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Title: Airline whistleblower solves 9/11
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URL Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/31/airline911/
Published: Feb 2, 2015
Author: Kevin Barrett
Post Date: 2015-02-02 18:45:43 by christine
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Views: 3763
Comments: 84

The truth-seeking community – and the airline industry – are abuzz over Rebekah Roth’s new book Methodical Illusion. It’s poised to break into the top 1,000 worldwide, selling so fast that Amazon may even have tried to stop its rise to bestseller status by falsely claiming “sorry, out of stock.”

We’ve seen this situation before…such as on September 8th, 2013, when the RT documentary 9/11 and Operation Gladio started to go viral and suddenly disappeared from search engines – as emails containing its url began falling into a big black hole in cyberspace.

So what’s all the excitement about? Why would the people whose job is to “disable the purveyors of conspiracy theories” try to limit sales of a potboiler novel by a former stewardess?

hqdefaultHint: It isn’t literary quality they’re afraid of. If you want a 9/11 truth novel by a literary genius, read Thomas Pynchon’s Bleeding Edge. Pynchon’s book has lots of great writing and a modest amount of 9/11 truth, packaged in such a way as not to offend the Tribe that dominates American media.

But if you want a rough-hewn page-turner with more 9/11 truth than anything you’re likely to read this side of David Ray Griffin or Christopher Bollyn (or Veterans Today for that matter) check out Methodical Illusion. Roth boldly goes where no stewardess or novelist has gone before, pinning 9/11 squarely on the Israelis and their American assets, and providing a convincing explanation of how the planes were “hijacked,” by whom, where they went, and what happened to the passengers.

Roth’s book has set off a stampede by her former colleagues in the aviation industry, who are rushing to provide details supporting her revelations. They are confirming the installation of FTS (Flight Termination System) equipment on the models “hijacked” on 9/11, which allowed those planes to be taken over remotely and flown from the ground. When FTS takes over a plane, it completely shuts down that plane’s communications with the outside world. That explains why not one of the four pilots on any of the 9/11 planes managed to flip a toggle switch and squawk the hijack code. Had the aircraft been hijacked in a normal manner, the pilots, who are trained to instantly squawk “hijack” in such an emergency, all would have done so.

The failure of any of the 9/11 planes to squawk the “we are hijacked” message is absolute, conclusive proof that the official story of hijackings by Arabs armed with box cutters is false.

According to the author’s hypothesis, the FTS-captured-and-silenced planes landed at a nearby Air Force base with gigantic hangars, which Roth identifies and a colleague who was there confirms happened, less than 20 minutes after takeoff. Once on the ground, selected flight attendants and passengers were guided (or forced) to place cell phone calls, during which they read from scripts prepared by the perpetrators.

This scenario is very similar to one planned by the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962: the infamous Operation Northwoods. And it is entirely plausible. The main counter-argument – that the FAA tracked the two Boston aircraft from takeoff to crashes – has been disproven, since we now know that the 9/11 perpetrators were inserting false blips onto FAA controllers screens and thereby controlling what they saw.

According to this scenario, the Twin Towers would have been hit by military aircraft and/or missiles, not passenger jets.

Roth’s hypothesis is compelling, for several reasons. First, it explains why the perpetrators would invent such a ridiculously implausible scenario as “hijacked suicide attack planes fly all over the Eastern half of the USA before finally hitting their targets or being taken down by heroic passengers.” They needed this palpably absurd scheme to allow for time to covertly land the planes and stage the dramas via scripted cell phone calls. And the dramas – which would brainwash Americans into hating Israel’s Muslim enemies and killing them by the millions – were (alongside the horrific images broadcast from New York) the key part of the psy-op. Without the “cell phone calls,” nobody would have “known” what happened on those planes.

Were there such a thing as al-Qaeda suicide hijackers, they would take over the plane immediately after takeoff and fly straight for their targets, thereby minimizing the possibility of things going wrong, such as FTS being activated by the good guys or NORAD interceptors showing up in around 10 minutes – the normal procedure every time a plane deviates significantly from course.

