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Dead Constitution See other Dead Constitution Articles Title: Forbes:Opting Out Of The Obamacare Tax: What Happens If You Don't Pay? LINK http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2015/02/26/opting-out-of-the-obamacare-tax/ Last month, the Obama administration announced that between three and six million households about 2 to 4 % of taxpayers would be faced with a penalty (or is it a tax?) at tax time for failing to secure minimum essential coverage to comply with the Affordable Care Act (ACA), sometimes referred to as Obamacare. Under Obamacare, youre considered covered if you have insurance through the government, including Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, retiree coverage, TRICARE, or VA health coverage; private insurance that you purchased on your own including COBRA coverage and coverage obtained through the Health Insurance Marketplace; or provided by your employer (even if you didnt pay anything for the coverage). Youll report coverage on your tax return (find out how here). Most taxpayers about 130 million or so will report coverage. Of those that dont have coverage (estimates range from 20 million to 37.5 million), most will avoid being subject to the penalty based on a waiver or exemption. Exemptions exist based on income or filing status, immigration status and religious affiliation as well as the much-talked about incarceration exemption. A number of hardship exemptions are also available. (For more on exemptions and waivers, click here.) Those taxpayers who cant demonstrate essential minimum coverage and arent otherwise exempt are subject to a penalty the shared individual responsibility payment equal to 1% of income above the filing threshold or $95 per adult and $47.50 per child (up to $285 for a family), whichever is higher. That amount is figured and reported on the taxpayers 2014 tax return, payable by April 15, 2015. For the 2015 tax year, the amount of the penalty increases to 2% of income or $325 per adult; in 2016, it jumps up again to 2.5% of income or $695 per person. In terms of dollars, the CBO had initially estimated that by 2016, nearly six million taxpayers would be subject to an average penalty of $1,200. The overwhelmingly majority (80%) of those estimated to be at risk to the penalty were those in the middle class with incomes between $55,850 and $115,250. Since that time, the numbers have been adjusted downward, based largely on the perceived success of policies purchased through the Marketplace and the increased number of taxpayers exempt under the rules. Those estimates between three and six million households are still just guesses. But the dollars associated with those numbers are the real mystery. You see, buried in the language of the 2010 law creating the Affordable Health Care Act (you remember, the big f*cking deal) is a bit of an out: There are practically no real consequences for not paying the penalty. I mentioned this to Maggie McGrath, personal finance reporter for Forbes, while shooting video about the Health Care Act earlier this month. Shouldnt that be the real story? she asked. Shes right, of course. It should but oddly enough, nobody is really talking about it. Why so quiet? Heres my guess: nobody has a clue whats really going to happen. You see, when the Act became news in 2010, rumors were flying about what would happen if you didnt pay the penalty. It was politically tricky. The consequences needed to be enough to make you want to conform with the Act but not so onerous that Congress would be loathe to vote for it. The final language in the Act declared that the penalty shall be paid upon notice and demand which sounds really intimidating. The language went on to note that the penalty would be collected in the same manner as an assessable penalty under subchapter B of chapter 68" which also sounds pretty serious especially since subchapter B references some pretty nasty penalties for otherwise not complying with other sections of the Tax Code. So what would the penalty for noncompliance be? Jail time? Nope. The language in the Act specifically rules out jail time, saying at Section 500A(g)(2)(A): In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure. So, no jail time. But that means that the IRS will chase you and lien your property if you dont pay, right? Nope. Thats not allowed under the Act. At 500A(g)(2)(B)(i), the Treasury cannot file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section. So, no liens. Then, clearly there will be levies or seizures on your wages and account, right? Nope. Not that either. Under 500A(g)(2)(B)(ii), the Treasury cannot levy on any such property with respect to such failure. To recap then, by law, you have to pay the penalty. But if you dont, you wont go to jail, you wont be liened and you wont be levied for collection. Is there anything that could happen to you if you choose not to pay? With no jail, no liens and no levies, it doesnt leave the IRS a lot of room to work when it comes to collections. Congress actually managed to create, as I wrote in 2012 and in in 2013, an incredibly complex and burdensome law without any teeth. Well, maybe some teeth. Baby teeth. The IRS might seize any part or all of your refund in order to satisfy your obligation. Might. IRS hasnt come right out and said that it absolutely will offset your refund if you owe a penalty for failure to pay. However, in the Final Regulations issued on this matter, IRS noted that [n]othing in this section prohibits the Secretary from offsetting any liability for the shared responsibility payment against any overpayment due the taxpayer, in accordance with section 6402(a) and its corresponding regulations. Thats sufficiently passive aggressive, right? Youre on notice that the IRS doesnt think that its barred from taking your refund. Theyre not saying they will (for certain) but theyre not saying they wont either. So is there anything you can expect for sure? You can definitely expect a lot of letter writing and virtual shaking of the governments fist at you. Maybe even some blustering, for good measure. But real consequences? Other than that potential refund seizure and a guilty conscience, theres nothing to keep taxpayers from opting out of paying. Will they? Well have to wait and see. Want more taxgirl goodness? Pick your poison: follow me on twitter, hang out on Facebook and Google, play on Pinterest or check out my YouTube channel. For cases and tax related docs, visit Scribd. Poster Comment: hyperlinks at site Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top Page Up Full Thread Page Down Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 14.
#2. To: Artisan (#0)
I'll let everyone know when I know. I refuse to pay for something not needed, not wanted, and that will not help me in any way,shape, for form and which is simply another piece oppression hurled our way. I finished being a slave to uberwealthy pigs.
well as the article very competently outlines, there is no effective consequence to not having obamacare.
Typically, the way gov intrusion works is this: First something is legislated that imposes requirements without any penalty. Then after a few years, avoidance of the penalty is considered a "loophole" of sorts, and more legislation is enacted giving teeth to it. They have to do things this way precisely because so many people are not compliant, but as that number decreases over time (or if it's simply broadcast in the media that it has decreased) then they can start forcing collections on non-compliant people without political consequence. That's government encroachment 101. Oh, and of course don't count on republicans to undue obamacare when they next have the opportunity. Again, history shows that R's never repeal D legislation they claimed to object to once they get into power. Special interests and such that win financially from it intervene and nothing happens.
I understand, but I don't think katniss should have fatalistic expectations about enforcement of obamacare. I don't think its going to be like that. Obama's goons aren't going to be knocking down anyones door for an obamacare penalty, at least not yet.
Yeah, I don't think that Pinguinite was saying that such enforcement would be immediate, he mentioned encroachment and that it would take several years. It may not even be physical, it might be a complete shutting down of one's bank accounts, etc. That seems to be the new way of enforcement, financial to the extent that it's the same as being terminal unless one enjoys living homelessly. In many ways we are experiencing that very thing right now.
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