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Title: Obama Believes He Alone Is The Law In America
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Published: Feb 27, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-03-02 16:58:37 by BTP Holdings
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Obama Believes He Alone Is The Law In America

02/27/2015 06:28 PM ET

President Obama speaks during a town hall meeting on immigration, hosted Wednesday by Telemundo and MSNBC, at Florida International University in... President Obama speaks during a town hall meeting on immigration, hosted Wednesday by Telemundo and MSNBC, at Florida International University in...

Rule Of Law: First, the president issues unlawful executive orders giving illegal immigrants amnesty. Then, he dares an equal branch of government to vote on his orders' legality so he can veto it. Is he establishing a monarchy?

While speaking at a town hall meeting Wednesday night at Florida International University, President Obama clearly indicated that he believes he is the final authority on law in this country. He will not tolerate dissent.

"If Mr. McConnell, the leader of the Senate, and the Speaker of the House, John Boehner, want to have a vote on whether what I'm doing is legal or not, they can have that vote. I will veto that vote, because I'm absolutely confident that what we're doing is the right thing to do," he told a group organized by Democratic Rep. Jose Diaz-Balart.

In November, Obama announced a set of unilateral actions to change the immigration system. Government agencies were ordered not to enforce the law against up to 5 million illegal immigrants in the country. He also declared that they would not be subject to deportation and were to be handed green cards.

There was no vote in Congress. No consultation with the House and Senate. No law cited that gave him the authority. Just his word.

A month ago, we wondered if Obama was "so hellbent on amnesty for illegals he'll resort to nullifying and even breaking the law." Today, we know that he is.

Not even a federal judge's ruling has stopped him from making and unmaking law as he sees fit. On Feb. 16, Southern Texas District Judge Andrew Hanen issued a temporary injunction against the administration's executive lawmaking. "No, Mr. President," said the George W. Bush appointee, "you and your party's long-term political agenda are not above the law."

The administration wants Hanen's order lifted, but one should assume that even if the courts don't rule Obama's way, the White House will eventually do as it wishes and challenge the courts to stop it, just as it has taunted Congress.

Several times during Obama's six years in office he has insisted he's not a king able to act alone. He said it right up until he began to overtly behave as one.

House Speaker John Boehner's office counted 22 times that Obama said "he couldn't ignore or create his own immigration law."

Yet at a time of his choosing, the president decided he could indeed create his own immigration law, just as he made changes to the Affordable Care Act as if it were his own set of commandments handed down from on high.

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Obummer is in no way the final word on what the law says. The Supreme Court has the final say. ;)

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0) (Edited)

Rule Of Law: First, the president issues unlawful executive orders giving illegal immigrants amnesty. Then, he dares an equal branch of government to vote on his orders' legality so he can veto it. Is he establishing a monarchy?

Read More At Investor's Business Daily: news.investors.com/ibd-ed...he- isnt.htm#ixzz3TGfhZDh0

Obama well represents the political left, which has no time or respect for constitutional limits, the rule of law or power shared among the three branches.

Today's leftists, loosely defined as "progressives," want raw political power to enact their agenda.

Obama: 'Consequences' for ICE Officials Who Don't Follow Executive Amnesty - YouTube, 46 second video

OBAMA WARNS ICE: Don't you dare enforce immigration law - Comments:

"He compared it to the military where soldiers 'are expected to follow' orders given by their superiors. Isn't this the same excuse that Nazi's used after WWII, that they were not to blame for what they did, but were just being good soldiers and following orders."

"ICE Agents take [an] oath of office [...]. The President cannot order anybody to 'ignore' the law. It is in it's self a 'unlawful' order."

Article VI of the United States Constitution, Clause 3: Oaths [ICE, afaik]

Federal and state legislators, executive officers and judges are, by the third clause of the article, bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. [So help me God.]

Boehner: Obama ‘Defied His Oath Of Office’ And Constitution With Executive Amnesty [VIDEO] - dailycaller.com, 53 second interview. Excerpted from the 2 paragraph Transcript:

HOST CHRIS WALLACE

BOEHNER: Remember Chris, the president said 22 times that he did not have authority to do what he eventually did. And the Congress just can’t sit by and let the President defy the Constitution and defy his own oath of office. So the House acted. Now it’s time for the Senate to act.

Article II of the United States Constitution, Section 1, Clause 8: Oath or Affirmation, Presidential

Before he enters the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Obama does it again..Oath of office mess up twice 2009 and 2013 - YouTube, 1 minute 44 second video. Comments:

"he's probably the only president to ever mess up the oath twice...you'd think he'd get it right the second time or is it the 3rd time because they had to do it twice last time?"

"it was actually the 4th time.. this year they had one [sequestered recital] the day before the public ceremony... "

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GreyLmist  posted on  2015-03-05   10:43:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GreyLmist (#1)

BOEHNER: Remember Chris, the president said 22 times that he did not have authority to do what he eventually did.

