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Published: Feb 22, 2015
Author: Don Harkins
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By A. True Ott, PhD Nearly a decade ago, a dear friend and colleague of mine named Don Harkins authored a wonderfully thought-provoking piece entitled “Slavery and the eight veils. Prior to Harkins’ untimely death, we discussed this “Eight-veils theory” for literally hours together – and in the end, Don asked me to write a piece about this for his newspaper, “The Idaho Observer.” He did this, because I had shared much of my research with Don, and we together came to the conclusion that in reality, there were actually NINE veils placed on the human soul (i.e. intelligence), and that spiritual progression and thus a full knowledge of TRUTH would require the piercing of these Nine Veils. I joked with Don that this topic would take an entire edition of The Idaho Observer, and then it would only scratch the surface. That was one of Don’s editorial talents – taking a complex story and compressing it to a more readable format. In memory of Don Harkins, here is the writing we discussed, in as compressed a format as possible. WHY NINE VEILS INSTEAD OF EIGHT (1 x 8) + 1= 9 (12 x 8) + 2 = 98 (123 x 8) + 3 = 987 (1234 x 8) + 4 = 9876 (12345 x 8) + 5 = 98765 (123456 x 8) + 6 = 987654 (1234567 x 8) + 7 = 9876543 (12345678 x 8) + 8 = 98765432 (123456789 x 8) + 9 = 987654321 Amazing, isn’t it? I find it very interesting, furthermore, that all of the great philosophers in history such as Archimedes, Copernicus, Socrates and DaVinci all were mathematicians first and foremost. I submit that everything from biblical prophecy to DNA strands are built and based on quite simple mathematical formulas and patterns – but I am getting ahead of the story, for understanding the role of mathematics is in itself one of the nine hidden veils. Consider also the so-called “mystery schools” of antiquity. In shadowy temples in Sumer and Babylon – the Kabala showed the way to the ultimate “Holy of Holies” – the re-veil-a-tions (revelation, i.e. the parting of the veils) of life, the creation, of God and when embraced in honor and truth, the very Origins of Man. This involved systematically piercing and embracing 9 levels of understanding or “Truth Plateaus” before finally entering “Nirvana” (or the ultimate unity with God) as depicted in modern “tracing boards”. Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways. Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space. This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic. Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.” WHY CAN’T PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH? “Over the last several years I have evolved and discarded several theories in an attempt to explain why it is that most people cannot see truth — even when it smacks them in the face. Those of us who can see “the conspiracy” have participated in countless conversations amongst ourselves that address the frustration of most peoples´ inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which we use to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. The most common explanation to be arrived at is that most people just “don´t want to see” what is really going on. Extremely evil men and women who make up the world´s power-elite have cleverly cultivated a virtual pasture so grass green that few people seldom, if ever, bother to look up from where they are grazing long enough to notice the brightly colored tags stapled to their ears. The same people who cannot see their enslavement for the pasture grass have a tendency to view as insane “conspiracy theorists” those of us who can see the past the farm and into the parlor of his feudal lordship´s castle. Finally, I understand why. It´s not that those who don´t see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don´t want to see it” — they simply can´t see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view. All human endeavors are a filtration process. Sports are one of the best examples. We play specific sports until we get kicked off the playground. The pro athletes we pay big bucks to watch just never got kicked off the playground. Where millions of kids play little league each spring, they are filtered out until there are about 50 guys who go to the World Series in October. Behind the first veil: There are over 7 billion people on the planet. Most of them live and die without having seriously contemplated anything other than what it takes to keep their lives together. Ninety percent of all humanity will live and die without having pierced the first veil.” Indeed it can be said that less than 1% of the world’s 7 billion humans ever pierce all nine veils, and it would appear that even this small minority is ever-shrinking. In order to keep the “virtual pasture” green, the global elite also successfully bribe many who have pierced multiple veils, in order to misdirect others who may be approaching truth in many areas. I call this simply intellectual prostitution – selling the birthright of Universal Truth for a worthless mess of pottage. The gilded glitz of wealth, fame and social elevation have seduced many a gifted intellectual. With full credit given to Don Harkins, here now are the newly updated “Nine Veils”. The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, become active and develop an opinion. Our opinions will be shaped by the physical world around us; we will have been “conditioned” from our days in public education to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other “experts” are the primary voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil. The second veil: Ten percent of us will also pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil. The third veil: Ten percent of those who pierce the second veil, will eventually pierce the third veil to conclusively find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the entire world´s economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil. The fourth veil: Ten percent will then pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry, and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil. The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the very thoughts and even the very actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed. As in the days of Noah, this technology is even creating synthetic life forms, as man seeks to displace God. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil. The sixth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the sixth veil where we learn the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real indeed and are in reality the actual controlling forces behind the secret societies uncovered in the fourth veil. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil. The seventh veil: Ten Percent will progress to pierce the 7th veil where the incredible world of fractal geometry and the universal law of numbers will be fully understood and embraced. The creative force of the entire universe will be shown to be linked to numerical code formulas and sequences, and all “mysteries” including the very fabric of time, space, parallel universes, and access therein is unlocked. Those whose intellects allow them to pierce the seventh veil often succumb to the lure and promise of massive wealth offered by the ruling elite, and thus over ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the eighth veil. The eighth veil: Piercing the eighth veil reveals God and the pure energy known as LOVE that is the pure life force in all living things – which are one and the same. Deep-seated Humility is needed in order to ever pierce this veil. The ninth veil: Piercing the ninth veil means perfecting the pure energy known as love and thereby becoming truly one with God and His/Her formulations. By perfecting this pure energy, one then fully embraces charity and therein gains full understanding of the universal plan of sacrifice, death, and redemption; life itself then becomes complete and one truly comes full circle and looks at the world through the eyes of an innocent child, yet with the deepest wisdom born of pure LOVE from the eighth veil. Consider this: If this theory is correct, there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have successfully pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as dangerously insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people. Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can’t, the more insane he appears to them. This truth is self-evident. Moreover, institutions such as the venerable “Southern Poverty Law Center” are formed and financed by the ruling elite to effectively label many such awakened individuals “hate-mongers” and “terrorists”. OUR ENEMY, THE STATE Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite few. It is common also, for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce. Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of “Our Enemy, the State” (1935), explained what happens to those who find and embrace the final two veils: “What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer.” Conclusions The purpose of this essay is threefold: 2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the beginning and; 3. Show people that the greatest adventure of our life is behind the next veil because that is just one less veil between ourselves and God A.K.A. ‘The Highest Vibration” SOURCE with thanks Francisco Valero Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/40556352568/permalink/10152736736912569/ The 9 Veils Placed On Every Human Soul
Any dedicated seeker of truth eventually stumbles upon the incredible symmetry and structure of mathematics, which is especially true in fractal geometry involving the integers 1-9. For a most basic example, just take a look at these nine equations:
This question is best answered by Don Harkins’ wise words written in 2001:
Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send untold millions of first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder — their combined stations in life are simply to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security and are worth dying for.
As Don Harkins has written: “And so now we know that it´s not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, “they don´t want to see” the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply “can´t see” it as surely as I cannot see what´s on the other side of a closed curtain.”
1. To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity;
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Again JT, I'm no apologist for Islam, but allow me to ask, how many terrorist actions have occurred in Michigan over oh, say the last decade even in or emanating from that muslim rich area? I mean after all, by all rights of rationality based on what we're taught, shouldn't it be a highly significant number? In the meantime, I'm really really struggling here to see the difference between muslim atrocities and atrocities committed by a so-called christian nation, and atrocities that put anything we hear about these relatively limited ones to shame statistically speaking. Again, let's no overemphasize it. Our truly Christian culture has been destroyed, razed from the ground up. You're not even a Christian morally speaking, so in light of that, I am curious how without any moral standard what the basis is for your dissention, generally speaking. I mean without a moral basis, there is no right/wrong, correct? Either way, this notion that Islam is going to destroy something that does not exist anymore is a ridiculous and silly argument. If it does exist still in this country, then as I said before, its icon is a virtual Jesus sitting on top of an A1-Abrahms tank obliterating everyone while shouting "love your enemy" from the tank's pulpit. Honestly, we're very close to seriously questioning which is better.
