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Title: Paris Killings: Terrorism or False Flag?
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Published: Jan 8, 2015
Author: Stephen Lendman
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Paris Killings: Terrorism or False Flag? by Stephen Lendman Things aren't always as they seem. When incidents like this happen, take nothing at face value. Be wary. Be suspicious. Deception often substitutes for reality. More on this below. On Wednesday, three heavily armed masked men attacked the Paris-based satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo. Known for lampooning Islam, other religions and political figures. The incident took place in broad daylight. Killing 12. Wounding eight others. MSM reports didn't surprise. Headlines screamed "terrorism." BBC was typical. "Unprecedented terrorism," it said. "France has never seen terror like this." New York Times editors said the "massacre…motivated by hate." Calling what happened "terrorism." Washington Post editors said "Charlie Hebdo stands for free expression. The West must do no less." Wall Street Journal editors headlined "Islamist Terror in Paris," saying: "Wednesday's massacre…is a reminder that jihadism isn't a distant Middle Eastern phenomenon." "There will be many more such attempts at mass murder, and authorities in the US and Europe need broad authority to surveil and interrogate potential plotters to stop them." "(V)iolent Islam isn't a reaction to poverty or Western policies in the Middle East." "It is an ideological challenge to Western civilization and principles…" Los Angeles times editors headlined "Paris terrorists aimed at freedom of expression, we must defend it." Calling the attackers "terrorists." Chicago Tribune editors headlined "Terror in France." Calling the incident an attempt to "stifle" free expression. London Guardian editors referred to "guns…trained on free speech." French President Francois Hollande called the attack an assault on "the expression of freedom…the spirit of the republic." On prime time evening television, he said: "Today the French republic as a whole was the target." He declared Thursday a national day of mourning. Obama called Hollande from Air Force One. A White House statement said he "personally offer(ed) his condolences." "(E)xpress(ed) solidarity after this morning's horrific terrorist attack in Paris." "Americans stand beside the people of France in the aftermath of this outrage." Offered US "resources" to help bring the perpetrators to justice. "(A)nd anyone who helped plan or enable this terrorist attack." Hard-right National Front leader Marine Le Pen said "(t)he nation is under attack, our culture, our way of life. France must be in the war against Islamic fundamentalism. They are at war against France." In 2006, Charlie Hebdo (CH) reprinted controversial Prophet Muhammad cartoons. Originally published by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. On November 2, 2011, CH's office was fire-bombed. Its web site hacked. After its special edition called "Charia Hebdo." The Prophet Muhammad listed as "editor-in-chief." The cover featured a cartoon lampooning him. Saying "100 lashes of the whip if you don't die laughing." On Wednesday, reports said one suspect, Hamyd Mourad, walked into a Charlevill-Mezieres police station 145 miles northeast of Paris and surrendered. How he got there wasn't explained. Was he involved? Is he part of a false flag plot? Police identified two other suspects - Said and Cherif Kouachi. Paris residents. Criminal investigations take time. Suspects don't usually turn themselves in voluntarily. Let alone within hours of an incident. Weeks often pass before police file charges. Usually after making arrests. According to Reuters, a police source said one attacker was "identified by his identity card, which had been left in the (abandoned) getaway car." More on this below. Cherif Kouachi previously was imprisoned for 18 months. For criminal association with a "terrorist enterprise" in 2005. Allegedly involved in recruiting French nationals to fight Americans in Iraq. "He was arrested before (supposedly) leaving for Iraq to join militants," said Reuters. "The third man (Hamyd Mourad) was not seen in any (video) footage…(I)t was not clear if he was directly (or in any way) involved in the attack." No one claimed responsibility, said Reuters. It cited "a witness quoted by 20 Minutes daily newspaper sa(ying) one of the assailants cried out before getting into his car: 'Tell the media that it is al Qaeda in Yemen!' " AFP said Paris is "in lockdown." Citing "(t)roops in railway stations, armed police outside media buildings, ultra-tight security at department stores." "The government raised the capital's alert to its highest level immediately after the attack…(It) deployed hundreds of police across the city." Some reports said thousands. In his 1997 book titled "The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives," former Carter administration national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski said: "(A)s America becomes an increasingly multicultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat." The kind 9/11 created. Others discussed below. State-sponsored. Orchestrated and carried out to further new world order global dominance plans. America, Britain, Israel, France and other rogue partners involved. US officials identified so-called 9/11 attackers nearly straightaway after the incident. The FBI lied claiming Mohamed Atta left behind luggage containing "decisive evidence" about Al Qaeda's responsibility for the attacks. Passports allegedly found at United 93's crash site were fake. Alleged hijackers weren't aboard the four fateful flights. A previous article called the official story the mother of all Big Lies. Who ever heard of perpetrators leaving behind incriminating documents? Identifying themselves responsible for terror or other attacks. Yet French authorities claimed one attacker left his identity card in an abandoned getaway car. An obvious red flag. Questioning the official account's veracity. False flags are a longstanding US tradition. 