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Published: Feb 22, 2015
Author: Don Harkins
Post Date: 2015-02-22 05:14:25 by Neo TryingtoWarnYou
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By A. True Ott, PhD Nearly a decade ago, a dear friend and colleague of mine named Don Harkins authored a wonderfully thought-provoking piece entitled “Slavery and the eight veils. Prior to Harkins’ untimely death, we discussed this “Eight-veils theory” for literally hours together – and in the end, Don asked me to write a piece about this for his newspaper, “The Idaho Observer.” He did this, because I had shared much of my research with Don, and we together came to the conclusion that in reality, there were actually NINE veils placed on the human soul (i.e. intelligence), and that spiritual progression and thus a full knowledge of TRUTH would require the piercing of these Nine Veils. I joked with Don that this topic would take an entire edition of The Idaho Observer, and then it would only scratch the surface. That was one of Don’s editorial talents – taking a complex story and compressing it to a more readable format. In memory of Don Harkins, here is the writing we discussed, in as compressed a format as possible. WHY NINE VEILS INSTEAD OF EIGHT (1 x 8) + 1= 9 (12 x 8) + 2 = 98 (123 x 8) + 3 = 987 (1234 x 8) + 4 = 9876 (12345 x 8) + 5 = 98765 (123456 x 8) + 6 = 987654 (1234567 x 8) + 7 = 9876543 (12345678 x 8) + 8 = 98765432 (123456789 x 8) + 9 = 987654321 Amazing, isn’t it? I find it very interesting, furthermore, that all of the great philosophers in history such as Archimedes, Copernicus, Socrates and DaVinci all were mathematicians first and foremost. I submit that everything from biblical prophecy to DNA strands are built and based on quite simple mathematical formulas and patterns – but I am getting ahead of the story, for understanding the role of mathematics is in itself one of the nine hidden veils. Consider also the so-called “mystery schools” of antiquity. In shadowy temples in Sumer and Babylon – the Kabala showed the way to the ultimate “Holy of Holies” – the re-veil-a-tions (revelation, i.e. the parting of the veils) of life, the creation, of God and when embraced in honor and truth, the very Origins of Man. This involved systematically piercing and embracing 9 levels of understanding or “Truth Plateaus” before finally entering “Nirvana” (or the ultimate unity with God) as depicted in modern “tracing boards”. Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways. Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space. This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic. Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.” WHY CAN’T PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH? “Over the last several years I have evolved and discarded several theories in an attempt to explain why it is that most people cannot see truth — even when it smacks them in the face. Those of us who can see “the conspiracy” have participated in countless conversations amongst ourselves that address the frustration of most peoples´ inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which we use to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. The most common explanation to be arrived at is that most people just “don´t want to see” what is really going on. Extremely evil men and women who make up the world´s power-elite have cleverly cultivated a virtual pasture so grass green that few people seldom, if ever, bother to look up from where they are grazing long enough to notice the brightly colored tags stapled to their ears. The same people who cannot see their enslavement for the pasture grass have a tendency to view as insane “conspiracy theorists” those of us who can see the past the farm and into the parlor of his feudal lordship´s castle. Finally, I understand why. It´s not that those who don´t see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don´t want to see it” — they simply can´t see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view. All human endeavors are a filtration process. Sports are one of the best examples. We play specific sports until we get kicked off the playground. The pro athletes we pay big bucks to watch just never got kicked off the playground. Where millions of kids play little league each spring, they are filtered out until there are about 50 guys who go to the World Series in October. Behind the first veil: There are over 7 billion people on the planet. Most of them live and die without having seriously contemplated anything other than what it takes to keep their lives together. Ninety percent of all humanity will live and die without having pierced the first veil.” Indeed it can be said that less than 1% of the world’s 7 billion humans ever pierce all nine veils, and it would appear that even this small minority is ever-shrinking. In order to keep the “virtual pasture” green, the global elite also successfully bribe many who have pierced multiple veils, in order to misdirect others who may be approaching truth in many areas. I call this simply intellectual prostitution – selling the birthright of Universal Truth for a worthless mess of pottage. The gilded glitz of wealth, fame and social elevation have seduced many a gifted intellectual. With full credit given to Don Harkins, here now are the newly updated “Nine Veils”. The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, become active and develop an opinion. Our opinions will be shaped by the physical world around us; we will have been “conditioned” from our days in public education to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other “experts” are the primary voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil. The second veil: Ten percent of us will also pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil. The third veil: Ten percent of those who pierce the second veil, will eventually pierce the third veil to conclusively find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the entire world´s economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil. The fourth veil: Ten percent will then pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry, and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil. The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the very thoughts and even the very actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed. As in the days of Noah, this technology is even creating synthetic life forms, as man seeks to displace God. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil. The sixth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the sixth veil where we learn the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real indeed and are in reality the actual controlling forces behind the secret societies uncovered in the fourth veil. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil. The seventh veil: Ten Percent will progress to pierce the 7th veil where the incredible world of fractal geometry and the universal law of numbers will be fully understood and embraced. The creative force of the entire universe will be shown to be linked to numerical code formulas and sequences, and all “mysteries” including the very fabric of time, space, parallel universes, and access therein is unlocked. Those whose intellects allow them to pierce the seventh veil often succumb to the lure and promise of massive wealth offered by the ruling elite, and thus over ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the eighth veil. The eighth veil: Piercing the eighth veil reveals God and the pure energy known as LOVE that is the pure life force in all living things – which are one and the same. Deep-seated Humility is needed in order to ever pierce this veil. The ninth veil: Piercing the ninth veil means perfecting the pure energy known as love and thereby becoming truly one with God and His/Her formulations. By perfecting this pure energy, one then fully embraces charity and therein gains full understanding of the universal plan of sacrifice, death, and redemption; life itself then becomes complete and one truly comes full circle and looks at the world through the eyes of an innocent child, yet with the deepest wisdom born of pure LOVE from the eighth veil. Consider this: If this theory is correct, there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have successfully pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as dangerously insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people. Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can’t, the more insane he appears to them. This truth is self-evident. Moreover, institutions such as the venerable “Southern Poverty Law Center” are formed and financed by the ruling elite to effectively label many such awakened individuals “hate-mongers” and “terrorists”. OUR ENEMY, THE STATE Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite few. It is common also, for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce. Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of “Our Enemy, the State” (1935), explained what happens to those who find and embrace the final two veils: “What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer.” Conclusions The purpose of this essay is threefold: 2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the beginning and; 3. Show people that the greatest adventure of our life is behind the next veil because that is just one less veil between ourselves and God A.K.A. ‘The Highest Vibration” SOURCE with thanks Francisco Valero Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/40556352568/permalink/10152736736912569/ The 9 Veils Placed On Every Human Soul
Any dedicated seeker of truth eventually stumbles upon the incredible symmetry and structure of mathematics, which is especially true in fractal geometry involving the integers 1-9. For a most basic example, just take a look at these nine equations:
This question is best answered by Don Harkins’ wise words written in 2001:
Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send untold millions of first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder — their combined stations in life are simply to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security and are worth dying for.
As Don Harkins has written: “And so now we know that it´s not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, “they don´t want to see” the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply “can´t see” it as surely as I cannot see what´s on the other side of a closed curtain.”
1. To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity;
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Dude, math quiz's on a sunday morning is why you get very little replies on 4um. But seriously, I watch most of the vids you post. Try joining the conversation sometime. Some of us would probably enjoy engaging you.
I generally click on your posts and occasionally post a comment when moved to do so. But for the majority of the active contributers here, the subject matter of your posts isn't new news. We've been hashing it out for a while now. When one preaches to the choir, one should expect more nods of agreement rather than an active point-counterpoint session. OUR ENEMY, THE STATE Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send untold millions of first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder — their combined stations in life are simply to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security and are worth dying for. Thanks... That much beloved world thinker, Ayn Rand, put the above in more direct terms... "The world masses are but mere lice, with but little right to life".
When one preaches to the choir, one should expect more nods of agreement rather than an active point-counterpoint session. Yeah, agree. As well, time is a precious resource, many of the videos that you (Neo) post are long, and even if they're only 20 minutes they still require time. Having watched a number, most are merely different angles and tacks on the same topics. People don't have time for that. If I'm going to watch a video, and I don't mind watching a 2 or 3 hour video, but it's going to be something educational where I learn something new. The reason why this forum is so small, apart from the establishment lurkers keeping tabs, is exactly because so precious few people understand things at these levels. I'll address one general group, so-called christians. You'll hear sermons and lectures about how the world is a spiritual battle in churches and "christian" books all around the country, and people that read and hear those will nod in full agreement. But when you approach them to put some proverbial brass tacks behind those statements they look at you like you're nuts and if that couldn't possibly be happening as such. So how can people claim to believe in a spiritual war when they completely ignore and moreover dismiss all of the evidence provided for spiritual realms and attacks on them as so-called believers? There is only one answer, they seem to believe that this spiritual battle cannot in any way be understood, which is clearly false, it's all around us. And as I was educated upon coming here, Judeo-Christian is a term used to coopt Christianity, which is in reality worlds apart from Talmudic Judaism and the New Testament Scriptures make this perfectly, perfectly, clear. But just as with the fools to whom God gave King Saul, so too, here today in America, fools posing as christians demand and insist on politicizing christianity. The second that happens is the moment that they are spiritually lost. Christ had absolutely no association with politics, spoke against it as being irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, denounced any then current and implicity any future physical reign of any sort whatsoever on this earth. Yet, the Scofield sect of formalized christianity is the predominant driving force in "christian" politics today, and unfortunately it is aligned with the wrong side in that spiritual war. So in getting back to my original point, most people want a cause, a team if you will, to be on and root for. This is why we have wars. We convince ourselves that we're right. Take today, we all know that Islam has major issues, but does that give Christians the right to go an obliterate, largely randomly, millions of people globally in the name of Christ? Frankly, that notion is as anti-Christ-ian as it gets, yet, that is exactly what is happening today. Forget getting down to the how and why of it all, if they cannot get past their personal jackass'd cemented viewpoints, they clearly are not open to the truth. As the cliched statement from A Few Good Men ... goes, [They] can't handle the truth Many people are simply not intelligent enough to process certain information. One good example there is that to the average politically oriented American, things are boolean in nature, either "good" or "bad." So everything muslim is bad, but everything American, which by default is "christian" and "God's nation," completely contrary to the evidence mind you, and yet these people cannot figure out why nary a single muslim in this country has gone out and mass killed people, but for some reason the majority of the millions of women and children, most of whom were merely concerned with the same daily living challenges that we are, were all intent on finding their way over here to blow us all up. I'm sorry, but what sort of a moron actually believes some idiotic thing like that. That's merely one example of a mass failure of people to be able to parse information for purposes of dissecting it to get to the core truth. I realize that there's an overlap with the original post, just sayin' and putting some reality to the theory.
