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Title: White Missouri cop kills armed black 18-year-old
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/police-office ... -man-pulled-gun-084531706.html
Published: Dec 24, 2014
Author: AP
Post Date: 2014-12-24 09:24:56 by Jethro Tull
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BERKELEY, Mo. (AP) — Violent protests broke out again in suburban St. Louis after another fatal shooting of a black 18-year-old by a white police officer. The shooting happened around 11:15 p.m. Tuesday at a convenience store in Berkeley, Missouri, just a few miles from Ferguson, where Michael Brown, an unarmed black 18-year-old, was killed by a white officer in August. St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar says the Berkeley shooting victim was black and the officer white. Belmar says police were called about a theft and as the officer questioned two men, one pointed a gun at him. The officer fired three shots. One hit the gunman. A violent protest broke out. Two officers were injured, police cars were damaged and fire was set at a QuikTrip store. Four people were arrested. Poster Comment: Obama might have to break away from his Hawaii vacation long enough to address the in-progress, long-time-in-coming, race war.
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BERKELEY, Mo. - A police officer shot and killed an 18-year-old Tuesday in Berkeley, Missouri, authorities said – sparking new unrest in a region already reeling following an August police shooting in nearby Ferguson. As ABC News reports, the shooting happened at 11:15 p.m. Tuesday at a Mobil gas station, St. Louis County Police public information officer Sgt. Brian Schellman said. According to Schellman, the officer said he noticed two males on the side of the gas station building and approached, when one of the men pulled out a handgun and pointed it at the officer. “Fearing for his life, the Berkeley officer fired several shots, striking the subject, fatally wounding him,” Schellman said in a statement. The shooting is under investigation, and the deceased man’s handgun was recovered, Schellman said. The victim’s identity has not been officially released, but the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports the victim's mother identified him as Antonio Martin, 18. His mother, Toni Martin, said her son was with his girlfriend at the time of the shooting and refuted police claims that her son was carrying a gun. He was trying to get his life back on track after getting expelled from school, she said. Dozens of protesters arrived on the scene shortly after the shooting, and remained there overnight. The Post-Dispatch also reported the man's body remained on the ground of the parking lot of the gas station for at least two hours, and that the gas station appears to have security cameras that are trained on the parking lot. As video shows, at one point explosive flashes were set off at the protesters. Turning his life around, an aspiring rapper no doubt...can't they at least come up with something new? corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
I bet that isn't the only spook in his closet. I was taught that if a weapon was ever drawn, it was immediately discharged until there were no rounds left to fire. What sort of imbecile "points" a weapon at anyone, much less a cop? “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I was taught that if a weapon were ever drawn, it was immediately discharged until there were no rounds left to fire. What sort of imbecile "points" a weapon at anyone, much less a cop? “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
IMO most of society is in need of a good purge. The problem is that what comes out the other end is not guaranteed, far from it, in fact the odds of it happening as such are remote. I think that civilization in terms of being civil, given all of the technology that exists today, is a thing of the past. Unfortunately even the near past. Between governments using technology for control purposes, to people using it in a spiteful manner, to all other uses, I fail to see how society will ever become more civilized vice less civilized, particularly as those technologies increase. Technology has ruined society at the benign personal communications level to a large extent. How much more so technological advances that are created for use by oppressive governments, which is essentially all of the western world's governments which are run by the anti-Christ-ians.