9/11 is Exhibit A. The clearest example. State-sponsored terrorism writ large. Falsely blamed on innocent victims. Imperial wars followed. Against Afghanistan. Iraq. Parts of Pakistan. Libya. Syria. Iraq again. Palestine and Lebanon (in 2006) allied with Israel. As well as numerous proxy wars. Homeland ones against Muslims. Black Americans. Latino immigrants. Environmental andanimal rights activists. Ordinary US workers. In April 2013, evidence suggested state-sponsored terrorism responsibility for Boston marathon bombings. Tamerian and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were set up as convenient patsies. Neither brother had anything to do with what happened. European countries have their own crosses to bear. Partnered with Washington's quest for world dominance. Needing justification for imperial wars. Crackdowns on homeland freedoms. What better way than by stoking fear. False flag terrorist attacks work best. Hyped by media propaganda. In March 2004, Madrid train bombings occurred three days before Spain's general elections. Al Qaeda was blamed. With no corroborating evidence. Fear was stoked. Suggesting follow-up attacks against other Western targets. Including American ones. On July 7, 2005, so-called London 7/7 underground bombings attacked the city's public transport system. During the morning rush hour for maximum disruption and casualties. At precisely the same time, an anti-terror drill occurred. Simulating real attacks. At the time, AP said Israel's London embassy warned Scotland Yard in advance. Israeli Army Radio reported: "Scotland Yard had intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time before they occurred." No action was taken. Israel's then finance minister Netanyahu was told to skip a London economic conference. He was scheduled to speak. Other officials were warned, not the public. Fifty-two people died. Over 700 were injured. These type attacks raise suspicions. Vital questions remain unanswered. Who gains? Who loses? On 9/11 morning, the CIA simulated a pre-planned emergency response required if a plane struck a building. Held at its Chantilly, Virginia Reconnaissance Office. Simulating a small jet aircraft hitting one of its buildings. In October 2000, the Pentagon simulated a commercial plane striking its building. Pre-9/11 exercises preceded the real thing. On June 30, 2007, a Jeep Cherokee with propane canisters crashed into Glasgow International Airport's glass doors. The usual suspects were blamed. Islamic terrorists. In May 2013, two assailants killed British soldier Lee Rigby. In broad daylight in London. Alleged attackers remained on the scene. Until police arrived 20 minutes later. Why wasn't explained. Killers don't usually stay around to be captured. Both assailants were shot and apprehended. Hospitalized for treatment. One allegedly said "(w)e must fight as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Britain's ITV news aired an edited video clip. Allegedly a witness filmed it. Conveniently in the right place at the right time. Showing a young Black man with blood dripping from his hands. Saying "(w)e swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you." "The only reason reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day." Reports called what happened the first domestic Al Qaeda-inspired attack since the July 7, 2005 underground (so-called 7/7) bombings. On January 11, 2010, one day before Haiti's devastating earthquake, the Pentagon's US Southern Command (SOUTHCOM) simulated a hurricane striking the island. In preparation for carefully planned measures to be implemented. Involving occupation, control and plunder. Deputy SOUTHCOM commander General PK Keen was in Haiti when the quake struck the next day. Ready to initiate US policy. Haiti remains colonized. Plundered for profit. Its people exploited. With no say over issues most affecting their lives. Controlled by America's iron fist. What follows Wednesday's Paris attacks remains to be seen. Maybe CIA operatives plan something similar in America. Perhaps another step toward eliminating freedom altogether. Escalating US-led NATO's war on Islam. Targeting humanity. Confronting Russia. Risking nuclear war. Lunatics running things in Washington make anything possible. Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago. He can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net. His new book as editor and contributor is titled "Flashpoint in Ukraine: US Drive for Hegemony Risks WW III." http://www.claritypress.com/LendmanIII.html Visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com. Listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network. It airs three times weekly: live on Sundays at 1PM Central time plus two prerecorded archived programs.
