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Title: Judge Napolitano: Lincoln Set About On The Most Murderous War In American History
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Published: Mar 9, 2015
Author: Judge Andrew Napolitano
Post Date: 2015-03-09 12:57:06 by James Deffenbach
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#2. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

It's not clear if slavery was the *reason*, your honor?

South Carolina Statement of Secession:

'The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. "

Georgia:

"The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery."

Mississippi:

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth.

war  posted on  2015-03-09   16:07:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: war (#2)

war, look at when the Emancipation Proclamation was signed, a year-and-a-half into the war.

Slavery wasn't not only the primary reason, it wasn't even on the short list at the start of the war. Lincoln and The Union signed it so as to avoid France from entering the war on the side of the Confederacy, for no other reason.

This myth that the American Civil War was fought over slavery is yet one more example of how our history books are littered with propaganda.

In fact, the Emancipation Proclamation did not even apply to the states in The Union, so how was it to be that the war was fought over that when numerous Union generals had slaves, plural? That's impossible.

One more whitewashing of history, but that's the norm. So too is it the norm for few to actually figure that out for one or more reasons.

Katniss  posted on  2015-03-09   23:16:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Katniss (#4) (Edited)

In fact, the Emancipation Proclamation did not even apply to the states in The Union

Given that it was first issued as an ultimatum unique to the States in rebellion and then a month or so later as a decree against the States in rebellion to cripple their war effort, why would it have applied to the *Union*? None of those states were in rebellion.

To me, you are offering an example of how the reasoning behind the EP has been bastardized through the years. It had one target...the cSA's war effort and no higher purpose.

BTW, it also made immune certain sections of NOLA...

war  posted on  2015-03-10   7:45:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#7) (Edited)

Given that it was first issued as an ultimatum unique to the States in rebellion and then a month or so later as a decree against the States in rebellion to cripple their war effort, why would it have applied to the *Union*? None of those states were in rebellion.

To me, you are offering an example of how the reasoning behind the EP has been bastardized through the years. It had one target...the cSA's war effort and no higher purpose.

You just contradicted your prior post here.

Why would it apply to the states not in rebellion?

You serious?

It's called moral high ground and integrity. We comment here constantly about how our liberties at home have been trounced and quenched, as we "fight for liberty" around the globe.

Surely you cannot believe what you're pitching about the Civil War.

No matter how you slice it, if the war was primarily about slavery, then freeing only slaves in the Confederacy would make zero sense.

Katniss  posted on  2015-03-12   1:06:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#12. To: Katniss (#11) (Edited)

You just contradicted your prior post here.

"Do I contradict myself...very well...I contradict myself...I am large...I contain multitudes..."

t's called moral high ground and integrity. We comment here constantly about how our liberties at home have been trounced and quenched, as we "fight for liberty" around the globe.

Um...uh...in the 19th century we had no such policy as we weren't in to Empire Building. I may *judge* history, as I sit here today, only if I limit my judgement to the *events* of history and not the *ethics* of it.

Ethics belong to the philosophers not the historians.

We also comment here, from time to time, about what the Framers and Founders *envisioned* and *created*. Some were drunkards and some were elitists, fornicators, slave holders, and some were corrupt businessmen who gained their wealth through the Black Market. Should I reject what they have created based upon my 21st century *sense* of morality?

No matter how you slice it, if the war was primarily about slavery, then freeing only slaves in the Confederacy would make zero sense.

Non-sequitur...had Lincoln made the EP universal, he most likely would have lost the support of the border states. Most of those States had their own internal *hot* wars going on.

You really need to ask yourself this question: If there was NO slavery in the US, would there have been a Civil War?

There is no way that the question can be answered *yes* with a high degree of probability.

When you add slavery and the political and legislative conflagrations that the issue had been causing since the FOUNDING then the *probability* rises to near certainly.

I had a bad tag in this post which is why it was *EDITED* but neither of your links work.

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