Well thought out, well written, tainted by the above.
I'm sorry Cyni, I stand by that. Only a fool or a moron would look at the US today and assume that it's been destroyed over the years by Islam or muslims, who've barely had any influence in our internal politics at all. Why not just claim that martians are responsible. Honestly, it's about the same. Islam has barely an influence in this country, even today with Mr. Islam puppet in office. The damage is and continues to be done by their main enemy over there in the ME, and one that has coopted our true Christian culture, or at least whatever of it there ever was, and destroyed it much as they've destroyed many other nations similarly over the centuries. That politically powerful political group over here wields more influence than any other and has for decades. People in this country talk as if they have to live in downtown Mecca. If people would just mind their own f'ing business here few if any of these global issues would even exist. People in this country are so blinded by the dumbest, most usless, most fleeting crap, both mental and physical, that it's beyond the sane imagination at times.
Then again, we are a nation chock full of fools and many people are denser than lead.
Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um. I really thought that this red-herring was perfectly transparent to just about everyone here.
I was taught this way... "There is not a person alive, but what can do something I cannot do, or knows something I do not know".
That is understandable. I accept anyone on a one on one basis. Accepting or denying any group is fool hardy.
Why not just claim that martians are responsible. Honestly, it's about the same. Islam has barely an influence in this country, even today with Mr. Islam puppet in office. The damage is and continues to be done by their main enemy over there in the ME, and one that has coopted our true Christian culture, or at least whatever of it there ever was, and destroyed it much as they've destroyed many other nations similarly over the centuries. That politically powerful political group over here wields more influence than any other and has for decades. I couldn't agree more, Katniss. I am more convinced than ever about who is the real ENEMY after having seen Chris Bollyn's extremely well researched Solving 9/11 presentation. Now buttressing his research, imo, watch this riveting 36 mins video. I believe you will find it fascinating. Does this Seven Year Cycle of Economic Crashes Predict the Date of the Global Financial Collapse? http://sgtreport.com/2015/02/doe...lobal-financial-collapse/ Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
agreed again
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
I accept anyone on a one on one basis. Accepting or denying any group is fool hardy. well said! Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
I guess you may be referring to me since some of my posts seem to "get up your craw" when I ever say anything negative about Obama and his Muslim Brotherhood or the Satanic cult that goes by the name ISIS. But I don't, and never have, said that ALL muslims are guilty of these crimes against humanity. I know that most people, no matter what group they belong to, simply want to be left alone to live their lives and that there are good and bad in all groups. But if my posts upset you so much, which seems to be the case at times, you have a couple of options. One would be to put me on your filter and then you wouldn't see them or you could just scroll on by. Either way, it's all good. Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
Not at all JD, I thought that I made that clear when I stated that I realized that you understood that. You're overreacting. Your post just got me on the track of this nationwide Islamophobia, and a phobia it truly is. I mean seriously, what political influences does Islam or muslims have in this country that render it influential? If that were even remotely the case then we wouldn't have this taboo on criticizing the group(s) that have done the real damage to this country. All that's in the "news" right now, and not that I watch it, but it's damn near impossible to avoid in public establishments anymore (and I all but refuse to patronize establishments that have any of the so-called "news" networks on in their establishments), is this damnable nuke the entire muslim world crap over what, one beheading? One man being set on fire? (FF/not real?) In the meantime, isn't that the goal, eradicate muslims? So what TF is our braindead news addicted ship of fools doing bitching about one muslim being burned by another in Chicago? Oh wait, that's right, it wasn't in Chicago, or NY, or LA, it was half way around the fucking world. It's literally unbelieveable the hatred being spawned by the moral idiocy and filth that permeates our mainstream culture via an eletronic mechanism, the TV, that seems to have replaced most Americans brains and certainly displaced their critical thinking skills, whatever there were of them. And as the poster person for it is a virtual Jesus sitting on top of an M1-Abrahms tank obliterating everyone. I enjoy your posts, even if there's a hint over overemphasis on the present muslim occupying the White House. But think about that too, we here all know that the Puppet in Chief is just that, a puppet, so then why are we all wrapped around the axle over a puppet's personal philosophy? Seriously, think about that. As they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, an age-old adage, no?
Thank you, Katniss. Having lived cheek by jowl with said folks for years, I'm crystal clear on the regressive nature of the civilization they live in. You might ask, "Regressive by what yardstick?" I'd suggest by the measure of the other four and a half billion people on this planet who are not Muslim and who have no intention of submitting to Islam. Most of us have seen the results of the creeping extremism that's taken hold where Islam has the most sway and where religion and the legal system are one. A few years ago for example, a girls' school caught fire in Saudi and the security guys would not unlock a fire door to let some of the girls escape. They refused to do so because the girls were not properly covered. Several students perished as a result. Things weren't always this way. In the 1940s, there were still movie theaters in Dammam, and there was even modest wine production in some upland areas of Saudi. The puritanism we see today was in some measure in abeyance. It was the Brits and the Yanks who supported the most regressive tendencies in this part of the world and we've done a lot overtly and covertly to see that the most conservative forces there dominate all others. But you are right. None of this need really affect us at all except insofar as we stick our noses into affairs that are none of our business or insofar as we import millions of Muslims into Western countries which heretofore have hosted such people in very small numbers. In either case we are looking for trouble. And looking for trouble is what we do best. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
It's impossible to ignore the rich diversity Muslim culture has offered Europe. The EU is a sterling example of inclusion. Urp. And now it comes to Dearborn. Having lived among the black cloaked ones in NJ, I can tell you that the American melting pot thingie is something they intentionally ignore, and why a strong willed American women would choose to ignore this Islamic Sharia aberration is beyond me.
Naw ... it could take place on one of your local shopping trips: The nearly 77-minute video, released online, focused mostly on the conflict between Kenya and Somalia and the deadly attack in 2013 at the Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya. Al-Shabab has claimed responsibility for the Westgate attack, in which more than 60 people died. At the end of the video, an unidentified man dressed in camouflage, with his face covered, calls for similar attacks at the Mall of America and elsewhere. He said, "What would be the implications of such an attack? One could only imagine. And all it takes is a man with firm determination ..." Mall of America released a statement in response to the video: A spokesman for the FBI did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
And looking for trouble is what we do best. That's exactly the case. However, I will say, that I've known quite a few muslims over the years, and have some great ones as neighbors. The guy's a former Palestinean with all of his family still there unable to leave, some dead, who think that Hamas (et al) are nuts, but also view them over there as the political minority that they are. They think that they're nuts just like we might think that the KKK or some other groups here are over the top too. How would we feel if the world defined us by cross-burning and dragging black people around behind cars? Or how would we feel if the modern image of America was the outright brutal and satanic slaughter of American Indians? Let's also not define an entire region over one incident at a school. Or should the world define us by our actions in WACO and consider you, me, and every other American individual as being nuts and worthy of eradication? See where I'm going? Either way, we both know why we're in the state we're in in this country and who, which socio-political group, has taken the lead in destroying our American Christian heritage. It was the same one that destroyed it in late-19th and early-20th century Germany. So not seeing it that way is like blaming the manufacturers of snow shovels for the nation's recent bouts with this absurdly cold weather.
Again JT, I'm no apologist for Islam, but allow me to ask, how many terrorist actions have occurred in Michigan over oh, say the last decade even in or emanating from that muslim rich area? I mean after all, by all rights of rationality based on what we're taught, shouldn't it be a highly significant number? In the meantime, I'm really really struggling here to see the difference between muslim atrocities and atrocities committed by a so-called christian nation, and atrocities that put anything we hear about these relatively limited ones to shame statistically speaking. Again, let's no overemphasize it. Our truly Christian culture has been destroyed, razed from the ground up. You're not even a Christian morally speaking, so in light of that, I am curious how without any moral standard what the basis is for your dissention, generally speaking. I mean without a moral basis, there is no right/wrong, correct? Either way, this notion that Islam is going to destroy something that does not exist anymore is a ridiculous and silly argument. If it does exist still in this country, then as I said before, its icon is a virtual Jesus sitting on top of an A1-Abrahms tank obliterating everyone while shouting "love your enemy" from the tank's pulpit. Honestly, we're very close to seriously questioning which is better.
And looking for trouble is what we do best. Good post. If the douchebags in government weren't constantly fomenting and agitating in order to gin up another war for the benefit of the bankers, the MIC and their own personal stock holdings, and mind their own business there would be far less trouble in the world. And if/when the people in the Middle East got tired of the brutal thugs beheading and burning people alive I suspect they could take care of that problem. Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
Who was it that saw to it that said element was imported into this country (and into Europe) in unprecedented haste and numbers in our lifetimes? Did I miss something? Did millions of Americans write their elected representatives to say, "Please, please Senator, open the floodgates of immigration to millions of people from Muslim countries!" Did I miss out on that political phenomenon, or was there something else at work? "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
IMO the controversy has been created and fostered by ppl above our pay grade.
They are quick to reject barbaric acts by Islam, while simultaneously pushing
forward crimes seemingly committed by Christians; the bombing of abortion
clinics, and other assorted “hate” crimes. Take this FWIW as I haven’t an
organized religious bone in my body.
You've missed nothing and what you're seeing is the intentional Balkanization of America. See Prof. MacDonald's The Culture of Critique, specifically his chapter in immigration, for a clear picture .
Or should the world define us by our actions in WACO and consider you, me, and every other American individual as being nuts and worthy of eradication? Absolutely not. Let's not define whole peoples by the actions of a few. One of my best friends is a Turkish guy. He had to leave his country because of political harassment. He's a Muslim, but his business ventures were not considered politically or religiously correct by those currently in power. In some ways it was not safe for him to continue living over there. He's since become an American citizen. I've known lots of great people over there and over here that are/were Muslim. My point about the burning school building that the girls died in is that we should be cognizant that we very much support regimes where discrimination, repression and sectarian domination are realities today. One does not have to go far to find example of excess or barbarities that take place under Sharia law in those places as we speak. No, I'd hate to be judged as an American by the example of other Americans who drag a guy in chains to his death behind a pickup truck because he is black. I'd hate to be judged that way, but I am. I'd also hate to be judged by the kind of retrograde regimes and dictatorships we've sponsored around the world, but lots of folks do. And there you are. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Thanks for the title, JT. I will look into it. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
With all of the muslims living within the US why do you think that this has not happened thus far? Because we're shattering, I mean world-class shattering, the odds of this happening here given what we're taught about it all. I mean the odds of being beaten to death, while completely innocent, are astronomically higher than the odds of being burned to death by a muslim. Astronomically!! As in something's not lining up with mainstream teachings and education here. I mean allow me to ask, where on your list of your fears of being killed does an attack by a muslim rank? ... here in America I mean, not if you walk the streets of Syria. I'm thousands if not tens of thousands if times more worried about my own "christian government" doing that to me, or trying to send me to some camp for refusing to pay some medical insurance company $20K/year, more than most mortgages, for something that I don't need, don't want, and will rarely if ever benefit from. Americans, generally speaking and myself included years ago prior to all of the new media, are fearful of the most unlikely things.
