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Title: Airline whistleblower solves 9/11
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/31/airline911/
Published: Feb 2, 2015
Author: Kevin Barrett
Post Date: 2015-02-02 18:45:43 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 5217
Comments: 84

The truth-seeking community – and the airline industry – are abuzz over Rebekah Roth’s new book Methodical Illusion. It’s poised to break into the top 1,000 worldwide, selling so fast that Amazon may even have tried to stop its rise to bestseller status by falsely claiming “sorry, out of stock.”

We’ve seen this situation before…such as on September 8th, 2013, when the RT documentary 9/11 and Operation Gladio started to go viral and suddenly disappeared from search engines – as emails containing its url began falling into a big black hole in cyberspace.

So what’s all the excitement about? Why would the people whose job is to “disable the purveyors of conspiracy theories” try to limit sales of a potboiler novel by a former stewardess?

hqdefaultHint: It isn’t literary quality they’re afraid of. If you want a 9/11 truth novel by a literary genius, read Thomas Pynchon’s Bleeding Edge. Pynchon’s book has lots of great writing and a modest amount of 9/11 truth, packaged in such a way as not to offend the Tribe that dominates American media.

But if you want a rough-hewn page-turner with more 9/11 truth than anything you’re likely to read this side of David Ray Griffin or Christopher Bollyn (or Veterans Today for that matter) check out Methodical Illusion. Roth boldly goes where no stewardess or novelist has gone before, pinning 9/11 squarely on the Israelis and their American assets, and providing a convincing explanation of how the planes were “hijacked,” by whom, where they went, and what happened to the passengers.

Roth’s book has set off a stampede by her former colleagues in the aviation industry, who are rushing to provide details supporting her revelations. They are confirming the installation of FTS (Flight Termination System) equipment on the models “hijacked” on 9/11, which allowed those planes to be taken over remotely and flown from the ground. When FTS takes over a plane, it completely shuts down that plane’s communications with the outside world. That explains why not one of the four pilots on any of the 9/11 planes managed to flip a toggle switch and squawk the hijack code. Had the aircraft been hijacked in a normal manner, the pilots, who are trained to instantly squawk “hijack” in such an emergency, all would have done so.

The failure of any of the 9/11 planes to squawk the “we are hijacked” message is absolute, conclusive proof that the official story of hijackings by Arabs armed with box cutters is false.

According to the author’s hypothesis, the FTS-captured-and-silenced planes landed at a nearby Air Force base with gigantic hangars, which Roth identifies and a colleague who was there confirms happened, less than 20 minutes after takeoff. Once on the ground, selected flight attendants and passengers were guided (or forced) to place cell phone calls, during which they read from scripts prepared by the perpetrators.

This scenario is very similar to one planned by the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962: the infamous Operation Northwoods. And it is entirely plausible. The main counter-argument – that the FAA tracked the two Boston aircraft from takeoff to crashes – has been disproven, since we now know that the 9/11 perpetrators were inserting false blips onto FAA controllers screens and thereby controlling what they saw.

According to this scenario, the Twin Towers would have been hit by military aircraft and/or missiles, not passenger jets.

Roth’s hypothesis is compelling, for several reasons. First, it explains why the perpetrators would invent such a ridiculously implausible scenario as “hijacked suicide attack planes fly all over the Eastern half of the USA before finally hitting their targets or being taken down by heroic passengers.” They needed this palpably absurd scheme to allow for time to covertly land the planes and stage the dramas via scripted cell phone calls. And the dramas – which would brainwash Americans into hating Israel’s Muslim enemies and killing them by the millions – were (alongside the horrific images broadcast from New York) the key part of the psy-op. Without the “cell phone calls,” nobody would have “known” what happened on those planes.

Were there such a thing as al-Qaeda suicide hijackers, they would take over the plane immediately after takeoff and fly straight for their targets, thereby minimizing the possibility of things going wrong, such as FTS being activated by the good guys or NORAD interceptors showing up in around 10 minutes – the normal procedure every time a plane deviates significantly from course.

But since there have been no successful hijackings in the USA since the 1970s, the whole idea that even one plane would be successfully hijacked on 9/11 is ludicrous. The preposterous claim that four planes with military-trained pilots were commandeered by 130 pound “muscle hijackers” with box cutters and flown with consummate skill and impossible speed by pilots who couldn’t even fly Cessnas is one of history’s most bizarre delusions.

Roth’s hypothesis also explains why so many of the people who received phone calls from the “hijacked passengers” insisted that the calls came from the person’s cell phone, positively identified through caller ID. In 2001, cell phones did not work at altitude. The calls must have been made from the ground.

Additionally, this scenario explains why many of the cell phone calls went on so long; were often placed to improbable recipients; had none of the correct background sounds; and were full of bizarre glitches revealing that they were scripted and/or coerced, not actual emergency calls from in-flight aircraft.

Roth’s explanation sheds light on the role of Rabbi Dov Zakheim, a US-Israeli dual citizen who served as Comptroller of the Pentagon on 9/11 and managed to abscond with $2.3 trillion dollars, as Rumsfeld announced the day before.

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#45. To: Hmmmmm (#43)

For me there's a method to the madness. All roads, including time for a domestic causus beli with vague lines of conflict, converge on the preservation of the established world order, but this in some Albert Pike-like way will lead to WWIII to depopulate the planet. There's no hope, but the Jews have something to do with it. Any past efforts to resolve these questions were misleading and funded by Americans on both sides, Russians are all Jewish.