BERKELEY, Mo. — Surveillance video released by authorities show a confrontation that ended with an armed black man shot and killed by a white police officer Tuesday night, police said. The shooting happened a few miles from Ferguson, where a white police officer fatally shot Michael Brown in August, sparking months of civil unrest. St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said video from the scene has been released to the media. St. Louis County police spokesman Sgt. Brian Schellman said a police officer saw two males at the side of a gas station while conducting a routine business check at about 11:15 p.m. He approached them and one of the men pulled a handgun and pointed it at the officer, Schellman said in a statement. "Fearing for his life, the Berkeley officer fired several shots, striking the subject, fatally wounding him. The second subject fled the scene," Schellman said. Belmar said the unnamed 18-year-old suspect was armed with a pistol. After the officer, a six-year veteran of the Berkeley police department, engaged the suspect, Belmar said the video shows the officer rapidly move backward then fire three shots. One shot struck the suspect, another struck the tire of the officer's patrol car and it is unknown where the third shot hit. Police do not believe the suspect fired any shots. Belmar said another man who was with the suspect fled and is considered a person of interest in the case. He said there were at least three witnesses to the shooting. - USA Today The officer was not wearing the body cam issued to him at the time of the shooting. It's unknown if there's dash cam footage from his patrol car. Full-screen the video. Ffw to 1:30. The image is stamped in the upper left with the words "CAMERA 29." Look to the right of the "9" to see the suspect emerge and raise his hand with what looks from a distance to be a gun. Vid stops there unfortunately out of respect for the family of the deceased. - r. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
What sort of imbecile "points" a weapon at anyone, much less a cop? Agreed, but today, since when are cops up to any good as well? Why did the cop go bother them there in the first place? I'm not defending them, but just carrying a gun isn't a crime. At least not to non-cops for whom chewing gum improperly or not to the cop's liking is a crime often worthy of death or certainly tazing and a severe beating. It's unfortunate, but this is how society has devolved in modern day America. I refuse to back these psychotic losers simply because the person that they approached for unknown and perhaps not even any justifiable reason whatsoever other than to make every damn facet of life their business, something that has no moral basis either, happened to have a gun and who knows, may not even have been up to any good as many are. But cops aren't up to any good either generally speaking. They're to be avoided at all costs. They're nothing but a government sponsored gang, many of whom are psychotic, the rest of which are sociopathic. I refuse to take sides in these societaly dividing issues. Both sides are wrong, the cops and the perps. If the cops wouldn't be perps when they have nothing better to do they would get more support from society, but their psychosis and egos will not allow that to be the case any more these days. So unfortunately they'll have to continue to reap what they've at least partially sown.
I heartily endorse the avoidance concept. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I agree, and whether one wants it or not the National, racial crack-up is in progress and like a boulder rolling down hill the momentum can't be stopped. The specific incidents that we read about daily no longer matter as the battle lines have been drawn. There will be no reasoning, no compromise, no peace. The most recent intentional collapse of our Southern border, along with the expansion of Havana into Southern Florida, adds to the numbers of Browns and Blacks who will quickly be taught to hate Whites. I'm not the least bit surprised by all of this, nor am I unprepared. I've been expecting it for decades. It's not as if there's much of a choice these days. It's remarkable how many of our friends we talk to that randomly come out with similar statements as to how they've taught their children to never approach cops. If I were a cop I'd either think of quitting and taking on a new profession or becoming vocal as to why Americans are increasingly thinking this way and addressing the real problem. The problem there is that they'd all almost instantly become quasi-Serpicos. In the same way that a white person avoids a problematic black ghetto neighborhood at night, or that one generally does not take a stroll down a crime-laden neighborhood otherwise, approaching the cops these days is no difference. You never have the first damn clue what petty emotional stimulus is going to set one of these cops off. Could be something as stupid as they don't like the way you look. When a cell phone can be construed, at least in the legal defense sense, as a weapon, then Houston we have a problem to say the least. It's unfortunate that the ones that have much perspective on this are now 50-ish or older and rememember the old community cop days if not the days of the neighborhood beat cops. Others are too young to have much perspective and 9/11 and other related nonsense has clouded their collective judgement.