But since there have been no successful hijackings in the USA since the 1970s, the whole idea that even one plane would be successfully hijacked on 9/11 is ludicrous. The preposterous claim that four planes with military-trained pilots were commandeered by 130 pound “muscle hijackers” with box cutters and flown with consummate skill and impossible speed by pilots who couldn’t even fly Cessnas is one of history’s most bizarre delusions.

Roth’s hypothesis also explains why so many of the people who received phone calls from the “hijacked passengers” insisted that the calls came from the person’s cell phone, positively identified through caller ID. In 2001, cell phones did not work at altitude. The calls must have been made from the ground.

Additionally, this scenario explains why many of the cell phone calls went on so long; were often placed to improbable recipients; had none of the correct background sounds; and were full of bizarre glitches revealing that they were scripted and/or coerced, not actual emergency calls from in-flight aircraft.

Roth’s explanation sheds light on the role of Rabbi Dov Zakheim, a US-Israeli dual citizen who served as Comptroller of the Pentagon on 9/11 and managed to abscond with $2.3 trillion dollars, as Rumsfeld announced the day before.

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#23. To: Cynicom (#1)

Nonsense...

The author may not have the scenario of that day precisely accurate but I'd bet my life it's much closer to the truth than the fabrication offered by Uncle Sambo.

"Honest, April 15th is April Fools Day".

noone222  posted on  2015-02-03   8:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: noone222, All (#23)

According to the author’s hypothesis, the FTS-captured-and-silenced planes landed at a nearby Air Force base with gigantic hangars, which Roth identifies and a colleague who was there confirms happened, less than 20 minutes after takeoff. Once on the ground, selected flight attendants and passengers were guided (or forced) to place cell phone calls, during which they read from scripts prepared by the perpetrators.

This scenario is very similar to one planned by the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962: the infamous Operation Northwoods. And it is entirely plausible. The main counter-argument – that the FAA tracked the two Boston aircraft from takeoff to crashes – has been disproven,... since we now know that the 9/11 perpetrators were inserting false blips onto FAA controllers screens and thereby controlling what they saw. .....

... since we now know that the 9/11 perpetrators were inserting false blips onto FAA controllers screens and thereby controlling what they saw. .....

And we KNOW this how?????

There is a transcript available of what was happening in the FAA operations center that day. I have perused it several times, finding nothing but confusion, indecision and lack of command.

In it you will read that in the center they were watching the aircraft approaching Washington, make turns etc etc, with mileage being called out as it nears D.C. All in the room assumed the target was the White House, but it turned away toward the Pentagon.

It is all there, minute by minute.

Primary radar CANNOT be controlled by anyone except the controllers, plus the aircraft was being watched by MULTIPLE radars, not just one.

This work of hype is for the gullible, TO MAKE MONEY.

It is no wonder that the conspirators have gotten away.

By the way, in the past, I and other misfits use to jam American and Russian radars for practice, the sneaky controllers would shift frequency on us and be watching us naked.

It is a shame anyone here on 4um would ever buy into this money making book.

If anyone maintains all the people in the control center in Washington were in on this affair, I quit. Ignorance gets us all, stupidity is terminal.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   9:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#24)

It is a shame anyone here on 4um would ever buy into this money making book.

I do not intend to buy the book ... I do think the planes were likely remote controlled, that Dov Zakheim was involved, and that we have been lied into war wherein innocent people are being slaughtered for the advancement of the global elite.

Gnosis is impossible for the general public regarding 9-11.

"Honest, April 15th is April Fools Day".

noone222  posted on  2015-02-03   9:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222 (#25)

I have to agree with much of what you have to say. That three of these planes, ostensibly guided by very low-skill pilots, hit their marks at speeds and altitudes that the airliners in question were not designed to cruise or maneuver at is nothing short of miraculous. What followed was one geostrategic disaster after another.

The concealment and destruction of evidence has made "gnosis" difficult, but there are yards of loose ends the perps left for us to unravel. History will yet speak of this in ways that haven't yet generally been given voice to.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-03   9:45:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#24)

... since we now know that the 9/11 perpetrators were inserting false blips onto FAA controllers screens and thereby controlling what they saw. .....

And we KNOW this how?????