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#56. To: Deasy (#51)
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You're right about that. Information will be steadily filtering in over the coming days and weeks and there's no hurry in forming conclusive judgments. Nevertheless, there's enough out there to nourish habitual suspicions that revolve around who generally benefits from operations like this. If I remember correctly, the French parliament voted to give recognition to a Palestinian state just a few weeks ago. In addition, Hollande, in public statements, indicated that France is going to go soft on the US inspired sanctions against Russia. Given the history of testosterone fueled aggression on the part of young punks drunk on Salafist propaganda and hungry for revenge against the west, this event could be as advertised: a violent Jihadist on a secular anti-Islamist outlet. On the other hand, given the professional execution of this attack along with the explicit way in which the killers left their "calling cards" at the scene, I wonder whether an alternative explanation can be found as to the motivation behind these shootings. After all, what we know about false flag operations like Gladio is pretty much acknowledged history today. As the facts continue to come in, and we await the smoking gun revelations, amateur observers like myself are already coming to their own conclusions. The pro's on this forum may have evidence and opinions to the contrary, but even anti-Zionist Jews are at this early stage are beginning to conclude that this massacre benefitted from government sponsorship. Posted by Gilad Atzmon on January 8, 2015 If Europe wants to live in peace, it might consider letting other nations live in peace. French people should be asking what led members of their society to commit such cold blood murders against their fellow citizens. France should ask itself why it has been dropping bombs on Muslims. Who enthusiastically advocated these ‘interventionist’ wars? What was the role of Bernard-Henri Lévy, the prime advocate of the war against Libya for instance? What was all this French fuss about the burka? Who led this war on Muslims at the heart of Europe? Was it really in the name of tolerance? Freedom and laughter are precious indeed, but isn’t it the French ‘socialist’ government that has been harassing and banning the best and most successful comedian in France, Dieudonné M’bala M’bala, because he satirized the Holocaust religion? Who pushed the French government to take such harsh actions against an artist; wasn’t it the Jewish lobby group CRIF? If Europe wants to live in peace, it might consider letting other nations live in peace. By following the whims of The Lobby we have destined Paris to the fate of Aleppo, God forbidden. But there is an alternative narrative that turns our perception of this disastrous Paris massacre on its head. This morning 18-year-old Hamyd Mourad, suspected to be one of the three terrorists involved in yesterday’s attack, handed himself in to the police in Charleville-Mezieres. He reportedly surrendered peacefully after hearing his name on the news. And he claims that he had nothing to do with yesterday’s event. Bizarre isn’t it? Not really. While every anti terror expert has agreed that the attack on Charlie Hebdo yesterday was a professional job, it seems pretty amateurish for a ‘highly trained terrorist’ to leave his ID behind. And since when does a terrorist take his ID on an operation? One possible explanation is that the so-called terrorists needed a few extra hours to leave France or disappear. They had to fool the French police and intelligence into searching the wrong places and the wrong people. Is it possible that they simply planted a stolen or forged ID card in the car they left behind? If this was the scenario, it is possible that the attack yesterday had nothing to do with ‘Jihadi terrorism.’ It is quite probable that this was another false flag operation. Who could be behind it? Use your imagination… Gilad Atzmon is an Israeli-born British jazz saxophonist, novelist, political activist and writer. www.veteranstoday.com/201...ious-war-in-europe-or-is- it- just-another-false-flag-operation/ "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
LOL! And we do know that the Muslims, the radical jihadists, WILL act out some. I was reading an article yesterday that had been written by one of those goofy bastards and if you care anything about your freedom of speech, or much of anything else, you wouldn't want him or any like him to be running your country. Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
Anjem Choudary is the name of the insane Muslim I was talking about. Here is the article I read at LP that was originally in USA Today. Contrary to popular misconception, Islam does not mean peace but rather means submission to the commands of Allah alone. Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression, as their speech and actions are determined by divine revelation and not based on people's desires. Although Muslims may not agree about the idea of freedom of expression, even non-Muslims who espouse it say it comes with responsibilities. In an increasingly unstable and insecure world, the potential consequences of insulting the Messenger Muhammad are known to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them than that of their parents or even themselves. To defend it is considered to be an obligation upon them. The strict punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia (Islamic law) is capital punishment implementable by an Islamic State. This is because the Messenger Muhammad said, "Whoever insults a Prophet kill him." However, because the honor of the Prophet is something which all Muslims want to defend, many will take the law into their own hands, as we often see. Within liberal democracies, freedom of expression has curtailments, such as laws against incitement and hatred. The truth is that Western governments are content to sacrifice liberties and freedoms when being complicit to torture and rendition — or when restricting the freedom of movement of Muslims, under the guise of protecting national security. So why in this case did the French government allow the magazine Charlie Hebdo to continue to provoke Muslims, thereby placing the sanctity of its citizens at risk? It is time that the sanctity of a Prophet revered by up to one-quarter of the world's population was protected. Does THAT sound like anyone who should be out walking the streets with normal people? Not to me. For those who may not know, Anjem Choudary is a radical Muslim cleric in London and a lecturer in sharia. Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
No, it doesn't. They should not be walking the streets among us. Yet all our Western governments have decided that they do. Yes, these bastards are the last individuals you'd want as neighbors, but they are real handy when you want to start a fire. They are dry kindling waiting for a spark. They are idiots. They are hot little fire crackers full of themselves and their bullshit that just want a match to set them off. We know who's always there with money and means. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
I believe we all know that the governments, or the people who run them, really don't GAS about the people other than the fees and taxes they can extort from them. And I guess their thinking is, "Why should I care? I live in a gated community and surrounded by the best security money can buy so what are they going to do about my crimes against them and their country?" Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
Duff says the video of the attack wasn't even filmed in Paris. It was either done in a studio or in another city and they proved that with their knowledge of Paris streets and by searching every street within one mile of the address. There is no street like that in Paris. He also maintains they were firing blanks. He says real AK-47's don't sound like what you hear in the video and the bullets take chunks out of concrete. The "dead" cop was seen later very much alive. Duff says it's the most ridiculous false flag he's ever seen. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
He might have a point, maybe many points, but to say the Puritans were Satan worshipers loses him some credibility. When people are trying to make some kinda point about something they know they should stick to that issue and not throw in bs like that that will make people doubt everything they say.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
Oh oh. As a longstanding member of the Hardpot Association, I will warrant that this spells trouble. All Frenchmen need to immediately go out and buy themselves asbestos underwear. It's gonna get hot. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Thanks for that deconstruction. Have there been any pics of the "crime scene"inside the building? or is this just another Sandy Hoax? “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Duff admits that he has a maternal Ashkenazi Jewish grandmother from Poland
Paris "Charlie Hebdo" attack": another Zionist false flag? - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 Just one month ago, France set off a stampede when its lower house voted to recognize Palestine. Now Palestine is in the International Criminal Court, poised to take down Israel for genocide. Suddenly "Islamic terror strikes France." Is Paris being punished for its pro- Palestine vote? In late 2013, Malaysia's Kuala Lumpur Tribunal found Israel guilty of genocide. A few months later, Malaysian planes started falling out of the sky. In 2011, Norway's Labor Party's youth wing was poised to impose a complete blockade on Israel. Suddenly the entire leadership of the Party's youth wing was slaughtered in a professional operation falsely attributed to a lone nut, Anders Breivik. NoLiesRadio produce Allan Rees writes: https://plus.google.com/+HuffPostUK/posts/HgDXoao79kT They had a camera well placed beforehand to film the attack. They spoke perfect French Killed with military precision. Dressed in military style. Killed from a target list. Got away clean. French President shows up afterwards and then convenes emergency meeting on what measures to enact. Multiple shooters. Could this be false flag from French Intel Agency? Others are calling it a likely false flag here and here. So far, it walks like one, it talks like one, and it perpetuates the 9/11 false- flag narrative about "radical Islam" like one. So I'm calling it a false flag until proven otherwise. PS: Running updates: Zionists are already trying to use this event to stop the surging Alain Soral / Dieudonné movement: http://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/Tuerie-a- Charlie-Hebdo-Frederic-Haziza-accuse-Alain-Soral-et-Dieudonne-30100.html Terrorist dropped his ID at the scene of the crime?! Give me a break!!!!!! https://twitter.com/AndreyPanevin/status/552948198919004161 Zionist propaganda rolled out on cue http://www.jns.org/latest-articles/2015/1/7/paris-attack-shows-frances- appeasement-of-palestinians-and-islamists-failed#.VK3UlFecpsh= Mossad attacks Paris? http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2015/01/mossad-attacks-paris.html "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
They were both born and raised in France.
