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Title: What Hitler really thought about Poles
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URL Source: http://www.polishforums.com/history ... er-himmler-62093/2/#msg1470714
Published: Sep 19, 2012
Author: PennBoy
Post Date: 2015-03-09 02:28:42 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 317
Comments: 29

Polish Forumj... Today we possessed an information that needs to invoke a feeling of amazement in Pole. According to the United-Press agency, the U.S. authorities found in one of Frankfurt's secret bunker the Hitler's memorandum addressed to Himmler dated 4 March 1944. In this memorandum, discussing the affairs of nations shattered by the Third Reich, "fuerher" wrote about Poles:

"Poles are the most intelligent of all the people with whom Germany came across during the war in Europe... Poles in my opinion and basing on the observation and reports from the General Government, are the only nation in Europe that combines high intelligence with the incredible cleverness. They are the most talented people in Europe, because while living in extremely difficult political circumstances, acquired the great sense of living, unparalleled anywhere.

Based on recent research made by Reichsrassenamt, the scientists came to the belief that Poles should be assimilated into German society as a racially valuable. Our scholars concluded that a combination of German orderliness with Polish imaginativeness would give excellent results".

Forced by the bankruptcy of its policies, the testimony about virtues of our nation made by the greatest enemy of Polish national identity is worth attention.

Another similar translation of the letter.

groups.yahoo.com/group/JewsandPoles/message/6688


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I don't think Poles were all that bright in not allowing Germany access to the sea. Would have meant prosperity for the region, jobs for Poles. Germans brighter, maybe Hungarians; pulled in more Nobels in the sciences than Poles.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

I don't think Poles were all that bright in not allowing Germany access to the sea. Would have meant prosperity for the region, jobs for Poles. Germans brighter, maybe Hungarians; pulled in more Nobels in the sciences than Poles.

You have to remember though that such decisions were not being made by the high end of the intellectual capital in Poland. Just as it is here, or in most developed nations in fact, it's the equivalent of a puppet, often a brainless one, on the end of a string or the equivalent of our corrupt and equally intellectual capital challenged, and certainly morally and ethically challenged, Congress that makes such decisions. This doesn't even address the evil moral underpinnings of some of these figures.

It's stunning to me how much of WW's I & II were brought on by simple egos of people in power and the playing upon of those egos by others that wrought such evilness. Even familial squabbles like that between King Edward VII and Kaiser Wilhem II.

WWI was entirely avoidable, and the Germans were the most civil in seeing to that, Churchill was actually a war-mongering bastard that is heralded today. Most of the military braintrust in Germany was even keeled emotionally and mentally however, it was much more if not entirely on the side of the Allies that WWI was precipitated. Of course America's (the winners') history books don't always paint that picture, you have to find it elsewhere. WWII was entirely spawned by the egotistical aftermath of WWI as dictated by the allies, and most of the people in power even stated that from the end of WWI even until during WWII. So they knew, fully, yet ignored it all in favor of more egoistic decision-making.

Hitler's humanitarian concerns for Germans were fully justified, even the key people in the allied power structure admitted that, it was just that his methods of enforcement, but only after having his hand forced by more allied egoism, were extreme.

The nuts and bolts of it is that WWII was avoidable too, although not to the extent that WWI was, but it was also essentially forced on Germany by ego-fed allied decision making.

In a perfect world the allies would have fully acknowledged the wrongs of the Versaille Treaty, yielded back Germany's lands that were primarily occupied by Germans, in several places being treated like third-class citizens by their the countries that had newly annexed them, and Germany would have finished a war that Russia would have started with her or merely been the power to keep Russia in check. Patton, despite loving war as well, knew what was going on. Hence his fate.

Today the egos run even more rampant with dollar signs in everyone's eyes. Technology merely aids tyranny.

Katniss  posted on  2015-03-09   10:46:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Katniss (#1)

Churchill was actually a war-mongering bastard that is heralded today.

?

Cynicom  posted on  2015-03-09   12:07:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#2)

What's your question, specifically?

The statement stands on its own. Churchill is widely regarded as a prominent positive figure during the WWs I and II.

