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Title: US supercarrier ‘sunk’ by French submarine in wargames
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URL Source: http://www.news.com.au/world/us-sup ... s/story-fndir2ev-1227250666936
Published: Mar 6, 2015
Author: staff
Post Date: 2015-03-06 16:46:02 by Horse
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Unexpected victor ... The 30-year-old French nucler powered attack submarine Saphir. Source: Wikipedia Source: Supplied WITH a good submarine, a navy can do amazing things. Ask the French. They’ve just managed to “sink” a nuclear-powered US super carrier — and half its battle group. The French Ministry of Defence has revealed one of its attack submarines pulled of an astounding upset during recent war-games in the North Atlantic. The Aviationist blog spotted an article on the French defence force’s website — quickly withdrawn — which told how one of their submarines, the “Saphir” tackled the might of the United States’ navy off the coast of Florida. Formidable force ... The aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt with a protecive force of cruisers, destroyers and frigates. A recent exercise saw this expansive, and expensive, defence force bypassed by a French submarine. Source: USN Source: Supplied At the core of the surface force was the enormous aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and its powerful strike wing of 90 combat aircraft and helicopters. Clustered protectively about it was several advanced cruisers and destroyers, and its own guardian submarine. DONE DEAL? Japan a reluctant ‘favoured’ submarine supplier In one element of the war games, the Saphir was tasked with the role of being the “bad guy”. It’s mission: To seek, locate and exterminate the US naval force. The exact details of how it achieved this embarrassing outcome is not known. French sub ‘sinks’ US supercarrier Fallout ... The USS Theodore Roosevelt undergoing shock testing during sea trials in 1987. Source: USN Source: Supplied Somehow, the French submarine must have been able to slip between the defensive sensor patchwork of patrol aircraft, helicopters, warships and submarines to line up a shot on the $13 billion monstrosity. SUB CONTROVERSY: Navy boss sunk by Wikipedia There she lurked as a fictitious political crisis evolved in the world above. On the final day of the exercise, the order finaly came. Sink the Theodore Roosevelt. This 30-year-old Saphir proceeded to do. Along with most of the escorting warships. Silent killer ... The French nuclear-powered attack submarine Saphir. Source: Wikipedia Silent killer ... The French nuclear-powered attack submarine Saphir. Source: Wikipedia Source: Supplied The outcome of such war-games are usually kept a close secret. Not only does a result such as the above have the potential to be politically embarrassing for the losing side, it also exposes the existence of weaknesses any future enemy may exploit. But rumours abound of similar significant victories by minor nations against the titanic icons of America’s naval might. Both aircraft carriers and submarines are facing increased scrutiny as to their role in future defence forces. Both are immensely expensive. Both project immense power. But their abilities to survive a modern hi-tech battlefield with ever increasing enhancements in sensors and weapons has been called to question in recent years. Poster Comment: Once the word gets around the military, it is unlikely that our military will follow Obama into battle. Russian jets can attack US Naval ships with impunity.
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#1. To: Horse (#0)
I watched a small bit of that movie with Tom Cruise about them going to the Naval Flight School called "Top Gun". It is a pretty sharp flick. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Madden War
Saw a commercial for the US Navy yesterday. Believe it or not, their new motto is "To get to you, they'll have to go thru us first." That's Madison Avenue marketing at it's finest.
The whole marketing of the military is insane these days. Much marketing is driven by what I call the Video Game Agenda. If they were honest they'd show depressed vets without limbs struggling for any attention at VA Hospitals in their ads. This is what works for a string of generations that are addicted to the TV.