And looking for trouble is what we do best. Good post. If the douchebags in government weren't constantly fomenting and agitating in order to gin up another war for the benefit of the bankers, the MIC and their own personal stock holdings, and mind their own business there would be far less trouble in the world. And if/when the people in the Middle East got tired of the brutal thugs beheading and burning people alive I suspect they could take care of that problem. Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
Who was it that saw to it that said element was imported into this country (and into Europe) in unprecedented haste and numbers in our lifetimes? Did I miss something? Did millions of Americans write their elected representatives to say, "Please, please Senator, open the floodgates of immigration to millions of people from Muslim countries!" Did I miss out on that political phenomenon, or was there something else at work? "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
IMO the controversy has been created and fostered by ppl above our pay grade.
They are quick to reject barbaric acts by Islam, while simultaneously pushing
forward crimes seemingly committed by Christians; the bombing of abortion
clinics, and other assorted “hate” crimes. Take this FWIW as I haven’t an
organized religious bone in my body.
You've missed nothing and what you're seeing is the intentional Balkanization of America. See Prof. MacDonald's The Culture of Critique, specifically his chapter in immigration, for a clear picture .
Or should the world define us by our actions in WACO and consider you, me, and every other American individual as being nuts and worthy of eradication? Absolutely not. Let's not define whole peoples by the actions of a few. One of my best friends is a Turkish guy. He had to leave his country because of political harassment. He's a Muslim, but his business ventures were not considered politically or religiously correct by those currently in power. In some ways it was not safe for him to continue living over there. He's since become an American citizen. I've known lots of great people over there and over here that are/were Muslim. My point about the burning school building that the girls died in is that we should be cognizant that we very much support regimes where discrimination, repression and sectarian domination are realities today. One does not have to go far to find example of excess or barbarities that take place under Sharia law in those places as we speak. No, I'd hate to be judged as an American by the example of other Americans who drag a guy in chains to his death behind a pickup truck because he is black. I'd hate to be judged that way, but I am. I'd also hate to be judged by the kind of retrograde regimes and dictatorships we've sponsored around the world, but lots of folks do. And there you are. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Thanks for the title, JT. I will look into it. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
With all of the muslims living within the US why do you think that this has not happened thus far? Because we're shattering, I mean world-class shattering, the odds of this happening here given what we're taught about it all. I mean the odds of being beaten to death, while completely innocent, are astronomically higher than the odds of being burned to death by a muslim. Astronomically!! As in something's not lining up with mainstream teachings and education here. I mean allow me to ask, where on your list of your fears of being killed does an attack by a muslim rank? ... here in America I mean, not if you walk the streets of Syria. I'm thousands if not tens of thousands if times more worried about my own "christian government" doing that to me, or trying to send me to some camp for refusing to pay some medical insurance company $20K/year, more than most mortgages, for something that I don't need, don't want, and will rarely if ever benefit from. Americans, generally speaking and myself included years ago prior to all of the new media, are fearful of the most unlikely things.
Muslims have never come close to anything on the scale of this.
Chapter 7, pg 240.
Thanks. You beat me to it!
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
This was a beaut!
