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Title: Sorry, Fido. Pope Francis did NOT say our pets are going to heaven
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URL Source: http://www.religionnews.com/2014/12 ... cis-not-say-pets-going-heaven/
Published: Dec 14, 2014
Author: David Gibson Follow @gibsonwrites
Post Date: 2014-12-14 03:15:07 by Tatarewicz
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Views: 355
Comments: 15

(RNS) When Pope Francis recently sought to comfort a distraught boy whose dog had died, the pontiff took the sort of pastoral approach he is famous for — telling the youngster not to worry, that he would one day see his pet in heaven.

Yes, a version of that quotation was uttered by a pope, but it was said decades ago by Paul VI, who died in 1978. There is no evidence that Francis repeated the words during his public audience on Nov. 26, as has been widely reported, nor was there was a boy mourning his dead dog.

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Fran Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 answers the question about the eventuality of both man and animals: “For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them; as one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast; for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.” (King James version) So both man and animals go to the grave after death. However, dead mankind has a hope of resurrection back to life on earth during the millennial rule of God’s kingdom in the near future (John 3:16; 5:28,29; Acts 24:15). As to paradise, that is what meek mankind can also look forward to the entire earth becoming, during that rule as well. The animals on earth will also be at peace with one another (Isaiah 11:6-8) :-D

enness Actually, we’re called to be saints — not just good, but holy. “Good” cannot become another way of saying “mediocre” or “good enough.” And to this end, it does matter what we believe and profess, because we will tend to act that out whether we realize it or not. How do we know what is “good”? If each man is truly on his own in deciding, how can we not be easily mislead?

Earold D. Gunter enesse, Because all men will act in a manner that they would want other men to act, or they themselves will not survive. It’s that simple. No god needed.

Kathy Stuart I have been doing animal rescue work for many years. I personally don’t know or particularly care what any organized religion has to say about the souls of animals. I do know that when you lift up a tortured and abused dog and look into their eyes there is a soul looking back. If any church is not open enough to see and accept that then I believe they are not worth my time, nor anyone else’s.

marggie Kathy To the question do animals have souls like human beings? First the church does not deny that animals have souls so do plants but they do not have souls like ours. And since the soul is the principle of life and animals and plants are living things they have a soul but not like ours. Our souls (which are spiritual not material) are rational theirs are not Animals and plants can’t do anything which transcends the limitations of matter. Although some animals seem clever, they don’t actually possess conceptual intelligence. They can’t, for instance, conceive of the abstract notion of justice. They also lack a moral sense so if scolded for doing something and are told what they did was wrong no guilt is assigned to them since they cannot sin. Both animal and vegetable souls are dependent entirely on matter for their operation and being. They cease to exist at death. (There’s no “doggie heaven.”). Whether or not there are animals in heaven I guess we will have to wait until we get there to find out. Here is what St Theresa of Avila a great saint and doctor of the Church stated that we should be very kind to animals since it is the only heaven they know.

Atheist Max Where is the evidence for any of these claims about God or Heaven?? Popes just make a wish and decide that it came true. What childish, irresponsible nonsense. Religion is an ongoing assault on humanity, decency and integrity. If God exists it is notable that He doesn’t care enough to fix religion! “Slay them all” (Surah/Q’uran) “Execute them” – Jesus “Kill the unbelievers in Daylight” – Yahweh (Deut.) Enough! ____ AM For Peace, Humanity and The Separation of Church and State

Peter Gibson is welcome to deny that the Pope said, “Paradise is open to all of God’s creatures”. He can deny it as much as he likes. But the plain fact is: the Pope has neither confirmed nor denied the authenticity of his conversation with a young child. Gibson claims confusion with an earlier Pope and that Francis has had no such conversation, but photographic evidence shows otherwise. You can see a photo of Pope Francis with the boy at http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-animals-go-to-heaven-2014-12?IR=T Until the Pope either confirms or denies the conversation, Gibson is only saying, “I don’t think the Pope had such a conversation”. Does Gibson spend all his time in the personal company of the Pope? Of course not. So let the Pope himself confirm or deny the story. I think the reported words were said by Pope Francis, as he loves animals and is keen to bring the Catholic Church into the modern world. It fits his character. Gibson can deny animals eternal life if he wishes, but I have no doubt that they do pass into the afterlife. Opinions will differ. Catholics themselves are divided on the issue.