From Toronto Star Reprint, 9 December 2001

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - EARLY morning, Sept. 11. A lifetime before the attacks on New York and Washington. Deep inside a mountain in Colorado and far beneath the granite of North Bay, members of the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) are at full "battle staff" levels for a major annual exercise that tests every facet of the organization.

Operation Northern Vigilance, planned months in advance, involves deploying fighter jets to locations in Alaska and northern Canada. Part of this exercise is pure simulation, but part is real world: NORAD is keeping a close eye on the Russians, who have dispatched long-range bombers to their own high north on a similar exercise.

Everything is going as planned when Capt. Mike Jellinek arrives for his 6 a.m. shift. The Canadian will be overseeing the crew staffing a crucial post inside the mountain- NORAD's command centre.

Whether it's a simulation or a real-world event, the role of the centre is to fuse every critical piece of information NORAD has into a concise and crystalline snapshot.

An hour into his shift, something unscripted happens. NORAD's Northeast Air Defence Sector (NEADS), based in Rome, N.Y., contacts the mountain.

The Federal Aviation Administration has evidence of a hijacking and is asking for NORAD support. This is not part of the exercise.

In a flash, Operation Northern Vigilance is called off. Any simulated information, what's known as an "inject," is purged from the screens.

Someone shouted to look at the monitor displaying CNN.

"At that point, we saw the World Trade Center, one of the towers, smoke coming out of it. And a minute later, we watched the live feed as the second aircraft swung around into the second tower," says Jellinek.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-03   9:45:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: noone222 (#25)

Take time to read the transcript of the FAA control center.

Mind you the people in charge and on line were the vice president and his advisers, untold generals at NORAD in CO, untold military and civilian power people, however NO ONE WAS MAKING ANY DECISIONS..IT WAS MASS CONFUSION...THE AIRCRAFT IS FAST APPROACHING WASHINGTON AND WE HAD ONLY INERTIA.

Finally a mid level FAA control manager, takes charge, to stop the insanity, he orders all aircraft to land at once, no aircraft to depart within US air space. Incoming overseas flights were turned back if not at PNR, no exceptions.

There were over 4000 aircraft under control at that time, all were brought down without incidents.

Some political hack said the pilots should have the discretion to continue or not...These are the managers words...FUCK THE PILOTS, all aircraft down now no exceptions.

MIND YOU, ALL OF THIS WHILE THE RADAR SHOWED THE AIRCRAFT NEARING, CLOSER AND CLOSER TO WASHINGTON. A missile does not make turns and all this while the radar was compromised by an unseen hand?

It does make one ill to read the transcript, to see that NO ONE OF POWER WAS IN CHARGE. It took a low level FAA manager to stop the insanity. He made the decision, the power people said and did nothing.

That SOB Cheney was worthless.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   10:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#28)

Why were the fighters scrambled from Langley directed over the ocean instead of towards the approaching aircraft. Did bin Laden hold a gun to Rumsfeld's head?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-03   10:03:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Hmmmmm (#22)

You really don't have a dog in this fight.

But I do. I'm genuinely trying to be supportive of good dialog. I failed to convey that in my remarks, but I will continue to try.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   10:21:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#28)

That SOB Cheney was worthless.

Transportation Director Norman Mineta has stated on crisp video that Vice President Cheney called off the fighters assigned to protect the Pentagon, ordering them to "stand down" before the plane struck it. This he heard via a courier giving orders in the command center.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   10:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Deasy (#31)

Somewhere on net is transcript of minute by minute of conversations going on with all the differing command centers.

If you read it all, what will strike you the most is that actually NO ONE was in charge. All the high level people were in conference or the phone, no command nor control was ever exercised by anyone.

One controller calling out the mileage and maneuvering of the inbound aircraft seems to be the only one doing his job.

It is all there, dozens of people involved, not one person of authority taking charge. Makes me sick to read it. Then the low level manager takes charge, the power people are shunted aside.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   10:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#32)

Cheney's command to the Air Force to stand down isn't in that record, is it?

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   10:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Cynicom (#32)

So what you're saying is that our multi-trillion dollar defense systems along with their command and control are basically worthless, correct?