What Obama actually said was that, essentially, he had no authority to grant them permanent entry. His only action could be deferment actions which is what his *directives* have done...

war  posted on  2015-03-05   12:24:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: war (#4)

What Obama actually said was that, essentially, he had no authority to grant them permanent entry. His only action could be deferment actions which is what his *directives* have done...

Apparently you don't realize the power of Presidential executive orders that become binding law forever.

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-03-06   23:10:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Pridie Nones (#15) (Edited)

Apparently you don't realize the power of Presidential executive orders

Can you link me to these particular executive orders, please?

that become binding law forever.

The most recent immigration action, which you all mistakenly call an *executive order* because people who know how gullible you all are have called it that in their writings and rantings, has been stayed by a Federal Judge. So, it is NOT *law* not that it was when the directive was issued.

war  posted on  2015-03-07   8:12:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: war (#23) (Edited)

The most recent immigration action, which you all mistakenly call an *executive order*

Stop with the deflective exercises in semantic smokescreening and hair-splitting. Obama himself refers sidesteppingly to his departmental "directives" in comparison to Military Orders of punitive "consequence" and whatnot in this video interview segment linked 2nd at Post #1:

These immediately following article-comments cited there are summarily the relevant issues, which you have been at an apparent loss to substantively refute -- not others here per your supposed/imposed spin "incumbently":

"He compared it to the military where soldiers 'are expected to follow' orders given by their superiors. Isn't this the same excuse that Nazi's used after WWII, that they were not to blame for what they did, but were just being good soldiers and following orders."

"ICE Agents take [an] oath of office [...]. The President cannot order anybody to 'ignore' the law. It is in it's self a 'unlawful' order."

Rewording edits at 1st and last commenting sentences + punctuation.

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-03-07   12:41:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: GreyLmist (#27)

Stop with the deflective exercises in semantic smokescreening and hair-splitting.

I'm not going to apologize for the fact that *words* mean *something*.

war  posted on  2015-03-09   12:27:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#40) (Edited)

Stop with the deflective exercises in semantic smokescreening and hair-splitting.

I'm not going to apologize for the fact that *words* mean *something*.

Executive Orders are Presidential/Executive "Directives", so what's your point about them? That it's somehow ok for Execs to issue oath-breaking, unlawful edicts as long as those aren't in writing with that particular titling, numbering and signatured filing as such? Not so. No matter what weasel-words and paper-trail evasive actions by verbal fiat are used to categorize them otherwise, they're all just inter-office memos/departmental directions that never rise to the level of law or alteration of it -- not even when officially documented as EOs.

Edited last sentence.

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-03-11   9:58:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: GreyLmist (#47)

Executive Orders are Presidential/Executive "Directives", so what's your point about them?

My *point* is that there are no executive orders here.

So, to claim that Obama has issued *illegal* executive orders in this case is just plain wrong.

war  posted on  2015-03-11   11:35:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: war (#53)

Executive Orders are Presidential/Executive "Directives", so what's your point about them?

My *point* is that there are no executive orders here.

So, to claim that Obama has issued *illegal* executive orders in this case is just plain wrong.

Executive Orders per your documentation standards aren't even authorized by the Constitution nor is the Executive branch authorized to make or remake "immigration" policy.

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-03-11   15:19:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: GreyLmist (#55)

...nor is the Executive branch authorized to make or remake "immigration" policy.

Of course he can *make* or *remake* immigration POLICY...

war  posted on  2015-03-11   15:37:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#58. To: war (#57)

Of course he can *make* or *remake* immigration POLICY...

Even if that includes violating existing LAW?

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-11 15:57:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: war (#57) (Edited)

Me at #55: Executive Orders per your documentation standards aren't even authorized by the Constitution

You at #56: They most certainly are...read the first line of the first section of Article II.

Me at #55: nor is the Executive branch authorized to make or remake "immigration" policy.

You at #57: Of course he can *make* or *remake* immigration POLICY...

Article II, Section 1, Clause 1, line 1: The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

vests the power to execute the instructions of Congress, which has the exclusive power to make laws

Aside from the overarching Article II stipulations to even be a President of the United States of America where he hasn't quite properly complied with the requisites (as you seemingly take for granted simply because he's a Democrat or whatever other waiver you might think applies), your claimed point at #53 was that "there are no executive orders" involved here. Why? Because Obama doesn't want to call his directives that and officially document them so. He prefers comparing them to Military Orders instead with similar consequences for non-obedience of implementation by ICE and others who aren't Military personnel. Now you seem to be ping-ponging like the first line of the first section of Article II implies, without actually mentioning the phrase "Executive Orders", that Presidential directives (whether formally issued as EOs or informally not -- lawful or unlawful no matter) are all empowered as amounting to those, along with an over-ruling invested power to alter law and dictate "immigration" policies to Congress and the States. Make up your mind and don't try to insert the Necessary and Proper Clause into Article II where the Founders didn't. I don't have limitless time to debate this with someone who sounds so "shape-shiftingly" contrarian to America's rightful form of Constitutional government.

Edited to expand the quote section + for spelling + comment sentence 4.

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