Bill Everyone, please read this excellent article if you get enough time to do that. I’m a Thomist, since I usually agree with St. Thomas Aquinas. He thinks animals have mortal souls. But now that I’ve read the article, I would be surprised if I didn’t find our pets in Heaven. http://www.christianorder.com/features/features_2012/features_may12.html

Walter Wenger As a Confirmed Roman Catholic (as is the Pope, by the way) the Bible and Church teaching are quite definitive on this point. The final creation of God was man, whom He created and then breathed into man life, thus giving man a soul. Everything else was created before He created Adam, and God did NOT breathe into any of His creation, except for man (Adam). His soul. Only mankind has a soul, nothing else in creation has a soul. The soul is what survives physical death. Therefore, only people — human beings — man, having a soul, survive physical death and can be in heaven. To claim that animals — of any kind — or plants, or rocks, or ETs, etc. have souls and therefore can be in heaven is pure blasphemy and will subject the believer to the eternal torments of Hell! This is not ME stating this truth, it is the Holy Roman Catholic Church which has stated this as truth; if you disagree, please do not criticize me for speaking the truth, it is the Catholic Church who states this as truth. If you refuse to hold to this as truth, you cannot be a faithful Catholic, and thus, by Catholic Church teaching, you cannot be saved and so you are destined for eternal damnation, once you attain the age of reason, seven years old. The nuns and parish priests in the Parochial school I attended were very definitive about this!

Juan Oskar This article makes sense. News outlets seem to be making up things about the Holy Father and nobody (Bishops and priests) are challenging it. Now for my opinion. :) Dogs have souls but are not created in the likeness of God. I’ve had several dogs and hope they are all in ‘dog heaven’. But I have one dog right now that I know will do some purgatory time. ;) JO

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Adding to the numerous comments on the issue.....

Michael Newton's take, as I read him: Souls generally do not inhabit animals. They are purely flesh and blood. However, all animals generate completely unique vibrational patterns which can be recovered in the spirit world. With that, pets can be recreated in absolute authenticity. This recreation is of such perfection that the result is the same animal in every respect.

Is a nutshell, in spite of being soulless entities, pets can be in heaven if they are desired.

Pinguinite  posted on  2014-12-14   11:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite (#1)

Souls generally do not inhabit animals. They are purely flesh and blood.

Then why is it so painfully evident that animals have MORE soul than most humans? They know how to actually love unconditionally and forgive daily. Pets are a little heaven here on Earth. Humans are FAR more inclined to act with no compassion than animals.

Michael Newton is wrong, IMHO.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2014-12-14   13:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

One day around 15 years ago I came home from work, felt very tired and decided to take a nap. As I was sleeping, a voice came to me and told me my then 3 1/2 year old cat would go to the same place I would go after he died. I woke up and thought that was odd. Later that evening, my cat escaped and was killed by 2 roaming pit bulls.

Diana  posted on  2014-12-14   14:09:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Diana (#3)

This episode proved to me that dogs go to heaven. I'm not so sure about cats.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt_(The_Twilight_Zone)

Fred Mertz  posted on  2014-12-14   14:30:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: abraxas (#2)

Then why is it so painfully evident that animals have MORE soul than most humans? They know how to actually love unconditionally and forgive daily. Pets are a little heaven here on Earth. Humans are FAR more inclined to act with no compassion than animals.

I don't claim to have all answers, and I know Newton doesn't either. He only relates what his clients tell him, minimizing his own interpretations of that information, and always open to more information to correct what interpretations he invariably makes.

Newton does not categorically state that pets are soulless. That's merely my inference. He does say that souls are birthed in the spirit world, and it would seem that the spirit world is the only place where souls can originate from. Souls are not created by conception or birth of any species, including human, dog, or cat conception. To me, this makes complete sense, and explains why we are loved enormously. It has nothing to do with our human bodies, and everything to do with our true origin in the spirit world.

Souls inhabit humans because human bodies and minds are an excellent vehicle in which to be challenged spiritually, but it seems there is nothing limiting souls to only inhabiting humans. Souls can roam this universe without limits and bind to pretty much anything in it, so it should be possible for souls to take up residence in a pet, just as souls do with human bodies. It would likely not be a challenging existence, however, which would be reason for it not to happen. But it does seem clear, that if there is a soul in a pet, it's not because it was created with the pet's birth, but because a soul decided to take up residence in it. That can't be ruled out.