Like damn, if the US can't stop a few ragheads with box-cutters from flying straight into the Pentagon, with a LOT of advance warning, then we may as well just be shooting bottle rockets at incoming enemy aircraft if push comes to shove.

And you want a war with RUSSSIA???


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-03   10:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deasy (#30)

I'm genuinely trying to be supportive of good dialog.

Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.

fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

Scarlett: What are you doing?

Rhett Butler: I'm leaving you, my dear. All you need now is a divorce and your dreams of Ashley can come true.

Scarlett: Oh, no! No, you're wrong, terribly wrong! I don't want a divorce. Oh Rhett, but I knew tonight, when I... when I knew I loved you, I ran home to tell you, oh darling, darling!

Rhett Butler: Please don't go on with this, Leave us some dignity to remember out of our marriage. Spare us this last.

Scarlett: This last? Oh Rhett, do listen to me, I must have loved you for years, only I was such a stupid fool, I didn't know it. Please believe me, you must care! Melly said you did.

Rhett Butler: I believe you. What about Ashley Wilkes?

Scarlett: I... I never really loved Ashley.

Rhett Butler: You certainly gave a good imitation of it, up till this morning. No Scarlett, I tried everything. If you'd only met me half way, even when I came back from London.

Scarlett: I was so glad to see you. I was, Rhett, but you were so nasty.

Rhett Butler: And then when you were sick, it was all my fault... I hoped against hope that you'd call for me, but you didn't.

Scarlett: I wanted you. I wanted you desperately but I didn't think you wanted me.

Rhett Butler: It seems we've been at cross purposes, doesn't it? But it's no use now. As long as there was Bonnie, there was a chance that we might be happy. I liked to think that Bonnie was you, a little girl again, before the war, and poverty had done things to you. She was so like you, and I could pet her, and spoil her, as I wanted to spoil you. But when she went, she took everything.

Scarlett: Oh, Rhett, Rhett please don't say that. I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry for everything.

Rhett Butler: My darling, you're such a child. You think that by saying, "I'm sorry," all the past can be corrected. Here, take my handkerchief. Never, at any crisis of your life, have I known you to have a handkerchief.

Scarlett: Rhett! Rhett, where are you going?

Rhett Butler: I'm going back to Charleston, back where I belong.

Scarlett: Please, please take me with you!

Rhett Butler: No, I'm through with everything here. I want peace. I want to see if somewhere there isn't something left in life of charm and grace. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Scarlett: No! I only know that I love you.

Rhett Butler: That's your misfortune.

[Rhett turns to walk down the stairs]

Scarlett: Oh, Rhett!

[Scarlett watches Rhett walk to the door]

Scarlett: Rhett!

[runs down the stairs after Rhett]

Scarlett: Rhett, Rhett!

[catches him as he's walking out the front door]

Scarlett: Rhett... if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do?

Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2015-02-03   11:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deasy (#31)

PS...I forgot to add this, something little mentioned in media.

Prior to FAA grounding all aircraft, American Airlines had already taken action by grounding many or all of their aircraft.

Private industry always leads the way with decision making, government is always in inertia mode.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   11:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom (#36)

But does the transcript mention Dick Cheney's stand-down command?

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   11:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#32)

What it comes down to Cyni is that your lack of response to the questions posed to you is an implicit admission that you are wrong, and that you have nothing honest to respond with.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-03   11:06:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Hmmmmm (#35)

Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

Great line, isn't it? Sarcasm doesn't always come in such clear, celluloid packages.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   11:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deasy (#39)

You wanted great dialogue.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2015-02-03   11:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: FormerLurker, Hmmmmm (#38)

He always has something interesting to add though.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   11:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Hmmmmm (#40)

You wanted great dialogue.

LOL

LOL

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   11:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FormerLurker (#38)

What it comes down to Cyni is that your lack of response to the questions posed to you is an implicit admission that you are wrong, and that you have nothing honest to respond with.

... and we all know it.

The more he can be drawn out the less wisdom he appears to have.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2015-02-03   11:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Deasy (#41)

He always has something interesting to add though.