Christian end times play some sort of role, but this is never fully explained.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   11:53:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Deasy (#37)

But does the transcript mention Dick Cheney's stand-down command?

That I do not recall.

Would have to review.

It is apparent from the transcript that no one is in charge.

It is readily apparent as to radar coverage as the controller is calling out the position, heading and ETA Washington.

In DC area there are at least a half dozen different radar units, ability to over ride any or all was an impossibility.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   12:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom (#46)

It is apparent from the transcript that no one is in charge.

I have offered you strong evidence that someone was in charge. This would not be on the transcript.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   12:03:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Truth Seekers (#47)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-02-03   12:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Deasy (#47)

I have offered you strong evidence that someone was in charge. This would not be on the transcript.

Of course not.

We are discussing two different situations.

You are viewing from the conspirators standpoint, indeed they were in charge, everything going to plan.

I am viewing from low level non conspiratorial level, peons if you will. I stated, there was NOTHING coming down from high levels, anywhere.

Action was taken by airlines and low level FAA, on their own.

There was never any command to solve the problem from the top.

Somewhere there is transcript of Cheney being nasty to low level Navy person, I believe.

There were hundreds of FAA slugs involved, doing their work, I would hope no one is gullible enough to believe they also were in on the fix.

As the audio displays and transcript reads, they were calling the approaching aircraft mile by mile.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   12:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Cynicom (#49)

You are viewing from the conspirators standpoint, indeed they were in charge, everything going to plan.

Incorrect. I'm merely reporting that the Vice President stood down the Pentagon's defenses before the attack. Someone at the top stood down our nation's defenses which were protecting one of its most sensitive military resources, the Pentagon.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   12:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Deasy (#50)

Incorrect.

That is first I have heard from anyone that the government was not involved.

It has always been my opinion that government was involved, of course I have no proof, just opinion.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   12:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#49)

There were hundreds of FAA slugs involved, doing their work, I would hope no one is gullible enough to believe they also were in on the fix.

As the audio displays and transcript reads, they were calling the approaching aircraft mile by mile.

Uh huh.

At 8:56, Flight 77 disappeared from radar (having turned off its transponder) over southern Ohio. 36 minutes later, Dulles controllers picked up something on primary radar that COULD have been the airliner, or it could have been anything else. There was no information on WHICH aircraft it was since the transponder was not on, and there was no way to say they were "calling the approaching aircraft mile by mile" till 36 minutes after having lost it from radar, IF in fact it was the same aircraft which in all likelihood it wasn't.

Timeline for American Airlines Flight 77


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-03   12:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom (#51)

That is first I have heard from anyone that the government was not involved.

Could you clarify that remark?

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   13:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Deasy (#47)

I have offered you strong evidence that someone was in charge.

No one in charge. A false premise, a fallacy. Just because there are no orders on viewable transcripts does not mean noone was in charge. Not to mention the separation of civil and military authorities.

Radar as understood by us layman is a vast array of different meanings or systems.

Primary radar is what we think of as radar and can be a local or centralized system of multiple radar stations. this is basically military radar.

Secondary radar is what civil aviation ATC the world over relies on to plot the position of planes. Most ATC in the world rely primarily on secondary radar to know where planes are. This requires that the transponder on the plane works correctly.

This means that maintenance and deployment of primary radar is no longer a primary concern for airspace regulation. It becomes at best a secondary backup system before they need to pull out the flight progress strips and airways charts.

Basically flick a switch or gain access to the server and you're invisible to secondary radar or can spoof false positives.

This is the company responsible worldwide ATC on 9/11/2001 read carefully:

Aeronautical Radio, Incorporated (ARINC), established in 1929, is a major provider of transport communications and systems engineering solutions for eight industries: aviation, airports, defense, government, healthcare, networks, security, and transportation. ARINC has installed computer data networks in police cars and railroad cars and also maintains the standards for line-replaceable units.[citation needed]

Previously owned by the Carlyle Group, in August 2013, it was announced that the company would be sold to Rockwell Collins. The sale was completed on December 23, 2013. It is headquartered in Annapolis, Maryland, and has two regional headquarters in London, established in 1999 to serve the Europe, Middle East, and Africa region, and Singapore, established in 2003 for the Asia Pacific region. ARINC has more than 3,200 employees at over 120 locations worldwide.

This info is meant as a rough guide to understanding where there could be room for confusion.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

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“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2015-02-03   13:22:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: All (#53)

That is first I have heard from anyone that the government was not involved.

That's a more correct interpretation of Dick Cheney's actions ordering the fighter-interceptor pilots to stand down over the Pentagon.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   13:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Hmmmmm (#54)

Basically flick a switch or gain access to the server and you're invisible to secondary radar or can spoof false positives.

This gets too complicated for me, but I figure you could be right. I still think people died on those flights, and that doesn't exclude ATC.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-03   13:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Cynicom (#11)

Olde adage, the truth is easy to tell, a lie will trip you up eventually. For dozens, perhaps hundreds of people to be intrusted with a lie is an impossibility.

Cyni, how would that apply to the Kennedy assassination. Surely, you don't believe the Warren Commission Report? How many people had to have known and have been silent or silenced?

