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Title: Methodical Illusion: The 9/11 Con Begins to Crumble — Rebekah Roth (Flight Attendant)
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URL Source: http://sgtreport.com/2015/03/method ... egins-to-crumble-rebekah-roth/
Published: Mar 23, 2015
Author: Rebekah Roth
Post Date: 2015-03-23 10:33:47 by christine
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Views: 18780
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Rebekah Roth has, in my opinion, blown the lid off of the lies surrounding the events on 9/11. Facts which are outlined in her recently released book, Methodical Illusion; a book, as of this writing, that is #1 on the Amazon Best Seller List for its category.--NorthWestLibertyNews Poster Comment: Roth’s research reveals ALL of the 911 cell phone calls from the passengers to their families and friends were actually made on the ground after the 4 planes landed at a remote military airfield and listen to what her research reveals about passenger 9B. This is a must listen. I agree with NorthWestLibertyNews's opinion that Rebekah has blown the lid off the 9/11 lies.
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#205. To: FormerLurker (#168)
First, please show me another building that met the following criteria and did not collapse. A challenge to conspiracy theorists: 1) Find a steel frame building at least 40 stories high 2) Which takes up a whole city block 3) And is a "Tube in a tube" design 4) Which came off its core columns at the bottom floors (Earthquake, fire, whatever - WTC 7) 5) Which was struck by another building or airliner and had structural damage as a result. 6) And weakened by fire for over 6 hours 7) And had trusses that were bolted on with two 5/8" bolts.
Are you that uninformed? Bldg. 7 was a steel framed building, buildings 1 and 2 were of the tube design. Perhaps you should take the time to read up on the facts. You can't change the laws of physics just because you don't like them, and there's no possible way a structure falls into its footprint at free fall speed without the help of controlled demolition. Given that was all he mentioned, why would I *assume* that he was discussing anything else? If you'd actually research what the *egg carton* framework was supposed to do when it came to column failure then you wouldn't be exposing yourself by saying so much while knowing so little. PS: The designers never took in to account fires and damage to the inner core. --Are you a *Jew*?
How many did they need? --Are you a *Jew*?
Then you need to post a different picture... But if that's your criteria: Debris outside of the WTC footprint: Overview: Two blocks north of WTC7 on Greenwich: FROH --Are you a *Jew*?
You've been shown that it did not fall at free fall speed. You've also been shown that it did not have merely *SOME* damage...the entire South Face was compromised... --Are you a *Jew*?
Uh...no...the *floors* were built over the trusses. Steel trusses were connected to the outerframe and the inner core. It was the failure of the trusses, caused by both the hear and the failure of the outer columns, that caused the collapse...this is why the CT theory is absolutely insane...the failure in the Towers was horizontal, not vertical...it's why you can see the tops of both of the buildings tilt over as opposed to falling straight down... WTC7 was a vertical failure... --Are you a *Jew*?
The *netting* design was the outside of the building and not the cement core. --Are you a *Jew*?
You're missing the part about the fire burning for hours uncontrolled because the building was unstable and expect to collapse. The spray-on fireproofing for structural steel elements was gypsum-based Monokote which had a two-hour fire rating for steel beams, girders and trusses, and a three-hour rating for columns.[6] Wikipedia The fire burned long past the rating period of the fire proofing. NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the Twin Towers, nor did the transfer elements (trusses, girders, and cantilever overhangs). But the lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse.[7] Wikipedia Im sure I don't have to tell you that Im not a structural engineer, and I strongly suspect you are not an engineer either; that puts both of us in the position of having to rely on the expertise of others, not only for information, but also for analysis. I am still curious to know why your choose to believe the government blew up the WTC buildings.
i think that is a cop out to the 25 rules of disinformation. which is funny because lurker uses that playbook too.., i wonder what kind of debate yall are having... i just might have to get the popcorn and unclown him to enjoy the show.
______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Ah, I see the little weasle is at it again. It's really curious how you drop into a 9/11 thread and attack those who present the facts, and act as if you're some master of truth and honesty. Why don't you get your act together and decide which side you're on, then either admit you're a backstabbing little shit or STFU. Again, the UNDAMAGED sections of the towers had absolutely NO reason to totally fail as they did. But keep believing the government lies if that's your thing. And you're being absolutely idiotic if you think office fires can weaken steel to the point of failure used in the construction of skyscrapers. And again, buildings don't collapse into their own footprint at free fall speeds unless they've been deliberately demolished with explosives. Go see what Architects and Engineers have to say about the matter, and stop spewing pseudoscience explanations you've picked up from government disinformation sites. And BTW, I AM an engineer. The undamaged sections didn't fail. A non-starter. --Are you a *Jew*?
Good thing that they didn't then. --Are you a *Jew*?
Oh no? So they're still standing there and there was no total collapse? Contrary to your claims, WTC 7 DID fall at free fall speed, and WTC 1 & 2 dropped at a rate VERY CLOSE to free fall speed. An actual total collapse would have taken MUCH more time. In reality, if a collapse were to have occured without the use of explosives, only the damaged upper section would have either slid off or toppled over, the remaining lower structure would have stayed intact. What kind of engineer?
