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Title: What Hitler really thought about Poles
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URL Source: http://www.polishforums.com/history ... er-himmler-62093/2/#msg1470714
Published: Sep 19, 2012
Author: PennBoy
Post Date: 2015-03-09 02:28:42 by Tatarewicz
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Polish Forumj... Today we possessed an information that needs to invoke a feeling of amazement in Pole. According to the United-Press agency, the U.S. authorities found in one of Frankfurt's secret bunker the Hitler's memorandum addressed to Himmler dated 4 March 1944. In this memorandum, discussing the affairs of nations shattered by the Third Reich, "fuerher" wrote about Poles: "Poles are the most intelligent of all the people with whom Germany came across during the war in Europe... Poles in my opinion and basing on the observation and reports from the General Government, are the only nation in Europe that combines high intelligence with the incredible cleverness. They are the most talented people in Europe, because while living in extremely difficult political circumstances, acquired the great sense of living, unparalleled anywhere. Based on recent research made by Reichsrassenamt, the scientists came to the belief that Poles should be assimilated into German society as a racially valuable. Our scholars concluded that a combination of German orderliness with Polish imaginativeness would give excellent results". Forced by the bankruptcy of its policies, the testimony about virtues of our nation made by the greatest enemy of Polish national identity is worth attention. Another similar translation of the letter. groups.yahoo.com/group/JewsandPoles/message/6688 Poster Comment: I don't think Poles were all that bright in not allowing Germany access to the sea. Would have meant prosperity for the region, jobs for Poles. Germans brighter, maybe Hungarians; pulled in more Nobels in the sciences than Poles.
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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
You have to remember though that such decisions were not being made by the high end of the intellectual capital in Poland. Just as it is here, or in most developed nations in fact, it's the equivalent of a puppet, often a brainless one, on the end of a string or the equivalent of our corrupt and equally intellectual capital challenged, and certainly morally and ethically challenged, Congress that makes such decisions. This doesn't even address the evil moral underpinnings of some of these figures. It's stunning to me how much of WW's I & II were brought on by simple egos of people in power and the playing upon of those egos by others that wrought such evilness. Even familial squabbles like that between King Edward VII and Kaiser Wilhem II. WWI was entirely avoidable, and the Germans were the most civil in seeing to that, Churchill was actually a war-mongering bastard that is heralded today. Most of the military braintrust in Germany was even keeled emotionally and mentally however, it was much more if not entirely on the side of the Allies that WWI was precipitated. Of course America's (the winners') history books don't always paint that picture, you have to find it elsewhere. WWII was entirely spawned by the egotistical aftermath of WWI as dictated by the allies, and most of the people in power even stated that from the end of WWI even until during WWII. So they knew, fully, yet ignored it all in favor of more egoistic decision-making. Hitler's humanitarian concerns for Germans were fully justified, even the key people in the allied power structure admitted that, it was just that his methods of enforcement, but only after having his hand forced by more allied egoism, were extreme. The nuts and bolts of it is that WWII was avoidable too, although not to the extent that WWI was, but it was also essentially forced on Germany by ego-fed allied decision making. In a perfect world the allies would have fully acknowledged the wrongs of the Versaille Treaty, yielded back Germany's lands that were primarily occupied by Germans, in several places being treated like third-class citizens by their the countries that had newly annexed them, and Germany would have finished a war that Russia would have started with her or merely been the power to keep Russia in check. Patton, despite loving war as well, knew what was going on. Hence his fate. Today the egos run even more rampant with dollar signs in everyone's eyes. Technology merely aids tyranny.
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What's your question, specifically? The statement stands on its own. Churchill is widely regarded as a prominent positive figure during the WWs I and II. He was in fact a war mongering politician that wanted and preferred to go to war in both wars. I added the word bastard, so if that's your issue, noted. If you do not understand that, brush up on your history.
It is much more pleasant to discuss such if one omits personal attacks. I have no time for such.
Much like our hero "Honest" Abe... “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Churchill is well known for two important factors that shaped world opinion of his political life. Winston was anti-semetic and had a strong dislike of communism, the jew offspring he wanted to strangle. It is understandable that those of either or both of those leanings would find him undesirable.
So, that's why he saddled up with the Russians in opposition to Hitler. Now I understand (not). "We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
Not really, he was more like "Foster Brooks" ! (A flaming drunk). "We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
:-))
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Churchill used this ancient saying in WWII... " "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ... In WWI, the communists cut a deal with Germany and turned them loose in full force on the allies, hoping France and Britain would capitulate. In WWII Russia again cut a deal with Hitler to start the war, hoping the West would resist to the end. Instead the West ran like rabbits and Hitler was stronger than ever. Now the Russians were alone with Hitler and they paid dearly for their treachery.
Stalingrad...millions killed.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Russians have never been friends or allies with anyone. With them it is a one way street. Some do not like to be reminded that when WWII started, Germany and Russia in concert started it by invading Poland. The Russian part is embarrassing.
I do not believe that I did attack. Let's not confuse your throwing our inaccurate "facts" or implying as much, with attacks. If you're that soft-skinned just don't post. This is very straight forward, I was sincerely asking for clarification on your statements. You clearly took issue with mine, which are historically accurate, although perhaps not in the public school textbooks, but in reality. Hell, most of England knew that Churchill was a war monger. So did Wilson. Just because you think differently does not alter that fact. I'n not sure that you're cut out for serious discussion based on several of your responses to me chiding me for imaginary occurrences or very docile things that you hostilly misconstrue as attacks.
By the way, it's much more pleasant to discuss when the discussion is based on facts, not establishment contrived lies pitched as history. Of all people those here should understand that.