Further, when people are controlled (and threatened) and at the mercy of those who give them a paycheck, they shut their mouths faster than a steel trap.

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-02-03   14:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Hmmmmm (#40)

You wanted great dialogue.

laughing...

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-02-03   14:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Hmmmmm (#17)

They also don't get sucked into a hole in the ground and NO cell phones worked from airplanes in 2001.

Yeah, I know.

It's funny, a couple of years ago I explained a few things about 9-11 to my son, 10 or 11 at the time, born in '01, that same year.

I showed him a video of 7 and the videos of the fires, and then several angles of the collapse. The second that I told him that the government claims that the building collapsed like that due to the fires he bursts into roarous laughter.

It's funny, only those that want to be fooled will be. That's why as a nation we deserve every liberty-robbing thing we end up getting. Unfortunately the vast minority of us that realize the truth, we have to get sucked up with the babboons and fools that keep that charade afloat.

On the flip side, what's the point in living in a world that's a fairy tale and little is real.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-03   15:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: christine (#57) (Edited)

Surely, you don't believe the Warren Commission Report?

Never believed a word of it.

Never believed the 9/11 report either.

My "OPINION" based on intellect alone says "someone" in government orchestrated both affairs.

However, common sense tells me the guilty are busy helping to fuel the flames of conspiracy, that covers their tracks.

Involving hundreds if not thousands, lessens the danger of the few ever being brought to justice.

Remember the Liberty affair that almost started WWIII. The navy people were threatened to lie and never tell what happened.

It did not work then nor now.

My own opinion is that a very few high level people set things in motion, using foreign operatives that never knew who they were working for. In the dirty tricks business, that is called having a "disconnect" so that the top people can never be outed.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   15:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Cynicom (#60)

Well said; I completely agree.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-02-03   15:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Lod, Christine (#61)

Recall the Reagan Iran/Contra affair?

Friend of mine, that had flown in Central and South America for years, use to fly cargo jets as a contract pilot into that area.

The pay was handsome, fly jet from US South with cargo, land in remote area, fly cargo back to the US.

What was odd???? Never clear any authority outbound,, never clear customs in bound. Just land, walk away, check in mail few days later.

He was former Air Force, top secret clearance, so not a liability to whomever paid the bill.

Total disconnect, he never knew but the answer was simple.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   16:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Cynicom (#60)

Ok. That's reasonable. As I have said often, I cannot say what really happened or who was responsible, but I can say with certainty that it could not have happened as the NIST report claims.

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-02-03   16:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Cynicom (#62)

Total disconnect, he never knew but the answer was simple.

He never asked, and they never told.

No W-2s or any of that silly business.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-02-03   17:53:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: christine (#63)

How many Cynicom's are registered on this site? When they start arguing with each other it is difficult to tell them apart, maybe need to number them or something. Cynicom#1 Cynicom#2 Cynicom#3 ...........

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

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Hmmmmm  posted on  2015-02-03   17:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Hmmmmm (#54) (Edited)

No one in charge. A false premise, a fallacy. Just because there are no orders on viewable transcripts does not mean noone was in charge. Not to mention the separation of civil and military authorities.

Radar as understood by us layman is a vast array of different meanings or systems.

Primary radar is what we think of as radar and can be a local or centralized system of multiple radar stations. this is basically military radar.

Secondary radar is what civil aviation ATC the world over relies on to plot the position of planes. Most ATC in the world rely primarily on secondary radar to know where planes are. This requires that the transponder on the plane works correctly.

This means that maintenance and deployment of primary radar is no longer a primary concern for airspace regulation. It becomes at best a secondary backup system before they need to pull out the flight progress strips and airways charts.

Basically flick a switch or gain access to the server and you're invisible to secondary radar or can spoof false positives.

This is the company responsible worldwide ATC on 9/11/2001 read carefully:

Aeronautical Radio, Incorporated (ARINC), established in 1929, [...]

Previously owned by the Carlyle Group, in August 2013, it was announced that the company would be sold to Rockwell Collins. [...]

This info is meant as a rough guide to understanding where there could be room for confusion.

Re: the separation of civil and military authorities

Transponders switching off would immediately make whatever is going on in-flight a Military matter, not dependent on FAA calls and directives about it, whether it's a hijack or turns out to simply be equipment issues or something else. Compare to:

4um Title: Naval base in Cuba would be Russia's best response to US hawks

Britain summoned the Russian ambassador to explain what two Russian bombers were doing on January 28 near British airspace. "The Russian aircraft were flying with disabled transponders, so they could be seen only in military radar.

Re: flick a switch or gain access to the server and you're invisible to secondary radar

Yes, but not to Military radar, I think it's important to note here (even though it might be so obvious to some that it can go without saying for them) because of the many mythological disinfo-barnacles which keep popping back up repeatedly, despite all streamlining attempts to dislodge the impeding clutter with facts, and that weighs down 9/11 discussions ineffectively to the point of being sunk in muck far off course from Truth and Justice, not only for us but the generations after whose public memory storage for optimal understanding of this history shouldn't be so encumbered with red herrings and the like.

Re: or can spoof false positives.

