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Title: Field McConnell - Boeing Uninterruptible Auto Pilot Used On 9/11 Planes, Impossible To Hijack!
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5NnBQJ5at4
Published: Jan 24, 2015
Author: staff
Post Date: 2015-01-24 14:13:06 by Horse
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Views: 18135
Comments: 402

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The current issue in this discussion isn't the alleged jumpers

Correct...it's you trying, for reasons which defy logic, to claim that a discussion of what occurred above WTC1's impact zone should have set every scrap of paper BELOW the impact zone on fire.

despite your contradictory view at #193 [and quoted at #241] that "unless you were in the tower in the very area of the fire, you have no way of telling me what was or wasn't on fire..."

Either you don't know what the word *contradictory* means or you do and chose to ignore that meaning.

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   8:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's a Physics issue from my short-list here at Post #189 re: 9/11 Laws of Physics anomalies, which you were supposedly addressing but didn't really. Tell me why you'd think that you shouldn't be concerned at all with the incongruity of it, if you aren't.

How is a lack of smoke damage on the OUTSIDE of the Towers an *anomaly* of physics?

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   8:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you're saying that it should take only an extra 2.5 seconds

Since gravity is exponential, that 2.5 seconds is significant...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   8:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Since gravity is exponential, that 2.5 seconds is significant...

Yes, in that it proves the floors fell through NOTHING but thin air for the majority of the distance travelled.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   10:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, in that it proves the floors fell through NOTHING but thin air for the majority of the distance travelled.

Uh...no...and that would be just as wrong if it was a CD...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   11:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Uh...no...and that would be just as wrong if it was a CD...

Uh, yes. That it only took 2.5 seconds more time to drop through 70 or so undamaged floors indicates those lower floors were destroyed BEFORE the upper structure dropped through their location above ground.

If there had been any significant resistance to the collapse, the velocity would have dropped to zero or close to it, and it would have taken significantly longer for the entire collapse to occur since the structure would need to begin accelerating from a velocity close to zero again rather than the speed it would have attained as if it had been falling through thin air.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   11:29:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Uh, yes. That it only took 2.5 seconds more time to drop through 70 or so undamaged floors indicates those lower floors were destroyed BEFORE the upper structure dropped through their location above ground.

It indicates no such thing.

The building fell from the top down beginning at the site of the impact...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   11:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If there had been any significant resistance to the collapse

10's of millions of tons falling was going to be abated significantly by what, exactly?

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   12:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

10's of millions of tons falling was going to be abated significantly by what, exactly?

Exactly the same thing that held up those 10's of millions of tons from the time they were first put there.

You know the answer, do I have to tell you?

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   12:33:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It indicates no such thing.

So in your mind, it only takes 2.5 seconds to demolish millions of tons of concrete and steel, where they offer no more resistance than thin air, eh?

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   12:35:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Exactly the same thing that held up those 10's of millions of tons from the time they were first put there.

Has the fact that it was FALLING and therefore, by definition, NO LONGER BEING HELD UP, escaped you?

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   12:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So in your mind, it only takes 2.5 seconds to demolish millions of tons of concrete and steel, where they offer no more resistance than thin air, eh?

I *shudder* to ask but will anyway, where in your *mind, did you reach such a conclusion?

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   12:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Did I miss something somewhere?

Yes, you seem to selectively miss a whole lot everywhere.

I'll give ya credit though, you do seem to be tight on the establishment viewpoints and all but in lock-step with them.

Katniss  posted on  2015-04-08   12:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I care why about repetitively backtracking over your incapability to see the obvious there

I stated exactly what is obvious there...no more...no less...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   12:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll give ya credit though, you do seem to be tight on the establishment viewpoints...

...I've accepted nothing more than the broad strokes of 9/11...OBL orchestrated hijacked planes...crashed into buildings...@ WTC the damage, which I personally witnessed, was as fatal to the structures as it was to the people inside.

I firmly believe that 93 was shot down on The Big Dick Cheney's order which turned out to be problematic for them - because The Big Dick had no authority to do so - so they simply denied it.