Not all native born speakers from immigrant families speak perfect French. The intimation here is that the assailants were highly developed personnel. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Seems so. I understand one brother traveled to Yemen? for months? a few years back, this according to French intelligence (yes, that is an oxymoron). Also, their get away was far from clean. One kid lost a sneaker during the attack and nearly left it at the scene. They then crashed their car and hijacked another driving that one to a gas station where they clumsily tried to make a purchase. They abandoned that car at the station and fled into the nearby woods. Occams's razor applies for me at this point: A multicultural blend of unarmed cops, open borders and political correctness all contributed to the ongoing clash of civilizations, a clash that has been written about for decades and one that I believe is inevitable.
I see where you're going with this & I agree that it's going to require a lot more significant data points before we can begin to decide whether these were independent jihadist cowboys or Wahhabi patsies working for another entity. My circumstantial spidey sense tells me that there is more to this than meets the eye. But not all of this is directly or indirectly linked to the ME. At the moment there are a number of important figures in the world involved in breaking scandals that are more than glad to see the narrow glare of MSM scrutiny focused elsewhere. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Yep - The Epstein mess Malaysian airliners What happened to Obola? Harry Reid's header Putin/Ukraine Collapsing oil prices And the list goes on, and on, and on...we have the attention span of an under-deveoped gnat. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Ah, yes. Bill & Hill, America's beloved political couple, want to be off that particular radar right now. Ast da typical man on da street. "Bill who? Paedo what?" "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Ast da typical man on da street. "Bill who? Paedo what?" 'Dollar Bill' Clinton just gettin' his freak on......the guy doesn't discriminate when it comes to the age of his victims. Of course, we'll only find all this out after he croaks, as usual. Remember the decades-long rumors swirling around the late Brit-pedo monster Jimmy Savile? It all came out after he assumed room temperature. Easy does it: I think we don't know enough about this yet.
Amidst A Religious War in Europe Or Is It Just another False Flag Operation?
#57. To: X-15 (#46)
Fuck, EVERY time the muslims act out the pocket-corner muslims at 4um cry out "false flag!!". They hiss and shriek at me like some possessed demoniac, or a hysterical homosexual bitch (they can be possessed too, I think).
#58. To: All (#57)
#59. To: James Deffenbach (#58)
Does THAT sound like anyone who should be out walking the streets with normal people?
#60. To: randge (#59)
No, it doesn't. They should not be walking the streets among us. Yet all our Western governments have decided that they do.
#61. To: James Deffenbach, X-15, Deasy, GreyLmist, Lod, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, Hard-heads, Crackpots, etc. (#60)
#62. To: randge (#61)
#63. To: randge, JT, Cynicom, crackheads, hardpots, all (#61)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#64. To: wudidiz (#63)
#65. To: randge (#61)
#66. To: 4 (#61)
Duff and disinformation
#67. To: All (#64)
#68. To: randge (#67)
They spoke perfect French
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
#70. To: randge (#69)
The intimation here is that the assailants were highly developed personnel.
