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Title: Field McConnell - Boeing Uninterruptible Auto Pilot Used On 9/11 Planes, Impossible To Hijack!
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Published: Jan 24, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-01-24 14:13:06 by Horse
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#350. To: war (#266)
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Correct...it's you trying, for reasons which defy logic, to claim that a discussion of what occurred above WTC1's impact zone should have set every scrap of paper BELOW the impact zone on fire. Wrong....this isn't a discussion "of what occurred above WTC1's impact zone", despite your focusings on that Tower here and elsewhere. And it's you, not me, who has claimed steel compromising (i.e. paper combustive) high heat temps in the buildings for your en masse "pancaking" summations. That's not even getting into the puzzlement that the topmost section of WTC 7 isn't what should have fallen there first under such conditions and according to your own assertion at #326 that the 13th floor was the point of failure. What you need to do is be more precise about where you're guesstimating that steel compromising (i.e. paper combustive) high heat temps in the buildings stopped "weakening" those structures, even though you weren't in them at the time and neither were the bulk of officalry's NIST theorizers, etc. Taking a Closer Look: Hard Science and the Collapse of the World Trade Center Edited at first 2 sentences + spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
But that would be highly incomparable with the evidence so I'm thinking it's your calculation that's off. war didn't calculate anything, he simply posted the known and observed rate of acceleration due to earth's gravity. The algebraic form of the relevant equations are as follows; v = d/t, and a = v/t, where v = velocity, d = distance, t = time in seconds, and a = acceleration (rate of change of velocity). g (the acceleration due to earth's gravity) = 32 feet per second per second, and represents the rate of change of velocity of an object for every second the object falls through a vacuum. The following equation is derived from calculus and is well known. t = SQRT(2d/g) So to solve for the amount of time it would take for an object to fall through a vacuum from a given height, we plug the known numbers into the equation; Known values are thus; d1 = height of WTC 1 = 1,368 feet, d2 = height of WTC 2 = 1,362 feet t1 = time to fall from a height of d1 through a vacuum t2 = time to fall from a height of d2 through a vacuum g = 32 feet per second per second t1 = SQRT(2 * 1,368 feet / (32 feet/second2) = 9.25 seconds t2 = SQRT(2 * 1,362 feet / (32 feet/second2) = 9.23 seconds So what it comes down to is that war is using an acceleration rate of an object falling through a vacuum, whereas there was more than just an empty vacuum under the WTC towers. They fell NEAR free fall speed, SO close to it in fact that it would be virtually impossible to have happened UNLESS the supporting lower floors were destroyed sequentially just before the upper structure reached them during its fall. They fell NEAR free fall speed, SO close to it in fact that it would be virtually impossible to have happened UNLESS the supporting lower floors were destroyed sequentially just before the upper structure reached them during its fall. Thanks for the math demonstration. Much more complex than I had thought. Btw, I've noticed that official storytellers don't count the North Tower as having actually collapsed until the steel columns that were still partially standing vanish too -- so as to expand the drop time there. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
MAJOR FAIL... The collapse starts when the penthouse collapses which is not shown on your video...I finally got FL to *admit* to the truth that the collapse started sooner...it's time for you as well... Start around 2:40ish...note what is in my video that is not in yours... https://youtu.be/A34_NXwLyfo --Are you a *Jew*?
Can you provide any video which shows an *instantaneous* destruction? I have been unable to find any...each and every one reveals a building collapse in sequence from top to bottom... --Are you a *Jew*?
Sorry...you don't get to define how I rebut your nonsense which appears to be that all of the paper in WTC should have spontaneously combusted even though anyone can see that a) the building was not solely made of nor did it solely contain, paper b) the area of the fires was at the impact zone... I turned my attention to steel beams that fell in freefall next to the building as it collapsed Huh? Neither he nor you have provided any video support for that statement.... --Are you a *Jew*?
Putting aside the issue that you refuse to state why this is *anomalous*, what's that black stuff on the exterior of the WTC? Or this: Or this: You seeing bright shiny aluminum there? --Are you a *Jew*?