If I start doing advanced trig calculations based on the presumption that 2x3=33 then there is a pretty good chance my conclusions may be a bit off.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2015-02-03   11:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Hmmmmm (#43)

For me there's a method to the madness. All roads, including time for a domestic causus beli with vague lines of conflict, converge on the preservation of the established world order, but this in some Albert Pike-like way will lead to WWIII to depopulate the planet. There's no hope, but the Jews have something to do with it. Any past efforts to resolve these questions were misleading and funded by Americans on both sides, Russians are all Jewish.

Christian end times play some sort of role, but this is never fully explained.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   11:53:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Deasy (#37)

But does the transcript mention Dick Cheney's stand-down command?

That I do not recall.

Would have to review.

It is apparent from the transcript that no one is in charge.

It is readily apparent as to radar coverage as the controller is calling out the position, heading and ETA Washington.

In DC area there are at least a half dozen different radar units, ability to over ride any or all was an impossibility.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   12:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom (#46)

It is apparent from the transcript that no one is in charge.

I have offered you strong evidence that someone was in charge. This would not be on the transcript.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   12:03:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Truth Seekers (#47)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-02-03   12:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Deasy (#47)

I have offered you strong evidence that someone was in charge. This would not be on the transcript.

Of course not.

We are discussing two different situations.

You are viewing from the conspirators standpoint, indeed they were in charge, everything going to plan.

I am viewing from low level non conspiratorial level, peons if you will. I stated, there was NOTHING coming down from high levels, anywhere.

Action was taken by airlines and low level FAA, on their own.

There was never any command to solve the problem from the top.

Somewhere there is transcript of Cheney being nasty to low level Navy person, I believe.

There were hundreds of FAA slugs involved, doing their work, I would hope no one is gullible enough to believe they also were in on the fix.

As the audio displays and transcript reads, they were calling the approaching aircraft mile by mile.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   12:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Cynicom (#49)

You are viewing from the conspirators standpoint, indeed they were in charge, everything going to plan.

Incorrect. I'm merely reporting that the Vice President stood down the Pentagon's defenses before the attack. Someone at the top stood down our nation's defenses which were protecting one of its most sensitive military resources, the Pentagon.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   12:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Deasy (#50)

Incorrect.

That is first I have heard from anyone that the government was not involved.

It has always been my opinion that government was involved, of course I have no proof, just opinion.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   12:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#49)

There were hundreds of FAA slugs involved, doing their work, I would hope no one is gullible enough to believe they also were in on the fix.

As the audio displays and transcript reads, they were calling the approaching aircraft mile by mile.

Uh huh.

At 8:56, Flight 77 disappeared from radar (having turned off its transponder) over southern Ohio. 36 minutes later, Dulles controllers picked up something on primary radar that COULD have been the airliner, or it could have been anything else. There was no information on WHICH aircraft it was since the transponder was not on, and there was no way to say they were "calling the approaching aircraft mile by mile" till 36 minutes after having lost it from radar, IF in fact it was the same aircraft which in all likelihood it wasn't.

Timeline for American Airlines Flight 77


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-03   12:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom (#51)

That is first I have heard from anyone that the government was not involved.

Could you clarify that remark?

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   13:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Deasy (#47)

I have offered you strong evidence that someone was in charge.

No one in charge. A false premise, a fallacy. Just because there are no orders on viewable transcripts does not mean noone was in charge. Not to mention the separation of civil and military authorities.

Radar as understood by us layman is a vast array of different meanings or systems.

Primary radar is what we think of as radar and can be a local or centralized system of multiple radar stations. this is basically military radar.

Secondary radar is what civil aviation ATC the world over relies on to plot the position of planes. Most ATC in the world rely primarily on secondary radar to know where planes are. This requires that the transponder on the plane works correctly.

This means that maintenance and deployment of primary radar is no longer a primary concern for airspace regulation. It becomes at best a secondary backup system before they need to pull out the flight progress strips and airways charts.

Basically flick a switch or gain access to the server and you're invisible to secondary radar or can spoof false positives.