Muslims have never come close to anything on the scale of this.
Chapter 7, pg 240.
Thanks. You beat me to it!
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
This was a beaut!
"If just a handful of mujahideen fighters could bring Kenya to a complete stand-still for nearly a week, then imagine what a dedicated mujahideen in the West could do to the American or Jewish-owned shopping centers across the world," the man said. "What if such an attack was to occur in the Mall of America in Minnesota? Or the West Edmonton Mall in Canada? Or in London's Oxford Street?" He said, "What would be the implications of such an attack? One could only imagine. And all it takes is a man with firm determination ..." BTW, that's a fantastic example, how easy would it actually be to do that? Federal buildings have absurd levels of security, but anyone can still walk into just about any, if not any outright, shopping mall in America today with a duffle bag full of whatever they want probably with little to no attention. So allow me to ask, in nearly two years, why has this not happened already? Are we really to believe that we think that muslims believe that they're really going to get a bigger bang (pun intended) for their buck by contriving something complex like a school incident? Or by trying to blow up a plane with explosives in his underwear? At some point, and IMO this point was years ago shortly after 9/11, we have to begin asking ourselves, why are these things not happening given that the doors are wide open for it right here in our country? And correspondingly, when they do, why is there always enough evidence to suggest that the skids were greased by ushering someone around all of our complex security procedures by Feds while some kid's having a finger shoved up his ass by some psychotic TSA worker with an IQ less than the kid's underwear size? At some point intelligent reasoning people with sound critical thinking skills begin asking these things. Here's a short two-question quiz? 1. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America in a terrorist incident wrought by a muslim terrorist bent on killing Americans? Rank you answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home. 2. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America by anyone but a muslim extremist/terrorist, particularly by elements of the establishment. Again, rank your answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home. Get the point?
Nothing to do with Islam, nothing to do with Christianity, nothing to do with European-on-European violence. (And still nowhere near the scale of German city destruction during WWII.)
I know you don't, and I respect you for coming clean on that just to let you know. Your right about perceptions being fostered by people above our pay grade, but the old adage, do you believe everything you hear (read, see) certainly applies here. I mean who cares what they foster, if we, as independently thinking individuals via critical thinking and reasoning to ourselves either validate or dismiss what we hear, and dismiss it as we should, it would have no control over us. The problem is that people simply don't want to know. They're too lazy to dismiss the current paradigm consisting of satanic fantasies and to intellectually form another paradigm because it takes knowledge (that disrupts their entertainment regimen), time (same there), and mental effort (that they're too lazy to expend) in order to do so.
Allow me to ask you a question, two questions in fact. First, explain for me the differences between that school and WACO? Second, explain to me, in quite a bit of detail, the difference between your Turkish friend and the Weavers? Besides the latter being dead and your friend still alive that is. If you need info on the Weavers, and I doubt that you do, ask Christine.
Certainly not in modern times they haven't. Even on an individual scale, as I just asked randge, I fail to see the difference between that shool incident with the girls in Saudi Arabia and WACO. Until someone can explain the difference, if you ask me WACO was far more heinous, and it was government sponsored, meaning that the rest of the world truly could have tagged all Americans as having supported it and rightfully so. Imagine if the world's media had been promoting that day and night for years, and then OKC, and then our cop killings and beatings, etc. The big difference is that those things never even make the news here much less anywhere else for the most part. Boy, I wonder why, because it's not as if the fox is guarding the henhouse on that one or anything. (sarc) That looks like a very interesting site. It's all about the perceptions, and Americans are so lost without being told what to think by someone else that our media works like the charm that those that run and own it had planned. I have no doubt that they're beyond satisfied with their contrived "news & information" propaganda network(s).
It doesn't look like Islam made much of a dent in the world's population so I doubt that its conquering period slaughtered anything on the scale of Allied bombing during WWII: www.english-online.at/geo...rld-population-growth.htm
That is a great link to the Holocaust, thanx.
The Japanese atrocities, and there are many, can be laid at the feet of a people who thought a living man was a god. Not a good combo there. It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.
First, explain for me the differences between that school and WACO? Is it enough to say that both events are emblematic of regimes whose days are numbered? Second, explain to me, in quite a bit of detail, the difference between your Turkish friend and the Weavers? Besides the latter being dead and your friend still alive that is. If you need info on the Weavers, and I doubt that you do, ask Christine. That's an interesting and complex juxtaposition and I'm not sure that I can do it justice in the degree of detail you'd like. I don't want to get too graphic about my friend here, except to say that those who try to sponsor Western culture on a medium to large scale in Turkey can find themselves on the opposite sides of the law as far as local and regional authorities go. I suppose that there are similarities between that situation and the Christian Identity churches that the FedGov was trying to infiltrate by entrapping innocents like Randy Weaver. Plain political harassment. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Yeah, that's interesting. I guess we'll find out soon.
INdeed. Because of that, Japan was the only country to come out of WWII "a winner".
And you see no significant political harassment here? I'm trying to figure out why you view this with such differences. In my mind the only reasons why Americans focus on these things as such is because one is paraded in front of them day and night for weeks if not months while the other is covered up with Americans being too fool to think about it and/or too lazy to take the time to do so prior to running down the hall with their pants and hair on fire while shooting everything that moves. I see no practical difference in those things. With different media coverage America could be the exact same global pariah that these ME nations are. As to WACO and the school, I find equal or comparable tragedy in both. As is usual, Americans think that WACO was some sort of christian criminal policing act when there's nothing further from the truth and are too lazy and therefore willfully ignorant and/or too intellectually incompetent to reason through the transparent nature of it otherwise. An innocent person killed is an innocent person killed. When we start playing God, as we've been doing for decades, particularly given our moral position, or should I say immoral position, then that becomes the only difference, namely how those perceptions are managed and put forth, reinforced, etc. It's funny, I'll bet that if you posted a nationwide poll, or polls, asking these two questions, that the fears would be more in line with #2. 1) How afraid are you of actually being killed by a muslim led terrorist attack in your own nation? 2) How afraid are you of being incarcerated, harmed, or possibly even killed by the government or its henchmen (LE)?
I think you've misread me entirely. Perhaps I haven't expressed my sentiments clearly enough. I am in complete agreement with what you've said here. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
I'll stick with no one knows the time, not even the Son. Too many Hale Bobs to count over the centuries... “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Beats me. DHS claims the BIG issue is all about so-called "patriots." And so, just about anyone goes scott-free except for those wearing a libertarian badge. America is not "shattering." America is "coalescing." Nothing more to the social phenomena that is taking place all around the world. As Hillary Clinton infamously said, "What difference at this point does it make?" If you are beaten, killed, maimed, robbed, harmed, by any group, it really doesn't mean too much to seek comfort about who may have attacked you, does it? What is that? Beats me. Honestly, I have not considered the issue until your question just above. I am more concerned about the US government permitting Muslims from known terro cells to freely migrate to America that may do the damage that you address. We have an evil government that is HELL bent in destroying the fabric of America. The US government is not Christian. It never was. Give an example. Another Katrina?
Thanks for the link, Deasy. Good stuff there.
As a US tax payer, that is the entirety of what you get for your hard earned dollar; it is popularly called: public safety. Full protection of government and employees and none for the little guys/gals on the streets. With a wee bit o' luck, you should feel secure that your government is secure. I have no idea about how criminal minds operate. I can't answer your question. The associative property about terrorist Muslims is going to "stick" forever. T Silly question. Muslims represent no more than 3% of the population in America and that is all because of GWBush and 0bama. Your question is phrased with total ignorance and assumptions. Please pose a "question" worthy of a response. So far, your conjectures and aimless discussion goes into the brink. I am much more worried about US government agents stealing my money called "taxes" or their black-booted thugs kicking down my doors. Still, I have no idea why the US government is involved with importing Muslim nationals from all over the world and re-locating them in my neighbourhood. Do have a clue about the reasons? (3) It doesn't matter about who kills me. The terror is psychological in nature. In all cases, the US government is in command and control. No, I don't.
Skip ALL so called "veils," and PASS GO. Collect your Eternal Life. Like all great lies and propaganda, shards of truth are injected into this narrative. Including Jesus' quote, “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free” is the only "truth" that matters. The first few veils are valid and compelling. Until we get to the inevitable re-definition of "narrow is the road" to get to heaven, which winds up as just another "Tree of Knowledge," a la Adam and Eve. The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications... Caromed off the rail and over a cliff right here. "He's dead, Jim. Do not PASS GO. Go straight to jail (for eternity.) Thanks to the kikes.
I've already put you down on the Shabbos Goy list, JT :)
...and almost every day we get the forwarded e-mail about '12 muslim men/airplane/telephones/kicked off plane/etc. There are many here in the U.S. whose agenda tells us to believe that Muslims would prefer to kill 15 Muslim girls rather than letting them be disgraced by improper clothing. Reminds me of the Kuwaiti girl who testified about the incubator babies thrown onto the hospital floor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v94WsjWKQ3U
"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." Lod - Jake's best pal.
I think this a case of "ignorance is bliss." For all the knowledge of the first 3 or 4 veils, what good does it do us if there's nothing one can do to change it? Evil and greed and power have always been at odds with virtue and God's commandments. What people must accept: This world is steeped in darkness. Salvation is gained not through "knowledge." ???? Thread subject: The 9 Veils Placed On Every Human Soul There's plenty of meat on this bone. Just sayin'. Yes it is, if that knowledge is that of what is right and what isn't. Following the path of righteousness includes not harming any creature, and actually living the "Golden Rule". The path of righteousness is not that of SELF-righteousness, but doing that which is RIGHT vs WRONG. I suppose you can set the "line in the sand" for the difference between RIGHT vs. WRONG. Care to comment?