Post #11 of 4um Title: New clue released about missing Malaysia Airlines passenger plane PressTV

2007, “the Syrian military got a taste of this warfare when Israeli planes ‘spoofed’ the country’s air-defense radars, at first making it appear that no jets were in the sky and then in an instant making the radar believe the sky was filled with hundreds of planes.”

Edited formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-03   18:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Lod (#64)

There are thousands of such. Mostly foreign because it is easier to hide them and deny paternity.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-03   18:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Cynicom, christine, Lod, All (#60) (Edited)

My own opinion is that a very few high level people set things in motion, using foreign operatives that never knew who they were working for. In the dirty tricks business, that is called having a "disconnect" so that the top people can never be outed.

That's one of the first things you've posted in quite some time that I can somewhat agree with.

However, it isn't difficult to tie Israel into the events, as there IS strong evidence that at least THEY were involved. That and the Pakistani ISI, since the general in charge of the ISI had just wired a hundred grand or so to the so- called lead terrorist, Mohammed Atta, one day before the attacks. One other interesting thing to note is that general had breakfast in Washington DC the morning of the attacks with Lindsey Graham and Porter Goss.

Murkier connections would probably lead to London, specifically to the House of Rothschild. Nothing of this magnitude could occur and be covered up to the degree it has without their support if not outright involvement.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-03   18:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Deasy (#55) (Edited)

Dick Cheney's actions ordering the fighter-interceptor pilots to stand down over the Pentagon.

stand down order
shoot down order

Easily confused, as the spelling is somewhat similar, but are very different.

However, VP Cheney was not in charge of our US Military or NORAD [US and Canada's Aerospace Defense Command] at all and neither was the FAA in charge of ordering our fighter jets to deploy. Our National Guard air units have two Chains of Command, State and Federal, but Vice Presidents and the FAA aren't in charge of their deployments either. The FAA has Law Enforcement jurisdicton, not Military. The FAA can request Military assistance but the Military needn't wait on that.

There was no stand-down order on 9/11/2001 - Reference: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction
(CJCSI) 3610.01A, 4a: Policy

as you can see from these Instructions, forwarding requests to the SECDEF [My note: Rumsfeld, not Cheney] for approval was the standard procedure as early as at least 1997 [My note: Clinton admin].

This instruction actually liberalized the procedure, by providing an exception for extraordinary circumstances - such as the 9/11 attacks. [My note: Military response on 9/11 not stalled by SECDEF scramble approval]

So, instead of tying the hands of NORAD generals, it actually liberalized the standard procedure.

Edited paragraph 2.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-03   21:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: GreyLmist, Cynicom (#69)

GreyLmist via hyperlink text:
There was no stand-down order on 9/11/2001 - Reference: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction (CJCSI) 3610.01A, 4a: Policy
More information (via YT video Published on Nov 13, 2014)

Five years after 9/11, ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern got an opportunity to question then Transport Secretary Norman Mineta about the meaning of his testimony at the Commission of Inquiry about the attacks of 9/11 (at 2:55 into the above video).

They talked for about 8 minutes. McGovern wanted to know what Mineta made of the akward situation he witnessed that day in the White House bunker.

Was Mineta getting senile and "out of it"? At any rate he kept referring to Flight 93 that crashed in Shanksville, Pa, and not to Flight 77 which "alledgedly" crashed into the Pentagon.

This brief excerpt of the Q&A portion of the evening is followed by the actual testimony of Mineta at the 9/11 Commission where he was answering questions by co-chairman Lee Hamilton. His testimony never made it into the 9/11 Commission Report and the video of that exchange, which was for some time available on the 9/11 Commission's website, has since been removed.

The name of the "young man" Mineta was referring to has finally surfaced. He is Capt. Douglas F. Cochrane (Navy) and was Military aide to Dick Cheney on 9/11. A researcher who tracked him down and who managed to talk to him gives an account of that conversation here (I'm not sure YouTube allows me to provide the URL of an external website, but I'll give it a try) : 911blogger.com/news/2011-11-15/911-stand-down

Apparently, Capt Cochrane has testified at the 9/11 Commission but his testimony, as that of Bush and Cheney, has remained secret.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGodGyarUQo

I can't find the video I saw that led me to conclude what I've quoted Mineta saying in a truther conference. He's either changed his level of frankness or I misremember. I think I'm going to concede that the "obvious" inference here (that repeated queries from Douglas F. Cochrane were affirmed and that those orders were to stand down since nothing was sent up to knock down the best-defended site in the world) aren't so obvious now this many years later.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-04   0:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: FormerLurker (#29) (Edited)

Why were the fighters scrambled from Langley directed over the ocean instead of towards the approaching aircraft.

At pilotsfor911truth.org Re: "9/11: INTERCEPTED" video, Langley fighters and the Whiskey 386 ocean Military training zone

Here is the full [10 second] audio clip referencing the Langley fighters.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/p4t/LangleyW386_0930.mp3

Cross-referencing Posts #131 and #129 at 4um Title: Pilots Analyze the Government Provided Radar Data of the Planes of 9-11, excerpts:

Post #131:

amazon.com: The Untold Story of the Drama That Unfolded in the Skies over America on 9/11 by Lynn Spencer

2 results for Whiskey 386

Page 149: They appear to be flying to military training area Whiskey 386.

