not sure about other cities, but it seems like the tearing down of of high rise public housing projects in the 80s/90s was like knocking down a dam, flooding entire cities with the undertow.

Zemir Begic may have been naive, but he does not deserve the derision you and others are flinging. What kind of evil bastards roam in packs and attack random passersby with freaking hammers?

Oh it did my friend. The NYPD suppressed *communist upheavals* in the late 60s and early 70s. I know how the word communist irritates you but it's appropriate. I was there and I saw it up front and personal and I'm happy I cracked their heads.

I wasn't trying to deride the victim. It started out with a perfectly normal comment in post 8 where I said

Cynicom then acted offended and replied "That is beyond credulity. Unworthy of response."

I replied "what do you teach your kin to do in the case of a viscious attack by niggers? politely try to debate them? LoL. Ill tell you what to do. Because I grew up around niggers and I have never gotten hurt. This is what you do: defend yourself. shoot them and live, or floor it, and live..."

He then started babbling insulting remarks like "insane" and "white guilter" because I stated something which any normal white man would know, and that is how to defend oneself.

Even though I maintain a very EXTREMELY nice online persona, (Much, much nicer than I am in person) once in a great while I don't generally respond nicely to insults.- particularly if the insulter's argument sounds deranged and lacking any sense or logic whatsoever. why is it a "white guilter" when I say that people should learn how to defend themselves from niggers?? I then asked when he's ever defended himself against niggers, never any reply. ever. That is why I don't believe he's ever dealt with it. Maybe just walked around in a tie at his government job and kept his head down. No one I know has ever worked for the government, I come from anti- government stock.

like I said, he always says he has a jew family, so maybe it's a cultural thing, I just don't relate to whoever/whatever he is or may be. I don't speak in riddles, im very straightforward. I thought this conversation was about nigger mobs with hammers. All I know is what I've been repeating that I don't know why is so hard to understand. You don't get out in a riot full of niggers, unarmed. Only an insane fool would do that.

If people here would advocate to teach their kids to get out of their car and surrender to mobs of niggers with hammers, or think you can reason with them, that is insane and very bad advice.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

I did too. I guess the question is, do white cops have the same right to self defense as Bosniaks?

I usually try to be polite and patient, however these are times that try mens souls.

For instance, long ago, working in a black neighborhood, the only white, I was surrounded by six blacks, one with a knife, threatening to cut my throat.

THERE WAS NO RUNNING AWAY, LEAVING, DRIVING OFF, HE WAS GOING TO CUT MY THROAT BECAUSE I WAS WHITE.

What saved me? Garage on corner had blacks working there, where I worked, huge black man came out of garage wiping his hands, quietly said to the one with a knife, "put the knife away or I will run it down your throat and the rest of you be gone".

Art says I dont get out much. True not any more. Here in the hills we have no police force, oddly enough only a few blacks that moved out of the city to get away from their brothers.

I think we're on the same page about the commies, I just wasn't relating them to the mobs in the streets. Even though the mobs are encouraged & provoked by the commies on tv, other than that I see it as essentially two different topics. A mob is a mob no matter who inspires their criminal behavior, the thing is to watch out for yourself and come out alive.

I mean this Bosnian immigrant wasn't going to go have a discussion of sociology and Trotsky and marx to these maniacs who killed him.

if there's a mob of niggers around your car, shoot them or run them down. that's all I said to begin this waste of time topic, and I stick to it.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Agree, and despite what many of the BROWNIES on 4um have claimed, I try my best not to use the word nigger. I think a search of my posts will confirm this.

The thing I was trying to ask you was why you were so insulted when I gave the very good advice 'when surrounded by a mob full of niggers attacking your car, the sane options are to shoot them or run them down.' You then called me an insane white guilter because of that, which was very rude and inappropriate, and it did not make sense.

So if I was meaner than usual in response, it's because sometimes one attracts the responses they seek. no hard feelings.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Unless my memory is incorrect, on other threads I sensed an attitude that police should not do their jobs either. Run over them is ok but dont shoot them?

Either way, I think we can agree, we have seen nothing yet. One day the cities will burn and the streets run red.

I never said that cops shouldn't do their jobs. In this case I said that the grand jury looked at plenty of evidence and even the black witnesses said brown had it coming, he attacked the cop.

In general, I don't like cops, because they spend most of their time in revenue schemes and are for the most part, trigger happy power-mad goons. and cops argue in court for decades that they aren't responsible for protecting anyone. The supreme court has ruled in their favor.

Here is a video of a driver who lived because they drove thru the violent mob. I don't think the driver should have been arrested like the news said. They did nothing wrong.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Art, the police, good bad or indifferent, are all that stand between society and anarchy.

Most of us here have disdain for the police, the injustice system and government. However, the alternative is anarchy, whites using the blacks to bring down this country. Contradiction? No.

Blacks are being used and their hatred for whitey blinds them from seeing the truth.

Above clip demonstrates the crucial importance of achieving ramming speed prior to mob engagement.

In '68, before you were born, this was the very last thing my classmates and I thought of. We were happy to have a job,

Quite correct. One should never be doing less than about ten miles an hour when running through a mob. If they pack up sufficiently to slow you down much below that, give it more gas.

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'Situational awareness' means never driving anywhere where the likelihood of your vehicle being mobbed by a troop of unruly baboons begging for handouts will catch you at unawares:

So this shit happened here in my town. You know what happened? The guy in the car moved forward, the protestors jumped on his car. He panicked, and then drove through them.