Ok. NOW I see how and where this thread went off the rails. Accepting or denying any group is fool hardy. That may depend on how large a "group" it is. How large a "group" are Muslims? Why blame any one group for following the Koran TO A TEE? Afterall, it's a "Religion of Peace." Even Dubya Bush said so. So did Barr-O. Wouldn't want become paranoid (cells) over any silly Sharia Law (coercion) or goofy Caliphate (conversion-by-the-sword) plans. It's pretty simple. Evaluate the Golden Rule, if what you are about to do follows it, then it's the right thing to do, and if it doesn't follow it, then it's the wrong thing. True. But once that 3% becomes 10%, Muslim nests become huge problems, don't they? Exhibit "A-Z": Europe. I have no idea why the US government is involved with importing Muslim nationals from all over the world and re-locating them in my neighbourhood. Do have a clue about the reasons? To cause chaos. To divide and conquer. To destroy America s heritage and traditions. To destroy America's identity. The re-locating of unskilled Third World Muslims to places like Minnesota and Maine is...beyond bizarre, and counter-intuitive. Instead of preserving the security of this nation, this unauthorized Big Goob airlift accomplished nothing more than destabilizing the security and stability of your town, your neighborhood, our nation. The terror is psychological in nature. In all cases, the US government is in command and control. Exactly the case and tactic. Lib, Have you noticed that the issue with "Muslims" only started when the US became involved with extracting oil from the Middle East, and funding Israeli aggression against its neighbors? Prior to WWII and the boom of the oil industry, how many acts of terror were launched by Muslims against civilians in western nations? You know what they say about ppl who keep lists :) Somehow you took my addition of the Rape of Nanking as a challenge to your post despite evoking WWII without qualification. Did you want to discuss the European theater alone and further limit that to the actions of the allies? Ground rules please.
The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications... Caromed off the rail and over a cliff right here. I agree. Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
I've noticed obvious brush backs by a particular defensive poster IN THE NAME OF ISLAM are rift. I don't think such ham-fisted tactics works well at this forum. Maybe 4um has a Muslim poster, eh? Could explain a lot. Yes, and you are 100% right about 0buma, the Muzzie bro-hood and ISIS. Apparently you're one of and those parrots "who would slander Islam." I don't, and never have, said that ALL muslims are guilty of these crimes against humanity. I know that most people, no matter what group they belong to, simply want to be left alone to live their lives and that there are good and bad in all groups. You qualified your opinion concisely. Some people read ONLY what they want. MSNBC agenda-driven propagandists and apologists are special -- they never have to say they're sorry. Games and one-track red herring poseurs -- haven't the time or inclination to entertain them. A rather cryptic post, FormerLurker. The Golden Rule is about social concepts and considerations. It is about etiquette. It has little to do with survival and so ... where is your line in the sand about RIGHT vs. WRONG when the issue is about survival as opposed to crumppets and tea at snack time with social graces?
Since you have a computer and appear somewhat literate and capable; please take a peek around the Internet to answer your own question. There are plenty of instances about Muslim barbarism throughout history.
You're wrong. The Golden Rule is about treating other creatures as you would have yourself treated by others. There's nothing complex there, and it has little to do with etiquette. In other words, would you like to see your life and your hopes extinguished by others who think they have the right to do so? Same goes for harming innocent creatures who are simply trying to live their lives, human or not. Ok, I just read about that. Not saying there haven't been criminals and thugs across time, there always have been, but they are not isolated to any specific religion.
Explain the Golden Rule.
BTW, what religion was Christopher Columbus? I know the answer and I'm sure you do as well. That is what people mean by "faux Christians", those who wear the label on their sleeves, but act nothing at all as what would be truly a Christian.
Muslims were the GREATEST human slave traders of all mankind's history.
I already did. Are you unfamiliar with English? And I suppose Christians and Jews never did any such thing, right? Nor did Rome and Egypt have their share either, correct? Some people might be familiar with the following phrase... "So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." NeoTryingtoWarnYou: As to your original query, the reason that you may not be getting the response to your posts that you expect has to do with your typical choice of topic. Most posters here have a mature and pretty much settled world view with regard to the kind of existential, spiritual, religious topics you often select as subjects of your posts. Posters that visit this forum a lot vary widely in their views of those "existential, spiritual, religious topics" and lots of us are a little older now, have seen and participated in all the flame wars that topics like that can engender. Many no longer have the stomach for that kind of encounter. Right now what interests people here most is the "what's what" and "who's who" of current events. (As you see in the replies in this thread.) Many are more concerned about what kind of world their kids and grandkids will live in than what sort of system will bring them salvation. As far as the latter question goes, most posters here have already found a satisfactory personal answer. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Yeah, I must've misread you then. Sorry 'bout that.
Lol... CHECKMATE. Too many Hale Bobs to count over the centuries... Well, a financial collapse, and even ruin of America, doesn't necessarily mean the end. I realize that a good many people in our country seem to think that the US is the fulcrum of Christian morality, but it's nothing more than a Sodom/Gomorrah right now.
Ground rules please. Microwave. Popcorn. Chair. 5-4-3... Giddy-up. Correct. The "end of Amerika" and the end of the world are likely two separate events. But, who except the Father knows? I won't waste my time speculating about the unknowable. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking we bumped Neoconned Hell Warmer's thread a few too many times. He's going to take it as a compliment.
The shattering comment was not re: the country, you missed the context of that. I would argue that it's coalescing though, I'd suggest that it's only coalescing when it comes to compliance with government mandates. The people themselves are diffracting. There's hardly any unity anymore. You seem to have completely missed the entire context of what I was communicating. This is exactly what I'm talking about and you come across as if you are young, are you young, say 35 or younger? Otherwise you should know better. The fabric of this country is already destroyed. Anyone that does not have an establishment funded job, which includes a good chunk of the "private" sector too, knows this, full well. It is destroyed, it's gone, long gone, yet Islam/muslims had little if anything to do with it. A simple awareness of 20th century history makes this beyond clear. Unfortunately due to the propagandized public school education that most people get these days, true history is not taught. What is taught about 20th century history is missing the most key pieces and otherwise has little resemblance to reality except superficially. It had a whole lot more Christian influence the further back we go. The world in general is not Christian, Jesus made this clear, despite the insistences of many so-called christian leaders. Either way, it is anti-Christ-ian today. It was not always anti-Christian to be sure. Americans have an irrational fear of muslim terrorism in this country. Why? Purely because of a lie, a charade, called 911. Otherwise I just laid it all out, read it again, this is a waste of time having to write this all twice. Bottom line is that no one in this country is threatened by a muslim extremist terrorist. AGAIN, the odds of being beaten, killed, or other by our own LE in this country is hundreds of time, if not thousands, greater than any possibility of being harmed by a muslim terrorist. Any such fears are irrational and into the psychotically driven national paranoia. But we're all about groupthink in this country. i.e., if 100M people believe it then it can't be wrong. It's tragic!
You do realize that was another lie that we've been fed, right? As to muslim men being kicked off of planes, I'm not aware of these e-mails, but simply because they've been kicked off does not mean that they meant harm. There are lots of people on the no-fly list that wouldn't hurt anyone, some for political reasons only. In essence that's meaningless.
But, who except the Father knows? I won't waste my time speculating about the unknowable. Well, they may or may not be. I'd guess that if we escalate into nuclear war, that that could very well be right around the time of the end. I'm more looking towards the spiritual state, which is a barren wasteland these days, as a sign of the end.
CHECKMATE. I guess for one who thinks the MOST important lesson from the Gospel is nothing more than a joke about crumpets, I can see why you would be a gullible tool who thinks that Muslims are the ONLY ones who ever GREATELY traded in slaves. If it weren't for so-called "Christians", there would not have been a flood of African slaves whose descendants have overwhelmed our "safety net". BTW brave one, aren't you hiding behind the "filter"? So do you truly feel that the Golden Rule is a joke, something you can ignore because your pastor doesn't mention it much? To you, being a Christian is all about "believing in Jesus" while you're out there killing those damn "muzzies" for him, right? I try to make my points clearly. Thank you. Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
The physical terrorism that those backward/inbred savages perpetrate upon non- muslims in the West is a more immediate threat than the long-term financial/cultural terrorism done by the Red Sea Pedestrians. Islam is Judaisms thuggish little brother and Mossad is NOT behind ALL of the violence.
#2. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)
All Wars Are Bankers' Wars
#3. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)
errorists”.
#4. To: Buzzard (#2)
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But for the majority of the active contributers here, the subject matter of your posts isn't new news. We've been hashing it out for a while now.
#5. To: Katniss (#4)
I'm sorry, but what sort of a moron
#6. To: Cynicom (#5)
#7. To: Cynicom (#5)
#8. To: Cynicom (#5)
#9. To: Katniss (#7)
Then again, we are a nation chock full of fools and many people are denser than lead.
#10. To: Katniss (#8)
Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um.
#11. To: Katniss (#6)
Only a fool or a moron would look at the US today and assume that it's been destroyed over the years by Islam or muslims, who've barely had any influence in our internal politics at all.
#12. To: Katniss (#8)
#13. To: Cynicom (#10)
That is understandable.
#14. To: Katniss (#8)
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Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um. I really thought that this red- herring was perfectly transparent to just about everyone here.
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14)
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#16. To: Katniss (#6)
People in this country talk as if they have to live in downtown Mecca. If people would just mind their own f'ing business here few if any of these global issues would even exist.
#17. To: Katniss (#6)
Only a fool or a moron would look at the US today and assume that it's been destroyed over the years by Islam or muslims
#18. To: Katniss (#15)
In the meantime, isn't that the goal, eradicate muslims? So what TF is our braindead news addicted ship of fools doing bitching about one muslim being burned by another in Chicago? Oh wait, that's right, it wasn't in Chicago, or NY, or LA, it was half way around the fucking world.
A video purportedly released by Somalia-based terror group al-Shabab calls for attacks on the Mall of America and other shopping centers in Canada and England.
"If just a handful of mujahideen fighters could bring Kenya to a complete stand-still for nearly a week, then imagine what a dedicated mujahideen in the West could do to the American or Jewish-owned shopping centers across the world," the man said. "What if such an attack was to occur in the Mall of America in Minnesota? Or the West Edmonton Mall in Canada? Or in London's Oxford Street?"
"Mall of America is aware of a threatening video that was released which included a mention and images of the Mall. We take any potential threat seriously and respond appropriately. We have implemented extra security precautions. Some may be noticeable to guests, and others won't be. We will continue to follow the situation, along with the federal, state and local law enforcement and will remain vigilant as we always do in similar situations."