Page 151: They're in [Whiskey] 386 and going up north,

from historycommons.org | Fleet Area Control and Surveillance Facility (FACSFAC VACAPES) was a participant or observer in the following events:

The facility, known by its call sign, “Giant Killer,” is the Navy air traffic control agency that handles all over-water military operations. [New York Times, 2/10/1997; Spencer, 2008, pp. 143] Scoggins says: “We have a large, slow-moving target approaching Cape Cod and heading for Boston. Do you have it? What is it?” The person at Giant Killer only replies, “We’re looking,” and then mentions, “We’ve got a fleet of ships heading toward the northeast and an Aegis cruiser [a high-tech warship] on the way.”

Post #129:

where do British subs test fire their missiles? At a place in the atlantic called… Whiskey 386. So were there any British subs in the region? Records on line that I have seen, submitted by one peace grouop in the UK clearly established that HMS Trafalgar left port in the UK on 1st September 2001 to travel via the Americas to the Far East which would have put it in Whiskey 386 or so on 11th September 2001. This peace group who incidentally have nothing to do with the 9/11 movement, established that when HMS Trafalgar reached port in the Far East, her inventory of cruise missiles were down by EIGHT,, indicating a test firing in Whiskey 386 of 8 Cruise missiles on about 11th September 2001.

Why the Planes Were Not Intercepted on 9-11: The Wall Street Lawyer and the Special Ops Hijack Coordinator - 911Blogger.com

Senator Cohen went on to become the [Clinton] Secretary of Defense from 1997 to 2001 and it was he who led the Quadrennial Defense Review of 1997 that reduced the number of fighters actively protecting the continental US from 100 to 14.[19] Cohen is now chairman of The Cohen group, where he works with his Vice Chairman, Marc Grossman,

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-04   0:15:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: GreyLmist (#71)

Thanks, didn't know that about the British sub and possible naval exercises in the vicinity. Down by eight, well, it would only take one to hit the Pentagon.

However, the aircraft Dulles air traffic controllers tracked approached from high up and from the west, where I would surmise a sub launched cruise missile would approach low and from the east.

If we're tossing theories around, I'd say it's possible that an air launched cruise missile is what approached from the west. There in fact WAS a large military aircraft flying above and behind the alleged Flight 77 as reported by witnesses.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-04   0:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: GreyLmist, All (#72)

It's claimed that it was a C-130 cargo plane from Andrews that was out for a spin that morning..

Eyewitness Reports of Other Aircraft in Area of Crash, an accounting of C-130 cargo plane, and helicopter


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-04   0:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: GreyLmist (#69)

However, VP Cheney was not in charge of our US Military or NORAD

Minor quibble: he could have been seen as the lead man to the Pentagon's defenses since he had once been SECDEF and Bush was reading to children about goats or some damned thing.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-04   0:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Deasy (#74) (Edited)

VP Cheney was not in charge of our US Military or NORAD

Minor quibble: he could have been seen as the lead man to the Pentagon's defenses since he had once been SECDEF and Bush was reading to children about goats or some damned thing.

No, Deasy. If you ever see one of the Vets here comment that sometimes our Military forgets former SECDEFs and Vice Presidents aren't their boss, please flag me to it but I don't expect you ever will, even though they don't much point this out. I can't say as I blame them for not wanting to sound like a Public Defender for Cheney because I don't either.

Edited grammar.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-04   2:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: FormerLurker (#73) (Edited)

FL at #72: Thanks, didn't know that about the British sub and possible naval exercises in the vicinity. Down by eight, well, it would only take one to hit the Pentagon.

However, the aircraft Dulles air traffic controllers tracked approached from high up and from the west, where I would surmise a sub launched cruise missile would approach low and from the east.

If we're tossing theories around, I'd say it's possible that an air launched cruise missile is what approached from the west. There in fact WAS a large military aircraft flying above and behind the alleged Flight 77 as reported by witnesses.

FL at #73: It's claimed that it was a C-130 cargo plane from Andrews that was out for a spin that morning..

Eyewitness Reports of Other Aircraft in Area of Crash, an accounting of C-130 cargo plane, and helicopter

You're welcome. Excerpts from the above link:

A C-130 cargo plane had departed Andrews Air Force Base en route to Minnesota that morning and reported seeing an airliner heading into Washington "at an unusual angle," said Lt. Col. Kenneth McClellan, a Pentagon spokesman.

Air-traffic control officials instructed the propeller-powered cargo plane "to let us know where it's going," McClellan said.

But, he said, there was no attempt to intercept the hijacked airliner.

"A C-130 obviously goes slower than a jet," McClellan said. "There was no way he was going to intercept anything."

The C-130 pilot "followed the aircraft and reported it was heading into the Pentagon," he said.

"He saw it crash into the building. He saw the fireball." . . .

In the days immediately following the Sept. 11 hijackings, the Pentagon had no knowledge of the C-130's encounter, because all reports were classified by the Air National Guard, the Pentagon spokesman said.

"It was very hard to get any information out," McClellan said.

Hemphill, Albert: The only large fixed wing aircraft to appear was a gray C-130, which appeared to be a Navy electronic warfare aircraft, he seemed to survey the area and depart in on a westerly heading.

[Keith Wheelhouse] believes it flew directly above the American Airlines jet, as if to prevent two planes from appearing on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Pentagon.