+1. The world knows that these next two years are crucial to crippling the US military with the Enemy at PA Av sabotaging the works. 'OPERATION: FUBAR America's Military' (and everything else) is a ringing success. Tomorrow: The Bolivian Navy beats our Navy. 0bola's waitresses are "just following orders" to lie down like dogs. We had lost at Pacific Naval Wargames sometime soon before Pearl Harbor was struck. That info isn't as easy to locate as it use to be and the few referencings that I could now are for a much earlier timeframe than I'd expected. Here are two examples that I was able to find, though: What We Knew Before Pearl Harbor - Comment section at saturdayeveningpost.com, December 3, 2011 Another Comment: I recall a Post article some 15-20 years ago that mentioned the American manoeuvres in the Pacific in the mid-thirties, when planes from the Lexington and Saratoga were adjudged to have inflicted grave damage on Pearl Harbor. No doubt Japanese observers were present, in accordance with international protocol of those times. Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge conspiracy theory - Wikipedia Not all in the U.S. Navy shared this opinion. A mock air attack on Pearl Harbor during war games in the 1930s was judged to have been a success.[108] Shortly after taking office, Navy Secretary Knox wrote an overview memo which specifically noted the possibility of an attack at Pearl Harbor. However, neither observation led to formal policy recommendations to forestall such an attack. Admiral James O. Richardson, who was fired by President Roosevelt for refusing to station the Pacific Fleet in Pearl Harbor,[109] blamed the President for the "initial defeats in the Pacific" as "direct, real and personal."[110] Richardson believed stationing the fleet in Pearl Harbor made the ships extremely vulnerable against attack and provided a poor and unstrategic defense. [111] Taranto Attack The British proved torpedoes could be effective in their attack on the Regia Marina at Taranto on November 11, 1940. The U.S. Navy discussed this new development as can be seen in a June 1941 memo. The British attack method was not considered relevant to a torpedo attack at Pearl, as Taranto was about 75 ft (23 m) deep and Pearl less than 40 ft (12 m). US-backed British forces attacked the marina of Axis ally, Italy. Axis ally, Japan, retaliated the next year against Britain's ally at Pearl Harbor. FDR and Churchill got what they wanted. Millions killed and devastated. "Reconstruction carpetbaggers" profited immensely and formulaically. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
We had lost at Pacific Naval Wargames sometime soon before Pearl Harbor was struck. That info isn't as easy to locate as it use to be French delete evidence US carrier was 'sunk' by sub in drill - http://rt.com/, March 06, 2015 The news, before it was deleted was spotted by several outlets, including The Aviationist blog, which disclosed the information which the French authorities initially shared. During the first phase of the 10 days naval exercises, the French Saphir sub was part of the so-called friendly force to support anti-submarine warfare. However, in the second phase of the games, the Saphir turned foe and was integrated with the imaginary enemy forces. Starting to vanish already like it was a Philadelphia Experiment sequel sub-titled, Part Deux: The Unfraternal/Unbrotherly, or something. Edited formatting. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Article comment 2. recall a Post article some 15-20 years ago that mentioned the American manoeuvres in the Pacific in the mid-thirties, when planes from the Lexington and Saratoga were adjudged to have inflicted grave damage on Pearl Harbor. No doubt Japanese observers were present, in accordance with international protocol of those times. US-backed British forces attacked the marina of Axis ally, Italy. Axis ally, Japan, retaliated the next year against Britain's ally at Pearl Harbor. FDR and Churchill got what they wanted. Millions killed and devastated. "Reconstruction carpetbaggers" profited immensely and formulaically. Cross-referncing 4um Title: The Pearl Harbor Myth: Rethinking the Unthinkable ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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#5. To: Horse (#0)
Once the word gets around the military, it is unlikely that our military will follow Obama into battle. Russian jets can attack US Naval ships with impunity.
#6. To: Horse (#0)
The outcome of such war-games are usually kept a close secret. Not only does a result such as the above have the potential to be politically embarrassing for the losing side, it also exposes the existence of weaknesses any future enemy may exploit.
Unsourced Comment: THE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR WAS NOT A PLAN ORIGINATED BY JAPAN. AT THE 1932 WAR GAMES IN HAWAII THE ASTUTE JAPANESE OBSERVERS KEPT NOTES AND NOTED THAT THE SUCCESSFUL WAR GAME ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR CAME FROM THE N.W. WHAT THE JAPANESE USED TO ATTACK PEARL HARBOR WAS A COPY OF THE 1932 WAR GAME PLAN.
Making an attack against Pearl Harbor was unimaginable to many because the depth of Pearl Harbor was generally less than 40 ft (12 m). Such depths were widely believed insufficient for torpedo attack; [...]
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The outcome of such war-games are usually kept a close secret. Not only does a result such as the above have the potential to be politically embarrassing for the losing side, it also exposes the existence of weaknesses any future enemy may exploit.
Both the French Defense Ministry and the Navy released and then quickly deleted a news post entitled “Le SNA Saphir en entraînement avec l’US Navy au large de la Floride” (“The SNA Sapphire in training with the US Navy off the coast of Florida”) that praised the 34-year-old French nuclear submarine’s success in “sinking” the American aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt along with best part of its escort.
#8. To: All (#6)
We had lost at Pacific Naval Wargames sometime soon before Pearl Harbor was struck. That info isn't as easy to locate as it use to be and the few referencings that I could now are for a much earlier timeframe than I'd expected.
Article comment 1. WHAT THE JAPANESE USED TO ATTACK PEARL HARBOR WAS A COPY OF THE 1932 WAR GAME PLAN.
From Comment 1: Overlooked or unmentioned was the fact that anyone paying attention in summer of 1941, would have been aware that the government/military, started withdrawing dependent civilians from the entire Pacific in...JUNE...1941.
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