#19. To: randge (#16)
But you are right. None of this need really affect us at all except insofar as we stick our noses into affairs that are none of our business or insofar as we import millions of Muslims into Western countries which heretofore have hosted such people in very small numbers. In either case we are looking for trouble.
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
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It's impossible to ignore the rich diversity Muslim culture has offered Europe. The EU is a sterling example of inclusion. Urp. And now it comes to Dearborn. Having lived among the black cloaked ones in NJ, I can tell you that the American melting pot thingie is something they intentionally ignore, and why a strong willed American women would choose to ignore this Islamic Sharia aberration is beyond me.
#21. To: randge (#16)
None of this need really affect us at all except insofar as we stick our noses into affairs that are none of our business or insofar as we import millions of Muslims into Western countries which heretofore have hosted such people in very small numbers. In either case we are looking for trouble.
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
In a surprise weekend vote,
#23. To: Katniss (#20)
#24. To: randge (#22)
#25. To: Katniss (#19)
Let's also not define an entire region over one incident at a school.
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
See Prof. MacDonald's The Culture of Critique
#27. To: Pridie Nones (#18)
Naw ... it could take place on one of your local shopping trips:
#28. To: Jethro Tull, Katniss (#23)
They are quick to reject barbaric acts by Islam, while simultaneously pushing forward crimes seemingly committed by Christians; the bombing of abortion clinics, and other assorted “hate” crimes.
#29. To: randge (#26)
www.prometheism.net/library/CultureOfCritique.pdf
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#29)
#31. To: Deasy (#28)
www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm
#32. To: Pridie Nones (#18)
At the end of the video, an unidentified man dressed in camouflage, with his face covered, calls for similar attacks at the Mall of America and elsewhere.
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
IMO the controversy has been created and fostered by ppl above our pay grade. They are quick to reject barbaric acts by Islam, while simultaneously pushing forward crimes seemingly committed by Christians; the bombing of abortion clinics, and other assorted “hate” crimes. Take this FWIW as I haven’t an organized religious bone in my body.
#35. To: randge, All (#25)
My point about the burning school building that the girls died in is that we should be cognizant that we very much support regimes where discrimination, repression and sectarian domination are realities today. One does not have to go far to find example of excess or barbarities that take place under Sharia law in those places as we speak.
#36. To: Deasy (#28)
Muslims have never come close to anything on the scale of this.
#37. To: Katniss (#36)
#38. To: Deasy (#37)
#39. To: Deasy (#33)
Nothing to do with Islam, nothing to do with Christianity, nothing to do with European-on-European violence
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#41. To: christine (#11)
#42. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.
#43. To: randge (#40)
Plain political harassment.
#44. To: Katniss (#43)
As to WACO and the school, I find equal or comparable tragedy in both.
#45. To: Katniss, christine, 4 (#41)
#46. To: Katniss (#27)
With all of the muslims living within the US why do you think that this has not happened thus far?
Because we're shattering, I mean world-class shattering, the odds of this happening here given what we're taught about it all.
I mean the odds of being beaten to death, while completely innocent, are astronomically higher than the odds of being burned to death by a muslim. Astronomically!!
As in something's not lining up with mainstream teachings and education here.
I mean allow me to ask, where on your list of your fears of being killed does an attack by a muslim rank? ... here in America I mean, not if you walk the streets of Syria.
I'm thousands if not tens of thousands if times more worried about my own "christian government" doing that to me, or trying to send me to some camp for refusing to pay some medical insurance company $20K/year, more than most mortgages, for something that I don't need, don't want, and will rarely if ever benefit from.
Americans, generally speaking and myself included years ago prior to all of the new media, are fearful of the most unlikely things.
#47. To: Deasy (#28)
#48. To: Katniss (#32)
Federal buildings have absurd levels of security, but anyone can still walk into just about any, if not any outright, shopping mall in America today with a duffle bag full of whatever they want probably with little to no attention.
So allow me to ask, in nearly two years, why has this not happened already?
Are we really to believe that we think that muslims believe that they're really going to get a bigger bang (pun intended) for their buck by contriving something complex like a school incident? Or by trying to blow up a plane with explosives in his underwear?
At some point, and IMO this point was years ago shortly after 9/11, we have to begin asking ourselves, why are these things not happening given that the doors are wide open for it right here in our country?
And correspondingly, when they do, why is there always enough evidence to suggest that the skids were greased by ushering someone around all of our complex security procedures by Feds while some kid's having a finger shoved up his ass by some psychotic TSA worker with an IQ less than the kid's underwear size?
At some point intelligent reasoning people with sound critical thinking skills begin asking these things.
Here's a short two-question quiz?
1. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America in a terrorist incident wrought by a muslim terrorist bent on killing Americans?
Rank you answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home.
2. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America by anyone but a muslim extremist/terrorist, particularly by elements of the establishment. Again, rank your answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home.
Get the point?
#49. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)
Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways. Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space. This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic. Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.”
#50. To: Pridie Nones (#48)
The associative property about terrorist Muslims is going to "stick" forever. T
#51. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.
#52. To: Katniss (#43)
#53. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)
It´s not that those who don´t see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don´t want to see it” — they simply can´t see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.
#54. To: Deasy (#50)
Thanks to the kikes.
#55. To: Buzzard, Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#2)
When one preaches to the choir, one should expect more nods of agreement rather than an active point-counterpoint session.
#56. To: Liberator (#53)
Salvation is gained not through "knowledge."
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#57. To: FormerLurker (#56)
The path of righteousness is not that of SELF-righteousness, but doing that which is RIGHT vs WRONG.
#58. To: Cynicom (#10)
(another poster) "Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um."
#59. To: Pridie Nones (#57)
I suppose you can set the "line in the sand" for the difference between RIGHT vs. WRONG. Care to comment?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#60. To: Pridie Nones (#48)
Muslims represent no more than 3% of the population in America and that is all because of GWBush and 0bama.
#61. To: Liberator (#60)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#62. To: Deasy (#51)
I've already put you down on the Shabbos Goy list, JT :)
#63. To: Liberator (#49)
The first few veils are valid and compelling. Until we get to the inevitable re-definition of "narrow is the road" to get to heaven, which winds up as just another "Tree of Knowledge," a la Adam and Eve.
#64. To: James Deffenbach, Lod (#14)
(Edited)
I guess you may be referring to me since some of my posts seem to "get up your craw" when I ever say anything negative about 0bama and his Muslim Brotherhood or the Satanic cult that goes by the name ISIS.
#65. To: FormerLurker (#59)
It's pretty simple. Evaluate the Golden Rule, if what you are about to do follows it, then it's the right thing to do, and if it doesn't follow it, then it's the wrong thing.
#66. To: FormerLurker (#61)
Prior to WWII and the boom of the oil industry, how many acts of terror were launched by Muslims against civilians in western nations?
#67. To: Pridie Nones (#65)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#68. To: Pridie Nones (#66)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#69. To: FormerLurker (#67)
#70. To: Pridie Nones (#66)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#71. To: FormerLurker (#68)
#72. To: Pridie Nones (#69)
Explain the Golden Rule.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#73. To: Pridie Nones (#71)
Muslims were the GREATEST human slave traders of all mankind's history.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#74. To: Pridie Nones (#69)
Explain the Golden Rule.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#75. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)
Why I get very little "REPLIES" on 4um
#76. To: randge (#44)
I am in complete agreement with what you've said here.
#77. To: Pridie Nones (#65)
Where is your line in the sand about RIGHT vs. WRONG when the issue is about survival as opposed to crumppets and tea at snack time with social graces?
#78. To: Pridie Nones (#71)
Muslims were the GREATEST human slave traders of all mankind's history.
#79. To: Lod (#45)
I'll stick with no one knows the time, not even the Son.
#80. To: Jethro Tull, Deasy (#62)
Somehow you took my addition of the Rape of Nanking as a challenge to your post despite evoking WWII without qualification. Did you want to discuss the European theater alone and further limit that to the actions of the allies?
#81. To: Lod (#45)
I'll stick with no one knows the time, not even the Son.
#82. To: Katniss (#79)
#83. To: Jethro Tull (#62)
You know what they say about ppl who keep lists :)
#84. To: Pridie Nones (#46)
I am more concerned about the US government permitting Muslims from known terro cells to freely migrate to America that may do the damage that you address. We have an evil government that is HELL bent in destroying the fabric of America.
The US government is not Christian. It never was.
"Americans, generally speaking and myself included years ago prior to all of the new media, are fearful of the most unlikely things."
Give an example. Another Katrina?
#85. To: Bub, All (#52)
Reminds me of the Kuwaiti girl who testified about the incubator babies thrown onto the hospital floor:
#86. To: Lod (#82)
The "end of Amerika" and the end of the world are likely two separate events.
#87. To: Liberator, Pridie Nones (#78)
(Edited)
Muslims were the GREATEST human slave traders of all mankind's history.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#88. To: Liberator (#77)
Lol...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#89. To: Liberator (#64)
You qualified your opinion concisely. Some people read ONLY what they want. MSNBC agenda-driven propagandists and apologists are special -- they never have to say they're sorry.
#90. To: Katniss (#8)
Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um.
-Alex Kurtagic
#91. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)
You got a beauty going here ! Best thread in days !! LOL You did it !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#92. To: X-15 (#90)
Amen ! Muhammadanism is a plantatation for female slaves and slack jaw knuckle dragging 'men' !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#93. To: Katniss (#27)
Yep. Me too. Qualifying and the government that controls the USgov. I'm thousands if not tens of thousands if times more worried about my own "christian government" doing that to me, or trying to send me to some camp for refusing to pay some medical insurance company $20K/year, more than most mortgages, for something that I don't need, don't want, and will rarely if ever benefit from.