That's very true for as unfortunate as it is. Ya know, I hear ya, but at the same time I'm not sure that it's possible for anyone to be prepared for it. We have no idea the outcome. Unless one is living in a perfectly self-sustaining eco-system in a rural area that's too much trouble to get to in time of crisis, armed to the teeth with a perfectly defensible home, and of course the more readily available food & supply stash, I'm not sure that there is something that can be construed as being prepared. IMO once the SHTF all hell's going to break loose and what we see now as psycho cops and military are going to look like child's play compared to what's coming. Given the technological advances over decades past, and rapidly advancing ones, I have absolutely no doubt that the populace at large is exactly foolish enough to A, not have been minimally prepared to begin with, by having armed themselves for example, and B, to invite the establishment and its armed contingent to "defend them" which of course is going to do absolutely nothing but give them license to take what they're doing now to extreme levels by eradicating large portions of society at once a la some of the greatest historical civilian massacres and executions on record, while simultaneously "detaining" via "detention camps" which have a history in this country within our borders as well, and no small one, people that dissent with anything that they do. The only true liberty and freedom at that point will be fighting to the death since I don't view the side of the forces of true liberty as being nearly armed well enough to be able to emerge victorious. Kind of like the Zionists vs. the Palestineans and we've seen the results there. As I've said before, we're all Palestineans now. We all may not realize it quite yet, but it's the case. The latest "civil" financial manifestation of it is this oppressionary "Obamacare" and the way that the entire "health care" industrial complex has become nothing but the next in a long string of slave-making developments.
Correct. They want us either dependent or dead, and preferably, the latter. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
True, but in most cases much better armed than the rock throwing Palestineans. Not that resistance to what's coming is anything more than a suicide mission, but if thought thru properly, many will tumble before we do. An ultra ugly thought on what for me will be a fun day, but reality is what it is regardless of the calendar. They want us either dependent or dead, and preferably, the latter. Indeed. One of the articles posted today implied that few people want the truth anymore and how people are prone to just wanting to believe what's emotionally convenient for them. At that point, at least in my mind, short of family, this world becomes one major step closer to unlivable. Even those in so-called "christian" environments, perhaps even particularly them, support lies such that in doing so they trample the core of their own supposed beliefs. I long for some people that simply enjoy getting together regularly to play cards or sit and talk over a beer or two, but that's all disappearing as people seem to prefer to interact electronically these days.
I hear ya, but look, no "home defense" set-up is capable of dealing with a militarily armed police unit and 50 troops that are more than fully prepared to launch gas and flash-bang grenades into your home prior to unleashing the hell of dozens of militarily geared-up police goons into your home to immediately shoot dead anything that even remotely appears to be armed. Hell, they even do this on "wrong door knocks" as if knocking has any meaning in that case. That's why the term for them as being "heroes" is so hilarious. These clowns don't do anything unless they have a significant tactical advantage which always includes a corrupt and immoral "justice"/legal establishment on their side going in which they know. I mean where's the "heroism" in a half-dozen armed cops tazing and beating lifeless some guy on the side of the road that moments beforehand was minding his own business. This country has lost its collective marbles.
Not much one can do about the above, but that shouldn't preclude us from preparing for public random attacks by racist Blacks & Browns. These situations can be equalized by arming yourself, training properly, and knowing how to respond to the authorities immediately afterward. The last part should be the easiest to get, but for reasons I'll never understand ppl invariably open their mouths and say something they regret later on. To say anything beyond, "I want my lawyer" and "I was in immediate fear of my live" is shear stupidity. Aspiring astrophyzzeezist.....'n sheeit. Officer kills 18-year-old in shooting near Ferguson, Missouri - WRTV6 (ABC/Indianpolis)
#4. To: Dakmar (#3)
He was trying to get his life back on track after getting expelled from school
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
From my perspective, most of Whitey is in need of a good purge. Good riddance. On the other hand those who have a clue are prepared for what is about to come down.
#8. To: Lod, All (#6)
#9. To: Lod (#5)
(Edited)
I was taught that if a weapon was ever drawn, it was immediately discharged until there were no rounds left to fire.
#10. To: Katniss (#9)
But cops aren't up to any good either generally speaking. They're to be avoided at all costs.
#11. To: Katniss (#7)
IMO most of society is in need of a good purge.
#12. To: Lod (#10)
I heartily endorse the avoidance concept.
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
The specific incidents that we read about daily no longer matter as the battle lines have been drawn. There will be no reasoning, no compromise, no peace.
I'm not the least bit surprised by all of this, nor am I unprepared.
#14. To: Katniss (#13)
The latest "civil" financial manifestation of it is this oppressionary "Obamacare" and the way that the entire "health care" industrial complex has become nothing but the next in a long string of slave-making developments.
