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Title: USA army invasion in Narva Estonia!!! Next stop Ukraine!!!
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Published: Feb 24, 2015
Author: LiveLeak
Post Date: 2015-02-24 15:29:29 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 1751
Comments: 84


Poster Comment:

Sorry for the alarmist title but it's the actual title of the tube. And I have no idea if this is in Narva, Estonia so TIFWIW.

Go to 3:00 mins of the 'tube to see the Americna flags on the vehicles.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Go to 3:00 mins of the 'tube to see the Americna flags on the vehicles.

What the ...

Talk about American hubris.

Honestly, at what point does one pull the plug. I'm looking in the mirror of our national image and not at all liking what I see. If the US weren't the US Americans would be pissed! Not just pissed but fucking pissed.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-24   17:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Katniss (#1)

If this vid is accurate we are in a world of hurt. Our psychopathic & drug addled politicians are determined to kill us. And here we sit, dazed and confused totally incapable of defending ourselves.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-24   17:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

I concur.

I think that we really are staring WWIII in the eyes and that we won't get out of the year without it beginning en masse.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-24   17:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Going to need more ambulances I'd think. Really, where in the last 60 years has the US intervened without total air dominance? Can they expect to achieve it on Russia's border?

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Hmmmmm  posted on  2015-02-24   17:23:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

What we do KNOW...

Today Lithuania instituted conscription for their army.

First time in many years.

Why???

They know and Pooty Poot has made it very plain, the Baltic countries are next after Ukraine.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   17:51:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Here is what we are seeing, long in planning, yearly exercise.

"""WHAT IS SABER STRIKE?

Saber Strike is a long-standing, multilateral, multifaceted, U.S Army Europe-led security cooperation exercise primarily focused on the three Baltic States. The exercise spans multiple locations in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia and involves approximately 4,500 personnel from 10 countries.

This year’s exercise includes participation from: U.S. Air Force Europe; Air National Guard from Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Washington; Army National Guard from Louisiana, Michigan, North Dakota, Pennsylvania and Utah; Canada; Denmark; Estonia; Finland; Latvia; Lithuania; Norway; Poland and United Kingdom. This is the first year Denmark and Canada have participated in the exercise.

The exercise trains participants on command and control and interoperability with regional partners. It is comprised of a brigade-level command post exercise and computer-assisted exercise occurring at various sites in Lithuania and Estonia, including locations near Tartu, Vilnius, Pabrade, Amari and Tapa, as well as company-level field and situational training exercises taking place at the Adazi Training Area, Latvia."""""

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   17:55:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#6)

Saber Strike is a long-standing, multilateral, multifaceted, U.S Army Europe-led security cooperation exercise primarily focused on the three Baltic States. The exercise spans multiple locations in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia and involves approximately 4,500 personnel from 10 countries.

Excellent find.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-24   18:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

We have a lot of Neville Chamberlains.

If the US were not in Europe, Poot would have a Dacha on the Rivera.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   18:04:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#5)

They know and Pooty Poot has made it very plain, the Baltic countries are next after Ukraine.

Can you provide evidence of this?

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   18:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Deasy (#9)

Evidence????

This is not a criminal case, I am not on trial.

Any intelligent person that keeps abreast of world happenings is well aware that the...foreign... media has been saying for months that the Baltic states were next.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   18:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I'm thinking that somebody is playing a joke, U.S. armored columns don't fly the flag like that.

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X-15  posted on  2015-02-24   18:08:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deasy (#9)

Deasy...

The Asian media is also warning that China is active in Hawaii, backing native Hawaiians that want their country back.

You will not find that in American media.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   18:13:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

Point of interest...

Lithuania went with draft today...they have a standing army of 17,000. I believe they have no air force, cannot recall.

Poot said he could take all of them in two days and he was correct.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   18:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#10)

foreign... media has been saying for months that the Baltic states were next.