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
#94. To: Katniss, Bub (#85)
You do realize that was another lie that we've been fed, right? Bub definitely realizes that. Reminds me of the Kuwaiti girl who testified about the incubator babies thrown onto the hospital floor:
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
#95. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0) (Edited)
You're really breaking the fourth crystal ball here. But maybe I can summarize the situation even better: communist Jews are eating our guts out, stealing our money, homes, souls and future, and we're all going to end up Etruscans unless this is stopped. If everybody would seriously focus on this fact and point it out to others - - doesn't have to be full-time for every individual -- the evil system would collapse in on itself, without the need of a revolution in the usual sense. It's already well underway if we choose to seize it as such. Just needs more ACTION on everyone's part! SUFFICIENT INFORMATION ALONE in the hands of the people could take this country anywhere it needs to go, and then we could start improving the rest of the world (if we must) by EXAMPLE and INSPIRATION rather than force. Everybody is looking for solutions "somewhere out there" -- something nice and abstract and cut off from obvious immediate perils like this. One of my active compatriots is a 60+-year-old Sunday schooler. He says the only thing that will work is to drive out all Bible versions except the King James. Millions are looking for a restoration of the Constitution to save us, but even the great Ron Paul is dead wrong if he thinks that will work without naming and confronting the very faulty document's main destroyers. I point out the obvious facts to people, e.g. the Extreme Court being 1/3 Jew and every Fed chairman being a Tribesman, and they just look at me without saying anything. I can pose the obvious, glaring, Socratic questions for 15 minutes straight and they just look at me benignly as if I'm just known for these Tourette attacks. It's the Jews, and it's got to be dealt with. Anybody not fully plugged into it is seriously cut off from reality. It would be especially nutty to look the other way from it in this site, one of the very few where the Jew curse is discussed openly, maturely, and presentably. In other countries you go to jail for doing so; in the Un-Tied States where we have mch more freedom on the subject, a third of a billion people are pretending they don't know about it. Gee, I can't wait to see what the response to this post is.... maybe more deafening silence?
#96. To: Rotara (#92) (Edited)
Without these savages there would be no ongoing Mideast crisis. Fixed a spelling error, too. Muslims are way more civilized than yids and their Christian supporters. And I'm not paying any compliments here. Most Muslims are civilized; you can't say the same for Christian Zionists. Jews, well they're programmed to kill anything that gets in their way. Muhammadanism Christian/Jewish Zionism is a plantation for female slaves and slack jaw knuckle dragging 'men' !
#97. To: NeoconsNailed, Deasy, 4 (#95)
A dead on summary, thanks. Only a blind man could
look at the small number of Jews in American power positions, be that in
politics, banking, or The Ministry of Lies, and not come away without scratching
their heads. As Deasy mentions above, Christian Zionists, as their handmaidens,
deserve special mention also. communist Jews are eating our guts out, stealing our money,
homes, souls and future, and we're all going to end up Etruscans unless this is
stopped.
#98. To: X-15 (#90)
I'm not quite sure what your point is. Sounds as if it's that one beheaded person is equally tragic to 1,000 people incinerated via military weapons or WACO style. Correct me if I'm wrong. Otherwise, I see no difference between one WACO victim or one of those guys.
#99. To: NeoconsNailed (#95)
You are 100% correct, imo. If you haven't had the time yet, please watch Christopher Bollyn's Solving 9/11 presentation. His research and conclusion is dead on. Now here is a man who has guts.
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
#100. To: Jethro Tull, NeoconsNailed, Katniss (#97)
It's their job to work our so-called western values into twisted knots that let us kill 1.5 million Iraqis to save 20,000 Kurds. Need I say more? We were promised enslavement if we didn't fight two world wars. Look who's stepping and fetching now? There's nothing we can do to stop it now. Before 1941 we had a choice. Only a blind man could look at the small number of Jews in American power positions, be that in politics, banking, or The Ministry of Lies, and not come away without scratching their heads.
#101. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#42)
It's evident that strategy worked out well for the kikes. One less defiant nation, will broken. Germany burned to cinders, the only resistance to world Jewry starving, raped, and pleading for mercy. Japan, the only other resistance to world Jewry suffering the loss of 90 cities burned to cinders. Communism sweeping Eurasia unopposed. What a brilliant stroke for World Jewry. Miraculous even. All they had to do was trick Americans into massacring a few dozen million people while the Russians savaged them on the only real battle front they faced. And now they control the world thanks to the gullibility and fecklessness of men who never set foot on a battle field, ordering the deaths of millions from their armchairs on Bakelite phones. The biggest mistake the Axis made was believing the gods were on their side. They weren't ruthless enough because they thought the winds of fate were in their sails. It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.
Because of that, Japan was the only country to come out of WWII "a winner".
#102. To: Deasy (#101)
Your thoughts are correct to a point but they need restructuring as to time element. Too tired this morning to go into it, maybe later. For instance, first warning in our government that Japan was considering moving South was in ...1897. It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.
#103. To: FormerLurker (#67)
Actually the Golden Rule is found all over the world stating that a person should treat others as THEY wish to be treated, the focus is on the other and not the self. Only in Western culture is the focus on the self and treating others as we want to be treated....this is the narcissistic perspective. You're wrong. The Golden Rule is about treating other creatures as you would have yourself treated by others.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#104. To: Cynicom (#102) (Edited)
No problem with the nips holding on to Asian territories. Better than the sick and dawdling Spanish and Dutch empires. Have you heard of the book Imperial Cruise? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imperial_Cruise First there was an engagement, then came the divorce. The divorce proved fatal, but it wouldn't have been if we hadn't attacked the Japanese on the Chinese front by aiding the British in 1940. What business was it of ours? The Imperial Cruise is a non-fiction book authored by James Bradley, the son of one of the men who raised the American flag on Iwo Jima. In the book, based on extensive research and newly discovered archival materials and photographs, Bradley sheds new light on the history of American political affairs in the Pacific during the presidency of Theodore Roosevelt, and a surrounding a secret diplomatic/Congressional mission to Asia conceived by Roosevelt which would affect United States involvement in Asia for generations. The material also covers a wide array of other cultural factors that loosely relate to this, the largest diplomatic delegation ever sent to Asia in U.S. history.[2] The book asserts that Roosevelt's diplomatic mistakes constituted the original encouragement for the Japanese imperialism that ultimately backfired on the United States and led to the war in the Pacific,[3] and acted as a catalyst in the fomentation of many subsequent events in Asia, including the Chinese Communist Revolution, the Korean War, and even the current state of U.S.-Asia affairs today in the 21st century.[4] For instance, first warning in our government that Japan was considering moving South was in ...1897.
#105. To: abraxas (#103) (Edited)
All I would agree with here is that the western world is the only world that thinks people would want to adopt a culture not their own. History has been filled with live and let die. It's natural. Americans do it too, and like others before them, they believe God (or civilization's arc) is on their side. But the silly part is that they think the world wants what they've got. Only in Western culture is the focus on the self and treating others as we want to be treated....this is the narcissistic perspective.
#106. To: Deasy (#105)
They want our freedumb.....join me in the obligatory chant: We're #1!! We're #1!! :) Amen But the silly part is that they think the world wants what they've got.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#107. To: abraxas (#106)
The world is beginning to understand our slavery to the Jews. They will turn against us because Judaism and Israel are both racially-exclusive systems.
#108. To: Deasy (#100) (Edited)
WWII was directly spawned by WWI and its aftermath. We had a choice prior to Woodrow Wilson, all of the most key subversive elements for this nation passed on his watch. Oh, but then he was sorry and regretted it. LOL Crocodile tears for the history books. There's nothing we can do to stop it now. Before 1941 we had a choice.
#109. To: Katniss (#108) (Edited)
I completely agree. It was related to Russophobia, as Schiff financed the Russo-Japanese war to destabilize their growing empire, and the French and British tried to contain the Czar in the Crimea. Of course the blood-sucking Yids weren't fully in charge of the Czar and there were pogroms against them for reasons that are obvious. This goes back to the 1860s at least. It sort of explains why we have anti-Russian sentiment lurking here as if that would protect us from what we have done. For reasons probably unknown to the Russophobes here, the British empire and Anglo-American bankers have long sought to contain Russia. That was what the Russian revolution was all about. Was it a backfire? They don't care. But in 1940 we still had a choice: save Eastern Europe for the Jews, or tease the Japs into attacking us. We chose the latter, and the rest is history. How long must we sing this Holocaust song? WWII was directly spawned by WWI and its aftermath.
#110. To: abraxas (#103)
Only in Western culture is the focus on the self and treating others as we want to be treated....this is the narcissistic perspective. I've always thought that it was basically a matter of causing no harm to others, where the best way to state that is to treat others the way you'd like to be treated yourself. This is what wiki has to say... Actually the Golden Rule is found all over the world stating that a person should treat others as THEY wish to be treated, the focus is on the other and not the self.
The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity is a maxim, ethical code or morality that essentially states either of the following:
Could you give me an example of where the rule doesn't include oneself?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#111. To: FormerLurker, Rotara, NeoconsNailed, randge, Liberator, Buzzard, Cynicom, Obnoxicated (#110)
Has it occurred to anybody yet that our Presidential, Congressional, and Military "leaders" keep starting unneccessary wars all over the place because they need to drink blood to prevent their eyes from bugging out of their heads?
#112. To: Deasy (#109)
It sort of explains why we have anti-Russian sentiment lurking here - Deasy Behold your beloved Soviet Union! Sovier War Crimes, 1919-1991
#113. To: Jethro Tull (#112)
Sovietized due to Anglo-Jewish interests. Just like America. Or are you better than them, JT?
#114. To: Jethro Tull (#112)
Lies Your History Teacher Sold You History was one of my favorite subjects all through school. I studied US History in New York, Ohio, Michigan, and Kentucky. Looking back 20+ years later, I find the number of times the truth has been conveniently deleted from America's textbooks very odd. DELETED US HISTORY, PART I: America sent 2,000 troops to Russia around 1915 (I can't remember the exact year (I graduated from college 10 years ago...) I believe it was between 1912-1918) to aid the then Russian Czar against a Communist/Bolshevic uprising/revolution. Not only did the Communists win (as everybody knows), they SLAUGHTERED ALL 2,000 AMERICAN TROOPS! Not a single American serviceman returned after being deployed to Russia around 1915! PART II: EVERY American textbook I have read mentions how Jesse Owens embarrassed Hitler in the 1936 Summer Olympics, proving his Master Race 'wrong,' by winning Gold Medals in the first two Olympic (running) events. NOT A SINGLE US TEXTBOOK MENTIONS THE FACT THAT THE GERMANS PLACED 1ST, 2ND, AND 3RD, IN ALMOST EVERY OLYMPIC EVENT AFTER THAT! If you don't believe me, go to Olympia Stadium in Berlin (Which is where they were held.) and read the monument with all the names of winners of medals in the 1936 Summer Olympics, and the countries from which they resided. Additionally, the 1936 Summer Olympics were broadcast on German television 10 years before there was even a single tv in America. PART III: EVERY American textbook mentions the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941, dragging America into World War II. Not a single one of them mentions the fact that the US Navy placed a Naval embargo around the island nation of Japan, which is 100% dependent upon foreign oil imports, forbidding any oil into their country. And then Japan attacks Pearl Harbor right afterwards - GEE, WHAT A SURPRIZE! The next thing you know, America attacks Germany, which never did a thing to America, and a quarter million servicemen and women are DEAD and another half million were wounded. Then, oh what a surprize, America and Britian give Palstine to the Jews! What did that have to do with defeating Germany, Italy, and Japan? Or was that the Synods plan all along???