He was in fact a war mongering politician that wanted and preferred to go to war in both wars. I added the word bastard, so if that's your issue, noted.

If you do not understand that, brush up on your history.

Katniss  posted on  2015-03-09   23:18:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Katniss (#3)

What's your question, specifically?

It is much more pleasant to discuss such if one omits personal attacks. I have no time for such.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-03-10   9:04:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#4)

It is much more pleasant to discuss such if one omits personal attacks. I have no time for such.

By the way, it's much more pleasant to discuss when the discussion is based on facts, not establishment contrived lies pitched as history.

Of all people those here should understand that.

Katniss  posted on  2015-03-12   1:13:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Katniss (#14)

By the way, it's much more pleasant to discuss when the discussion is based on facts, not establishment contrived lies pitched as history.

Perhaps there is a particular "fact" that comes to mind?

I would be glad to take time to research it.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-03-12   5:29:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#16)

Churchill was actually a war-mongering bastard that is heralded today.

?

That's the post of yours where our discussion broke down. I elaborated. You clearly take issue.

Might be a good starting point, research Churchill's quotes prior to and during both world wars. If you do that it will become impossible not to come to that very conclusion.

I hope that clears things up.

Katniss  posted on  2015-03-12   9:23:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Katniss (#17)

I recall the days of Churchill and the Boer war, POW as a civilian, then there was the debacle at Gallipoli, then he joined the ranks of the army in France.

He was an anti semite and communist hater. He was involved in allied invasion of Russia, which failed. He thot FDR was a bit dim witted in working with the Russians.

I just never had him painted as a war monger.

Of all the world leaders he is the only one I know of that held a union card. As a mason.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-03-12   10:08:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#21)

I just never had him painted as a war monger.

Well, you're wrong. Not sure what to tell you.

Don't take my word for it, educate yourself.

It's well on record that Hitler desperately wanted peace with Britain. Desperately!

Hitler's single biggest enemy by a country mile was Bolshevik Russia, whom he would have steam-rolled had Britain, with Churchill as one of its primary leaders, had been a little more patient and not made that absurd pact with Poland over an portion of Poland occupied by Germans that Poland had taken after WWI, and admittedly so even by Brits.

Churchill was very instrumental leadership wise in seeing to it that WWI came about. He's well on record as supporting war and doing his best to see to it that it happened.

But you're going to think what you will. It's clear that you've done not a shred of independent research since we began engaging.

That's fine, but this is nothing but a waste of time that I don't have to waste.

Katniss  posted on  2015-03-12   14:41:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Katniss (#23)

Engaging in a personal manner has nothing to do with ones background, good or bad, rather it is an obvious window into ones social manners or lack thereof.

I bozo no one, ignore those that lack common civility, with poor social skills. Their intelligence level follows.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-03-12   14:50:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#24)

Not quite Cyni. When you are bested in a debate or shown that you are flat out wrong on a topic, you resort to childish snipes then run off claiming that the person was "uncivil" with you.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-12   15:07:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FormerLurker (#25)

That does appear to be the MO.

That's fine, what I object to is the continued waste of time and mental resources required when you're legitimately interested in discussing the matter or clarifying things when it's unclear whether he's truly interested or just trying to save face via tangents.

I've learned quite a bit over the years here or elsewhere often arguing vehemently, but my efforts have been sincere, not merely "to win an argument" as seems to be the goal for some.

It's a micro-microcosm of what's really ailing our nation.

Katniss  posted on  2015-03-12   15:37:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Katniss (#27)

I've learned quite a bit over the years here or elsewhere often arguing vehemently, but my efforts have been sincere, not merely "to win an argument" as seems to be the goal for some.

It's a micro-microcosm of what's really ailing our nation.

Exactly.

Myself, I simply try to shine light on what the PTB try to conceal. I find it odd that some here who claim to be interested in truth hide their heads in the sand when it is given to them, and continue to spread proven falsehoods while claiming "expertise" and "wisdom" on the topic in question.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-12   16:17:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#29. To: FormerLurker (#28)

Agreed

Katniss  posted on  2015-03-12 17:16:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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