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Title: USA army invasion in Narva Estonia!!! Next stop Ukraine!!!
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Published: Feb 24, 2015
Author: LiveLeak
Post Date: 2015-02-24 15:29:29 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 1827
Comments: 84


Poster Comment:

Sorry for the alarmist title but it's the actual title of the tube. And I have no idea if this is in Narva, Estonia so TIFWIW.

Go to 3:00 mins of the 'tube to see the Americna flags on the vehicles.

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#45. To: Dakmar (#42)

Cyni wasn't cynical enough in those days.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   19:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: randge (#40)

Putin is playing a much cagier game. They haven't caught him out yet in an aggression they can point to which would justify a Western assault.

I don't know how anyone with an ounce of intelligence can believe Russia is doing anything beyond defending itself from western aggression, ranging from the violent overthrow of a friendly government on its border, encirclement of its borders with hostile troops and missiles, to economic sanctions hurting their economy.

Our nation is committing acts of war against a nuclear armed nation which has done nothing to merit such treatment.

Yet to some, it's all "Pooty Poot's" doing.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   19:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: FormerLurker, All (#35)

If the US were not in Europe, then perhaps we'd have a chance for world peace, but then again we ARE funding terrorists throughout the Middle East, so I guess not.

Right you are.

ISIS boys are al Baghdadi's children - al Baghdadi, the bosom brother of John McCain.

ISIS who take cover under Israeli guns and get their wounds tended to in Israeli hospitals.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   19:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#44)

FDR wanted war, Churchill wanted war, for those of us that were there, WE KNEW WE WOULD HAVE WAR.

So did Wilson and McKinley. What did we get out of that? WWII and Puerto Rico. Whoopee!

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   19:55:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: randge (#40)

Then as now, when WWII started, it was given scant attention that Russia also invaded Poland, took two thirds of the country to one third for Hitler.

At that time it was never mentioned that Russia invaded Poland with Hitler.

I do not recall anything pertaining to Russia starting WWII.

They only came into public focus when Hitler invaded them.

So yes, we had a media then that printed what they wanted you to know.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   19:55:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Dakmar (#42)

I had an urgent need to point out to Cyni that millions of patriotic Americans were against wasting blood and treasure in yet another European conflict.

I had thought of mentioning that but it seemed futile.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   19:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Dakmar (#48)

. Whoopee!

Dont dismiss it lightly, your future depends on it.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   19:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: FormerLurker (#46)

I don't know how anyone with an ounce of intelligence can believe Russia is doing anything beyond defending itself from western aggression

I agree that they are not.

By the same token, Hitler was defending the lives and the rights of German minorities (and in places majorities) who were under ethnic and economic pressure as well as outright physical attack.

He was under immense pressure to defend those populations. I find the parallels striking myself. And a little scary.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   19:57:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom (#49)

Then as now, when WWII started, it was given scant attention that Russia also invaded Poland, took two thirds of the country to one third for Hitler.

Are you referring to that part of Ukraine which used to be Poland? How do you account for the Ukraine Nazi division which helped exterminate Poles?

Might THAT be the "Russians" you mention, where in fact it was Ukraine Nazis, the same bunch of like minded folks who now control the government there?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#49)

Earlier Poland was only too glad to take a chunk out of Czechoslovakia when the Sudetenland went to the Reich.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   20:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom, randge, Dakmar (#49) (Edited)

They only came into public focus when Hitler invaded them.

If we weren't under the control of World Jewry, and our own interests were in mind, we would have required the UK not to declare war on Germany over its invasion of Poland as it had announced just weeks before that it would if Germany pushed for Danzig, which is what it said it wanted. If war had been our preference, at the very least we should have chosen sides against the Soviets and fought along side the Germans against them.

Millions of lives would have been saved. We wouldn't be at war with the Arabs. We wouldn't have the threat of communist China on our hands. Your hated Russians wouldn't be a global power today.

But all of this was lost on your youthful exuberance for American hegemony.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: randge (#52)

He was under immense pressure to defend those populations. I find the parallels striking myself. And a little scary.

I don't see that as the motivating factor. Launching a war of conquest against neighboring countries and those on other continents is not a matter of "defense", and using police state tactics against civilians is not "defending" that population.

If you look at the actual parallels, OUR nation is not much different than Nazi Germany (police state, propaganda, wars of conquest) and we ARE going around the world attempting to take control of ALL of it.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: FormerLurker (#53)

"Occupation of Poland 1939" by Lonio17 - Own work. Licensed under GFDL via Wikimedia Commons - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Occupation_of_Poland_1939.png#mediaviewer /File:Occupation_of_Poland_1939.png

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   20:06:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Deasy (#55)

Deasy...History is not for everyone, that is apparent.

Homework....Read Witness, all 800 pages, come back and we can discuss.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   20:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#58)

Not a word in Witness would justify fighting Hitler instead of the Soviets.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: randge (#57)

So yep, what is now the western part of Ukraine was once part of Poland, and those whose ancestors came from there hate the Russians (who they equate with Soviets), and collaborated with the Nazis.