Is this a reason to believe? Sources supporting your argument: Reuters, UK Telegraph, the UK Times, UK Independent, and that's just on one search page. It looks to me as if the higher ups know that they've gone a bridge too far in the Ukraine and that they're ready to be punished for it.

Yet my predictions have held: the Proxy War in Ukraine is cooling down with Nuvo-Russian territory being held approximately where it began after the collapse of the Ukraine government due to CIA meddling.

It looks like Obama failed to follow up with the CIA's preference for air strikes to back up the counter-revolutionary Ukraine guard.

But face has been lost in the EU, so saber rattling continues.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   18:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deasy (#14)

Is this a reason to believe?

That is an insult to my intelligence.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   18:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#15)

Not at all. I've learned not to trust the press.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   18:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deasy (#16)

That is no excuse for being a turtle.

I read all sorts of media, mostly foreign, even Tel Aviv.

The object is to separate the wheat from the chaff.

What I posted above about the operation in Estonia is American media and every word is true.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   18:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#17)

Except that the Russians aren't coming unless we continue to invite them. Obama didn't send in aircraft, so they're not feeling compelled to do any such thing. It's unfortunate for John McCain that his meddling in the CIA didn't work out as planned, but saner minds prevailed.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   18:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: X-15 (#11)

I'm thinking that somebody is playing a joke, U.S. armored columns don't fly the flag like that.

It could be and who knows where/when this vid was taken. Believe LiveLeak at your own peril. Operation Saber Strike is real, however. It's been ongoing since 2013 but again, who knows?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-24   18:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

I had seen a reference to a US directed NATO battalion formed from Baltic and Polish units which will be sent to reinforce a faltering Ukraine against its delinquent eastern provinces, which are soon to become Russia's new western republics.

Can't find the link now but there is this to chew on:

www.armytimes.com/story/m.../2015/02/20/army-expands- atlantic- resolve/23693557/

Clock's ticking. Is this 1938 or 1939?

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   18:48:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#5)

They know and Pooty Poot has made it very plain, the Baltic countries are next after Ukraine.

Do you have any facts to back up your allegations, or are you simply a disciple of Juan McCain and believe every lunatic rant out of his lying mouth?

I ask this because thus far Russia has not done squat in Ukraine, contrary to the wild-assed lies coming from Juan McCain, John Kerry, and other such psychopaths.

When they have to rely on photos from 2008 of Russian tanks, and claim that the pictures were taken recently in Ukraine, a person with at least average intelligence would know they have NOTHING factual to report so they need to conjure up lies and images from 7 years ago in order to convince the weak- minded out there that the Russians are "invading" Ukraine.

If anything, it is the US which has invaded the Baltic states, leveraging those people's fears and hatred of the former Soviet Union in order to convince them to accept US forces on their territory, right up against Russian Federation borders.

C'mon Cyni, you can't play dumb and at the same time call yourself a geopolitical expert.

Do you really wish to see WWIII in your lifetime Cyni? It seems to me you're a huge cheerleader for confrontation against Russia, and use simplistic arguments such as "Pooty Poot" is a bad man who wants to rebuild the Soviet Empire, where in realty President Putin is the world's most level headed leader and statesmen at the current time, and drastically better than any US president since the days of JFK. Putin simply wishes to keep peace and to build RUSSIA'S economy and defend it against aggression. Right now, OUR country is the aggressor.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   19:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#8)

We have a lot of Neville Chamberlains.

Imagine a better world.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   19:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: randge (#20)

Can you link me again, randge?

Txs.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-24   19:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: FormerLurker, Cynicom (#21)

Cynicom appears to have bought into the initial assumption that America had to become an empire to save itself. This was a fear-based proposal from the start.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   19:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: randge (#20)

I had seen a reference to a battalion formed from Baltic and Polish units which will be sent to reinforce a faltering Ukraine against its delinquent eastern provinces, which are soon to become Russia's new western republics.

If NATO insists on arming the nazis in Kiev and engages in genocide against the population of East Ukraine, then what you say is the most likely outcome.