Office fires like this? Also note that the ENTIRE face of exterior support columns have have been wiped ou. Also note that construction steel's load bearing ability is reduced @ 620 degrees Fahrenheit and that's before adding on the concrete slabs of the WTC's flooring... --Are you a *Jew*?
I studied electronics early in my life, then physics, then applied those fields to various software development roles.
No they didn't... --Are you a *Jew*?
Also note that construction steel's load bearing ability is reduced @ 620 degrees Fahrenheit and that's before adding on the concrete slabs of the WTC's flooring... This fire in Madrid burnt for approximately 24 hours, yet the building did not collapse. So you're full of it. Tell me war, where do you get your talking points from? --Are you a *Jew*?
www.debunking911.com/freefall.ht m You're government propaganda doesn't work here.. From above video link; If there is free fall during ANY part of the collapse, then the building is dropping through an empty void caused by explosives.
Different construction... 100's of commercial planes took off today...none of them crashed... Oh...that collapsed 2 hours in...never mind... --Are you a *Jew*?
Non Sequitur... --Are you a *Jew*?
...which has been debunked because it does not show the entire collapse... --Are you a *Jew*?
Please stay on the topic...the issue is what was damaged by the impact and then further compromised by the fires that resulted in the failure and collapse of the entire building... --Are you a *Jew*?
So why did the undamaged lower sections of the towers turn to pixie dust? What part of "if it is in FREEFALL DURING ANY PART OF THE COLLAPSE, THEN EXPLOSIVES WERE USED" do you fail to comprehend? So then you're a software engineer?
Uh, the building is still there in that image, so it has NOT collapsed. Is your understanding of the English language sort of fuzzy?
Yep, with a background in physics.
Where were the explosives planted?
The Most Outrageous 9/11 Conspiracy Theory On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO. During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
WTC7 shows the characteristics of a standard type of controlled demolition where the explosives are placed on structural members of the lower floors to initiate the collapse. WTC 1 and 2 on the other hand were wired for effect, since the world had to believe that the planes hitting the towers and the associated fires were what caused the destruction of each tower. Thus, computer timed detonations had to occur at a precise rate starting from floors immediately below the aress of impact, and sequentially fire downwards to help the upper structure gain velocity at a rate where it'd pick up enough kinetic energy to demolish floors below. Spot on. Bin Laden was never on dialysis...
--Are you a *Jew*?
9/11 Firefighters: Bombs and Explosions in the WTC The independent commission probing the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington decided not to hear from the worker group that lost more lives than anyone else to the terrorists: The Fire Fighters. [Workday Minnesota] [Firefighter Louie] Cacchioli was called to testify privately [before the 9/11 Commission], but walked out on several members of the committee before they finished, feeling like he was being interrogated and cross-examined rather than simply allowed to tell the truth about what occurred in the north tower on 9/11. "My story was never mentioned in the final report [PDF download] and I felt like I was being put on trial in a court room," said Cacchioli. "I finally walked out. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn't let me do that, I walked out. ... It was a disgrace to everyone, the victims and the family members who lost loved ones. I don't agree with the 9/11 Commission. The whole experience was terrible." [Arctic Beacon Edmund McNally phoned his wife Liz twice following the Tom Elliott, WTC 2 survivor: They saw only two firemen going up. They told them there had been an explosion near the 60th floor. [csmonitor] Kim White, WTC 1 survivor: "We got down as far as the 74th floor ... Then there was another explosion, so we left again by the stairwell." [People] 9/11 NBC News broadcast "Shortly after 9 o'clock ... [Albert Turi the Chief of Safety for the New York Fire Department] received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said there was another explosion which took place, and then an hour after the first hit - the first crash that took place - he said there was another explosion that took place in one of the towers here, so obviously according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building. During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Uh...no...all the hijackers are dead...whether or not some were properly identified has always been a question and one that the US government has admitted to. --Are you a *Jew*?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestOther than what happened on 9/11, show where in history any other skyscraper has come crashing down due to fire.
#206. To: lucysmom (#205)
And is a "Tube in a tube" design
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#207. To: FormerLurker (#195)
Are you REALLY that dumb? So you think when the man said the structure could withstand multiple impacts from airliners, he was only talking about the decorative outer sheathing?
#208. To: BTP Holdings (#201)
How many computers do you suppose were in WTC7?
#209. To: FormerLurker (#200)
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Uh, yep.
#210. To: FormerLurker (#200)
You're claiming that since WTC7 had some damage on one side, the ENTIRE BUILDING decided to fall down into its own footprint at free fall speed.
#211. To: FormerLurker (#199)
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The floors were connected to a central steel core, and that is part of the "netting" design in that nothing penetrating the building such as an airliner could or would cause the entire structure to fail.
#212. To: FormerLurker (#199)
The floors were connected to a central steel core, and that is part of the "netting" design
#213. To: FormerLurker (#200)
You're claiming that since WTC7 had some damage on one side, the ENTIRE BUILDING decided to fall down into its own footprint at free fall speed.