The collapse starts when the penthouse collapses which is not shown on your video...I finally got FL to *admit* to the truth that the collapse started sooner...it's time for you as well... Start around 2:40ish...note what is in my video that is not in yours... https://youtu.be/A34_NXwLyfo It's an Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth video -- Part 2 of 3. You can dispute it with them at the YouTube site. As for the video you posted by MrSkunkwork100...aka MrLockheedMartin (?!), "Establishmentarian VIP", I reckon. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I couldn't care less if it's a Barney video which it may as well be...they make the same *error*..NIST starts the clock when the penthouse collapses which is what my video shows and yours does not...your video LIES about when NIST starts the clock too... --Are you a *Jew*?
Yes -- way more than there should be after the blasts and so much smoke. Doubtful anybody here but you wouldn't agree and you almost never do, so no need for me to post a bunch of counter-pictures too. Many pics online that others can compare themselves to yours. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Wha...chuckle...huh? Doubtful anybody here but you wouldn't agree and you almost never do, so no need for me to post a bunch of counter-pictures too. Many pics online that others can compare themselves to yours... Translated: I've fallen and I can't get up... --Are you a *Jew*?
Your definition of "collapse" differs from what the video shows. A roof collapse inwards isn't what most people think of when they say "total collapse". The TOTAL COLLAPSE of WTC7, where ALL sections of the building began a descent into its own footprint, at or near free fall speed, is what I mean by TOTAL COLLAPSE. So if I wiggle my fingers before I drop a ball to measure the time it takes for the ball to drop, would you include the finger wiggling time in the total descent time? The roof collapsed because of what happened 30odd floors below it... --Are you a *Jew*?
If I respond with an equally ridiculous and spurious post will you respond that I'm claiming something *different* now? --Are you a *Jew*?
To clarify, the words "the supporting structure is instantaneously destroyed across all quadrants ", I mean ALL SUPPORT ACROSS ALL WEIGHT BEARING ELEMENTS OF THE LOWER STRUCTURE IS INSTANTANEOUSLY LOST". Do capital letters help you out? Can you not understand what it means to lose ALL support from the lower structure? In other words war, you can't include time PRIOR to the BUILDING DESCENDING, as it is the BUILDING DESCENT WHICH IS BEING MEASURED IN TERMS OF DESCENT TIME. Capish? No...the volume of my laughter is the same. True or False: A controlled demolition relies upon gravity? --Are you a *Jew*?
The building was descending at that point...the penthouse most certainly did not collapse in any other direction...as the weight load shifted from the failure of the columns to other columns which failed the main collapse began... Quick again make the ridiculous argument that gravity doesn't affect all falling things equally and that only a controlled demolition makes gravity work... --Are you a *Jew*?
Sure, but it also relies upon explosives. Does that help? PART of the ROOF fell INTO the building, but the 4 CORNERS of the TOP of the BUILDING didn't budge, nor did the outer 4 WALLS (unless you include the bulging outwards due to the apparent explosives). As far as rate of descent of the BUILDING itself (which includes all FOUR CORNERS OF THE TOP AND THE FOUR OUTER WALLS), that HAS to be measured from the point in time the ENTIRE STRUCTURE BEGINS ITS DESCENT. Did you ever graduate Jr. High? Please use the edit feature so that mess of a question makes some sense *above* the no sense that it makes now. Thanks. --Are you a *Jew*?
And those explosives do what? --Are you a *Jew*?
Wasn't a question genius.
A collapse goes in what direction? Up? The fact is, the collapse went in stages...it was not all at once...that is the fatal blow to your CD nonsense...the roof collapsed because of column failure and not because of explosives so powerful ye able to be unseen were detonated...your claim also is that the main collapse was the result of a controlled demolition... When has a controlled demolition ever been done in two stages starting with the only the top corner of a building? Ooopsie...that logic mixed with a healthy dose of reality rears its ugly head yet again... --Are you a *Jew*?