"If just a handful of mujahideen fighters could bring Kenya to a complete stand-still for nearly a week, then imagine what a dedicated mujahideen in the West could do to the American or Jewish-owned shopping centers across the world," the man said. "What if such an attack was to occur in the Mall of America in Minnesota? Or the West Edmonton Mall in Canada? Or in London's Oxford Street?" He said, "What would be the implications of such an attack? One could only imagine. And all it takes is a man with firm determination ..." BTW, that's a fantastic example, how easy would it actually be to do that? Federal buildings have absurd levels of security, but anyone can still walk into just about any, if not any outright, shopping mall in America today with a duffle bag full of whatever they want probably with little to no attention. So allow me to ask, in nearly two years, why has this not happened already? Are we really to believe that we think that muslims believe that they're really going to get a bigger bang (pun intended) for their buck by contriving something complex like a school incident? Or by trying to blow up a plane with explosives in his underwear? At some point, and IMO this point was years ago shortly after 9/11, we have to begin asking ourselves, why are these things not happening given that the doors are wide open for it right here in our country? And correspondingly, when they do, why is there always enough evidence to suggest that the skids were greased by ushering someone around all of our complex security procedures by Feds while some kid's having a finger shoved up his ass by some psychotic TSA worker with an IQ less than the kid's underwear size? At some point intelligent reasoning people with sound critical thinking skills begin asking these things. Here's a short two-question quiz? 1. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America in a terrorist incident wrought by a muslim terrorist bent on killing Americans? Rank you answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home. 2. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America by anyone but a muslim extremist/terrorist, particularly by elements of the establishment. Again, rank your answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home. Get the point?
Nothing to do with Islam, nothing to do with Christianity, nothing to do with European-on-European violence. (And still nowhere near the scale of German city destruction during WWII.)
I know you don't, and I respect you for coming clean on that just to let you know. Your right about perceptions being fostered by people above our pay grade, but the old adage, do you believe everything you hear (read, see) certainly applies here. I mean who cares what they foster, if we, as independently thinking individuals via critical thinking and reasoning to ourselves either validate or dismiss what we hear, and dismiss it as we should, it would have no control over us. The problem is that people simply don't want to know. They're too lazy to dismiss the current paradigm consisting of satanic fantasies and to intellectually form another paradigm because it takes knowledge (that disrupts their entertainment regimen), time (same there), and mental effort (that they're too lazy to expend) in order to do so.
Allow me to ask you a question, two questions in fact. First, explain for me the differences between that school and WACO? Second, explain to me, in quite a bit of detail, the difference between your Turkish friend and the Weavers? Besides the latter being dead and your friend still alive that is. If you need info on the Weavers, and I doubt that you do, ask Christine.
Certainly not in modern times they haven't. Even on an individual scale, as I just asked randge, I fail to see the difference between that shool incident with the girls in Saudi Arabia and WACO. Until someone can explain the difference, if you ask me WACO was far more heinous, and it was government sponsored, meaning that the rest of the world truly could have tagged all Americans as having supported it and rightfully so. Imagine if the world's media had been promoting that day and night for years, and then OKC, and then our cop killings and beatings, etc. The big difference is that those things never even make the news here much less anywhere else for the most part. Boy, I wonder why, because it's not as if the fox is guarding the henhouse on that one or anything. (sarc) That looks like a very interesting site. It's all about the perceptions, and Americans are so lost without being told what to think by someone else that our media works like the charm that those that run and own it had planned. I have no doubt that they're beyond satisfied with their contrived "news & information" propaganda network(s).
It doesn't look like Islam made much of a dent in the world's population so I doubt that its conquering period slaughtered anything on the scale of Allied bombing during WWII: www.english-online.at/geo...rld-population-growth.htm
That is a great link to the Holocaust, thanx.
The Japanese atrocities, and there are many, can be laid at the feet of a people who thought a living man was a god. Not a good combo there. It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.