I doubt Russia would sit by idlely while the US and the rest of NATO are slaughtering people of Russian heritage right on the Russian border.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   19:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

Try copy/paste on this:

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/02/20/army-expands- atlantic-resolve/23693557/

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   19:06:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: randge, Jethro Tull (#26)

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/02/20/army-expands-atlantic-resolve/23693557/

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   19:07:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Deasy (#22)

Imagine a better world.

I recall Neville well, the peace in our time bit.

Americans did not buy into that at all. We knew what was coming, so did the government.

Appeasement has never worked, will never work. Pooty Poot is going the same route as Hitler, pick them off one at a time.

Good bad or indifferent, WWII eliminated four dictator governments, hell bent on world control.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   19:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deasy, Cynicom (#24)

This was a fear-based proposal from the start.

It was a false dichotomy between good and bad, where whatever the powers that be who control our government wanted to do was "good", and the target at the time, no matter who it was (or is), was "bad".

In reality it's brainwashing, and some people were (and are) more susceptable than others. Needless to say, our masters have perfected the science of propaganda, well past the feats of Joseph Goebbels.

If Cyni is for real and not some made-up character on the Internet, it's rather sad that a person of his supposed wisdom has fallen victim to such propaganda, and has never been able to see what is real and what isn't.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   19:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

I found the place, and it's an audio file of Bro Nathaniel talking to Jeff Rense. (Scratch "battalion." It's brigade.) Check it out at the 5:00 min. mark.

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Feb2015/Bt3L61/rense_021015 _hr3.mp3

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   19:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#28)

Americans did not buy into that at all. We knew what was coming, so did the government.

Somehow you always end up siding with the Jewish version of history, subscribed by FDR, and pushed out through the Jewish-controlled media of your youth. I prefer Charles Lindbergh's Fortress America approach, not the fear-driven antifascist view.

Imagine a better world.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   19:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge, Jethro Tull (#30)

http://rense.gsradio.net/rense/http/MP3Download/Feb2015/Bt3L61/rense_021015 _hr3.mp3

Randge, you're having link problems today :)

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   19:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#28)

Pooty Poot is going the same route as Hitler

Obama is going the same route as Hitler

There, fixed it for you. Are you totally unaware that the US imposed government in Ukraine has a large number of NAZIS within it? Why would a government such as ours overthrow a legitimately elected government and replace it with NAZIS, eh Cyni?

How is what OUR country is doing at the moment the fault of the target of our aggression? Did you agree with Bush in that we HAD to go after Saddam because he was about to nuke NYC?

Are you sure you're NOT GW Bush, since he loved to use gay pet names for people in his life, like Turd Blossom and such...


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   19:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deasy (#31) (Edited)

Somehow you always end up siding with the Jewish version of history,

That is an opinion based on bias.

Fact...In the late 1930s we had a battery radio that worked well at night.

FDR said he would never draft American boys to fight in foreign wars...my Father would yell at the radio.. ...you lying SOB...

My brother went, never came back and Deasy has the audacity to declare I was a FDR lover.

That is the limit, incredulous.

We lived it, we fought it for Gods sake.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   19:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#8) (Edited)

If the US were not in Europe, Poot would have a Dacha on the Rivera.

If the US were not in Europe, then perhaps we'd have a chance for world peace, but then again we ARE funding terrorists throughout the Middle East, so I guess not.

What part of the US and NATO DESTABILIZED UKRAINE and instigated not just the overthrow of their government, but are directly responsible for their civil war do you fail to understand?

Is it that you just find it amusing to cheer on a war which could kill billions of people, just because you're bored with your own life?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   19:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#34) (Edited)

We lived it, we fought it for Gods sake.

My father fought Nazis in WWII, and so did many other Americans. Now people like you side with those Nazis and place them into power where they can again extinguish the lives of innocent people.

You disgust me.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   19:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom (#34)

My brother went, never came back and Deasy has the audacity to declare I was a FDR lover.

