Rebekah Roth has, in my opinion, blown the lid off of the lies surrounding the events on 9/11. Facts which are outlined in her recently released book, Methodical Illusion; a book, as of this writing, that is #1 on the Amazon Best Seller List for its category.--NorthWestLibertyNews
Poster Comment:
Roth’s research reveals ALL of the 911 cell phone calls from the passengers to their families and friends were actually made on the ground after the 4 planes landed at a remote military airfield and listen to what her research reveals about passenger 9B. This is a must listen. I agree with NorthWestLibertyNews's opinion that Rebekah has blown the lid off the 9/11 lies.
A) Because there's smoke and flames doesn't mean you have temperatures reaching anything close to that necessary to weaken steel.
B) The fires were practically out prior to the collapse of both towers. One indication of such is that they were spewing BLACK smoke at that time, indicating a very low intensity smouldering fire which was starved of oxygen.
C) There were people who survived who were ON the impacted floors, and those you see in the windows were unfortunate enough to be on the wrong side of the fire where they couldn't make it to the stairs.
So do you get a bonus if you spin enough lies in a day's time?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
and the *small* office fires nonsense isn't going to cut it
BTW slickster, I never said they were SMALL. I said they were OFFICE FIRES, ie. they were not chemical fires which might have reached temperatures needed to weaken steel.
There was an OFFICE FIRE in one of the towers which lasted for HOURS, yet temperatures were not hot enough to weaken the steel holding the building together.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Because there's smoke and flames doesn't mean you have temperatures reaching anything close to that necessary to weaken steel.
What does thick black, sooty smoke mean?
The fires were practically out prior to the collapse of both towers. One indication of such is that they were spewing BLACK smoke at that time, indicating a very low intensity smouldering fire which was starved of oxygen.
Everything that you stated is BS.
The fires were in no way nearly out. THICK black smoke is an indication of a fire that is both widespread and has plenty of fuel.
There were people who survived who were ON the impacted floors, and those you see in the windows were unfortunate enough to be on the wrong side of the fire where they couldn't make it to the stairs
What stairs? The stairs were gone on the *impacted* floors.
The fires were in no way nearly out. THICK black smoke is an indication of a fire that is both widespread and has plenty of fuel.
As far as the color of the smoke, it can mean many things, but it's not a reliable indicator of anything these days since synthetic materials produce black smoke when they burn.
As far as evidence of the fires being almost out, apparently YouTube has deleted a live interview on 9/11 with a Fox reporter and a fire official who stated the fires were almost out at the South Tower.
So when you have the power to erase evidence, I suppose any story you want to tell contrary to truth is believable.
As far as your claim the "stairs" were "gone", people survived on floors ABOVE the impact area and escaped from the South Tower.
When American Airlines Flight 11 struck the North Tower, Praimnath started to evacuate from his 81st floor office in the South Tower, but he returned when the building's security guards said the South Tower was secure, and workers should return to their offices. He did not realize, at that point, that a plane had struck the North Tower. Soon after reentering his office, he saw United Airlines Flight 175 heading directly towards him. Right before impact, he dove under his desk and exclaimed, "Lord, I can't do this! You take over!" The left wing sliced through his office and became lodged in a door twenty feet from him. [1] Praimnath was bruised and covered in debris after the crash which left him stuck and unable to escape on his own.
While Praimnath screamed for someone to come help him, Euro Brokers executive Brian Clark from the 84th floor and a group of his coworkers were debating in the stairwell whether to descend through the impact zone using the stairwell, which they had been told was impassable, or to climb to the roof. While Clark listened to his coworkers debating this, his attention shifted when he could hear Praimnath's faint screams for help. Clark made his way to Praimnath by using his flashlight and by following Praimnath's voice. As Clark was on his way to find Praimnath, he quickly turned back towards his coworkers and saw they had decided to climb up the stairs instead of going down. (Consequently, all of Clark's coworkers were killed.)
Once Clark had found Praimnath, he could see there was a wall between them that managed to stay in place after impact. Clark instructed Praimnath that Praimnath's only option was to jump up and climb over the wall, which Praimnath didn't think he was able to do. On Praimnath's first attempt, he didn't make it and instead hit a piece of wood with a nail sticking out of it, piercing his hand in the process. Praimnath tried a couple more times to jump up and finally Clark, on the other side of the wall, was able to get his hands around Praimnath and help him get over the wall.
The two men made their way to the stairwell, which Clark had already been told was blocked further down. However, Clark and Praimnath wanted to see for themselves if the stairs were really impassable. They descended down the stairs, and while there was debris in some spots, the two men were able to get through it and continue down the stairs and out of the building. (They were two of only fourteen survivors from above the impact zone to survive the day from the South Tower.)