Indeed And FDR, Johnson, Junior, Clinton, Obama
Perhaps there is a particular "fact" that comes to mind? I would be glad to take time to research it.
? That's the post of yours where our discussion broke down. I elaborated. You clearly take issue. Might be a good starting point, research Churchill's quotes prior to and during both world wars. If you do that it will become impossible not to come to that very conclusion. I hope that clears things up.
Never forget the traitorous Wilson. He belongs in all "worst-ever" lists. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Overall yes, I would not classify him as a war monger however. To his credit. I still don't believe that he was sincere about most things though. He's the worst president we've ever had in terms of talk not matching his actions. Clearly someone else was pulling the strings, the only question is why did he allow himself to be used as a dupe then. Let's not forget that it was Wilson that said the following after validating the Fed; - President Woodrow Wilson, 1914
1913 ~ the year that will live in infamy.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I recall the days of Churchill and the Boer war, POW as a civilian, then there was the debacle at Gallipoli, then he joined the ranks of the army in France. He was an anti semite and communist hater. He was involved in allied invasion of Russia, which failed. He thot FDR was a bit dim witted in working with the Russians. I just never had him painted as a war monger. Of all the world leaders he is the only one I know of that held a union card. As a mason.
One of those gifts that keeps on giving, and giving, and giving and giving ... The pigs are now more equal than the other animals.
Well, you're wrong. Not sure what to tell you. Don't take my word for it, educate yourself. It's well on record that Hitler desperately wanted peace with Britain. Desperately! Hitler's single biggest enemy by a country mile was Bolshevik Russia, whom he would have steam-rolled had Britain, with Churchill as one of its primary leaders, had been a little more patient and not made that absurd pact with Poland over an portion of Poland occupied by Germans that Poland had taken after WWI, and admittedly so even by Brits. Churchill was very instrumental leadership wise in seeing to it that WWI came about. He's well on record as supporting war and doing his best to see to it that it happened. But you're going to think what you will. It's clear that you've done not a shred of independent research since we began engaging. That's fine, but this is nothing but a waste of time that I don't have to waste.
Engaging in a personal manner has nothing to do with ones background, good or bad, rather it is an obvious window into ones social manners or lack thereof. I bozo no one, ignore those that lack common civility, with poor social skills. Their intelligence level follows.
Not quite Cyni. When you are bested in a debate or shown that you are flat out wrong on a topic, you resort to childish snipes then run off claiming that the person was "uncivil" with you.
Frankly, I have absolutely no idea what that has to do with anything that we've discussed heretofore in this thread or any other recently.
That does appear to be the MO. That's fine, what I object to is the continued waste of time and mental resources required when you're legitimately interested in discussing the matter or clarifying things when it's unclear whether he's truly interested or just trying to save face via tangents. I've learned quite a bit over the years here or elsewhere often arguing vehemently, but my efforts have been sincere, not merely "to win an argument" as seems to be the goal for some. It's a micro-microcosm of what's really ailing our nation.
It's a micro-microcosm of what's really ailing our nation. Exactly. Myself, I simply try to shine light on what the PTB try to conceal. I find it odd that some here who claim to be interested in truth hide their heads in the sand when it is given to them, and continue to spread proven falsehoods while claiming "expertise" and "wisdom" on the topic in question. Agreed
I don't think Poles were all that bright in not allowing Germany access to the sea. Would have meant prosperity for the region, jobs for Poles. Germans brighter, maybe Hungarians; pulled in more Nobels in the sciences than Poles.
#2. To: Katniss (#1)
Churchill was actually a war-mongering bastard that is heralded today.
#3. To: Cynicom (#2)
#4. To: Katniss (#3)
What's your question, specifically?
#5. To: Katniss, Cynicom, 4 (#3)
He was in fact a war mongering politician that wanted and preferred to go to war...
#6. To: Lod (#5)
Much like our hero "Honest" Abe...
#7. To: Cynicom (#6)
Winston was anti-semetic and had a strong dislike of communism, the jew offspring he wanted to strangle.
#8. To: Lod (#5)
Much like our hero "Honest" Abe...
#9. To: noone222 (#8)
#10. To: noone222 (#7)
#11. To: Cynicom (#10)
#12. To: Turtle (#11)
#13. To: Cynicom (#4)
It is much more pleasant to discuss such if one omits personal attacks. I have no time for such.
#14. To: Cynicom (#4)
It is much more pleasant to discuss such if one omits personal attacks. I have no time for such.
#15. To: Lod (#5)
Much like our hero "Honest" Abe...
#16. To: Katniss (#14)
By the way, it's much more pleasant to discuss when the discussion is based on facts, not establishment contrived lies pitched as history.
#17. To: Cynicom (#16)
Churchill was actually a war-mongering bastard that is heralded today.
#18. To: Katniss (#15)
And FDR, Johnson, Junior, Clinton, Obama
#19. To: Lod (#18)
(Edited)
“Since I have entered politics I have chiefly had mens views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States are afraid of something. They know there is a power somewhere. A power so subtle, so organized, so complete and pervasive that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
#20. To: Katniss (#19)
#21. To: Katniss (#17)
#22. To: Lod (#20)
1913 ~ the year that will live in infamy.
#23. To: Cynicom (#21)
I just never had him painted as a war monger.
#24. To: Katniss (#23)
#25. To: Cynicom (#24)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#26. To: Cynicom (#24)
#27. To: FormerLurker (#25)
#28. To: Katniss (#27)
I've learned quite a bit over the years here or elsewhere often arguing vehemently, but my efforts have been sincere, not merely "to win an argument" as seems to be the goal for some.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#29. To: FormerLurker (#28)
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