Blow things up. That, and cause a TOTAL failure of SUPPORT causing the structure to COLLAPSE into its own footprint in most cases, unless for whatever reason it's desired to topple the structure, as in smokestack demolitions for instance. Who could tell is the point... --Are you a *Jew*?
What *things*...(please limit your answer to the materials used in building construction)? --Are you a *Jew*?
So to you, descent time begins when ANY ONE thing falls, such as a window or chimney. So if the chimney fell 10 minutes before the ENTIRE BUILDING collapsed, you'd add ten minutes to the descent time, eh? Of course YOU would, if it suited your agenda. Don't have time today to play your childish games. Why don't you go haunt Stone's site for some fun, you might actually find people who agree with you there.
The collapse of the Penthouse is the beginning of the end for that building and you can see a visible pinch near the east side of the roof after the penthouse goes. I'm still waiting for you to explain to *us* why column failure caused only by controlled demolition is the only means by which gravity affects the fall of a building. --Are you a *Jew*?
You obviously used your *engineering* skills and figured out where that was going. Why is it that in your little bizarro world that only explosives can cause columns to fail? --Are you a *Jew*?
...actually me posting here is me having fun at Pebblie Poo's expense... --Are you a *Jew*?
Since b), localizing the diminishing fires to impact zone, is the only part there that doesn't sound thoroughly like you're not a serious debater or even reader -- just here mainly to fill the place voluminously with your rumbling disagreeableness -- I'll be redirecting my inquiry (from way back at #189) about the compacter WTC 7 steel heat-durability in comparison to steel in the Towers to FormerLurker, not you henceforth (allegedly a "corner-officer" of the former US Steel Building by the WTC). Also, I'm gonna have to conclude by now that you won't be providing any info, even if you could, about "pre-planned demolition docs that likely had to be submitted for all 3 of the highest WTC buildings before any of them were approved to be built", as requested way back at #213. Edited sentence 1. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Please don't have a *snit* fit because I prefer whiting to your red herrings...
--Are you a *Jew*?
Thanks for the link, Neo.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Come to NY...I'll show you around...and I didn't have an *office*...I sat on a trading desk about 15 feet long across the North Side of the floor in the NW corner...I had 2 others to my left and 4 across from me beginning directly to my left...Century 21 was at my back and the WTC complex to my right...I had Brooks Brothers on the first floor and Starbucks in the Lobby...by the time I was in the building (late 1998 until early 2002 with a three month pause in late 2001)...it was the *former* Merrill Lynch Building... --Are you a *Jew*?
Nope. But it still wouldn't stop you from trying to make that a *silly* point... --Are you a *Jew*?
I'd like to visit but, as I said earlier, I'm a peasant and that's too far for me to walk from here. Btw, WTC 7 having been an Emergency Management Center, I'm not convinced the topmost section of that building did collapse in the sense of structural failure. Can't be sure there weren't some mechanisms in place to lower it down in time of war or something. Edited sentence 2. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe current issue in this discussion isn't the alleged jumpers
I turned my attention to steel beams that fell in freefall next to the building as it collapsed. The beams were falling at the same rate that the towers themselves were descending. Familiar with elementary physics, including principles of conservation of energy and momentum, this seemed quite impossible if the towers were indeed "pancaking," which is the official theory.
#351. To: GreyLmist, war (#344)
Height divided by war's alleged fall rate of 32 feet per second per second = 42.5 seconds+ for each.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#352. To: GreyLmist, war (#344)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#353. To: FormerLurker, war (#352)
So what it comes down to is that war is using an acceleration rate of an object falling through a vacuum, whereas there was more than just an empty vacuum under the WTC towers.
#354. To: GreyLmist (#339)
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#355. To: FormerLurker (#329)
Unless the supporting structure is instantaneously destroyed across all quadrants
#356. To: GreyLmist (#350)
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Wrong....this isn't a discussion "of what occurred above WTC1's impact zone",
#357. To: GreyLmist (#348)
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It's the inexplicable lack of smoke damage to the exterior of the Towers from the blasts and sooty burnings.