? The Pentagon didn't know anything about a C-130 encounter, just the National Guard did. That 9/11 plane started out, we're told now, by being a run-of-the-mill, propeller-powered cargo plane that couldn't keep up with an airliner but, by the time it was all said and done, somehow it got modified into an electronic warfare AWAC or something that could fly at 500 mph to shadow Flight 77 and guide it remotely into the Pentagon. Nevermind how a non-fighter jet like Flight 77 was flying that fast without breaking apart. Possibly, not being content with becoming just a non-combat AWAC or whatnot, the former C-130 then may have turned into a cruise missile launcher too? I dunno, FL, but it seems to me they can't all be telling the truth and maybe none of them are.

Edited spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-04   5:23:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: FormerLurker (#27)

From Toronto Star Reprint, 9 December 2001

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - EARLY morning, Sept. 11. A lifetime before the attacks on New York and Washington. Deep inside a mountain in Colorado and far beneath the granite of North Bay, members of the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) are at full "battle staff" levels for a major annual exercise that tests every facet of the organization.

Operation Northern Vigilance, planned months in advance, involves deploying fighter jets to locations in Alaska and northern Canada. Part of this exercise is pure simulation, but part is real world: NORAD is keeping a close eye on the Russians, who have dispatched long-range bombers to their own high north on a similar exercise.

It's difficult to find a YouTube of Rep. Cynthia Mckinney questioning Gen. Myers on the 9/11 wargames, so am archiving the one below here. She had asked him whether the 4 wargames going on that day actually impaired our ability to respond to the attacks. At 1:39, he says that there were 2 CPXs [Command Post Exercises], 1 Department of Justice exercise that didn't have anything do with the other 3 [the 3rd being simulated Operation Northern Vigilance?] and there was an actual operation ongoing because there was some Russian bomber activity up near Alaska. [Ref. the Toronto Star quote above on real world Operation Northern Vigilance] She asks him who was in charge of managing those wargames. He says that NORAD was and that having all the battle positions already being filled for the exercises, which normally aren't, actually enhanced response time, so it was an easy transition from an exercise into a real world situation. She asks if 9/11 was a National Security Special Event Day because of the activities going on that had been scheduled at the United Nations that day and he says that he'd have to check because he didn't know.

Response - Cynthia Mckinney questions General Myers on 9 11 wargames - CSPAN coverage - 3 minutes

Uploaded on Sep 11, 2011 by Berkshire 911 Truth

Credit goes to the source:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it6-2gkSQIg [Error Message: This video is unavailable]

Cross-referebcing Post #69

There was no stand-down order on 9/11/2001 - Reference: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction (CJCSI) 3610.01A, 4a: Policy

as you can see from these Instructions, forwarding requests to the SECDEF [My note: Rumsfeld, not Cheney] for approval was the standard procedure as early as at least 1997 [My note: Clinton admin].

This instruction actually liberalized the procedure, by providing an exception for extraordinary circumstances - such as the 9/11 attacks. [My note: Military response on 9/11 not stalled by SECDEF scramble approval]

So, instead of tying the hands of NORAD generals, it actually liberalized the standard procedure. [Ref. above video: enhanced response time]

Cross-referencing Post #71

Why the Planes Were Not Intercepted on 9-11: The Wall Street Lawyer and the Special Ops Hijack Coordinator - 911Blogger.com

Michael Canavan

although Mike Canavan was mentioned in the 9/11 Commission report, he was not cited for his role as the FAA’s hijack coordinator,

Canavan’s job as hijack coordinator was clearly the most important link in the communications chain between the FAA and the military. But the 9/11 Commission did not address this hijack coordinator position in terms of how it was fulfilled on 9/11, and did not mention the alarming fact that we don’t know who actually handled the job of hijack coordinator on the day of 9/11. We don’t know because Canavan said he was in Puerto Rico that morning and claimed to have missed out on “everything that happened that day.”[25]

Sort of indicates some level of pre-planning there by Chaos Agents or whomever.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-04   8:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: GreyLmist (#75)

VP Cheney was not in charge of our US Military or NORAD

Thanks for all of this information, GM.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-04   9:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Deasy (#78) (Edited)

Thanks for all of this information, GM.

You're welcome, Deasy, and thank you for the excellent 911blogger.com research that you to linked to at Post #70 on the "stand-down/shoot-down" issues, which confirms the Military was well aware that they don't take their orders from Vice Presidents, even if it might appear that both the President and the actual SECDEF have adandoned their posts due to a break in communications with them. I don't know why either one would have been unreachable. Rumsfeld was reportedly at the Pentagon, Bush's whereabouts weren't unknown and doubtful there's any serious suggestion that Air Force One transmissions were jammed by bin Laden henchmen. In any case, we can determine from the CJCSI 3610.01A, 4a: Policy Instructions by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, noted at Post #69, that the Military didn't need "scramble clearance" from civilian higher-ups, so it would have been shoot-down orders that were in question rather than "stand down" orders by Cheney or anyone.

Too much has been read into Mineta's comments about questions to Cheney by his Military aide, Navy Capt. Douglas Cochrane, asking if orders still stand. That reasonably only means the Commander in Chief wasn't in direct communication with the Captain, so he wondered if anything had changed orderwise since the last time someone had talked to Bush about it. I don't know why he would have been leaving his post and that often to inquire so or why he even would have thought it was any of his business, since I'm very sure that any authorized shoot down orders weren't going to be relayed through him to the pilots.

