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Title: Should Restaurant Owners Be Able to Restrict Guns in Their Establishments?
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Published: Jan 13, 2015
Author: Bob Livingston
Post Date: 2015-01-13 18:02:17 by BTP Holdings
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Views: 85
Comments: 11

Should Restaurant Owners Be Able to Restrict Guns in Their Establishments?

A recent "armed trip" to a Chipotle restaurant in Dallas by gun rights group Open Carry Texas set off a petition campaign by the Michael Bloomberg-supported gun control group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. The petition gathered more than 10,000 signatures and triggered Chipotle to issue a statement asking its patrons to not bring guns into its restaurants. Last year, Starbucks also told its patrons guns were not welcome in its stores in response to a planned gun rights rally in Newtown, Conn.

PersonalLiberty.com, America's #1 news site for independent-minded individuals, is conducting an urgent poll to see if you believe a private business should be able to restrict its customers from bringing a gun into its establishment even if local laws support their right to do so.

The results of the poll will be available to you after you submit your vote, and we'll also share the poll results with major media outlets across the country. Thousands will vote, so take a moment right now to stand up and be counted. Your opinion matters!

Sincerely,

Bob Livingston,

Editor, The Bob Livingston Letter™

Poster Comment:

If you recall the shooting at the Luby's Cafeteria in Texas several years back, there was a woman there that had a conceal carry permit, but she left her pistol in the car. If she had it with her, she could have taken out the bad guy quickly.

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

I can see how and why the sight of guns unsettles some people. Most responsible gun owners, really all saving for "never say never," would never reveal that they have one.

It's along the lines of if you're going to produce a gun, it should be to fire it.

Katniss  posted on  2015-01-13   19:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

we didn't have CHL here when Suzanna Hupp went to Luby's -

Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when a mass shooting took place. The gunman shot 44 people in all, killing 24 of them, including himself. Of those fatally wounded, two included both of Hupp's parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car, lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state's concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet away in my car."[6]

Her father, Al Gratia, feeling he "needed to do something", tried to rush the gunman and sadly was fatally shot in the chest instead. Hupp, eventually seeing an escape through a broken window (broken by the shoulder of another horrified, fleeing victim), grabbed her mother by the shirt telling her "Come on, we have to go now!" As Hupp moved toward the only escape, she believed her mother to be following behind. However, upon reaching the safety of outside, she then realized her Mother, Ursula Gratia had stayed behind for some reason.

Hupp was told soon after the incident that her mother had instead watched her daughter get to safety and then turned to her Husband. Ursula stayed by the side of her mortally-wounded husband, cradling him as he slipped away. Al Gratia died almost instantly. Ursula Gratia had time to glance up at the gunman afterward and back down at her husband when the crazed man then shot her in the head at point-blank range, killing her instantly.

Hupp was 32 years old at the time of the shooting.[5] As a survivor of the incident, Hupp testified across the country in support of concealed-handgun laws, citing that if there had been a second chance to prevent the slaughter, she would have violated the Texas law and carried the handgun inside her purse into the restaurant that day and it being highly likely she would also still have her parents with her today.

She also stated in her testimony that she would have taken the felony on her head over having lost her parents through the tragedy, adding that those shouldn't be the choices, however, and that people should be able to defend themselves in a true emergency without having to choose one over another.[7]

She testified across the country in support of concealed handgun laws, and was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1996.[8] The concealed-weapons bill was signed by then-Governor George W. Bush.[9]

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-13   19:46:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

christine  posted on  2015-01-13   22:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Such powerful testimony, and the dickheads just sat there rubbing theirs.

This .gov is an effin' joke.

As you so well know.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-13   22:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If a business wants to put restrictions on items, it is their own business. I can then boycott that place if I want.

Darkwing  posted on  2015-01-14   14:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If a business wants to put restrictions on items, it is their own business. I can then boycott that place if I want.

Perfectly correct.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-14   15:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If they don't want to associate with people who are armed they have that right. However, they also face the real possibility after they put up those stupid signs advertising their business as a free fire zone that people with guns who don't have their best interest in mind might pay them a visit.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2015-01-14   15:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yep - an open invitation to a danger-free, shooting gallery.

Come on in...

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-14   15:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Personally I think concealed carry is much better than open carry because the bad guys don't know who is and who is not armed. And that would make them think a bit more about whether they want to throw those dice.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2015-01-14   15:34:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I've come to believe that Constitutional Carry (however you wish to carry) is the way to go.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-14   15:37:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh, I agree with that. If you want to wear a six shooter on your side or on both sides it wouldn't bother me. Just like it wouldn't bother me if you had a gun in every pocket and one in your waistband. Just saying that I personally prefer concealed carry.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2015-01-14   16:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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