#115. To: Deasy (#113)
Has America been at War 93% of the Time since 1776?
#116. To: Deasy (#113)
I have no idea. I've never met "them." But back to the Soviet atrocities. After reading that history, I'm sticking with the Evil Empire monicker. Or are you better than them, JT?
#117. To: Jethro Tull (#116)
Your country has been taken over by Jews just like the Russians' country was. So how are you better than them? Besides, our Jews persuaded us to stop Hitler from putting a lid on their tyranny. Shabbos goy-like. Without gullible Americans to back up the Brits and the Soviets, 1919 wouldn't have lasted past 1942 without Lend Lease and a front in Africa. Roosevelt even lied about Katyn Forest to protect his buddies. Imagine a world where the Czar was left in peace to conduct pogroms as he pleased.
#118. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#114)
John Travolta is missing his upper left incisor. Just sayin' 
#119. To: Jethro Tull (#118)
Something else is missing too.
#120. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#114)
How did the flotilla of Jap carriers and escorts manage to leave port and strike out for Pearl Harbor? The embargo was at the source of the oil, not the destination. Anglo-American and Dutch interests controlled the supply. Not a single one of them mentions the fact that the US Navy placed a Naval embargo around the island nation of Japan, which is 100% dependent upon foreign oil imports, forbidding any oil into their country. And then Japan attacks Pearl Harbor right afterwards - GEE, WHAT A SURPRIZE!
#121. To: GreyLmist (#120)
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#122. To: FormerLurker (#110)
I've always thought that it was basically a matter of causing no harm to others, where the best way to state that is to treat others the way you'd like to be treated yourself. The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. Lauzi/Tauism Nothing which breathes, which exists, which lives, or which has essence or potential of life, should be destroyed or ruled over, or subjugated, or harmed, or denied of its essence or potential. Jainism Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself. —Bahá'u'lláh That is a few. I agree with causing no harm. The criticism that arises from treating others how we wish to be treated is that not everybody else is alike or shares the same beliefs. For example, I have thicker skin than many others and I prefer straight talk but others may find offense in that. Treating others in a paradigm of a particular belief structure negates the belief structure of the other. Historically religion has given humans carte blanche to ram a particular set of beliefs down the throats of others for "their own good" to "save them" which led to a great deal of blood shed. At some point, the Western tree must concede that not all others wish to be treated like them or to treat others as they deem fit for treatment based solely on the basis that the other doesn't share their beliefs. Perhaps a bit of treating others as they wish to be treated is in order? Also, in a world where love of self has become confused with love of ego, loving others as the self has run amok and misses the inherent truth of loving the divinity in all others. My favorite...Namaste~I salute the divinity in you. : ) Could you give me an example of where the rule doesn't include oneself?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#123. To: Deasy (#107)
What many fail to see is that Islam is the last stronghold against usury in this world. Inherent in Islam is a refusal to be a debt slave. Christianity used to share this inherent belief but rolled over a long time ago. How can you have any sort of one world government when more than a billion refuse the gift of "credit" and the debt slavery that goes along with it? Best make the lot of them an "enemy" and bring in the drones....for our freedumb of course. The world is beginning to understand our slavery to the Jews. They will turn against us because Judaism and Israel are both racially-exclusive systems.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#124. To: abraxas (#123)
Out da park.
#125. To: christine (#99) (Edited)
Great find, Christine! Have never seen Bollyn in action -- he's pure gold. He's suffered for the cause of truth, too -- jailed or beaten or something. Believe he's among the various outstanding people Willis Carto has hired, exalted and then anathematized. Remarkable that he's speaking here in a church!!?? Wish I knew which one -- it deserves a medal. That foreign fellow who speaks from the audience must have never been to a bar mitzvah if he thinks Israelis are too dignified to dance a jig over 9/11. Bollyn does go a bit far in mocking Judy Wood as others have mocked him. Have seen her lecture twice on it and it's staggering, esp. since she's such a "liberal' -- IMHO, the only thing that actually makes sense of the mechanics of 9/11. She doesn't make statements either, just dramatically leads you through the evidence to the logical conclusion. "Write a paper and get it published in a journal"? She was fired from Clemson for speaking up about this. THANKS.....
#126. To: Jethro Tull (#118)
Revolta looks like a combination vampire and werewolf getting the feel of a beautiful previously unused neck. Do you think he was uglier before or after he got old?
#127. To: NeoconsNailed (#126)
That picture is disturbing. After all the years playing in Hollywoodland, he's clearly morphing into something very dark and evil.
#128. To: Jethro Tull (#127)
Are you sure the teeth aren't photoshopped in to look like fangs? They don't look entirely original.
#129. To: NeoconsNailed (#128)
Nope, not sure at all. As a Premium member of the hollywoodland cult, anything is possible. Are you sure the teeth aren't photoshopped in to look like fangs?
#130. To: All (#0)
#131. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#130) (Edited)
You don't get a lot of replies because you are mean to everyone.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#132. To: randge (#16)
That is a very powerful statement and it must must MUST be seriously noted. Washington takes situations that are normal or achieving normalcy and hammers them into a mold of polarization -- "either you're with us or with the terrorists" and all that crap. "Civil rights" is another perfect example. Before pointy-headed liberals took a notion that blacks and whites needed saving from themselves, blacks were coming into their own naturally -- black colleges, black business districts in cities, black entertainment et al. Not good enough -- no break- in point for demagogues! So they got the races at war with each other and fanned the flames of hate and resentment against whitey, leading directly to the hellish situation we see today. Causing strife in foreign counties as you describe is a tactic simpler as pie down through history. That the US and UK should stoop that low, much less make it permanent policy, is despicable. Things weren't always this way. In the 1940s, there were still movie theaters in Dammam, and there was even modest wine production in some upland areas of Saudi. The puritanism we see today was in some measure in abeyance. It was the Brits and the Yanks who supported the most regressive tendencies in this part of the world and we've done a lot overtly and covertly to see that the most conservative forces there dominate all others.
#133. To: randge (#25)
Just incidentally, we were lied to about that affair as with Trayvon, Ferguson et al. Of course I agree with your point that amerika's moral record can be an extremely disheartening one. No, I'd hate to be judged as an American by the example of other Americans who drag a guy in chains to his death behind a pickup truck because he is black.
#134. To: NeoconsNailed (#133)
Can I borrow your walrus? Just incidentally, we were lied to about that affair as with Trayvon, Ferguson et al. Of course I agree with your point that amerika's moral record can be an extremely disheartening one.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#135. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#114) (Edited)
America sent 2,000 troops to Russia around 1915 (I can't remember the exact year (I graduated from college 10 years ago...) I believe it was between 1912-1918) to aid the then Russian Czar against a Communist/Bolshevic uprising/revolution. Not only did the Communists win (as everybody knows), they SLAUGHTERED ALL 2,000 AMERICAN TROOPS! Not a single American serviceman returned after being deployed to Russia around 1915! Thanks for noting that history in your posting for us. Some adjustments to the data with additional info: Polar Bear Expedition - Wikipedia | Pic: Historical Marker with details | Pic: Monument | Excerpts: The U.S. President Woodrow Wilson sent the Polar Bear Expedition to Russia in response to requests from the governments of Great Britain and France to join the Allied Intervention in North Russia (also known as the North Russia Campaign). Following the Allied Armistice with Germany on November 11, 1918, family members and friends of the ANREF soldiers began writing letters to newspapers and circulating petitions to their representatives in the U.S. Congress asking for the immediate return of the ANREF from North Russia. In turn, the newspapers editorialized for their withdrawal and their Congressmen raised the issue in Washington, D.C. Meanwhile, aware of not only the change in their mission, but also of the Armistice on the Western Front and the fact that the port of Arkhangelsk was now frozen and closed to shipping, the morale of the American soldiers soon plummeted. During their time in North Russia, the American forces suffered more than 210 casualties, including at least 110 deaths from battle, about 30 missing in action, and 70 deaths from disease, 90% of which were caused by the Spanish Flu. [citation needed] A October 1919 report gives the casualties as 553: 109 killed in battle; 35 died of wounds; 81 from disease; 19 from accidents/other causes; [244 dead] 305 wounded and 4 POWS {released} After they returned home, the Polar Bear veterans lobbied their state and Federal governments to obtain funds and the necessary approvals to retrieve the bodies of more than 125 U.S. soldiers who were known to have been left behind in North Russia. Hampered by the lack of diplomatic recognition between the United States and the Soviet Union, it took many years before they finally received permission. An expedition under the auspices of the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) was successful in organizing and conducting a recovery mission in the autumn of 1929 that found, identified and brought out the remains of 86 U.S. soldiers. Another dozen remains of ANREF soldiers were shipped by the Soviet Union to the U.S. in 1934, which reduced the number of U.S soldiers still buried in North Russia to about 30. 4um Title: The Polar Bear Expedition: US/Allied Forces ordered into Russian Revolution/Civil War at close of WWI with YouTube Playlist collection of posted videos: Polar Bear Expedition: US/Allies ordered into Russian Rev + other linked videos and info at the topic. Excerpts: Post #5: They would ask their officers for the reason they were fighting Bolshevik soldiers in Russia and would not receive a specific answer other than they must fight to survive and avoid being pushed into the Arctic Ocean [My note: something about that sounds like it has a Zionist accent] by the Bolshevik army. Post #2: [Eventually, some of our Polar Bears] were on the verge of mutiny in Russia because their mission was a mystery to them, other than to be heldover there to be attacked. The U.S. Ambassador to Russia said something to them to the effect that they were there to help the emerging government, which shortly emerged from the Red Bolshevik forces that Post #3: These men were called to brave the cold arctic snows and fight long battles in temperatures of sixty-degrees below zero, under the midnight sun of arctic Russia. ... When WWI ended, these men expected to be immediately called home, like all other regiments around the world. That call, for these men, never came. They were left to fight a savage enemy in Northern Russia eight [or more] long months after WWI had ended. ... They became one of the most highly decorated regiments in all of WWI. Post #5: They remain the only American force to directly engage Russians in war. Post #6: To understand what the United States was fighting for, one must look at the events preceding the war [in Russia]. In 1917, Russia was fighting a total war against Germany. This put all their resources onto the frontlines of the World War, as casualties were great on the Eastern Front. ... [The rise of the Communists] concerned the Allies, as the Bolsheviks would pull Russia out of the War eventually and Germany would then direct their attention on the Western Front, something the Allies couldn't afford. the demand of the Allies, including the United States, that Russia should renew and reinvigorate her [WWI] war effort (bluntly expressed by [the Root Commission] in the formula "no fight, no loans") ... [was] in conflict with the other [supposed] major aim of American policy toward the Provisional Government - namely, that the [Anti-Bolshevik] experiment in constitutional government should proceed sucessfully. the pressure of the Allies to keep Russia in the war [against Germany] proved in the end the very thing the American government wanted least, ... that which Washington and [Ambassdor] Francis feared most, the accession of the Bolsheviks. Post #7: 4um title, The Root Commission Formula: "No fight, No Loans" [WWI to crurrent times] Typo correction: [WWI to current times] - Excerpts: Post #3: Online info on The Root Commission and its "financial policy" Samuel Gompers and the American Federation of Labor ... [Communist Gompers supported Pres.] Wilson's [WWI] preparedness policies [to] gain a voice for the AFL in executive branch defense councils ... in 1917 he was appointed to the Council of National Defense, an organization created to prepare the country for possible involvement in the war. ... He obtained AFL representation on the Root Commission, a council of emissaries whose purpose was to travel to Russia to encourage it [i.e. pressure it financially] to stay in the war. And so, our Polar Bears and the White Russian/Anti-Bolshevik/Anti-Communist Provisional Government that they were trying to help there (until long after WWI was over) were basically undermined by Wilson and his Commie insiders/financiers/etc. Edited formatting. DELETED US HISTORY, PART I:
The Polar Bear Expedition (also known as the Northern Russian Expedition, the American North Russia Expeditionary Force - ANREF or the American Expeditionary Force North Russia - AEFNR) was a contingent of about 5,000 [5,500 - Historical Marker ref. linked above] United States Army troops that landed in Arkhangelsk, Russia as part of the Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War and fought the Red Army in the surrounding region during the period of September 1918 through July 1919.