After the two men made it outside and had walked a couple blocks away from the South Tower, they stopped and looked back at the building they had just exited, and Praimnath said to Clark, "You know, I think that building can come down". Clark was in the midst of replying, "Those are steel structures, there's no way...", when he was cut off by the tower's starting to collapse. The two men had made it out of the tower only moments before it fell.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
So what sort of bizzaro world do you live in war where fire is not hot enough to burn a human being, but hot enough to weaken steel to a point of structural failure?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
And, later it became public that while all of America had been grounded (no air flights) 100 or more Bin Ladens were flown out of the country.
That turns out to not be true.
According to National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the "9/11 Commission")
…we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001. To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.
I don't know if the city of new york is part of the 911 conspiracy, but an amusing sidenote is that New York City visits my website for years, including multiple times just yesterday. & my site is a 9/11 zionist conspiracy site. They also read my stuff about bill bratton the degenerate freemason regularly, along with NYPD precincts throughout the state.
So poster war may not be a so called conspiracy theorist, but all the government establishments he defends apparently are. ;-)
ha!!
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
There was an OFFICE FIRE in one of the towers which lasted for HOURS, yet temperatures were not hot enough to weaken the steel holding the building together.
Because the steel was not directly exposed to the heat of the fires nor were any supporting columns blasted out...
So what sort of bizzaro world do you live in war where fire is not hot enough to burn a human being, but hot enough to weaken steel to a point of structural failure?
In what bizzaro world do you live in wherein humans do not try to get away from fire that is capable of burning them...?
As far as evidence of the fires being almost out, apparently YouTube has deleted a live interview on 9/11 with a Fox reporter and a fire official who stated the fires were almost out at the South Tower.
Your offering as evidence something that you admit does not exist.
The nonsense that the *fires* were nearly *out* is based upon the reports of two fireman who reached floors well below the impact zone and reported that there were *small;* fires there.
I know what my own eyes saw and what plenty of video evidence that ACTUALLY exists on Youtube and that's the fact that fires in both buildings were raging out of control.
Kerosene (jet fuel) was spent within the first several minutes; paper, wood, and assorted office furniture doesn't burn hot enough to weaken steel.
Bzzzt, sorry you lose, try again.
I hadn't seen "war's" comment regarding the jet fuel because I bozo'd the idiot !
It seems the shills are marching into 4UM from somewhere all of a sudden. I don't mind entertaining an idea at variance with my own unless it's ridiculous. These characters, lucysmom and war seem to be conjoined twins from zio-nazi-ville.
"We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain".
• One stairway in the south tower remained open above the crash, but few used it to escape. Stairway A, one of three, was unobstructed from top to bottom. The jet crashed into the 78th through 84th floors of the south tower. A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. Others went up these stairs in search of a helicopter rescue that wasn't possible because of heavy smoke on the rooftop.
So obviously there was NO raging fire hot enough to weaken steel if people were able to escape through the stairwell from above the impact zone.
Why can't you simply admit that you have no idea what you're talking about?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
It seems the shills are marching into 4UM from somewhere all of a sudden. I don't mind entertaining an idea at variance with my own unless it's ridiculous. These characters, lucysmom and war seem to be conjoined twins from zio-nazi-ville
They certainly do appear to work as a team. Hmmmmm.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
In what bizzaro world do you live in wherein humans do not try to get away from fire that is capable of burning them...?
You're saying that the fires were so hot they could weaken steel, yet people were able to walk through the area of those alleged raging fires without getting burnt.
So you're trying to say that humans are more resistant to heat than hardened structural steel, eh?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Your offering as evidence something that you admit does not exist.
The evidence DID in fact exist until your team destroyed it, ie. YouTube was forced (by government or corporate pressure) to delete the video from its site.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
You're saying that the fires were so hot they could weaken steel, yet people were able to walk through the area of those alleged raging fires without getting burnt.
The evidence DID in fact exist until your team destroyed it, ie. YouTube was forced (by government or corporate pressure) to delete the video from its site.
Right along with the missing LBJ six shooter to Kennedy's head footage...
You're saying that the fires were so hot they could weaken steel, yet people were able to walk through the area of those alleged raging fires without getting burnt.
At 8.46am and 26 seconds it hit the building, and the tip of the wing hit the offices about 70ft above him. The impact of the Boeing 767 ripped a path across floors 94 to 98, shredding steel columns, crushing filing-cabinets and computer- laden desks and ripping out bundles of cables.
The plane's 10,000 gallons of fuel incinerated everything in its path as the fireball ignited. Dozens were killed instantly.
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From the 91st floor upwards, it is believed no one got out alive, even though as many as 1,100 may have survived the initial crash.
Either they would have been burned or smothered by smoke as the inferno swept through the building, or they would have been forced by the unbearable heat to jump, or else perished as the tower collapsed.