The Pentagon probably had the self-defense means to down an incoming plane without having to scramble jets after it, so the situation in question as to an order like that was probably FL 93 and not FL 77 too. The things that I think Americans should be more concerned about in this scenario are the agendas to "normalize" the public conscience to just expect and accept a shoot down policy henceforth of any plane with hijack victims aboard rather than intercepts to "appease" hijackers by trying to negotiate a safe landing for the passengers. That agenda is being hammered all these years by the "heroic" depiction of Flight 93's killer passengers who, even though they apparently had no way of knowing the Military wouldn't be there in time to try and save them and also couldn't be sure they wouldn't take out a lot [more] casualties of all ages on the ground wherever they crashed it themselves instead of the hijackers, proceeded suicidally to murder everyone "Massada-style" before "the Ayrabs" did.

Edited for spacing and bracketed insert, last sentence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-04   19:55:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: All, Kamala (#79) (Edited)

Correction at #79: "Masada-style" Re: 9/11 Flight 93

Did a 4um Search for PENREN to find a topic about the Pentagon Renovation Project. This was the only return -- a case study of Flight 93 and more of relevance. Thought it was interesting and informative so am archiving it here in recommendation:

Flight 93 - Flight 93 = Y
Score: 11
Post Date: 2006-09-09 07:37:58 by Kamala
1 Comments
newswire article reporting united states 29.Apr.2005 22:31 9.11 investigation Flight 93 - Flight 93 = Y author: tuckett Y = Revolt I was struggling to remember a word that I had not thought of for quite some time. That, Even for Weeks, I still hadn't the word that would define... Then Finally I saw it. 'Wheaton'. For I am witness to the Crimes, and That they shall not go unpunished... That the conspiracy has longsome wings, yet, as far will not travel... Let these words furnish the good ...

Spelling edits.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-05   14:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: All, christine (#71) (Edited)

911Blogger.com

Senator Cohen went on to become the [Clinton] Secretary of Defense from 1997 to 2001 and it was he who led the Quadrennial Defense Review of 1997 that reduced the number of fighters actively protecting the continental US from 100 to 14

Kevin Barret at veteranstoday.com, from the Opening Post:

"Rebekah Roth’s new book Methodical Illusion. [...] Roth’s explanation sheds light on the role of Rabbi Dov Zakheim, a US-Israeli dual citizen who served as Comptroller of the Pentagon on 9/11 and managed to abscond with $2.3 trillion dollars, as Rumsfeld announced the day before."

Although Zakheim worked variously at the Pentagon before becoming the GWBush admin's Comptroller (i.e. a fiscal/budgetary Under Secretary of Defense) and so may have been involved somehow prior to that role with the trillions and transactions in question, also possibly with camouflaging accounting issues as investigative Comptroller [and has probably profited much from 9/11 in his Military Industrial Complex dealings], it was the Clinton admin where they were found to have gone missing and awry. That is what Rumsfeld was alluding to in his press announcement about it. References for review:

List of U.S. Secretaries of Defense and their Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller)/Chief Financial Officers

President: George H. W. Bush

Secretary of Defense: William H. Taft IV (Acting) – January to March 1989

Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller):

Clyde O. Glaister

Secretary of Defense: Richard B. Cheney in office March 20, 1989 – January 20, 1993

Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller):

Clyde O. Glaister
Sean O'Keefe
Donald B. Shycoff (Acting)

President: William Clinton

Secretary of Defense: Leslie Aspin, Jr. in office January 21, 1993 – February 3, 1994
Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller):

Donald B. Shycoff (Acting)
Alice Maroni (Acting)
John J. Hamre

Secretary of Defense: William J. Perry in office February 3, 1994 – January 23, 1997

Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller):

John J. Hamre

Secretary of Defense: William S. Cohen in office January 24, 1997 – January 20, 2001

Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller):

John J. Hamre
William J. Lynn in office November 19, 1997 – January 19, 2001 [abrupt end - no transitional extension under incoming SECDEF, as with other Comptrollers]

President: George W. Bush

Secretary of Defense: Donald H. Rumsfeld in office January 20, 2001 – December 18, 2006

Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller):

Dov S. Zakheim in office May 3, 2001 – April 15, 2004

Of the three linked Clinton SECDEFs, William J. Perry seems least suspect of mismanagement/malfeasance, imo.

In January 1996 [Perry] talked about experiences over the past year in which he never thought a Secretary of Defense would be involved. At the top of the list was witnessing participation of a Russian brigade in a U.S. division in the Bosnian peacekeeping operation. [...] helping the Russian defense minister blow up a Minuteman missile silo in Missouri; watching United States and Russian troops training together in Kansas; welcoming former Warsaw Pact troops in Louisiana; operating a school at Garmisch, Germany, to teach former Soviet and East European military officers about democracy, budgeting, and testifying to a parliament; dismantling the military specifications system for acquisition; [...] Shortly after President Clinton's reelection in November 1996, Perry made known his decision to step down as secretary.

9/11 Pentagon strikezone, financial issues, etc.

Pentagon Renovation Program - Wikipedia | 1.10 Swing space | 1.11 Wedge 1 | 1.12 Wedges 2-5 | 2. See also

The Pentagon Renovation Program or PENREN was a long-term project by the United States Department of Defense to perform a complete slab-to-slab renovation of The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. The program began in the 1990s, and was completed in June 2011.