First, explain for me the differences between that school and WACO? Is it enough to say that both events are emblematic of regimes whose days are numbered? Second, explain to me, in quite a bit of detail, the difference between your Turkish friend and the Weavers? Besides the latter being dead and your friend still alive that is. If you need info on the Weavers, and I doubt that you do, ask Christine. That's an interesting and complex juxtaposition and I'm not sure that I can do it justice in the degree of detail you'd like. I don't want to get too graphic about my friend here, except to say that those who try to sponsor Western culture on a medium to large scale in Turkey can find themselves on the opposite sides of the law as far as local and regional authorities go. I suppose that there are similarities between that situation and the Christian Identity churches that the FedGov was trying to infiltrate by entrapping innocents like Randy Weaver. Plain political harassment. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Yeah, that's interesting. I guess we'll find out soon.
INdeed. Because of that, Japan was the only country to come out of WWII "a winner".
And you see no significant political harassment here? I'm trying to figure out why you view this with such differences. In my mind the only reasons why Americans focus on these things as such is because one is paraded in front of them day and night for weeks if not months while the other is covered up with Americans being too fool to think about it and/or too lazy to take the time to do so prior to running down the hall with their pants and hair on fire while shooting everything that moves. I see no practical difference in those things. With different media coverage America could be the exact same global pariah that these ME nations are. As to WACO and the school, I find equal or comparable tragedy in both. As is usual, Americans think that WACO was some sort of christian criminal policing act when there's nothing further from the truth and are too lazy and therefore willfully ignorant and/or too intellectually incompetent to reason through the transparent nature of it otherwise. An innocent person killed is an innocent person killed. When we start playing God, as we've been doing for decades, particularly given our moral position, or should I say immoral position, then that becomes the only difference, namely how those perceptions are managed and put forth, reinforced, etc. It's funny, I'll bet that if you posted a nationwide poll, or polls, asking these two questions, that the fears would be more in line with #2. 1) How afraid are you of actually being killed by a muslim led terrorist attack in your own nation? 2) How afraid are you of being incarcerated, harmed, or possibly even killed by the government or its henchmen (LE)?
I think you've misread me entirely. Perhaps I haven't expressed my sentiments clearly enough. I am in complete agreement with what you've said here. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
I'll stick with no one knows the time, not even the Son. Too many Hale Bobs to count over the centuries... “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Beats me. DHS claims the BIG issue is all about so-called "patriots." And so, just about anyone goes scott-free except for those wearing a libertarian badge. America is not "shattering." America is "coalescing." Nothing more to the social phenomena that is taking place all around the world. As Hillary Clinton infamously said, "What difference at this point does it make?" If you are beaten, killed, maimed, robbed, harmed, by any group, it really doesn't mean too much to seek comfort about who may have attacked you, does it? What is that? Beats me. Honestly, I have not considered the issue until your question just above. I am more concerned about the US government permitting Muslims from known terro cells to freely migrate to America that may do the damage that you address. We have an evil government that is HELL bent in destroying the fabric of America. The US government is not Christian. It never was. Give an example. Another Katrina?
Thanks for the link, Deasy. Good stuff there.
As a US tax payer, that is the entirety of what you get for your hard earned dollar; it is popularly called: public safety. Full protection of government and employees and none for the little guys/gals on the streets. With a wee bit o' luck, you should feel secure that your government is secure. I have no idea about how criminal minds operate. I can't answer your question. The associative property about terrorist Muslims is going to "stick" forever. T Silly question. Muslims represent no more than 3% of the population in America and that is all because of GWBush and 0bama. Your question is phrased with total ignorance and assumptions. Please pose a "question" worthy of a response. So far, your conjectures and aimless discussion goes into the brink. I am much more worried about US government agents stealing my money called "taxes" or their black-booted thugs kicking down my doors. Still, I have no idea why the US government is involved with importing Muslim nationals from all over the world and re-locating them in my neighbourhood. Do have a clue about the reasons? (3) It doesn't matter about who kills me. The terror is psychological in nature. In all cases, the US government is in command and control. No, I don't.