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Mr. Nicholls had spent several minutes search for the stairwell, which he still could not find. He was not sure what to do. "These two guys came over. They were trying to figure out, because the fire was getting so badWe knew we had to get out of there."
"The fire was not too far from us. We were watching it burn. It was decided between these two guys, one of them said, `Lets go back over to the other side where they came from.' He thought that might be the best way to get down." The other guy said "No, I don't think so, I think there is a stairway over here. At this point it was getting very smoky."
At 8.46am and 26 seconds it hit the building, and the tip of the wing hit the offices about 70ft above him. The impact of the Boeing 767 ripped a path across floors 94 to 98, shredding steel columns, crushing filing-cabinets and computer- laden desks and ripping out bundles of cables.
Hey genius, do you know the difference between North and South? I was referrring to the South Tower, and you are playing as if you don't know that by posting news clips about the North Tower.
Are you REALLY that dumb?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
So you're saying that the survivors who escaped from above the South Tower impact zone are liars, and they weren't really there?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Hey genius, do you know the difference between North and South? I was referrring (sic) to the South Tower, and you are playing as if you don't know that by posting news clips about the North Tower.
So, the North Tower fell on its own but the South Tower was controlled demolition.
Right along with the missing LBJ six shooter to Kennedy's head footage...
There were a multitude of web sites which linked and/or embedded the video, but when attempting to view it a message is displayed saying that the video no longer exists.
It's becoming more and more obvious that you have no interest in what truly happened, it's your mission in life to obscure the truth and ridicule those who do in fact see things for what they truly are.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
If they travelled down the stairs THROUGH the area you claim was engulfed in a raging fire, then it's obvious that there WAS no raging fire there.
Are you too dense to understand that?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
There were a multitude of web sites which linked and/or embedded the video, but when attempting to view it a message is displayed saying that the video no longer exists.
So, the North Tower fell on its own but the South Tower was controlled demolition.
Er, no. I'm not going to play your game of confusing one set of facts in terms of survivors from the SOUTH TOWER with your cherry picked tales about the North Tower.
I'm simply addressing your ridiculous claims about how office fires which burnt for less than an hour were capable of heating steel to the point of structural failure.
NO object, I don't care WHAT it is, will travel through the path of MOST resistance, nor will it fall through ANY path which has mass in its way, at free fall speed or anything close to it.
But to simple minds such as yours, that believes in the impossible because the government said so, well, I guess there's just no hope in you ever seeing things for what they are.
Unless you're just pretending to be dumb of course. Because if you WERE intelligent enough to know better, then that would mean you are actively participating in a criminal enterprise which murdered 3000 people, plus a LOT more if you count the bogus wars that killed over a million innocent people.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Already did, twice. You claim that the impacted floors were engulfed in a raging inferno, yet people were able to travel down the stairwell THROUGH those impacted floors, so there was obviously no raging inferno engulfing those floors.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Just cementing the fact that war is not here in search of truth. He's here to discredit those who are, and to spread disinformation.
Sort of what BAC (and cohorts) used to do back on ElPee.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
But to simple minds such as yours, that believes in the impossible
You *think* it's impossible that planes were hijacked at knifepoint and then flown in to buildings and that the initial impact and explosion caused significant damage...you further believe that it is impossible for the significant amount of materials in those offices to catch fire in any significant way.
Instead, you believe that it's possible that an unknown number of personal *snuck* in to three WTC buildings and planted devices that were capable of not causing the buildings to collapse...and to cover this up...4 airliners were somehow, you don't know how, commandeered, flown to a remote location and the passengers...well...you don't know what happened to them...meanwhile...real time conversations between the planes and people and places on the ground were simulated as soon as those flights were commandeered...those planes were then replaced by mockups and flown in to three buildings while one augured in, for some unexplained reason, near Somerset, PA...after they were flown in to the buildings and the numerous accounts, both eyewitness and video, of fires raging, are nothing more than disinformation...and that at some specified times...one of those over 6 hours later...the buildings were blown up...
You *think* it's impossible that planes were hijacked at knifepoint and then flown in to buildings and that the initial impact and explosion caused significant damage...you further believe that it is impossible for the significant amount of materials in those offices to catch fire in any significant way.
I KNOW it is impossible for structural steel to weaken to the point of failure due to low grade office fires.
I KNOW it is impossible for structures to fall into their own footprint at free fall speed UNLESS there are explosives involved in their demolotion.
There are MANY other things which don't add up, but I don't have all day to write a 50 page essay of what is OBVIOUSLY impossible in terms of the events of 9/11.
That you choose to obfuscuate the truth and dance around it, illustrates what your mission is here.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Already did, twice. You claim that the impacted floors were engulfed in a raging inferno, yet people were able to travel down the stairwell THROUGH those impacted floors
Again, can you please refer me to the post where I so stated?