Not one of the other scenarios I have been presented with, especially the controlled demolition or drone nonsense, has ever given me pause, i.e. it was too easily falsified...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   13:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

which I personally witnessed

So you were there, in all three places, to see it all unfold?

Impressive.

If you say that you saw it on TV then you'll simply prove that you're more stupid than I thought you were.

You completely ignored most of the points made by myself and GL and the evidence provided in many posts prior to this.

There's not much to discuss at that point and combined with your other idiotic statements tells the world all that we need to know about you.

Katniss  posted on  2015-04-08   13:13:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You completely ignored most of the points made by myself and GL and the evidence provided in many posts prior to this.

I believe that I have responded to every post. And any *evidence* that you may have thought that you provided wasn't evidence at all.

I was employed for a company located @ 165 Broadway and I had a desk at the NW corner of the building and was there, in my desk, that morning. Both towers were at my shoulder.

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   13:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you were there, in all three places, to see it all unfold?

I almost let this jab go by but I simply cannot.

What misfires in the mind of you folks that makes you *think* such abjectly *stupid* things? There was nothing that I stated/posted here from which such a conclusion of the meaning of what I stated/posted here could be reached.

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   13:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Has the fact that it was FALLING and therefore, by definition, NO LONGER BEING HELD UP, escaped you?

"FALLING" through WHAT exactly?

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   13:26:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"FALLING" through WHAT exactly?

Whatever was below it. From every video available that would be through the rest of the building...

Are your questions going to get any better?

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   13:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I *shudder* to ask but will anyway, where in your *mind, did you reach such a conclusion?

With unimpeded motion, an object would have taken 9 seconds to hit the ground if it had been dropped from the very top of the WTC towers.

Being that it took 11.5 seconds for the top of WTC 2 to hit the ground, and 12.5 seconds for WTC 1 to do the same, can you not at least admit the fact that it only took 2.5 seconds to effectively vaporize WTC 2 and 3.5 seconds to vaporize WTC 1?

In fact, those lower floors HAD to have been pulverized PRIOR to the upper structure reaching their level for the upper structure to have hit the ground ONLY 2.5/3.5 seconds later than if it had fallen through thin air.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   13:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Whatever was below it. From every video available that would be through the rest of the building...

Ok, so the REST OF THE BUILDING supported all those tons above it since it was built. Now why all of a sudden were they unable to continue to support that weight?

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   13:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now why all of a sudden were they unable to continue to support that weight?

Because the top millions of tons had decoupled from the bottom and began falling at a rate of 32 feet per second per second.

And I'll note that the answer to my question regarding your questions in my last post is obviously *no*...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   13:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Being that it took 11.5 seconds for the top of WTC 2 to hit the ground, and 12.5 seconds for WTC 1 to do the same, can you not at least admit the fact that it only took 2.5 seconds to effectively vaporize WTC 2 and 3.5 seconds to vaporize WTC 1?

Chuckles...you've gone from claiming that they fell at free fall speed, to now recognizing that they did not (without overtly admitting it) and now want me to admit to what I myself posted as if it would be some sort of victory for you.

Do yourself a favor, if you ever get sued...settle the case...you'd be a mess on the witness stand...

This is very simple...gravity does not change...controlled demolitions rely on gravity...using gravity as proof, first that the Towers could not fall on their own, and then to prove that they did fall on their own albeit with help* is extremely illogical.

Why don't we approach it this way...assume for one moment that there was no controlled demolition...how should the Towers have collapsed and, most importantly, why?

*PS: BTW, that *help* would be no different from what actually happened...the remaining supporting columns were so compromised that they could no longer support the structure.

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   13:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Once again, you ignore the core points of the post.

I will give you props for that, you're a master at polemical evasion.

Katniss  posted on  2015-04-08   14:03:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Something's not passing the smell test here, regarding war.

He's clearly a product of the media, but there's something else amiss.

Katniss  posted on  2015-04-08   14:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Chuckles...you've gone from claiming that they fell at free fall speed, to now recognizing that they did not (without overtly admitting it) and now want me to admit to what I myself posted as if it would be some sort of victory for you.

You are a liar.