Shed blood doesn't make a thing worthwhile. Your views do align well with FDR's on matters of the war.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   19:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#28)

I recall Neville well, the peace in our time bit.

Americans did not buy into that at all.

Just nuts like Lindbergh, right?

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   19:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Deasy (#37)

Shed blood doesn't make a thing worthwhile. Your views do align well with FDR's on matters of the war.

What does the bowman do when his quiver is empty????

It is lighter, is it not?

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   19:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deasy, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, FormerLurker (#31)

There are parallels with Hitler here. If you've read the work of the original WWII revisionist A.J.P. Taylor, The Origins of the Second World War, you'll see how Hitler was drawn into conflict increasingly against his wishes and/or timetable in many respects.

In the Ruhr, the Sudetenland, Austria, Danzig, Hitler was borne along on a wave of resurgent German nationalism which I don't believe that he could have resisted even if he'd had a mind to.

Poland was the trap that Churchill's bunch set for Hitler who was not aware of the secret undertakings that Britain and France had with Warsaw.

Putin is playing a much cagier game. They haven't caught him out yet in an aggression they can point to which would justify a Western assault.

Not yet.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   19:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom (#10)

Any intelligent person that keeps abreast of world happenings is well aware that the...foreign... media has been saying for months that the Baltic states were next.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   19:45:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Deasy, cynicom (#31)

Charles Lindbergh's Fortress America

I should have kept reading, but I had an urgent need to point out to Cyni that millions of patriotic Americans were against wasting blood and treasure in yet another European conflict.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   19:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: randge (#40)

Hitler had the Jews, Obama has whitey. Lesson learned! :)

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   19:48:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Dakmar (#38)

Just nuts like Lindbergh, right?

And Father Caughlin, dont forget him.

For you I will explain the obvious.

Americans were not stupid, Chamberlain waving the paper around was good press, however, Americans knew full well war was coming. We did NOT BUY INTO HIS THEATER ACT, neither did Churchill.

FDR wanted war, Churchill wanted war, for those of us that were there, WE KNEW WE WOULD HAVE WAR.

I hope that helps.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   19:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Dakmar (#42)

Cyni wasn't cynical enough in those days.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   19:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: randge (#40)

Putin is playing a much cagier game. They haven't caught him out yet in an aggression they can point to which would justify a Western assault.

I don't know how anyone with an ounce of intelligence can believe Russia is doing anything beyond defending itself from western aggression, ranging from the violent overthrow of a friendly government on its border, encirclement of its borders with hostile troops and missiles, to economic sanctions hurting their economy.

Our nation is committing acts of war against a nuclear armed nation which has done nothing to merit such treatment.

Yet to some, it's all "Pooty Poot's" doing.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   19:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: FormerLurker, All (#35)

If the US were not in Europe, then perhaps we'd have a chance for world peace, but then again we ARE funding terrorists throughout the Middle East, so I guess not.

Right you are.

ISIS boys are al Baghdadi's children - al Baghdadi, the bosom brother of John McCain.

ISIS who take cover under Israeli guns and get their wounds tended to in Israeli hospitals.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   19:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#44)

FDR wanted war, Churchill wanted war, for those of us that were there, WE KNEW WE WOULD HAVE WAR.

So did Wilson and McKinley. What did we get out of that? WWII and Puerto Rico. Whoopee!

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   19:55:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: randge (#40)

Then as now, when WWII started, it was given scant attention that Russia also invaded Poland, took two thirds of the country to one third for Hitler.

At that time it was never mentioned that Russia invaded Poland with Hitler.

I do not recall anything pertaining to Russia starting WWII.

They only came into public focus when Hitler invaded them.

So yes, we had a media then that printed what they wanted you to know.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   19:55:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Dakmar (#42)

I had an urgent need to point out to Cyni that millions of patriotic Americans were against wasting blood and treasure in yet another European conflict.

I had thought of mentioning that but it seemed futile.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   19:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Dakmar (#48)

. Whoopee!

