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Title: Prove Christ exists, judge orders priest
Source: Times Online UK
URL Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl ... 00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=World
Published: Jan 3, 2006
Author: Richard Owen
Post Date: 2006-01-03 14:45:31 by Zipporah
Keywords: exists,, Christ, orders
Views: 114
Comments: 6

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AN ITALIAN judge has ordered a priest to appear in court this month to prove that Jesus Christ existed.

The case against Father Enrico Righi has been brought in the town of Viterbo, north of Rome, by Luigi Cascioli, a retired agronomist who once studied for the priesthood but later became a militant atheist.

Signor Cascioli, author of a book called The Fable of Christ, began legal proceedings against Father Righi three years ago after the priest denounced Signor Cascioli in the parish newsletter for questioning Christ’s historical existence.

Yesterday Gaetano Mautone, a judge in Viterbo, set a preliminary hearing for the end of this month and ordered Father Righi to appear. The judge had earlier refused to take up the case, but was overruled last month by the Court of Appeal, which agreed that Signor Cascioli had a reasonable case for his accusation that Father Righi was “abusing popular credulity”.

Signor Cascioli’s contention — echoed in numerous atheist books and internet sites — is that there was no reliable evidence that Jesus lived and died in 1st-century Palestine apart from the Gospel accounts, which Christians took on faith. There is therefore no basis for Christianity, he claims.

Signor Cascioli’s one-man campaign came to a head at a court hearing last April when he lodged his accusations of “abuse of popular credulity” and “impersonation”, both offences under the Italian penal code. He argued that all claims for the existence of Jesus from sources other than the Bible stem from authors who lived “after the time of the hypothetical Jesus” and were therefore not reliable witnesses.

Signor Cascioli maintains that early Christian writers confused Jesus with John of Gamala, an anti-Roman Jewish insurgent in 1st-century Palestine. Church authorities were therefore guilty of “substitution of persons”.

The Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius mention a “Christus” or “Chrestus”, but were writing “well after the life of the purported Jesus” and were relying on hearsay.

Father Righi said there was overwhelming testimony to Christ’s existence in religious and secular texts. Millions had in any case believed in Christ as both man and Son of God for 2,000 years.

“If Cascioli does not see the sun in the sky at midday, he cannot sue me because I see it and he does not,” Father Righi said.

Signor Cascioli said that the Gospels themselves were full of inconsistencies and did not agree on the names of the 12 apostles. He said that he would withdraw his legal action if Father Righi came up with irrefutable proof of Christ’s existence by the end of the month.

The Vatican has so far declined to comment.

THE EVIDENCE

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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)

In his Antiquities of the Jews at the end of the 1st century, Josephus, the Jewish historian, refers to Jesus as “a wise man, a doer of wonderful works” who “drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles”

God will blind the proud at any rate, but for those who have eyes to see:

Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.

Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Mat/23/38.html

Matthew - Chapter 24

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Mat/24/2.html

The Wars of The Jews

History of the Destruction of Jerusalem

BY Flavius Josephus [***A PHARISEE]

(Written in AD75)

Book VII, Chapter 8, Section 7

Jerusalem Was Demolished to the Very Foundations

http://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/jo-7-8-7.html

Book VI, Chapter 5, Section 3 (Entire) [FAMOUS CHAPTER]

The Signs That Preceded The Destruction [MIRACULOUS]

http://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/jo-6-5-3.html

INDEX

http://www.preteristarchive.c om/JewishWars/

Jhn 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Jhn 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Jhn 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/2/21.html

Thus were the scriptures fulfilled: The stone the builders rejected [see 1 Kings 5 ] became the head of the corner:

1Ch 22:9 — Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon [that is, "PEACEable"; Isaiah 9:6], and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/1Ch/22/9.html

1Ch 22:10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I [will be] his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/1Ch/22/10.html

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/21/43.html

Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Mat 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Mat 21:46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

May the Truth set us free, and bring us Peace.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-01-03   18:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#1)

I see you posted info from the Preterist archive.. Most Christians have little knowledge of what happened to Jerusalem.. and aren't aware that the jews were taken to Rome as slave labor to build the coliseum.

At any rate.. this was surprising to me that this case was in Italy..

This verse:

Mat 21:46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

sums it up .. and Jesus himself claimed to be God.. in many verses particularly in the book of John..so either he was a liar or was what he claimed.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-03   18:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah, Eoghan, wbales (#0)

“Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, Emperor Claudius expelled them from Rome.”

2 millennia and nothing's really changed

It is useless to attack men who could not be controlled even if conquered, while failure would leave us in an even worse position...
~Thucydides (Thucydides was an Athenian historian, born in the 5th century, BC. Here, he is quoting the Athenian general Nikias on the proposed invasion of Sicily during the Peloponnesian War.)

robin  posted on  2006-01-03   18:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#3)

No doubt the ordeal was as trying as any exorcism...Roman conversion was inevitable...

“Yes, but is this good for the Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-01-03   18:55:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zipporah, Coral Snake (#2)

and Jesus himself claimed to be God.. in many verses particularly in the book of John..so either he was a liar or was what he claimed.

Jesus IS God, something I didn't even understand until a few years ago, when I started studying the Bible on my own. Isaiah 9:6 sums that up:

Isa 9:6 — For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

See the link.

http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Isa/9/6.html

Then see this one:

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Jdg/13/18.html

Jdg 13:18 — And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it [is] secret? [Spoken to the parents of Samson, a Danite.]

"Secret" is deliberately mistranslated in the KJV:

secret "or, wonderful. It was because his name was secret that Manoah wished to know it. But the angel does not say it was secret, but hoo pailee, ""it is wonderful;"" the very character given to the Messiah: ""His name shall be called pailai, Wonderful,"" Isa 9:6."

See what I wrote to Coral Snake #14 regarding the Tribe of Dan [which I haven't had time to go back to]:

http://216.133.76.156/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=17141

Jesus didn't come to bring us a religion, as in Catholic, Protestant, or any of the hundreds of variatians. He came to bring mankind back to Himself, as the Father.

Great website here:

THE ONENESS OF GOD

http://www.thun derministries.com/Messianic/MessianicP.htm

Scroll down to JESUS IS GOD [my personal favorite]

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-01-04   10:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zipporah (#0)

I might say to that Italian fellow, can you prove Mohammed existed? Or Buddha? Or Confucious? Or Alexander the Great for that matter....when it comes right down to it, in my genealogical studies, I can't prove that my gggggggrandfather from 250 years or so existed. I have a couple of references to him, but no hard data like birth certificates, death certificates, etc. I tend to think he actually did exist though....

mehitable  posted on  2006-01-04   10:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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