#71. To: Jethro Tull (#70)
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#72. To: randge (#71)
#73. To: Lod (#72)
The Epstein mess
#74. To: randge (#73)
Ah, yes. Bill & Hill, America's beloved political couple, want to be off that particular radar right now.
-Alex Kurtagic
#75. To: randge, Jethro Tull, Lod (#71)
A French television news network spoke directly with two of the terrorists Friday before they died. BFM television said it spoke with Cherif Kouachi as he and his brother were cornered near Charles de Gaulle airport and he told the station they were financed and dispatched by al-Qaida in Yemen. The station also said it spoke with Coulibaly, who said the three men were coordinating and that he was with the militant Islamic State group. The organizations are normally rivals. France has been on high alert since the Charlie Hebdo massacre left 12 people dead. The next day, a gunman shot a policewoman to death in a gunfight just south of Paris. Police later identified the gunman as Coulibaly, who had been a co-suspect with Cherif Kouachi in a court case involving terrorism that never made it to trial. The Kouachi brothers led police on a chase around northeast France, robbing a gas station Thursday and stealing a car Friday morning before seizing hostages at a printing plant in Dammartin-en-Goele, a small industrial town near Charles de Gaulle airport. Friday afternoon, explosions and gunshots rang out and white smoke rose outside as a police SWAT team clambered onto the roof. Audrey Taupenas, spokeswoman for the town near the Charles de Gaulle airport, said the brothers had died in the clash. news.yahoo.com/brothers-p...rench-manhunt-enters-day- 073049780.html
-Alex Kurtagic
#76. To: X-15 (#75)
I always like the good news at the end. Audrey Taupenas, spokeswoman for the town near the Charles de Gaulle airport, said the brothers had died in the clash.
#77. To: Cynicom, X-15, randge, 4 (#76)
Right now, this sounds like another Boston Bombing - it's really, really lame.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#78. To: Lod (#77)
"This is a more complex issue than advertised. Many (not all) of these ‘Muslims’ are Caucasoid people–often war refugees–from various nations with traditional customs and different levels of education. Some are black African. Yet the media makes no racial distinctions. Just one word: ‘Muslim’. This is a Jewish canard. These Muslims are not all barbaric and violent fanatics. Many are war refugees. But I agree that they are generally ill-suited for life in the West. But the same argument can be made of ‘Christians’ who hail from Mexico. It’s a race and language issue as much as anything. ‘Islam’ is one element among many. But the irony here is that if these dead journalists ever tried to mock and ‘make fun of’ Jews the way they routinely derided Muslims, they would have been put in jail or ruined in a different way far sooner. In the ‘free’ West, Jews destroy their enemies silently but quite effectively. No one says a word Incredibly, the Muslims know this better than most Christian Westerners do, since so many of us have been brainwashed via Jewish news and television our entire lives. In fact, just being tarred as ‘antisemitic’ is enough to destroy people in the West. This is Jewish magic at work and it is a deplorably double-standard that operates silently but profoundly. It is a taboo. It is all Kosher. And it is a cancer on Western Civilization as well as the Middle East. Just consider all the Zionist-friendly wars we’ve conducted there. Count the dead. What if all the war dead from these recent wars were Jews? Jewish-friendly taboos also infuriate Muslims who see and understand that Jews dominate the West and have a license to destroy Muslim nations by remote control. The average American, on the other hand, has no comprehension of this, as he’s been raised watching Jewish-made TV shows, news programs, comedies and Holocaust dramas. These Muslim fanatics may be nutty and dangerous, but I still view them as victims of world Jewry which has become the primary mover/manipulator of world geopolitics. Is this mass killing in Paris good for the Jews? Incredibly, yes. It makes unwitting Parisians think: ‘We’re all Israelis now’. Well it’s not true. If the French simply declared this anti-Muslim ‘satire’ to be ‘anti-Semitic’ one year ago, no one in Paris would now be dead as the magazine would have been shut down. That’s the Jewish way. Censorship. Shame. Control. Unfortunately for Muslims, they don’t have that kind power. And that also enrages them since they are constantly being bombed and invaded by the West and, once they arrive in the West, they get mocked and insulted here, as well. This double-standard is a cancer. And I blame the Jews for it. Jews however don’t have to deal with any of this. Many Jews probably pretend to be confounded by all this ‘Muslim anger’. Jewish sensibilities, on the other hand, are coddled by the French and the West in general. Israel gets rather special treatment, too. Jews have attained a license to kill. No wonder the Muslims are angry. They are powerless and unable to communicate the source of their rage to the hapless and Zionized cultures in Europe and America. If we expel all the Muslims, then let’s expel the Jews as well, as they are the more fundamental cause of all this chaos and discord." -Mark Green/TOO
-Alex Kurtagic
#79. To: Lod, All (#77)
Another wrinkle: Paris Gunman Met with Known CIA Asset
Triple agent trained Charlie Hebdo shooter nearly four years ago
#80. To: X-15 (#78)
Mark Green nails it.