#15. To: Katniss (#13)
As I've said before, we're all Palestineans now.
#16. To: Lod (#14)
Correct.
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
True, but in most cases much better armed than the rock throwing Palestineans. Not that resistance to what's coming is anything more than a suicide mission, but if thought thru properly, many will tumble before we do. An ultra ugly thought on what for me will be a fun day, but reality is what it is regardless of the calendar.
#18. To: Katniss (#17)
a militarily armed police unit and 50 troops that are more than fully prepared to launch gas and flash-bang grenades into your home prior to unleashing the hell of dozens of militarily geared-up police goons into your home to immediately shoot dead anything that even remotely appears to be armed.
#19. To: Dakmar (#3)
Turning his life around, an aspiring rapper no doubt...can't they at least come up with something new?
-Alex Kurtagic
#20. To: Katniss (#13)
The sheriff's deputies where I live don't even have radar to catch speeders, but a few have loose AR-15's rattling around in the backs of their patrol vehicles and that's pretty high-tech for this area :) I think their biggest fear is colliding with a loose cow standing in the road on foggy mornings. Given the technological advances over decades past
-Alex Kurtagic
#21. To: Dakmar (#3)
Din Donuffin was a goot boy. You must be a rayciss. Turning his life around, an aspiring rapper no doubt...can't they at least come up with something new?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
#22. To: Katniss (#16)
Great point. Back in late '70s - '90s our neighbor and I would visit, smoke, drink and have good conversation. We've both since moved, and neither have that personal interaction with our current neighbors. Our electronics have robbed us of the personal touch, to our detriment...or we've allowed them to... I long for some people that simply enjoy getting together regularly to play cards or sit and talk over a beer or two, but that's all disappearing as people seem to prefer to interact electronically these days.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#23. To: Katniss (#16) (Edited)
I adore my neighbors, but they get alarmed when I visit with tales of Frankfurt School, cultural Marxism, and even free markets. The internet provides a meeting place for those with similar concerns, which is great, otherwise I would feel completely isolated. I went and visited my parents today, it being Christmas Eve and all. My Dad went off on some some tangent about Sarah Palin, he decided he was a Liberal a couple years ago and likes to rub Republican idiocy in my face, thinking I guess that I'm a Republican. I got him to admit that Obama is a stooge, good enough for a 15 minute discussion, but it goes deeper. I love the old man, it hurts that he doesn't want to take a deeper look at the big picture. He is a smart guy, and used to be much more amenable to common sense, although I do remember seeing TIME Magazine in the house as far back as 1972. Then I went to my Mom's, she is totally apolitical, so at least doesn't fight me when I point out the idiocy in the current media narrative. :) Point is, middle America is getting fed up with being labelled the villain, neither of my parents are Sharpton friendly these days, and that's a good thing! I long for some people that simply enjoy getting together regularly to play cards or sit and talk over a beer or two, but that's all disappearing as people seem to prefer to interact electronically these days.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#24. To: Dakmar, 4 (#23)
www.nola.com/crime/index....oting.html#incart_m-rpt-2 This country will soon be toast. another tennis shoe shooting -
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#25. To: Dakmar (#23)
Best you get down to Waco TX asap.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#26. To: Lod (#25)
LOL Lod, I never had any intention of moving to Waco, I was and still am considering moving to Tulsa.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#27. To: Lod (#24)
"It's not the way that you want the holiday season to end," Putting all that in the rock opera I'm writing: C-D-E#-D... :) another tennis shoe shooting -
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#28. To: Dakmar (#26)
Dax - Just watch a couple episodes of Fixer Upper on HGTV and you'll be totally sold on the benefits of immediately moving to Jerusalem on the Brazos. Were I only as half-wealthy and footloose as you, I'd have been there a few years back...if only... Too soon olde and too late smart.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#29. To: Lod (#28) (Edited)
I appreciate your concern for my spiritual well-being Lod, but the sole impetus for moving to Tulsa revolves around job training, ei - when new projects are launched most employees are gathered in a conference room, while I am stuck listening via phone, not conducive to fine detail. I would face the same obstacles in Waco that I face in Naptown. Or Muscogee, for that matter. Being in the actual training Conference Room is really the only surefire solution to AV eccentricities.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#30. To: Dakmar (#29)
Ah! I was unaware of the physical restraints of a relocation. Tulsa's a swell town, both my parents were Okies, so you're good to go there, any questions, just have the authorities dial me in.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
Agreed I think that after that the cops always search the home and take all weapons anyway. Talk about a losing situation. Besides, as we've seen, all bets are off when dealing with cops anyway. Even those responses will get different responses from them. They just don't care anymore and they don't have to. Not much one can do about the above, but that shouldn't preclude us from preparing for public random attacks by racist Blacks & Browns. These situations can be equalized by arming yourself, training properly, and knowing how to respond to the authorities immediately afterward. The last part should be the easiest to get, but for reasons I'll never understand ppl invariably open their mouths and say something they regret later on. To say anything beyond, "I want my lawyer" and "I was in immediate fear of my live" is shear stupidity.