Skip ALL so called "veils," and PASS GO. Collect your Eternal Life. Like all great lies and propaganda, shards of truth are injected into this narrative. Including Jesus' quote, “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free” is the only "truth" that matters. The first few veils are valid and compelling. Until we get to the inevitable re-definition of "narrow is the road" to get to heaven, which winds up as just another "Tree of Knowledge," a la Adam and Eve. The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications... Caromed off the rail and over a cliff right here. "He's dead, Jim. Do not PASS GO. Go straight to jail (for eternity.) Thanks to the kikes.
I've already put you down on the Shabbos Goy list, JT :)
...and almost every day we get the forwarded e-mail about '12 muslim men/airplane/telephones/kicked off plane/etc. There are many here in the U.S. whose agenda tells us to believe that Muslims would prefer to kill 15 Muslim girls rather than letting them be disgraced by improper clothing. Reminds me of the Kuwaiti girl who testified about the incubator babies thrown onto the hospital floor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v94WsjWKQ3U
"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." Lod - Jake's best pal.
I think this a case of "ignorance is bliss." For all the knowledge of the first 3 or 4 veils, what good does it do us if there's nothing one can do to change it? Evil and greed and power have always been at odds with virtue and God's commandments. What people must accept: This world is steeped in darkness. Salvation is gained not through "knowledge." ???? Thread subject: The 9 Veils Placed On Every Human Soul There's plenty of meat on this bone. Just sayin'. Yes it is, if that knowledge is that of what is right and what isn't. Following the path of righteousness includes not harming any creature, and actually living the "Golden Rule". The path of righteousness is not that of SELF-righteousness, but doing that which is RIGHT vs WRONG. I suppose you can set the "line in the sand" for the difference between RIGHT vs. WRONG. Care to comment?
Ok. NOW I see how and where this thread went off the rails. Accepting or denying any group is fool hardy. That may depend on how large a "group" it is. How large a "group" are Muslims? Why blame any one group for following the Koran TO A TEE? Afterall, it's a "Religion of Peace." Even Dubya Bush said so. So did Barr-O. Wouldn't want become paranoid (cells) over any silly Sharia Law (coercion) or goofy Caliphate (conversion-by-the-sword) plans. It's pretty simple. Evaluate the Golden Rule, if what you are about to do follows it, then it's the right thing to do, and if it doesn't follow it, then it's the wrong thing.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIt's impossible to ignore the rich diversity Muslim culture has offered Europe. The EU is a sterling example of inclusion. Urp. And now it comes to Dearborn. Having lived among the black cloaked ones in NJ, I can tell you that the American melting pot thingie is something they intentionally ignore, and why a strong willed American women would choose to ignore this Islamic Sharia aberration is beyond me.
#21. To: randge (#16)
None of this need really affect us at all except insofar as we stick our noses into affairs that are none of our business or insofar as we import millions of Muslims into Western countries which heretofore have hosted such people in very small numbers. In either case we are looking for trouble.
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
In a surprise weekend vote,
#23. To: Katniss (#20)
#24. To: randge (#22)
#25. To: Katniss (#19)
Let's also not define an entire region over one incident at a school.
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
See Prof. MacDonald's The Culture of Critique
#27. To: Pridie Nones (#18)
Naw ... it could take place on one of your local shopping trips:
#28. To: Jethro Tull, Katniss (#23)
They are quick to reject barbaric acts by Islam, while simultaneously pushing forward crimes seemingly committed by Christians; the bombing of abortion clinics, and other assorted “hate” crimes.
#29. To: randge (#26)
www.prometheism.net/library/CultureOfCritique.pdf
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#29)
#31. To: Deasy (#28)
www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm
#32. To: Pridie Nones (#18)
At the end of the video, an unidentified man dressed in camouflage, with his face covered, calls for similar attacks at the Mall of America and elsewhere.
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
IMO the controversy has been created and fostered by ppl above our pay grade. They are quick to reject barbaric acts by Islam, while simultaneously pushing forward crimes seemingly committed by Christians; the bombing of abortion clinics, and other assorted “hate” crimes. Take this FWIW as I haven’t an organized religious bone in my body.