#81. To: X-15 (#78)
If we expel all the Muslims, then let’s expel the Jews as well, as they are the more fundamental cause of all this chaos and discord. Amen - I can't add any more to that. Go the f##k back home all you semites, we're sick of your $hit. These Muslim fanatics may be nutty and dangerous, but I still view them as victims of world Jewry which has become the primary mover/manipulator of world geopolitics.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#82. To: Lod, christine, X-11 (#81)
Start with the Jews. This is what I tell Christian Zionists. They can't accept it. They want to hate with a vile, gripping, genocidal hate, but they can't accept that Jews are the enablers of the "Muslim problem" in the west. Only religion can do this. If we expel all the Muslims, then let’s expel the Jews as well, as they are the more fundamental cause of all this chaos and discord.
#83. To: Lod, x-15, christine, wudidiz, jethro tull (#81)
I saw the discussion earlier where x-15 said something about the 'closet muslims' here on 4um? LoL.. who cry 'false flag' no matter what the event... I haven't followed this event at all, but I think that x's point that muslims indeed are capable of actual terror may be lost on many in the 'truther' crowd today. and here is why. I never knew a muslim or a jew for that matter, in my life,. didn't give a shit about any of it,. then, 9/11. where americans were horrified by the psyop of 911. which we were told MUSLIMS DID IT. well, when 'truthers' found out that was a LIE, and thus that the Zionists themselves were involved (after learning what a neocon Zionist even was, for that matter) Then, after all that, the 'truthers' have an inherent rejection of blaming muslims for anything, since they've been basically mind-fucked by all this. so people inherently say FALSE FLAG! more jew terror bullshit! etc.. even when it really IS muslims doing the terror. now, I don't know what x-15 experience of muslims or what you grew up learning or knowing about muslims, but I would be interested to know. I believe that orthodox folks are 'jew wise' for a long time way before 9/11., so that may explain you perspective and why you aint too friendly or trusting of the muslims as truthers seem to believe they should be.-- giving muslims the benefit of the doubt even in cases where they don't deserve it. however I think there is a middle ground on this case. it may have very well been real radical muslims, but ones who've been funded ,protected and propped up by the govt/zio-establishment, to foment this very type thing- to thus horrify the people and excuse more security state, more wars, more money for izzy.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#84. To: Artisan (#83)
Agree - spot on correct, imo. Thanks for boiling it down here. however I think there is a middle ground on this case. it may have very well been real radical muslims, but ones who've been funded ,protected and propped up by the govt/zio-establishment, to foment this very type thing- to thus horrify the people and excuse more security state, more wars, more money for izzy.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#85. To: Artisan (#83) (Edited)
Battle of Tours in 732 A.D. - the "false flag!!" nuts would have called that whole battle a Hollywood production full of crisis-actors if the internet had been around then. They don't think ANY muslims kill ANYBODY. They're delusional and rob themselves of all credibility when they grasp at straws to excuse muslim violence. They're basement-dwellers looking for adulation for having 'the inside line'. Sometimes the truth is really simple and muslims are really going insane for trying to live in White Western nations with all the jewy misogyny/decadence that permeates popular culture. They Don't Belong. Leave aside Israels role in trying to make Europe shun Palestinian independence, the muslims who act out on their festering phobia's are responsible for their actions.