Dont dismiss it lightly, your future depends on it.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   19:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: FormerLurker (#46)

I don't know how anyone with an ounce of intelligence can believe Russia is doing anything beyond defending itself from western aggression

I agree that they are not.

By the same token, Hitler was defending the lives and the rights of German minorities (and in places majorities) who were under ethnic and economic pressure as well as outright physical attack.

He was under immense pressure to defend those populations. I find the parallels striking myself. And a little scary.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   19:57:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom (#49)

Then as now, when WWII started, it was given scant attention that Russia also invaded Poland, took two thirds of the country to one third for Hitler.

Are you referring to that part of Ukraine which used to be Poland? How do you account for the Ukraine Nazi division which helped exterminate Poles?

Might THAT be the "Russians" you mention, where in fact it was Ukraine Nazis, the same bunch of like minded folks who now control the government there?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#49)

Earlier Poland was only too glad to take a chunk out of Czechoslovakia when the Sudetenland went to the Reich.

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randge  posted on  2015-02-24   20:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom, randge, Dakmar (#49) (Edited)

They only came into public focus when Hitler invaded them.

If we weren't under the control of World Jewry, and our own interests were in mind, we would have required the UK not to declare war on Germany over its invasion of Poland as it had announced just weeks before that it would if Germany pushed for Danzig, which is what it said it wanted. If war had been our preference, at the very least we should have chosen sides against the Soviets and fought along side the Germans against them.

Millions of lives would have been saved. We wouldn't be at war with the Arabs. We wouldn't have the threat of communist China on our hands. Your hated Russians wouldn't be a global power today.

But all of this was lost on your youthful exuberance for American hegemony.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: randge (#52)

He was under immense pressure to defend those populations. I find the parallels striking myself. And a little scary.

I don't see that as the motivating factor. Launching a war of conquest against neighboring countries and those on other continents is not a matter of "defense", and using police state tactics against civilians is not "defending" that population.

If you look at the actual parallels, OUR nation is not much different than Nazi Germany (police state, propaganda, wars of conquest) and we ARE going around the world attempting to take control of ALL of it.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: FormerLurker (#53)

"Occupation of Poland 1939" by Lonio17 - Own work. Licensed under GFDL via Wikimedia Commons - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Occupation_of_Poland_1939.png#mediaviewer /File:Occupation_of_Poland_1939.png

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randge  posted on  2015-02-24   20:06:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Deasy (#55)

Deasy...History is not for everyone, that is apparent.

Homework....Read Witness, all 800 pages, come back and we can discuss.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   20:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#58)

Not a word in Witness would justify fighting Hitler instead of the Soviets.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: randge (#57)

So yep, what is now the western part of Ukraine was once part of Poland, and those whose ancestors came from there hate the Russians (who they equate with Soviets), and collaborated with the Nazis.

14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician)


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: FormerLurker (#60)

Europeans (non-Jews) are unanimous in preferring Nazi occupation to Soviet. I hope you know that.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:25:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deasy (#61)

So you're telling me that Poland, France, Italy, and the rest all wished that the Nazis had won the war?

Got proof of that?


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FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: FormerLurker (#60)

Fans of the FC Karpaty Lviv football club honoring the Waffen-SS Galizien division, Lviv, Ukraine, 2013

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randge  posted on  2015-02-24   20:29:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: randge (#57)

Here's a bit of info about a tiff between Poland and Ukrainians back in 1918- 1919, decades prior to the Soviet takeover of Eastern Poland.

Polish– Ukrainian War

"PBW March 1919". Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PBW_March_1919.png#mediaviewer/File:PBW_M arch_1919.png


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:34:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FormerLurker, randge (#62)

So you're telling me that Poland, France, Italy, and the rest all wished that the Nazis had won the war?

Italy and France were not first occupied by Soviets, then occupied by Germans, then Occupied by Soviets for the remainder of the cold war. During the Warsaw Pact period, there were many people who rued the day the Soviets drove out the Nazis, bringing a real anti-European, communist Police State with them.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Deasy (#59)

Just for fun, with time to waste, on the internet, read how Germany and Japan were going to carve up the world after they won.