Again, that is my inferrence/opinion on the matter. I do have a mini schnauzer myself I'm quite fond of, and my understanding gives me a pleasing confidence that we'll be together in heaven just as we're together now. Only it will be better because she won't poo in the back yard. Or if she does, I won't have to clean it up. Unless I want to. She won't pee in the house either.

Pinguinite  posted on  2014-12-14   14:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Fred Mertz, dog lovers, 4 (#4)

the hunt is fantastic -

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers.

I'm with Will.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-14   16:49:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Diana (#3)

Later that evening, my cat escaped and was killed by 2 roaming pit bulls.

awwwww...I'm so sorry. That had to have been awful for the poor little thing and for you.

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2014-12-14   17:21:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#1)

All sentient beings are sentient BECAUSE they have a soul. It is the soul which feels, thinks, and animates the body it inhabits.

The brain is nothing more than a focal point where the soul interacts with the body, and controls the body's automatic responses and functions.

Memories, dreams, and ideas are all in the MIND, which is not the brain, but the soul...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2014-12-14   17:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: FormerLurker (#8)

All sentient beings are sentient BECAUSE they have a soul. It is the soul which feels, thinks, and animates the body it inhabits.

The brain is nothing more than a focal point where the soul interacts with the body, and controls the body's automatic responses and functions.

Memories, dreams, and ideas are all in the MIND, which is not the brain, but the soul...

I believe that - thanks for the elucidation.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-14   17:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod (#9)

To me, the closer you are to understanding God, the more you realize ALL life is precious.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2014-12-14   17:33:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker (#10)

To me, the closer you are to understanding God, the more you realize ALL life is precious.

So true.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-14   21:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: FormerLurker (#8)

All sentient beings are sentient BECAUSE they have a soul. It is the soul which feels, thinks, and animates the body it inhabits.

The brain is nothing more than a focal point where the soul interacts with the body, and controls the body's automatic responses and functions.

Memories, dreams, and ideas are all in the MIND, which is not the brain, but the soul...

We're very much in agreement!

Nitpicking, I do prefer to avoid the inference that "bodies have souls". Bodies don't have souls. Rather it's souls that have bodies. It's an important distinction, in my view, even though I often find myself saying/thinking it wrong myself.

Also, Newton says there are memories that are a function of both the physical mind as well as the soul. We remember on both levels, the conscience (brain) as well as the subconscious (soul) level. It's why hypnosis is a good tool for accessing the soul memories. Souls remember everything, which is why many people have phobias that they cannot explain.

Pinguinite  posted on  2014-12-15   1:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: abraxas (#5)

Dang, Abraxas, I happen to recheck this thread and now notice my post is missing a paragraph or two, jumping from the idea that pets are soulless to their being with us in the after / between life spirit world. While the "technical" details (as much as that word could apply to this extra-dimensional place we call heaven) according to Newton are not fully clear, and never will be, the bottom line is that, yes, our pets can be with us in the spirit world if we desire them to be. I think I recall accurately Newton quoting one client, saying of those having no love or fondness for pets: "This is their loss".

My inference on Newton's info, however accurate or not, expanding from the prior post...

All living creatures emit some completely unique vibrational frequency that radiates through the cosmos, including into the spiritual dimension, where it exists for all time. This includes our human bodies as well as our pets. In the extra-dimensional spirit world, this vibration can be recovered and used to "recreate" a creature in perfect and complete detail, such that it is truly the same animal in every way. I put "recreate" in quotes as the normal use of the term implies a copy, but I think in this case "copy" does not describe the creature. It instead really is the same animal/pet, in every respect. Their behavior, tricks that they learned, and memories of you all included.

That could mean that cleaning up poo in heaven is something that will, in fact, need to be done. Whether that can be changed....??

Again, this is my inference on Newton's work. Our words and descriptions, not to mention our understanding, are woefully inadequate in discussing the extra-dimensional spirit world. That should be expected as the human minds we reason with are locked into and designed to work only with this universe. I hope this explanation resonates better with you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2014-12-16   23:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Fred Mertz (#4)

This episode proved to me that dogs go to heaven. I'm not so sure about cats.

There is a reason that cats are witch's familiar and not dogs. Because cats are evil and do the bidding of their master Satan!

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2014-12-26   13:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#12)

Bodies don't have souls. Rather it's souls that have bodies.

Absolutely correct. Thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-26   13:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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