-Alex Kurtagic
#86. To: X-15 (#85)
Indeed... Leave aside Israels role in trying to make Europe shun Palestinian independence, the muslims who act out on their festering phobia's are responsible for their actions.
#87. To: All (#86)
The First Question to Ask After Any Terror Attack: Was It a False Flag? Governments from Around the World Admit They Do It Leaders Throughout History Have Acknowledged False Flags www.washingtonsblog.com/2...or-attack-false-flag.html My opinion: There is nothing wrong with questioning, exchanging views, or speculating. In fact, it should be encouraged. No one should be criticized or insulted for it.
#88. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, Christine, Lod, randge, James Deffenbach, Deasy, Artisan, X-15, GreyLmist, Freedom4umdotcom (#54)
This is not the wud I have known for so long. Cyni, It so is! It's good to see you still kicking around here. Okay, maybe i'm a shit-disturber sometimes I dunno. It's good to see you all posting here. I am very grateful for the things I learned here, thank you guys for putting up with me and Happy New Year. :) Wud...
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#89. To: christine, all, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#87)
Paris Attack Smacks Of False Flag
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#90. To: christine (#87)
Careful now. Talk such as this will soon have the SPLC denouncing 4um as a hate site. ; ) My opinion: There is nothing wrong with questioning, exchanging views, or speculating. In fact, it should be encouraged. No one should be criticized or insulted for it.
All Wars Are Bankers' Wars
#91. To: Deasy, (#49)
France is in the same situation the US is in, so to speak. Here's how the sadness of fence-sitters for the victims of government policies gone mad does nothing for them in this short story: For want of a nail the shoe was lost;Either way, a foreign policy of non-intervention will be unrealized. Either way a policy of limited immigration will be unrealized. My reaction will be what it is already: sadness for the victims of government policies gone mad, policies hostile to native European ethnic groups, policies hostile to foreigners.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost;
For want of a horse the battle was lost;
For the failure of battle the kingdom was lost;
All for the want of a horse-shoe nail.
-Unknown
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#92. To: GreyLmist (#91)
Please consider that there might be a misunderstanding between us. I respect your quest for a deeper understanding of the Paris situation and I look forward to learning more about it from you.
#93. To: wudidiz (#88)
No need to stereotype yourself. Convincing other 4um members to come to any given conclusion is often like preaching to the choir at a universalist church. If we could be easily pressured, we probably wouldn't be here. Happy new year to you, too. It so is!
#94. To: wudidiz (#38) (Edited)
'Chilling video.
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#95. To: Lod (#84) (Edited)
Agree - spot on correct, imo. Thanks for boiling it down here. I agree. however I think there is a middle ground on this case. it may have very well been real radical muslims, but ones who've been funded ,protected and propped up by the govt/zio- establishment, to foment this very type thing- to thus horrify the people and excuse more security state, more wars, more money for izzy.
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to help wake the town and tell the people. Do your
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#96. To: wudidiz (#52)
Thanks for the info you've provided, and others too, that the Mockingbird firearms experts here have incredibly refused to try and explain (YouTube example at Post #2). Alas, wudidiz, it looks to me like we two are very much alone in this place as selected poster-targets of their ire and ad-hominem special privileges instead of corporate/state propaganda. That's not to say I'd rather they directed more of their personalized flak to those of opinions about this that are similar to ours. Just something I've noticed that says something or other about their objectiveness or lack thereof. And so, I'd like to emphasize what you said for those who come here to read about not being afraid to question because, even if it seems that you are alone so, in the widescreen view of such circumstances you're not. Ergo, do continue onward. People come here to read. They see stuff like this and then you got thoughtless morons commenting without being able to see anything past what the tv has already told them. So they ridicule and call you crazy if you think outside the box and any intelligent reader would think, "wow these guys are kinda stupid" and move on. GreyLmist and others like us are here to let people know that, no, not everyone that posts here is that dumb and don't be afraid to question the corporate/state propaganda. You're not alone.
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