It is hilarious now, but they were serious then. Read Witness also, busy for awhile.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   20:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: randge (#63)

Fans of the FC Karpaty Lviv football club honoring the Waffen-SS Galizien division, Lviv, Ukraine, 2013

We are again repeating the mistakes made in the past.

And quite a few are either ignorant of it or approve of it.

I suppose when our cities end up like German cities during WWII or worse, people will realize something bad is going on.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:39:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Deasy (#65)

During the Warsaw Pact period, there were many people who rued the day the Soviets drove out the Nazis, bringing a real anti-European, communist Police State with them.

So in your opinion, a Nazi or fascist police state is better than a communist police state, right?

The thing is, MOST people don't wish to live under ANY police state.

And how did those Poles who were massacred by the Ukraine SS love the Nazi police state more than the Soviet one?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Cynicom (#66)

... read how Germany and Japan were going to carve up the world after they won.

Once the UK and Americans started the war with them, or before?

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: FormerLurker (#67)

I suppose when our cities end up like German cities during WWII or worse, people will realize something bad is going on.

Something far worse has destroyed US cities.

Exhibit 1: Detroit

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   20:45:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: FormerLurker (#67)

When our cities end up like German cities during WWII or worse, people will realize something bad was going on.

Human tend to learn these lessons in retrospect.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   20:46:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: FormerLurker (#68)

So in your opinion, a Nazi or fascist police state is better than a communist police state, right?

Doch.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:46:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Dakmar, Jethro Tull (#70)

Something far worse has destroyed US cities.

I'm hoping Jethro is reading, and comprehending.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Dakmar (#70)

Something far worse has destroyed US cities.

Exhibit 1: Detroit

That's all part of the "plan" I'm sure.

But thermonuclear damage is a bit worse than that I think...


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FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: randge (#71)

Human tend to learn these lessons in retrospect.

Israel is running our port security now.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:49:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: FormerLurker, Deasy (#68)

So in your opinion, a Nazi or fascist police state is better than a communist police state, right?

Balancing real life responsibilities with those The State(TM) arbitrarily imposes?

Tough call :)

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Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   20:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Deasy (#72) (Edited)

Doch

I take it you mean yes?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Dakmar (#76)

Balancing real life responsibilities with those The State(TM) arbitrarily imposes?

Yeah, but they've pretty much already imposed whatever they want upon not just us, but those they want to steal from next.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: FormerLurker (#74)

But thermonuclear damage is a bit worse than that I think...

Seems more recoverable, tragic as that is.

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Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   20:59:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: FormerLurker (#78)

they've pretty much already imposed whatever they want upon not just us, but those they want to steal from next.

quae non abstulit adhuc enim gratiam

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Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   21:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Dakmar (#80)

quae non abstulit adhuc enim gratiam

Hmmm, a Latin translator gives me "which do not disappear, but the grace".

Is that philosophical in nature?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   21:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: FormerLurker (#81) (Edited)

So much for free translators, lol. It started out as "be thankful for what the state has not taken". I should call my local Post Office, get their opinion...

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Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   21:23:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: FormerLurker, Dakmar (#81) (Edited)

FormerLurker: they've pretty much already imposed whatever they want upon not just us, but those they want to steal from next.

Dakmar: quae non abstulit adhuc enim gratiam

FormerLurker: Hmmm, a Latin translator gives me "which do not disappear, but the grace". Is that philosophical in nature?

Dakmar: So much for free translators, lol. It started out as "be thankful for what the state has not taken". I should call my local Post Office, get their opinion...

I got a translation something like: "For which favor is still not removed."

Edited to expand quote section + punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-24   21:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Deasy (#73)

I'm hoping Jethro is reading, and comprehending.

I haven't a clue what your saying, or in your great humility (dare I say hubris?), trying to teach me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-25   8:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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