The Defense Authorization Act of 1991 transferred control of the Pentagon Reservation from the General Services Administration to the Department of Defense, and established the Pentagon Reservation Maintenance Revolving Fund, designed to fund Pentagon renovations. This move enabled the Secretary of Defense to determine rent rates for Pentagon tenants to help fund the renovation.

Cross-referencing more info on that at 4um Title: Suspect AMEC, ... did renovations to Pentagon, WTC b.7 | + Post #7 excerpt:

Zakheim had evidently served in a variety of DoD positions going back to the time of former President Reagan. Long story short, $7 trillion in "adjustments" were reportedly made to the Pentagon's financial ledgers in 1999 during the Clinton administration [Note: SECDEF William S. Cohen, Comptroller William J. Lynn], to make the books add up and that's when the receipts for $2.3 trillion couldn't be found. Half a trillion dollars of it was just to make adjustments to earlier adjustments -- like slippery "balancing acts". Ref. YouTube: 9/11 Jewish State Foreknowledge & 'The Dancing Israelis' -- two articles [Defense Daily and Associated Press] starting at the 28:10 mark.

Edited to add links, date info, excerpts and 3 bracketed notes + formatting and comment paragraph 1.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-05   18:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: GreyLmist (#81)

9/10/2001

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2015-02-05   20:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Hmmmmm (#82) (Edited)

9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon [3 minute YouTube]

Uploaded on Oct 25, 2006

Pentagon admits $2.3 Trillion missing and Rumsfeld calls it a matter of "life and death."

Reference: Clinton's 1st SECDEF, Leslie Aspin, Jr. - Criticism and final days in office

General Powell asked Aspin to approve the request of the U.S. commander in Somalia for tanks, armored vehicles and AC-130 Spectre gunships for his forces. Aspin turned down the request. Shortly thereafter Aidid's forces in Mogadishu killed 18 U.S. soldiers and wounded more than 75 in attacks that also resulted in the shooting down of two U.S. helicopters and the capture of one pilot (see the Battle of Mogadishu). In the face of severe congressional criticism, Aspin admitted that in view of what had happened he had made a mistake, [...] Several members of Congress called on Clinton to ask for Aspin's resignation. On 15 December 1993 President Clinton announced Aspin's resignation,

Couldn't find enough shipping expense money for Gen. Powell's request? Seems so but why?

Thanks for posting that full CBS News report, Hmmmmm. This is a link I found through 911blogger.com for a 2013 audio interview of the former Pentagon accountant, Jim Minnery [at 1:16 in the video above], and a truthout.org investigative journalist, Dina Rasor [author of "Betraying Our Troops: The Destructive Results of Privatizing War"]. His interview runs until 22:21 [became a whistleblower in 1997 - Clinton admin, calls Presidents prisoners of special interests, says U.S. government can't produce auditable financial statements if the the Pentagon can't, etc.] and hers runs through 49:06 [whistleblower lawsuits - quitam.com, mercenary war profiteers, etc.]

http://www.barryshainbaum.com/Jan_13_2013.m3u

Additional info: List of countries by military expenditures - US spends the most money by far but less as % of GDP than others.

Edited grammar, link path and to add text.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-06   0:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: All (#83) (Edited)

9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon [3 minute YouTube, full CBS News report]

Cross-referencing the 1 hour 47 minute YouTube video: Ken O'Keefe - The Analysis of 9/11 at Post #16 of 4um Title: Chris Bollyn: Israel behind the 9-11 attacks-- and Iraq wars

Re: SECDEF Donald Rumsfeld, Comptroller/acting internal auditor Dov Zakheim and the Accounting malpractice/bookkeeping system-upgrade issues of the 2.3 Pentagon trillions in transactions that had gone missing during Clinton's admin circa SECDEF William Cohen, Comptroller William Lynn

At 59:49-1:01:19 in the Ken O'Keefe video, Rumsfeld says that the money wasn't lost. The trouble was with tracking it through the complexity of the system. What he doesn't mention is the compounded shoddy-tracking troubles and mega- disarray due to the 7 trillion in adjustments and adjustments to adjustments of the financial records during the Cohen/Lynne period there, which was reported by the Associated Press in March 2000 of the Clinton years. Excerpt from another thread, posted also at #81 above, with bracketed publication-date notations and video timestamp link:

$7 trillion in "adjustments" were reportedly made to the Pentagon's financial ledgers in 1999 during the Clinton administration [Note: SECDEF William S. Cohen, Comptroller William J. Lynn], to make the books add up and that's when the receipts for $2.3 trillion couldn't be found. Half a trillion dollars of it was just to make adjustments to earlier adjustments -- like slippery "balancing acts". Ref. YouTube: 9/11 Jewish State Foreknowledge & 'The Dancing Israelis' -- two articles [Defense Daily 2/14/01 and Associated Press 3/3/00] starting at the [28:10-29:26] mark.

At 22:23-23:10 of that video, a different Cohen, reported to be a Brooklyn businessman, and an Israeli associate with familial U.S. Department of Defense contract-holdings are noted in the news as connected to money issues among the 16 indictments of Bernard Kerik, the former New York City Police Commissioner at the time of 9/11.

Edited quote section.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-13   6:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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