#35. To: randge, All (#25)
My point about the burning school building that the girls died in is that we should be cognizant that we very much support regimes where discrimination, repression and sectarian domination are realities today. One does not have to go far to find example of excess or barbarities that take place under Sharia law in those places as we speak.
#36. To: Deasy (#28)
Muslims have never come close to anything on the scale of this.
#37. To: Katniss (#36)
#38. To: Deasy (#37)
#39. To: Deasy (#33)
Nothing to do with Islam, nothing to do with Christianity, nothing to do with European-on-European violence
#40. To: Katniss (#35)
#41. To: christine (#11)
#42. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.
#43. To: randge (#40)
Plain political harassment.
#44. To: Katniss (#43)
As to WACO and the school, I find equal or comparable tragedy in both.
#45. To: Katniss, christine, 4 (#41)
#46. To: Katniss (#27)
With all of the muslims living within the US why do you think that this has not happened thus far?
Because we're shattering, I mean world-class shattering, the odds of this happening here given what we're taught about it all.
I mean the odds of being beaten to death, while completely innocent, are astronomically higher than the odds of being burned to death by a muslim. Astronomically!!
As in something's not lining up with mainstream teachings and education here.
I mean allow me to ask, where on your list of your fears of being killed does an attack by a muslim rank? ... here in America I mean, not if you walk the streets of Syria.
I'm thousands if not tens of thousands if times more worried about my own "christian government" doing that to me, or trying to send me to some camp for refusing to pay some medical insurance company $20K/year, more than most mortgages, for something that I don't need, don't want, and will rarely if ever benefit from.
Americans, generally speaking and myself included years ago prior to all of the new media, are fearful of the most unlikely things.
#47. To: Deasy (#28)
#48. To: Katniss (#32)
Federal buildings have absurd levels of security, but anyone can still walk into just about any, if not any outright, shopping mall in America today with a duffle bag full of whatever they want probably with little to no attention.
So allow me to ask, in nearly two years, why has this not happened already?
Are we really to believe that we think that muslims believe that they're really going to get a bigger bang (pun intended) for their buck by contriving something complex like a school incident? Or by trying to blow up a plane with explosives in his underwear?
At some point, and IMO this point was years ago shortly after 9/11, we have to begin asking ourselves, why are these things not happening given that the doors are wide open for it right here in our country?
And correspondingly, when they do, why is there always enough evidence to suggest that the skids were greased by ushering someone around all of our complex security procedures by Feds while some kid's having a finger shoved up his ass by some psychotic TSA worker with an IQ less than the kid's underwear size?
At some point intelligent reasoning people with sound critical thinking skills begin asking these things.
Here's a short two-question quiz?
1. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America in a terrorist incident wrought by a muslim terrorist bent on killing Americans?
Rank you answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home.
2. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America by anyone but a muslim extremist/terrorist, particularly by elements of the establishment. Again, rank your answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home.
Get the point?
#49. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)
Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways. Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space. This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic. Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.”
#50. To: Pridie Nones (#48)
The associative property about terrorist Muslims is going to "stick" forever. T
#51. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.
#52. To: Katniss (#43)
#53. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)
It´s not that those who don´t see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don´t want to see it” — they simply can´t see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.
#54. To: Deasy (#50)
Thanks to the kikes.
#55. To: Buzzard, Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#2)
When one preaches to the choir, one should expect more nods of agreement rather than an active point-counterpoint session.
#56. To: Liberator (#53)
Salvation is gained not through "knowledge."
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#57. To: FormerLurker (#56)
The path of righteousness is not that of SELF-righteousness, but doing that which is RIGHT vs WRONG.
#58. To: Cynicom (#10)
(another poster) "Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um."
#59. To: Pridie Nones (#57)
I suppose you can set the "line in the sand" for the difference between RIGHT vs. WRONG. Care to comment?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
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