I am so sick to death of these people in my town saying that they have a right to obstruct traffic and cause mayhem in the streets over nothing. They prevented an ambulance from getting where it needed to. These useless eaters all deserved to be rounded up and carted off to jail because they should not have been in the streets without a permit. THERE WERE NO PERMITS ISSUED FOR THIS PROTEST.

Here's another thing with regard to this mess. The driver is now being prosecuted. We are living in chaos. Nothing else. The inmates now run the asylum, and we're all being slowly driven mad.

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Here is something on a positive note with regard to all of this. The families of these two Bosnians, they will not take this loss lightly. Crossing a Bosnian, is basically writing your own ticket to hell. If their families are connected, I guarantee that the families of these three perpetrators will bleed for what their children have done. Their children will be made to watch their families killed, and then they themselves will likely be murdered in prison.

The Bosnian people are not folk to be trifled with, and if there is one consolation, there will be an industrious Bosnian that will more than likely be dutiful to family and murder each and every last member of these people's families.

I have read that before, that the Bosnians were not to be trifled with. And the niggers who killed that one with the hammer just because he was white--if someone had told them he was a Bosnian they would have thought that meant he was from some upscale neighborhood of Boston--will probably regret their bad judgment. I sure hope so anyway.

You are so right, Tommy. My sisters were NYC public school teachers and before both retired they told me all about the Bosnian kids in their classrooms. They weren't the problem the minority kids were but they were fighters when provoked. My sisters loved them as they brought back memories of fearless American kids who are now sissified.

In this bizarro world we live in we should have no expectation of safely walking or driving down a city street, but are assured that rioting, burning, and looting will be tolerated.... no, make that enabled if not encouraged.

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Yes humility is a great virtue especially since 'pride' is not only one of the '7 deadly sins' but is the primary sin which leads to all others.

However I don't think you should characterize this bizarre exchange yesterday as a fault of lack of humility on my part. Now I know we're friends and I respect you but you know I do argue my point, so please don't take this personal.

Here is what happened. a guy gets his brains bashed in with a hammer and dies. I have 'the nerve' to make a very benign comment and point out that here in LA, we know better on how to handle niggger mobs with pipes and the sane solution is not to try to talk to them sweetly in the street unarmed, because you may die. I said, either shoot them, or floor it. and live.

You & cynicom both responded way out of left field. You claimed that confronting a nigger mob unarmed was somehow sharp or valiant, because by not confronting a nigger mob unarmed, that men today are somehow 'weak', sissies, or running away.'

I asked, Wow JT, would you really teach your kids to confront a nigger mob unarmed? Would you teach them that that is a somehow 'valiant' or honorable thing to do(!!??) Surely not.(????)

Cynicom replied to my advice on surviving a nigger mob and my advice of what I tell my young female teenaged relatives to BE AWARE that nigger mobs will rape and kill people in two seconds,. They're CONSCIOUS of this, and that is why they wont end up like the dead Bosnian. See the Reginald denny vid below? My relatives live in LA county where that occurred. they all know who RD is and have seen that video. After you replied to my common sense advice (basic right of self defense of how to survive a nigger mob) with derision for a yet unknown reason, Cynicom then said I was an insane white guilter for saying that 'only an idiot would confront a nigger mob in the street unarmed.'

to this moment you have not explained in common language why in the fuck my advice of not confronting a nigger mob unarmed was in any way 'cowardice' or 'white guilter'. Those 2 replies were looney, bizarre, and nonsensical not to mention hostile. and anyone can see that.

a non hostile reply would have been to say something like "Yes you're absolutely 100% correct that confronting a nigger mob unarmed in the street is insane, and it's great that you teach your young relatives about the true danger of nigger mobs, instead of allowing them to think what society tries to tell them, which is that black thugs and black mobs surrounding their cars are innocent and won't hurt them."

a so-called 'white guilter' would not teach their relatives about the danger of nigger mobs. A white guilter would claim that nigger monbs don't exist, or that you can approach nigger mobs unarmed,, like the dead clueless Bosnian did. A white guilter would tell their children that you should try to reason and pontificte with nigger mobs.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

I'm not sure if you have kids, but they become independent rather quickly. I'd love my kids to be armed, but none have expressed an interest. Have yours?

Maybe we need to rethink the criminalization of low-level thuggery/robbery? If it'll save another Mike Brown (who was just "keepin' it real")....

In Missouri, they might have ended up in a morgue for even walking down the center yellow lines in single file. In California, I think pedestrians have the legal right of way wherever they are in the street, which might have been a contributing factor there for why Reginald Denny's truck had to stop in park, unlike the Minneapolis car that kept driving. What a difference a State makes that way.

"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

That image should go viral! Unfortunately half the population thinks it is a valid argument.

Of course! Only a fool acts like a tough guy when he is greatly outnumbered by equally tough Negros. He should have acted meek, respectful, and drove off as soon as possible. That is what I would have done.

It is best to avoid fights because you might get injured or worse. I know the tendency is you want to teach them (Negros or whoever) a lesson. However, even if you win, they probably will not change and, even if they do, there are millions just like them and you can't change them all. Therefore, rather than putting oneself at risk, let other tough fools teach them a lesson.

Only cops are allowed to kill when they are in fear for their lives. The rest of us, who have had no training in how to deal properly with such situations, are nonetheless held to a higher standard than trained cops are.

This poor Bosnian wasn't as yet accumulated to the ways of the beta Western males that surround him in this nation. In time he would have run, but he simply wasn't sufficiently frightened by Blacks last week. I actually remember days gone by where most American males would have done the same thing. Long before your time no doubt.