Post #4: American doughboys found themselves, early in September of 1918, after a long, slow trip from England through the icy waters of the Arctic Ocean, disembarking at the Russian port of Archangel - and more than half of them no sooner ashore than they were, with astonishment, packed off to "the front" to fight "the Bolos" - which was to say units of the Soviet Red Army.
were were attacking them. Post #2: Pre-WWI stagecraft
dictats of [World] War as a requirement for loan approval is scarce but leads to the Communist Manifesto, the First [Communist] Internationale's executive committee, and [Communist] Samuel Gompers (a Labor Union organizer
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#136. To: All (#115)
*AGE OF DECEIT* (FULL) Fallen Angels and the New World Order
#137. To: Dakmar (#134)
Didn't David Lee Roth jump over the Walrus on stage one time in the early 1980's? Or was that just Ziggy Stardust stealing Grace Slick's mushrooms??
-Alex Kurtagic
#138. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
#139. To: Cynicom (#10)
Including judging every poster on 4um as a group. We're all individuals here. Contrary to what some have claimed, we don't group think here. Accepting or denying any group is fool hardy.
#140. To: Cynicom (#3)
Because you're not handsome and charming as I am. Why I get very little "REPLIES" on 4um
"Have Brain, Will Travel
#141. To: Turtle (#140)
When you get as many rough miles on your carcass as I have, you will just be a splat in the road. Because you're not handsome and charming as I am.
#142. To: Cynicom (#141)
Unanswered questions: Does (or did) Neo ever get fewer replies than others? Where'd Deasy go? Bunch of nice calm work by JT here. How to get him back? Why do I get so few replies anymore? Or as Neo put it, 'very little "REPLIES"' :-) 
#143. To: All (#142)
Oops, #142 was intended for "All", not just Cyni.
#144. To: NeoconsNailed, JT, 4 (#142)
Yes, it would be great to have Jethro back here with us, his life experiences brought good insights to 4.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#145. To: Lod, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine, 4 (#144)
I hope I'm not breaking any rules here. I sent JT a PM here shortly after the site came back up; sort of a health and welfare check. He eventually gave me a kind reply. You, too, can do the same.
#146. To: All (#144)
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#147. To: Fred Mertz (#145)
That's great, I've done the same; good job and thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#148. To: Fred Mertz (#145)
I wrote him too. Everybody write him in case he drops in.
#149. To: Buzzard (#2)
An active point-counterpoint session on 4um is a good, long thread with lots of discussion. Sometimes we get one like that. ;) When one preaches to the choir, one should expect more nods of agreement rather than an active point-counterpoint session.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#150. To: Cynicom (#3)
This is true in Monarchy's and tyranny's, but should not be true in the U.S.A. Even though of late it has been difficult to keep one's head above water for just the same reasons as you would encounter in both the aforementioned environments. ;) "The world masses are but mere lice, with but little right to life".
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#151. To: Turtle (#140)
I was handsome when I was younger, and was told I looked like Robert Redford (Sundance Kid), or Lech Walesa. Take your pick. ;) Because you're not handsome and charming as I am.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#152. To: BTP Holdings (#151)
Not Beaver Cleaver? I'm shocked. :-)
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#153. To: Lod (#152)
Not the Beave. LOL Not Beaver Cleaver? I'm shocked.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#154. To: Lod (#146)
Great vid, Lod. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#155. To: BTP Holdings (#151)
At 16 I looked like Garth Algar. I was handsome when I was younger, and was told I looked like Robert Redford (Sundance Kid), or Lech Walesa. Take your pick. ;)
"Have Brain, Will Travel
#156. To: Turtle (#155)
I suspect you looked like you.
#157. To: Turtle (#155)
#158. To: christine, Turtle (#157)
ROTFLMAO!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#159. To: NeoconsNailed (#133)
But when you got to kick a lot of butt and throw people out at concerts, it was all worth it. ;) amerika's moral record can be an extremely disheartening one.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#160. To: BTP Holdings (#159)
Well, you're one of the lucky ones getting it out of your system that way all those years! Got any good Firefall or Orleans stories? 2 of the greatest platters ever, almost bookends www.youtube.com/watch? v=S5aMMRes2u4 www.youtube.com/watch? v=_wyR1basFYg 
#161. To: NeoconsNailed (#160)
Is there a guy named Ostracises, or something? I could not find him anywhere.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#162. To: NeoconsNailed (#160)
If you're wondering about the number of replies, ask why do I get so few replies. Otherwise, the replies could be small.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#163. To: Lod (#162)
I did -- #142. There were no replies :-) 
#164. To: Lod (#161)
No. Should there be? Is there a guy named Ostracises, or something? I could not find him anywhere.
#165. To: NeoconsNailed (#164)
Yes, if there was a process of Ostracism, there should be a guy, a cult, or a group, by a similar name. How else would they so name it?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#166. To: Lod (#165)
Well, at least you're pinging..... prolly mockingly..... I dunno. Why should there be?
#167. To: NeoconsNailed, ALL (#166)
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#168. To: Lod, NeoconsNailed (#165)
Makes sense to me, Lod. Everybody knows Mysticism derives from a gal named Misty who was always hard to figure out.
#169. To: All! (#168)
'Twould be such FUN for them to rag us that way -- if that's what it happens to be. Wouldn't it? Anybody here share my belief that UFOs are like just secret govt craft? If nobody answers we'll call it a rhetorical question :-) 
#170. To: NeoconsNailed (#169)
Yes. The one that tractor-beamed me up recently and performed a bunch of medical-like tests on me before returning me to the earth's surface was definitely a skunkworks project of the QSI subsection of the 3rd Sector Directorate on planet Zalcon 232E. Definitely government, even though they had removed all the insignia from their uniforms. Anybody here share my belief that UFOs are like just secret govt craft?
#171. To: StraitGate (#170)
Well, you've got something there -- how to explain the abductions? 
#172. To: NeoconsNailed (#171)
Their language was similar that of planet Exo 672(a.5), which I had spent some time on after having been abducted one night in Kansas (just how long I was there I can't say, as there was apparently a tear -- or least a warp -- in the S-T continuum on galactic re-entry), so I could tell that they were considering using me for reproductive purposes for some planned genetic testing back on Exo. I talked them out of it, but I had to lie a lot to do so.
#173. To: All (#172)
Actually, I threatened them. I told them that I and several million of my well- armed friends were founding members of the IVEEMT -- the InVoluntary Exonian Extinction MovemenT.
#174. To: StraitGate, Lod, neoconsnailed (#173)
One of youse guyz: your girlfriend hit you!
#175. To: Fred Mertz (#174)
Was that The Run for the Roses?
#176. To: NeoconsNailed (#163)
I can't tell if there's an expiration date on that can. Is there one?
#177. To: Fred Mertz (#174)
Ha! Looks like an outtake from what I'm watching www.youtube.com/watch? v=C1dyjWHUTYA&list=PLC36B52411542BA35 
#178. To: Pinguinite (#176)
Now how can you joke about something so utterly serious and momentous? :-] 
#179. To: NeoconsNailed (#160) (Edited)
Nope, never worked them. We worked Los Lobos. A bunch of scrungy Mexicans. ;) Got any good Firefall or Orleans stories?
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#180. To: Fred Mertz (#174)
Now that's what I call a head butt. LOL gfycat.com/FaroffCraftyHare
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#181. To: BTP Holdings (#179)
Mountain? Loggins and Messina? CSN&Y? I don't know how back you go. Watching this just now -- you folks ain't gonna believe it! www.youtube.com/watch? v=hHjubg7zTfU 
#182. To: NeoconsNailed (#181)
I know them but never worked them. ;) Loggins and Messina?
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#183. To: NeoconsNailed (#169)
Yes. Those grainy pictures show progression from the 1950s to today's Anybody here share my belief that UFOs are like just secret govt craft?
#184. To: BTP Holdings (#182)
You know them -- lucky you. They've got a few immortal cuts, including the wrongfully obscure last 4 minutes of
#185. To: Ada (#183)
It's claimed sightings have been reported since ancient times, but they've come to a head in exact parallel with the progress of the US space program etc. Why always a round-shaped craft or "saucer"? Because it's a vague shape that covers any anomaly people thing they see -- or because of The Day the Earth Stood Still? Skeptoid rips it up....... but then can all those claims of abduction be wrong? Anybody got a Ford Festiva or similar vehicle in good shape for sale? ------------------------------------------ 
#186. To: NeoconsNailed (#185)
U R A JEWEL NEO ..
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
#187. To: christine (#157)
Yep, same glasses, same length and color of hair.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
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