#358. To: war (#354)
MAJOR FAIL...
#359. To: GreyLmist (#358)
It's an Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth video -- Part 2 of 3. You can dispute it with them at the YouTube site. As for the video you posted by MrSkunkwork100...aka MrLockheedMartin (?!), "Establishmentarian VIP", I reckon.
#360. To: war (#357)
You seeing bright shiny aluminum there?
#361. To: GreyLmist (#360)
#362. To: GreyLmist (#360)
Yes -- way more than there should be after the blasts and so much smoke...
#363. To: war, GreyLmist (#354)
I finally got FL to *admit* to the truth that the collapse started sooner...it's time for you as well...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#364. To: war, GreyLmist (#359)
NIST starts the clock when the penthouse collapses which is what my video shows and yours does not...your video LIES about when NIST starts the clock too...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#365. To: FormerLurker (#363)
A roof collapse inwards isn't what most people think of when they say "total collapse".
#366. To: FormerLurker (#364)
So if I wiggle my fingers before I drop a ball to measure the time it takes for the ball to drop, would you include the finger wiggling time in the total descent time?
#367. To: war (#355)
Can you provide any video which shows an *instantaneous* destruction? I have been unable to find any...each and every one reveals a building collapse in sequence from top to bottom...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#368. To: war (#366)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#369. To: FormerLurker (#367)
Do capital letters help you out?
#370. To: FormerLurker (#368)
In other words war, you can't include time PRIOR to the BUILDING DESCENDING
#371. To: war (#369)
A controlled demolition relies upon gravity?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#372. To: war (#370)
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The building was descending at that point...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#373. To: FormerLurker (#372)
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PART of the ROOF fell INTO the building, but the 4 CORNER of the TOP of the BUILDING didn't budge, nor did the outer 4 WALLS (unless you include the bulging outwards due to the apparent explosives).
#374. To: FormerLurker (#371)
Sure, but it also relies upon explosives. Does that help?
#375. To: war (#373)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#376. To: FormerLurker (#372)
As far as rate of descent of the BUILDING itself (which includes all FOUR CORNERS OF THE TOP AND THE FOUR OUTER WALLS), that HAS to be measured from the point in time the ENTIRE STRUCTURE BEGINS ITS DESCENT.
#377. To: war (#374)
And those explosives do what?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#378. To: FormerLurker (#375)
Wasn't a question genius.
#379. To: FormerLurker (#377)
Blow things up.
#380. To: war (#376)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#381. To: war (#379)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#382. To: FormerLurker (#380)
So to you, descent time begins when ANY ONE thing falls, such as a window or chimney.
#383. To: FormerLurker (#381)
Don't have time today to play your childish games.
#384. To: FormerLurker (#381)
Why don't you go haunt Stone's site for some fun...
#385. To: war, FormerLurker (#356)
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Sorry...you don't get to define how I rebut your nonsense which appears to be that all of the paper in WTC should have spontaneously combusted even though anyone can see that a) the building was not solely made or nor did it solely contain, paper b) the area of the fires was at the impact zone...
#386. To: GreyLmist (#385)
#387. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#361)
#388. To: GreyLmist (#385)
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not you henceforth (allegedly a "corner-officer" of the former US Steel building by the WTC
#389. To: FormerLurker (#380)
So if the chimney fell 10 minutes before the ENTIRE BUILDING collapsed, you'd add ten minutes to the descent time, eh?
#390. To: war, FormerLurker (#388)
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Come to NY...I'll show you around...and I didn't have an *office*...I sat on a trading desk about 15 feet long across the North Side of the floor in the NW corner...I had 2 others to my left and 4 across from me beginning directly to my left...Century 21 was at my back and the WTC complex to my right...I had Brooks Brothers on the first floor and Starbucks in the Lobby...by the time I was in the building (late 1998 until early 2002 with a three month pause in late 2001)...it was the *former* Merrill Lynch Building...
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