I have said OVER and OVER and OVER AGAIN, that the WTC towers fell AT OR NEAR FREE FALL SPEED.

Are you able to understand it now that I have said it in all CAPS?

FREEFALL SPEED of 9 SECONDS, PLUS TWO and ONE HALF SECONDS, EQUALS NEAR FREEFALL SPEED.

YOU need to admit that it would take longer than 2.5 seconds to totally destroy 70 floors worth of steel and concrete, yet that is what took place.

The ONLY way for that to have happened in that amount of time is by controlled demolition.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   14:10:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He's clearly a product of the media, but there's something else amiss.

He clearly posts (works ???) on the Internet 9 to 5 EST, has been doing so for quite some time, and ALWAYS takes the government's side on whatever it is he's "discussing".

He ignores indisputable facts, or at minimum distorts and twists those facts into meanings totally opposite of what they indicate.

So yep, there is SURELY something "amiss" with our little friend, war.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   14:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

*PS: BTW, that *help* would be no different from what actually happened...the remaining supporting columns were so compromised that they could no longer support the structure.

So now you're trying to claim that the entire length of the lower 70 floors was "compromised", eh?

Maybe the "muzzies" dug a hole from a cave in Afghanistan all the way to under the WTC towers, and THAT is what made them fall, right?

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   14:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Once again, you ignore the core points of the post.

Once again, I have no idea what your reference or context is.

I will give you props for that, you're a master at polemical evasion.

Unfortunately for you, I simply recognize bullshit when I see it...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   14:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So now you're trying to claim that the entire length of the lower 70 floors was "compromised", eh?

Uh no...go back and re-read the deliberately simple English that I used and try again.

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   14:18:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He clearly posts (works ???) on the Internet 9 to 5 EST, has been doing so for quite some time, and ALWAYS takes the government's side on whatever it is he's "discussing".

Has the government come out and stated that it shot down Flt93?

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   14:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is very simple...gravity does not change...controlled demolitions rely on gravity...using gravity as proof, first that the Towers could not fall on their own, and then to prove that they did fall on their own albeit with help* is extremely illogical.

So every skycraper on earth should be falling down right now according to your logic, since gravity makes them all "fall".

Mountains should be "falling" too I guess, in YOUR universe.

Blowing up the supporting lower structure with explosives is not "allowing the towers to fall on their own". Do you need diagrams to understand that?

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   14:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Has the government come out and stated that it shot down Flt93?

Of course not. Nor are they admitting that it landed at Cleveland, Ohio, even though there are credible reports that it actually did just that.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   14:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Unfortunately for you, I simply recognize bullshit when I see it...

Yes, all you need to do is read your own words.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   14:24:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Uh no...go back and re-read the deliberately simple English that I used and try again.

Are you now denying that you wrote these words?

the remaining supporting columns were so compromised that they could no longer support the structure.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   14:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

FREEFALL SPEED of 9 SECONDS, PLUS TWO and ONE HALF SECONDS, EQUALS NEAR FREEFALL SPEED.

2.5 seconds for, essentially, the short distance the South Tower had to fall is not a small amount of time and that was only the observable time, btw...

YOU need to admit that it would take longer than 2.5 seconds to totally destroy 70 floors worth of steel and concrete, yet that is what took place.

What makes you *think* that the collapsing structure had to destroy the floors? All it had to do was take out whatever supports were below it...do you think a controlled demolition would have destroyed the entire FLOOR? No, doofus, it destroys support...

Geez...stop and *think* please....

Engineer, my ass...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   14:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the remaining supporting columns were so compromised that they could no longer support the structure.

Yea...the structure being what was ABOVE the impact zones, doof...the columns that were compromised didn't support what was below it...only above it...

Your mind is a mess...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-08   14:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Because the top millions of tons had decoupled from the bottom and began falling at a rate of 32 feet per second per second.

Explain "decoupled".

And explain why the lower structure suddenly behaved as if it were thin air, or perhaps THICK air, giving at least SOME resistance to the FREE FALL ACCELERATION of the upper structure.

If you'd like, we could use some equations to illustrate some laws of physics. Do you like equations war?

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-08   14:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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