14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician)


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: FormerLurker (#60)

Europeans (non-Jews) are unanimous in preferring Nazi occupation to Soviet. I hope you know that.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:25:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deasy (#61)

So you're telling me that Poland, France, Italy, and the rest all wished that the Nazis had won the war?

Got proof of that?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: FormerLurker (#60)

Fans of the FC Karpaty Lviv football club honoring the Waffen-SS Galizien division, Lviv, Ukraine, 2013

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   20:29:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: randge (#57)

Here's a bit of info about a tiff between Poland and Ukrainians back in 1918- 1919, decades prior to the Soviet takeover of Eastern Poland.

Polish– Ukrainian War

"PBW March 1919". Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PBW_March_1919.png#mediaviewer/File:PBW_M arch_1919.png


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:34:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FormerLurker, randge (#62)

So you're telling me that Poland, France, Italy, and the rest all wished that the Nazis had won the war?

Italy and France were not first occupied by Soviets, then occupied by Germans, then Occupied by Soviets for the remainder of the cold war. During the Warsaw Pact period, there were many people who rued the day the Soviets drove out the Nazis, bringing a real anti-European, communist Police State with them.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Deasy (#59)

Just for fun, with time to waste, on the internet, read how Germany and Japan were going to carve up the world after they won.

It is hilarious now, but they were serious then. Read Witness also, busy for awhile.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-24   20:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: randge (#63)

Fans of the FC Karpaty Lviv football club honoring the Waffen-SS Galizien division, Lviv, Ukraine, 2013

We are again repeating the mistakes made in the past.

And quite a few are either ignorant of it or approve of it.

I suppose when our cities end up like German cities during WWII or worse, people will realize something bad is going on.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:39:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Deasy (#65)

During the Warsaw Pact period, there were many people who rued the day the Soviets drove out the Nazis, bringing a real anti-European, communist Police State with them.

So in your opinion, a Nazi or fascist police state is better than a communist police state, right?

The thing is, MOST people don't wish to live under ANY police state.

And how did those Poles who were massacred by the Ukraine SS love the Nazi police state more than the Soviet one?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Cynicom (#66)

... read how Germany and Japan were going to carve up the world after they won.

Once the UK and Americans started the war with them, or before?

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: FormerLurker (#67)

I suppose when our cities end up like German cities during WWII or worse, people will realize something bad is going on.

Something far worse has destroyed US cities.

Exhibit 1: Detroit

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   20:45:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: FormerLurker (#67)

When our cities end up like German cities during WWII or worse, people will realize something bad was going on.

Human tend to learn these lessons in retrospect.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-24   20:46:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: FormerLurker (#68)

So in your opinion, a Nazi or fascist police state is better than a communist police state, right?

Doch.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:46:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Dakmar, Jethro Tull (#70)

Something far worse has destroyed US cities.

I'm hoping Jethro is reading, and comprehending.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Dakmar (#70)

Something far worse has destroyed US cities.

Exhibit 1: Detroit

That's all part of the "plan" I'm sure.

But thermonuclear damage is a bit worse than that I think...


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: randge (#71)

Human tend to learn these lessons in retrospect.

Israel is running our port security now.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-24   20:49:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: FormerLurker, Deasy (#68)

So in your opinion, a Nazi or fascist police state is better than a communist police state, right?

Balancing real life responsibilities with those The State(TM) arbitrarily imposes?

Tough call :)

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   20:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Deasy (#72) (Edited)

Doch

I take it you mean yes?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Dakmar (#76)

Balancing real life responsibilities with those The State(TM) arbitrarily imposes?

Yeah, but they've pretty much already imposed whatever they want upon not just us, but those they want to steal from next.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   20:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: FormerLurker (#74)

But thermonuclear damage is a bit worse than that I think...

Seems more recoverable, tragic as that is.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   20:59:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: FormerLurker (#78)

they've pretty much already imposed whatever they want upon not just us, but those they want to steal from next.

quae non abstulit adhuc enim gratiam

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   21:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Dakmar (#80)

quae non abstulit adhuc enim gratiam

Hmmm, a Latin translator gives me "which do not disappear, but the grace".

Is that philosophical in nature?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-24   21:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: FormerLurker (#81) (Edited)

So much for free translators, lol. It started out as "be thankful for what the state has not taken". I should call my local Post Office, get their opinion...

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-24   21:23:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: FormerLurker, Dakmar (#81) (Edited)

FormerLurker: they've pretty much already imposed whatever they want upon not just us, but those they want to steal from next.

Dakmar: quae non abstulit adhuc enim gratiam

FormerLurker: Hmmm, a Latin translator gives me "which do not disappear, but the grace". Is that philosophical in nature?

Dakmar: So much for free translators, lol. It started out as "be thankful for what the state has not taken". I should call my local Post Office, get their opinion...

I got a translation something like: "For which favor is still not removed."

Edited to expand quote section + punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-24   21:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Deasy (#73)

I'm hoping Jethro is reading, and comprehending.

I haven't a clue what your saying, or in your great humility (dare I say hubris?), trying to teach me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-25   8:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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