#32. To: X-15 (#20)
LOL Funny you mention their biggest fears though, it's intersting that all of a sudden there seems to be a rash of random cop attacks. I've been saying for a long while that at some point the cops would make a public plea, as they're not doing, but they'll have so turned people off that they won't get support. They're getting some now but most of it seems to be contrived in the media, and no doubt of course the neocons. But I see a pretty good sized split. I take neither side and have no pity for either, both have made their own soup. I think their biggest fear is colliding with a loose cow standing in the road on foggy mornings.
#33. To: Lod (#30)
I have been to Center of the Universe: Not quite as cool as the buildup led me to believe. :) Tulsa's a swell town, both my parents were Okies, so you're good to go there, any questions, just have the authorities dial me in.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#34. To: Dakmar (#23)
LMAO Yeah, I here ya, but sometimes it's also just fun to go talk about bullshit, sports, and the like and have some fun playing games, eh. My Dad, a classic neocon, jokes about me joining ISIS and becoming muslim. Maybe I'll send him a Happy Ramadan e-mail tomorrow. I have little to say to such stupidity at a real level. The vast majority of people simply enjoy living in a media spawned and contrived dream sequence permanently. It's tough to have any real conversations with those types. I adore my neighbors, but they get alarmed when I visit with tales of Frankfurt School, cultural Marxism, and even free markets. The internet provides a meeting place for those with similar concerns, which is great, otherwise I would feel completely isolated.
#35. To: Katniss (#34)
They tend to self-abort from my life, thankfully. The vast majority of people simply enjoy living in a media spawned and contrived dream sequence permanently.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#36. To: Katniss (#34) (Edited)
For all his faults, my Dad at least listens to reason. He only decided he was a liberal like three years ago, and a lot of it was pure brainwashing, watching CBS and being told Michelle Bachman was the face of the GOP and whatnot. Ok, she mostly was, really, but I have managed to get him to separate the philosphy from the freaks.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#37. To: Katniss (#34)
I wish we could resurrect the old MS Midtown Madness-2 shared game sites, there was something eternally wholesome about running a 428CJ Mustang up Telegraph Hill at 154 mph. Yeah, I here ya, but sometimes it's also just fun to go talk about bullshit, sports, and the like and have some fun playing games, eh.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#38. To: Dakmar (#36)
My parents and non-immediate family are all IF-ers. To them anyone that isn't, ironically, is on Satan's side. For all his faults, my Dad at least listens to reason. He only decided he was a liberal like three years ago, and a lot of it was pure brainwashing, watching CBS and being told Michelle Bachman was the face of the GOP and whatnot. Ok, she mostly was, really, but I have managed to get him to separate the philosphy from the freaks.
#39. To: Katniss (#38)
IF(?) - LOL, been into the cognac tonight, a gift from Dad, lol. My grandparents used to pray before every meal, every television program, every carwash; I get why my dad rebelled against that world, but it's no reason to subsidize ghetto morons.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#40. To: Katniss (#38)
Life is but a dream....
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#41. To: Katniss, Abraxas, Lod, Christine, Lod, farmfriend, James Deffenbach (#40)
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#42. To: Dakmar (#39)
Israeli-Firsters
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