#214. To: lucysmom (#213)
#215. To: titorite (#214)
i think that is a cop out to the 25 rules of disinformation. which is funny because lurker uses that playbook too
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#216. To: war (#211)
It was the failure of the trusses, caused by both the hear and the failure of the outer columns, that caused the collapse...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#217. To: lucysmom (#213)
Im sure I don't have to tell you that Im not a structural engineer, and I strongly suspect you are not an engineer either; that puts both of us in the position of having to rely on the expertise of others, not only for information, but also for analysis. I am still curious to know why your choose to believe the government blew up the WTC buildings.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#218. To: FormerLurker (#216)
Again, the UNDAMAGED sections of the towers had absolutely NO reason to totally fail...
#219. To: FormerLurker (#217)
And again, buildings don't collapse into their own footprint at free fall speeds unless they've been deliberately demolished with explosives.
#220. To: war (#218)
The undamaged sections didn't fail.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#221. To: war (#219)
Good thing that they didn't then.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#222. To: FormerLurker (#217)
And BTW, I AM an engineer.
#223. To: FormerLurker (#216)
And you're being absolutely idiotic if you think office fires can weaken steel to the point of failure used in the construction of skyscrapers.
#224. To: lucysmom (#222)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#225. To: FormerLurker (#221)
Contrary to your claims, WTC 7 DID fall at free fall speed, and WTC 1 & 2 dropped at a rate VERY CLOSE to free fall speed.
#226. To: war (#223)
Also note that the ENTIRE face of exterior support columns have have been wiped ou.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#227. To: FormerLurker (#221)
#228. To: war (#225)
No they didn't...
[This is a reposting of this video which was taken down from the original site, originally posted in August 2008 just after the release of the final draft of the NIST WTC7 Report, prior to the final version which was altered to admit a 2.25 second period of freefall.] This video tracks the motion of the NW corner of Building 7 of the World Trade Center on 9/11 2001. The building was in freefall for a period of ~2.5 seconds. This means it was falling through itself for over 100 feet with zero resistance, an impossibility in any natural scenario. This period of freefall is solid evidence that explosives had to be used to bring the building down. In the final draft for public comment (August 2008) NIST denied that WTC7 fell at freefall. In the final report in Nov 2008 they reversed themselves and admitted freefall, but denied its obvious significance. ----- [The WTC7 series has elicited a number of questions from people unclear on the details of how I did the measurements, compared to how NIST did them and how the representatives of NIST described their measurements. I have therefore created a WTC7 Measurement FAQ page: http://www.911speakout.org/WTC7- Measurement-FAQ.pdf ... . I will also use this FAQ as a place of reference for other questions that arise as well.]
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#229. To: war (#227)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#230. To: FormerLurker (#226)
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This fire in Madrid burnt for approximately 24 hours, yet the building did not collapse.
Looks like it's made mostly of concrete...where's the steel?
#231. To: FormerLurker (#229)
If there is free fall during ANY part of the collapse, then the building is dropping through an empty void caused by explosives.
#232. To: FormerLurker (#228)
From above video link;
#233. To: FormerLurker (#220)
Oh no? So they're still standing there and there was no total collapse?
#234. To: war (#233)
Please stay on the topic...the issue is what was damaged by the impact and then further compromised by the fires that resulted in the failure and collapse of the entire building...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#235. To: war (#232)
...which has been debunked because it does not show the entire collapse...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#236. To: FormerLurker (#224)
I studied electronics early in my life, then physics, then applied those fields to various software development roles.
#237. To: war (#230)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#238. To: lucysmom (#236)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#239. To: FormerLurker (#235)
What part of "if it is in FREEFALL DURING ANY PART OF THE COLLAPSE, THEN EXPLOSIVES WERE USED" do you fail to comprehend?
#240. To: war, Former Lurker (#233)
These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.
Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.
The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening.
The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important.
The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that’s OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping.
NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7′s collapse, but that’s OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would “jeopardize public safety".
The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but that’s OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.
This man never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy of your attention, and if you say otherwise you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all of humanity. Likewise him, him, him, and her. (and her and her and him).
Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn’t recorded on video, in which he didn’t resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.
This is the story of 9/11, brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about JFK and incubator babies and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch.
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oh and BTW...... at least 7 of the 19 alleged "hijackers" are still alive and well...
#241. To: lucysmom (#239)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#242. To: Bill D Berger (#240)
oh and BTW...... at least 7 of the 19 alleged "hijackers" are still alive and well...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#243. To: Bill D Berger (#240)
#244. To: FormerLurker, War, Government Fairy-tale Cultists (#216)
[WTC 2] aircraft impact. Mr McNally said in his second phone call "Liz, this was a terrorist attack. I can hear explosions below me." [NY Times]
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#245. To: FormerLurker (#242)
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oh and BTW...... at least 7 of the 19 alleged "hijackers" are still alive and well...
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