This is the company responsible worldwide ATC on 9/11/2001 read carefully:

Aeronautical Radio, Incorporated (ARINC), established in 1929, is a major provider of transport communications and systems engineering solutions for eight industries: aviation, airports, defense, government, healthcare, networks, security, and transportation. ARINC has installed computer data networks in police cars and railroad cars and also maintains the standards for line-replaceable units.[citation needed]

Previously owned by the Carlyle Group, in August 2013, it was announced that the company would be sold to Rockwell Collins. The sale was completed on December 23, 2013. It is headquartered in Annapolis, Maryland, and has two regional headquarters in London, established in 1999 to serve the Europe, Middle East, and Africa region, and Singapore, established in 2003 for the Asia Pacific region. ARINC has more than 3,200 employees at over 120 locations worldwide.

This info is meant as a rough guide to understanding where there could be room for confusion.

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Hmmmmm  posted on  2015-02-03   13:22:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: All (#53)

That is first I have heard from anyone that the government was not involved.

That's a more correct interpretation of Dick Cheney's actions ordering the fighter-interceptor pilots to stand down over the Pentagon.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   13:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Hmmmmm (#54)

Basically flick a switch or gain access to the server and you're invisible to secondary radar or can spoof false positives.

This gets too complicated for me, but I figure you could be right. I still think people died on those flights, and that doesn't exclude ATC.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   13:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Cynicom (#11)

Olde adage, the truth is easy to tell, a lie will trip you up eventually. For dozens, perhaps hundreds of people to be intrusted with a lie is an impossibility.

Cyni, how would that apply to the Kennedy assassination. Surely, you don't believe the Warren Commission Report? How many people had to have known and have been silent or silenced?

Further, when people are controlled (and threatened) and at the mercy of those who give them a paycheck, they shut their mouths faster than a steel trap.

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-02-03   14:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Hmmmmm (#40)

You wanted great dialogue.

laughing...

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-02-03   14:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Hmmmmm (#17)

They also don't get sucked into a hole in the ground and NO cell phones worked from airplanes in 2001.

Yeah, I know.

It's funny, a couple of years ago I explained a few things about 9-11 to my son, 10 or 11 at the time, born in '01, that same year.

I showed him a video of 7 and the videos of the fires, and then several angles of the collapse. The second that I told him that the government claims that the building collapsed like that due to the fires he bursts into roarous laughter.

It's funny, only those that want to be fooled will be. That's why as a nation we deserve every liberty-robbing thing we end up getting. Unfortunately the vast minority of us that realize the truth, we have to get sucked up with the babboons and fools that keep that charade afloat.

On the flip side, what's the point in living in a world that's a fairy tale and little is real.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-03   15:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: christine (#57) (Edited)

Surely, you don't believe the Warren Commission Report?

Never believed a word of it.

Never believed the 9/11 report either.

My "OPINION" based on intellect alone says "someone" in government orchestrated both affairs.

However, common sense tells me the guilty are busy helping to fuel the flames of conspiracy, that covers their tracks.

Involving hundreds if not thousands, lessens the danger of the few ever being brought to justice.

Remember the Liberty affair that almost started WWIII. The navy people were threatened to lie and never tell what happened.

It did not work then nor now.

My own opinion is that a very few high level people set things in motion, using foreign operatives that never knew who they were working for. In the dirty tricks business, that is called having a "disconnect" so that the top people can never be outed.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   15:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Cynicom (#60)

Well said; I completely agree.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-02-03   15:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Lod, Christine (#61)

Recall the Reagan Iran/Contra affair?

Friend of mine, that had flown in Central and South America for years, use to fly cargo jets as a contract pilot into that area.

The pay was handsome, fly jet from US South with cargo, land in remote area, fly cargo back to the US.

What was odd???? Never clear any authority outbound,, never clear customs in bound. Just land, walk away, check in mail few days later.

He was former Air Force, top secret clearance, so not a liability to whomever paid the bill.

Total disconnect, he never knew but the answer was simple.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   16:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Cynicom (#60)

Ok. That's reasonable. As I have said often, I cannot say what really happened or who was responsible, but I can say with certainty that it could not have happened as the NIST report claims.

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-02-03   16:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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